English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:10

@Mitch Shit you were thinking of a film, weren't you? I meant the poema.

Robusto

00:33

This is what @Mitch was thinking of:

Ferdinand the Bull - full short film

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Why The Hobbit Sucks

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Mitch

@Robusto You flatter me in expectation that I might actually have thoughts

Robusto

^_^

Mitch

but yeah I don't bulls really want to kill anybody... but a good trampling or a goring here and there are pretty satisfying.

I mean it must come as s shock to the bull that this dude in the goofy cape that he keeps flouncing around.. god is that annoying... mother f***er he has how many swords?

@tchrist there's a poem about the afternoon? seems a bit pedestrian

Robusto

@Mitch The "bull in a china shop" trope has been proven false, btw.

Mitch

like 'ode to a glass of water'

or 'elegy on the death of an old person'

Robusto

00:45

MythBusters - Bull in a China Shop | Top 25 Moments

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tchrist

@Mitch Watch this whole thing, and it may well alter that particular opinion of yours.

Mitch

@tchrist or Is there a version that is 2 minutes long?

or 1 minute?

1 minute would be great/

tchrist

I cannot possibly compress it into something succinct that conveys how very painfully sad and summarily tragic it all was.

Mitch

30 seconds. and that's my last offer

tchrist

Ni pensar.

Don't bother if you have to struggle with the language. But if it flows over you where every word is obvious and you stop thinking about words and start absorbing ideas, then you should listen to it. I studied under one of Vicente Aleixandre’s closest confidants for a year, yet I never learned 5% of this.

Mitch

00:53

@Robusto Oh animals.

tchrist

The speaker is from Madrid. That's the "no accent" version of Spanish for me.

Language, like physics, is easiest in the reference frame where everything zeroes out.

tchrist

01:10

Look, even native speakers are puzzled by using "will have VERBed" which seems to be in the future but is not, not really, to mean that you're sure this did VERB!

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Q: "Terei eu...." Como explicar o uso do futuro do presente para nos referirmos a um evento passado?

Intriga-me o uso do futuro do presente em frases do tipo: Terei eu ofendido alguém com minhas palavras? Terei eu esquecido de trancar a porta? Teremos nós cometido alguma infração quando excedemos os cem quilômetros por hora? Como explicar esse uso?

tempo-verbal

(Warning: Brazilian usually forms compound tenses with ter not with haver as they would be in Spanish or in Portugal.)

Robusto

@tchrist: This woman in a video says, "Después de algunos minutos andando en bus, llegamos a nuestro destino." I don't know how to understand "walking on the bus" or "walking by bus" ...

Maybe it just means "going by bus" ...

tchrist

@Robusto Yes.

Robusto

Why not use ir in that case?

tchrist

Because it's New World Spanish? :) No, but they do use andar more often than comes immediately to my own tongue.

Robusto

Hmm.

tchrist

01:15

Think Mexican ándale to mean go on, hurry up, get moving.

Robusto

True. I forgot about that.

I kind of thought of it as a frozen phrase.

tchrist

It is. But it had to have come from somewhere.

Robusto

makes notes

tchrist

Andar can mean walking, too. It's a bit general purpose for verbs of motion. It's one of the components of the suppletive forms for "go" in other Romance languages. Think French aller: je vais, tu vas but j’irai in the future and j’allais in the imperfect or j’allai in the preterite.

Robusto

Yeah, it just has that "walking" feel to me. Maybe I'm just running it through my andante music tempo filter.

tchrist

01:26

So there you see that French uses three totally different stems to compose one highly irregular verb.

So the present, and the future and the conditional, use the same pair of suppletive stems as Spanish uses, but the imperfect and preterite do not.

But only the singular present.

Nous allons

Now you get the other stem.

Ain't French fun? :)

Mitch

doesn't. andar have a use as sort of a marker of continuous aspect?

tchrist

@Mitch YES!

It's used to form progressives by combining with the gerund.

Mitch

i mean ENglish has 'keep' and 'stop'

tchrist

Sigue escribiendo = keep writing

You can do that with anda also.

Mitch

siempre sig...spmething

tchrist

01:31

There are a bunch of these that Spanish uses for expressive progressives, not just am eating or goes chattering and such the way English does.

Vino corriendo = he came running.

NOT running wine. :)

You can't use a gerund as a participle.

Robusto

Schubert: Trio Op. 100 - Andante con moto. Freivogel, Tomkins & Zivian 4K UHD

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tchrist

"corriente" is more the participle, but it is not a productive inflection the way the gerund is.

Robusto

One of my favorite andantes.

tchrist

@Robusto For fair reason.

And a lot of the historical participles have become nouns not adjectives any longer. Think hablante for speaker.

> El gerundio es una forma impersonal del verbo que recibe su referencia temporal y personal del otro verbo conjugado con que se usa.

Juan está tocando el piano. (Juan toca.)
Los niños están durmiendo. (Los niños duermen.)
Los estudiantes estuvieron estudiando. (Los estudiantes estudian.)
Se aprende estudiando mucho. Se aprende. Se estudia.

Those are just with be. The others are more interesting.

> Hay otras perífrasis con los verbos seguir, continuar, empezar, acabar, llevar, venir, ir, andar, etc. que modifican las fases y el transcurso de este proceso aún más:

La construcción del centro es necesario para que los galeristas extranjeros sigan viniendo a Burgos.
El Gobierno español continúa viniendo a París a hacer su propaganda.
Es cierto, llevo seis años viniendo a esta isla y al mismo hotel.
La casa, construido de forma muy deficiente, poco a poco se iba viniendo abajo.
El partido se fue viniendo arriba con el paso de los minutos.

@Mitch Those are your progressives.

"empezó pidiendo" = started asking for

"Todo el día anda diciendo" = all day he keeps saying

"llevo seis años viniendo a esta isla" = I've been coming to this island for six years

"continúa viniendo" = keeps coming

These are all very expressive, and common.

Mitch

those all soound so ... understandable? but Englsh does similar

tchrist

01:44

Exactly.

Mitch

keep continue uh well sometimes exactly the translation

tchrist

@Robusto You mencioned why not ir. That one does have a "funny" gerund if you aren't used to Spanish spelling rules, doesn't it? :)

> El gerundio de ir (yendo) es regular. La razón por la cual se escribe con y- en vez de ie- es que ie- al principio de palabra siempre se escribe y-.

Robusto

@tchrist Yeah, I was just thinking about yendo, oddly enough.

tchrist

Like how you can't write *ierba for grass; it has to be written hierba or yerba.

Robusto

está yendo I see a lot.

tchrist

01:47

It's going. :)

Robusto

Sí.

tchrist

Or marchando etc.

Robusto

Él está yendo al fiesta con sus amigos

tchrist

Siendo gets used in progressive non-finite clauses a lot. Siendo joven, no tiene puta idea.

@Robusto That implies he's travelling there right now.

Robusto

Yeah, or that he´s out doing that.

tchrist

01:49

You wouldn't use it for the present-as-future.

Right.

¿Dónde está Marcos? Se ha ido a esa fiesta interminable con sus amiguitas.

Robusto

For present as future you would say Él va a ir a la fiesta con sus amigos.

tchrist

I mean just Él va a la fiesta = he's going to the party

Robusto

Ah OK

tchrist

You don't NEED a "going to go" version, but it's not wrong in any way. Just depends on your emphasis.

So the simpler form might end with "esta noche". He's going to the party tonight.

The "going to go" future might end with mañana.

You wouldn't normally use the formal future in speech, the irá a la fiesta version.

Robusto

Or Él irá a la fiesta con sus amigos.

Ha, jinx.

tchrist

01:54

That's a more formal version.

Robusto

Yeah, I hardly ever hear/see that.

tchrist

You'll see it in writing often enough.

I'm going to eat now VS I will eat now.

Voy a comer VS comeré

Robusto

Most of the regular spoken future seems to be the periphrastic construction.

tchrist

It very much is.

Robusto

This just in: Fox News cancels Lou Dobbs, its highest-rated show, effective immediately.

tchrist

01:59

Could not happen to a nicer guy.

in This Is Fine, 8 mins ago, by Tim Stone

> Hmmm... Boebert paid off nearly $20K in state tax liens in 2020. She had just reimbursed herself $20K for mileage that looked pretty fishy

I can't even.

She's worse than Greene in many ways.

@Robusto And he shall dwell in the house of Bill O’Reilly forevermore.

Robusto

Yes. It's getting so that there are more Fox personalities OFF the air than ON.

tchrist

Still upwards of 3500 new deaths today, or more. Deaths are not going down.

Robusto

@tchrist Over 5,000 today.

TOTAL DEATHS
454,209
+5,189 New Deaths

According to the CDC, which I trust more now that Trump isn't pissing on it.

tchrist

Where from?

Robusto

^^

covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days

tchrist

02:05

@Robusto He had Ivana the Younger edit their official statements.

Robusto

Yeah, geezis.

tchrist

Robusto

> "I'd rather not speculate out loud," Biden said when asked what he fears could happen if Trump continued to receive the briefings. "I just think that there is no need for him to have the -- the intelligence briefings. What value is giving him an intelligence briefing? What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?"

Well, he'd have to actually read it first, which I suspect he never did.

But he would be an espionage vector, certainly.

tchrist

He'd just give it Putang.

As a favor.

Robusto

Of course.

tchrist

02:08

He'll sell stuff. You know he will.

Robusto

> Former Trump Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence Sue Gordon wrote in a Washington Post op-ed following the insurrection at the US Capitol last month that Trump "might be unusually vulnerable to bad actors with ill intent" once he's out of office.

Gee, ya think?

tchrist

I can't tired of looking at that little guy perched on the finger.

Robusto

The littlest lizard?

tchrist

@Robusto Infinitely. Without bound.

@Robusto yes

Robusto

And I think that's a thumb, not a finger.

tchrist

02:10

They didn't think they could be that smalll.

It's an odd digit in any event. Notice the strange lack of halfmoons.

Robusto

It looks too stout to be a regular digit.

I don't think a warm-blooded creature could exist that small. It wouldn't be able to eat enough to keep itself warm.

tchrist

We didn't know land vertebrates could be that small.

Robusto

No voy a negarlo.

tchrist

Meet Brookesia nana.

Robusto

I guess the humongous genitals are an over-compensation for not having a larger body size?

tchrist

02:24

@Robusto Oh they fired him because of the $2.7B suit.

Robusto

That has to be it.

tchrist

@Robusto Hemipenes: “Take two, they’re small!”

Robusto

@tchrist Well, are Tucker and Sean next on the block? Hmmmm ....

tchrist

@Robusto For no discernible reason that pair seems not to have been named in the suit.

Post, Times

Robusto

Hmm, well, I never watch them so I don´t know if they were spewing that trash. Maybe there was so much trash going around they never got around to that.

tchrist

02:31

Trust me, I don't either. I'd've stroked out long ago.

Robusto

Verdad.

CowperKettle

06:26

CowperKettle

07:11

Treatment with convalescent plasma prompted covid to mutate: nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

Interesting.

CowperKettle

07:56

CowperKettle

08:41

It is raining outside

Very rare for February

It usually starts raining in April

CowperKettle

12:41

Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Hare Hare ))

Today is a good weather for singing, +1ºC

Gigili

That's such a classy portmanteau

note the hidden WOTD

Gigili

13:08

> Can I have tea in the bottom half of the mug, and coffee in the top half of the mug, please?

CowperKettle

The police in Yekaterinburg apprehended a 79-year old retiree. She stood with a sign saying that Navalny is a hero of our time. She is charged with violating the rules for pandemic self-isolation and for failing to wear a mask.

Had she been wearing a mask, she would have been charged for covering her face while taking part in a political activity. It's a catch-22. Several picketeers have been charged for this already.

I always wonder: don't these cops feel even an inkling of shame? They receive other people's taxes, and they are used like prostitutes, like whores by Vladimir Putin, to intimidate perfectly innocent people. At the same time, someone might be robbed on the next street.

Didn't their parents ever taught them dignity? How do they look in the mirror?

CowperKettle

13:52

Robusto

14:31

@CowperKettle Going to conquer England is what they're doing. More scenes from the Bayeux Tapestry.

Robusto

15:12

> Quantum mechanics does NOT allow you to send information faster than the speed of light.

Don't fall for quantum hype

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Once again, science writers fail us with their misinformed boosterism.

> Really, what do you expect from the Daily Mail?

tchrist

16:15

Because today is Saturday:

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A: Why do they use "received" in "received pronunciation" instead of "official pronunciation"?

‘Received things’ ≠ ‘Things received’ We don’t really use received as an attributive adjective in the sense of physical delivery and reception very often. For example, you don’t talk about received packages, but you can have packages received before noon with a participial phrase. However, what y...

user 85795

Because today is the Saturday before the SuperBowl:

Super Bowl LV

Super Bowl LV, the 55th Super Bowl and the 51st modern-era National Football League (NFL) championship game, will decide the league champion for the 2020 NFL season. The American Football Conference (AFC) champion Kansas City Chiefs will play the National Football Conference (NFC) champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The game is scheduled to be played on February 7, 2021, at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida. This will be the fifth Super Bowl hosted by the Tampa area and the third held at Raymond James Stadium. It will be the fourth time that the Super Bowl was in the same state in back-to-back...

😆

tchrist

This is all about that golden Trump toilet again isn’t it? I don’t know why he can’t just use a public bowling alley.

user 85795

16:34

> Sep. 15, 2019 — A solid gold toilet valued at US$6 million has been stolen from Britain's Blenheim Palace

💩

tchrist

Ave Tywin Lannister, merda plena.

Robusto

Why is everybody talking shit in here?

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user 85795

It's trash talking Saturday before the SB.

Robusto

I understand.

user 85795

After the game, we get to rub the losers nose in it.

🏈 ☠

Robusto

16:50

What if your team loses? Do you rub your own nose in it?

user 85795

yup, that would be the honourable thing to do

🏆‼️

Robusto

Changing the subject, I don't think you can ever completely trust anyone who isn't moved by music.

user 85795

that's a deep thought

Robusto

It was on my mind when I read that Trump never listened to music.

user 85795

right, makes sense in that context

Robusto

17:06

> The man that hath no music in himself, Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils; The motions of his spirit are dull as night, And his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Mark the music. —Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

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Also:

The Fugs - When the Mode of the Music Changes

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> You can have the men who make the laws
Give me the music makers

CowperKettle

cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/uk-novel-variant.html

New variant is 40-80% more transmissible

user 85795

:O

tchrist

> By far the commonest way of creating new words is to put old ones into new combinations, and close on three quarters of twentieth-century English neologisms originated in this way (double-glazing, dreadnought, dustbowl, Dutch elm disease).

One particular sort of compound has been highly characteristic of the post-1900 period: the blend. To create a blend, you concertina two words together, so that the end of the first merges into the start of the second: for example, motor + hotel becomes motel.

How disconcertinaing.

user 85795

do you disapprove of contractions, also?

Robusto

Aren't those just portmanteaux?

user 85795

17:16

linking and blending words is a natural way to simplify sentences

Robusto

bending + linking -> blinking

user 85795

lol

soo true

in conversation

Robusto

Shit, I meant to say "blending + linking -> blinking"

user 85795

np, I got your drift

tchrist

@user85795 I also disapprove of clavichording words together.

Robusto

17:22

Dec 5 '20 at 2:26, by Robusto

At this rate we will hit half a million deaths before a vaccine can stem the tide.

Looks like I underestimated the fallout.

tchrist

@Robusto Everyone always has, and does.

Robusto

At this rate, another couple of weeks are all it will take.

tchrist

Would should only be kazooed together, and only then if you're a holder of the sacred swazzle.

user 85795

is knuth a holder?

tchrist

Feb 9 '20 at 16:02, by tchrist

@Cerberus They are behaving as though it is much worse than the numbers they provide us with.

Feb 9 '20 at 16:07, by tchrist

14 more Americans with the virus. They're on one of the embargoed ships.

14!

user 85795

17:30

What a difference a year makes in a pandemic.

@CowperKettle 80% is huge

in terms of exponential growth

tchrist

@Robusto It was almost a year ago that I elsewhere wrote: Before this pandemic has run its course, millions of us shall have perished. Some will be people we will have heard of. Some will be people we have known. And some may be us.

user 85795

it's just getting stronger and stronger and STRONGER...

tchrist

@user85795 Does that mean the reproduction ratio would no longer be 3 but be 3 + .8 = 3.8, or does it mean that it would be 3 + .8 * 3 = 5.4?

user 85795

I would say 5.4, but I'm no expert

tchrist

Both jack up the deaths exponentially, but the effect is different. Still, both are horrible.

Robusto

17:42

@tchrist But not, unfortunately, the idiot whose selfishness and sloth caused this to be an out-of-control pandemic.

CowperKettle

tchrist

@Robusto I cannot absolve his enablers.

CowperKettle

I first knew tha Yuma existed when I watched the movie 3:10 to Yuma

I watched the old version first, then the modern one.

tchrist

Tucson lies south of Phoenix.

I'd have to check their respective altitudes, though.

CowperKettle

A nice Western movie, in both reincarnations.

Robusto

17:44

Biden has done more actual work (defined as action that benefits the United States) in the first couple weeks of his presidency than Trump did in his entire tenure.

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tchrist

Scammers will scam.

Robusto

@CowperKettle I think you mean "in both incarnations," unless you consider both movies to be reincarnations of Elmore Leonard's original novel.

tchrist

Some of his enablers have paid the ultimate price. See the momentary Speaker of the House in New Hampshire of this past election.

Robusto

BTW, I don't care for Phoenix, would never willingly set foot in Yuma, but Tucson is wonderful.

tchrist

@Robusto Yep.

Robusto

17:47

I normally visit Tucson at least once a year (in January, because it's fun to cycle bare-armed and -legged in the winter).

tchrist

People who ski in shorts never fall down either.

Robusto

Is that a fact?

There was a sudden warm spell one February in New Hampshire when I was up skiing at Waterville Valley. It was so warm that a couple of Asian girls decided to ski in their bikinis. The classic cynosure. They were about the only ones who didn't fall down or collide with someone else.

And here I get to use one of my favorite words: we were all gobsmacked at their audacity.

tchrist

@Robusto Alternatively.

Have we created any lasting new "Rosetta Stone"-type artifacts for future civilizations?

I can't imagine what SE site to ask that on.

Voyager doesn't count.

CowperKettle

tchrist

18:07

> In October 1919 [Gen. Yudenich] tried to capture Petrograd in a sudden assault with a force of around 20,000 men. The attack was well-executed, using night attacks and lightning cavalry maneuvers to turn the flanks of the defending Red Army. Yudenich also had six British tanks, which caused panic whenever they appeared.

But maybe this was that weird horseless cavalry I've heard of. :)

CowperKettle

In 1921, the Kronstadt Red Navy itself mutinied against the Bolsheviks, and tried to restore democracy, but it was already too late.

Kronstadt rebellion

The Kronstadt rebellion was a 1921 insurrection of Soviet sailors, soldiers and civilians against the Bolshevik government in the Russian SFSR port city of Kronstadt. Located on Kotlin Island in the Gulf of Finland, Kronstadt defended the former capital city, Petrograd, as the base of the Baltic Fleet. For sixteen days in March 1921, rebels in Kronstadt's naval fortress rose in opposition to the Soviet government they had helped to consolidate. It was the last major revolt against the Bolshevik regime on Russian territory during the Russian Civil War. Disappointed in the direction of the Bolshevik...

tchrist

It has been a brutal century in Russia.

CowperKettle

Ironically, the same sailors helped along to put Lenin on the throne in the first place.

tchrist

A man who has married and divorced five women may well wed a sixth, but history is the best predictor here.

Andrew Leach

18:23

@tchrist Divorced, beheaded died; divorced, beheaded, survived.

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Aye but he was a powerless old man of one-and-fifty by then.

Andrew Leach

Indeed. The effort of surviving the redoubtable Catherine Parr may have finished him off.

CowperKettle

19:05

> There is a 4:1 female predominance in dopa-responsive dystonia. Ichinose et al. (1994) found higher GTP cyclohydrolase I activities in males than in females, a possible explanation for the difference in frequency of the disorder.

So the male brain more easily produces BH4 and dopamine

M.A.R.

20:40

@CowperKettle HELL YEAH

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@CowperKettle Yeah it's a pretty bleak history to read

Mitch

@CowperKettle Unfortunately there is no evidence in either movie of how desirable or not it is to be in that particular town. Is the food good? Is the architecture particularly notable? Any remarkable sights, man-made or natural? How about entertainment?

In other words, I didn't get the point of the movie.

If you're gonna hang a rifle on the wall of a study in Act I, you better be using it in Act III.

If you're gonna put a city name in the title of your movie, you better damn well show me a skyline.

Anna Karenina - she's what it's all about

A Tale of Two Cities - it's about ... you guessed it... two cities

Things Fall Apart - there are definitely some things in there, and it doesn't go well for all of them so you can definitely say they fell apart.

M.A.R.

@Mitch No

It's about a tale

Very meta

@Mitch In all fairness, none of what happened in 3:10 to Yuma happened in Yuma

Mitch

20:56

The World According to Garp - OK this is where your post modernism is ruining things for everybody. Sure, It's all about Garp. But no, it is not Garp telling you about the world. It's some other unnamed dude telling you about Garp. That is not the world according to Garp.

M.A.R.

It's Garp according to the world

Mitch

Also, it's not really much about the world. Like where is the chapter on New Guinea? I think you see my point.

M.A.R.

Game of Thrones—misleading

Mitch

@M.A.R. No. That would be a pretty bizarre reading.

Unless...

It would be too outre to mention...

Unless you are reading it in a bizarre manner...

M.A.R.

Upside down

While the book is held right

Mitch

20:58

then it would be pleonastic to think it bizarre...

M.A.R.

So upside down times 2

Mitch

which is not a fault in and of itself...

M.A.R.

It's a TikTok challenge

Is the US still banning TikTok?

Mitch

@M.A.R. Point... made.

@M.A.R. Oh. Wow.

eyes opened

too bright

eyes closed again

M.A.R.

@Mitch Welcome to our humble little cult

We make space lasers

Mitch

21:01

@M.A.R. No. Tiktok is how we live and breathe still. I'm actually surprised that it is still banned in India. How do people tie their shoes in the morning without it?

M.A.R.

It's funny that there is finally a fully insane congresswoman and no alien plots are being revealed

I think they turned her into a lizard as well

All she does is yell at black people on Twitter

Mitch

@M.A.R. That would definitely account for the brightness.

M.A.R.

@Mitch First impressions matter

Mitch

@M.A.R. Oh... I don't think US congress people get that info.

Trump was the tell.

If the government knew about aliens, then Trump would have been informed, and then we'd all have been told on day one.

Ergo... there are no space aliens.

M.A.R.

Plot twist: Trump is how the aliens thought human leaders look like and he was testing the waters for an invasion

Mitch

21:02

It's almost depressing.

We are the ones who will destroy ourselves

Obviously with space lasers

M.A.R.

Look on the bright side

Mitch

@M.A.R. whatever gets votes

M.A.R.

It's not happening in several years at least

So we can still enjoy chocolate while we can

Hmmm, chocolate

Mitch

@M.A.R. Those aliens are really bad judges of character

They have the intelligence to travel light years to get here and then they flub the first meetup?

M.A.R.

Why would they be. They'll be invading, not judging

Trump took care of that

Mitch

21:05

@M.A.R. chocolate melted by space lasers doesn't sound half bad

@M.A.R. Clever

I only just heard that Kanye and Kim are... not just planning it... but already divorced

M.A.R.

Disappointing news: The aliens don't fit in a racial category

Mitch

That just puts a damper on a lot of things

M.A.R.

We can't use them to stop minorities from getting insurance

Mitch

@M.A.R. ARGH! HOW CAN WE RELATE TO THEM?

M.A.R.

@Mitch They uh,

How do I put this.

What stimulates them is similar.

To ours.

The only people benefitting from this would be graphic content artists

Unless they already are profiting from it

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A: Does drinking diluted chlorine dioxide (12mg/1L) protect against COVID-19?

DO NOT DRINK BLEACH! Chlorine dioxide is a type of bleach. The Blue Ridge Poisoning Center at University of Virginia Health put out a specific warning not to drink bleach. There is a lot of confusing, incomplete, and just plain inaccurate information circulating about how to prevent the COVID-19...

> I have a friend from Latin America, who I've recently learned is drinking a daily dosage of 12mg chlorine dioxide diluted in 1L of water as a protective means against COVID-19.

@Mitch The plan does sound smart for species that have achieved interstellar travel

Mitch

21:19

@M.A.R. I have a chat link for that.

tchrist

21:46

What's the best IPA for Llydrwydd?

Robusto