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00:22
@Mitch Yeah, it's hard.
Correction: we have 2% vaccinees.
<cringes>
00:58
@Mitch You called?
ping
Your tea is ready.
Is it ICMT?
01:15
@user85795 I answered that question just now. My opinion? Try as hard as you can, but some kids just don't like reading.
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Q: Terms of latin origin in plaintext in titles, or some way to italicize them for those who don't recognize them as such?

uhohI had in toto changed to "in total" in a question title with a comment that a spelling error was corrected, even though in toto appeared again in the restatement of the question in the body. How many politically appointed positions are there at NASA in total? Latin terms like in toto, in situ, i...

any thoughts?
@MetaEd You drink that enzyme?
@uhoh Good question.
You can either leave the Latin terms as they are and edit-war any uneducated correctors, or you could place asterisks around the the terms so as to mark them with wannabe italics (ugly).
Using [sic] would be somewhat silly and pedantic. And superfluous.
@MetaEd Hola!
Isaac Le Maire (c. 1558 in Tournai – September 20, 1624 in Egmond aan den Hoef) was a Walloon-born entrepreneur, investor, and a sizeable shareholder of the Dutch East India Company (VOC). He is best known for his constant strife with the VOC, which ultimately led to the discovery of Cape Horn. Isaac Le Maire was born in 1558 or 1559 in Tournai. He learned the trade from his merchant brother-in-law Jacques van de Walle. Isaac had four brothers, three of whom were merchants. Already in 1584 he was registered in Antwerp as a wealthy grocer. At the time, he was also captain of the company of the...
The first short-selling (link to section).
So far as I know.
01:28
@tchrist: This is interesting ^
For example, I didn't know that Mexican words ending in -te were of Náhuatl origin. For example, tecolote (owl). In European Spanish the word is búho.
@Robusto Of course it is. I don't even know the Nahaultl word. But I do know that words ending in -tl are Nahuatl. :)
Yeah, the -tl was transmogrified into -te.
Quetzalcoatl.
Popocatepetl (every Dutch city has one).
Some Meso-Americans syllabify A-tlán-ti-co because they have TL in the onset as well as in the coda.
You could do that in Latin as well.
01:35
@Cerberus Every Dutch city has a volcano?
Muta + liquida can together form the onset of a syllable.
@Cerberus Really? I thought that weirdness was only in Greek.
@Robusto A restaurant named after than particular one, yes.
Popocatépetl (Spanish pronunciation: [popokaˈtepetl] (listen); Nahuatl: Popōcatepētl Nahuatl pronunciation: [popoːkaˈtepeːt͡ɬ]) is an active stratovolcano, located in the states of Puebla, Morelos and Mexico, in central Mexico, and lies in the eastern half of the Trans-Mexican volcanic belt. At 5,426 m (17,802 ft) it is the second highest peak in Mexico, after Citlaltépetl (Pico de Orizaba) at 5,636 m (18,491 ft). It is linked to the twin volcano of Iztaccihuatl to the north by the high saddle known as the "Paso de Cortés". Izta-Popo Zoquiapan National Park, wherein the two volcanoes are located...
@tchrist I do not think that is possible in Greek!
01:36
@Cerberus Interesting.
The axolotl (; from Classical Nahuatl: āxōlōtl [aːˈʃoːloːtɬ] (listen)), Ambystoma mexicanum, also known as the Mexican walking fish, is a neotenic salamander related to the tiger salamander. Although colloquially known as a "walking fish", the axolotl is not a fish but an amphibian. The species was originally found in several lakes, such as Lake Xochimilco underlying Mexico City. Axolotls are unusual among amphibians in that they reach adulthood without undergoing metamorphosis. Instead of taking to the land, adults remain aquatic and gilled. Axolotls should not be confused with waterdogs, the...
Axalotl questions, Getsalotl answers.
Yes, that one, too.
@Cerberus Thanks! (those some of my favorite adjectives!)
@tchrist Are you Lauren?
From Catherine Tate.
Or...Vicky Pollard.
@Cerberus No, I'm Randy. My foster-brother is sleeping.
01:39
@uhoh Haha, oh, dear...
@tchrist Same pronunciation for you?
@Cerberus In English, Lorin and Lauren are homophones. Both have "long O". Of course in languages where you pronounce things as they're spelled, they are not.
I suppose so.
Though probably not in all possible dialects...
The name Laura in English sounds a bit like it would be "Lora" in Spanish, which means lady parrot. In contrast, Laura in Spanish sounds just like it's spelled so with the diphthong from "loud" but held a bit longer.
Yes.
We should have just thrown out all the Latin alphabet's vowels when we great vowel shifted into some parallel slant universe.
@Robusto I really don't know maybe two-thirds of those Mexican-only words. I only know the Spanish versions.
01:46
¿Qué onda, cabrón? is very Mexican-sounding.
You'd have sounded ever weirder!
This is the crude supplement to the video.
Sigh.
I do have smatterings of American slang because of knowing people from this hemisphere. The common ones everybody knows. But mostly I can only be crude-slangy in Ibrerian Spanish.
Hm, that's the Spanish sense of "American". :)
Meaning New-World.
BTW, Tom, your C-19 numbers seem to be dropping nicely.
Ours are dropping too, but not as fast.
A dangerous isotope, no doubt.
14 is nothing.
02:09
@Robusto Much of the country's are going down. Hardly all though. I'm still not going inside still. My uncle the vaccine doc said just hold tight, it won't be long now (compared with how long it has been). I took that to mean don't give up and start doing stupid things.
A wise policy.
He's on two of the outside safety review boards for these covid vaccines. I trust him.
Because he gets to see ALL the trial data to make an FDA recommendation. Knows his stuff.
The US approval system is ... more rigorous? than the UK one.
I hope they crank out these vaccinations at a faster pace.
02:38
@tchrist What does he have to say about the variants?
@user85795 Dunno. Haven't asked. Talked to him yesterday, but only briefly.
@Robusto Everybody does. A variety of factors stand in the way.
First you need the doses to get to each state. Then each state's unique circumstances kick in.
We aren't good at getting it into arms either.
But I think we're still supply-limited not demand-limited.
Hmm, NM is doing well, comparatively.
But it won't be doing really well till I and mine are vaccinated. ^_^
> Colorado ranks 13th in vaccine doses administered and has eighth-fewest new COVID-19 cases in the U.S.
@Robusto Of course.
02:45
@tchrist That looks pretty good.
Some rich guy in Canada flew to a Indian reservation to get vaccinated
I read about that, I think it was husband and wife?
@Cerberus It will take all year at the current rate. We need more vaccine.
@user85795 I saw that.
02:48
Casino CEO
@tchrist Still, you're going faster than we.
@Cerberus Scaled to population?
Production and injections will need to ramp up later.
@tchrist Yes.
You seem to be vaccinating about 0.4% daily.
Long ways to 100% at that pace.
You don't need 100%
02:50
But I realize most countries have it worse, often far worse.
@user85795 Unfortunately, we no longer know much.
true, true
The rate of transmission of the new variants changes all that.
Jumps us from a "let's try for 70%" to a "crap we better hit 85% ASAP"!
yeah, I was thinking about herd immunity
I think we're closer to 0.2% daily, perhaps.
+70% more contagious but no more lethal still doubles the deaths.
02:52
But it's ramping up. Slowly.
Already half of all new infections are of the British variant here.
Or so it is estimated.
At least we have plenty of vaccine doses lying around...
The Janssen vaccine appears to be 100% effective at preventing hospitalization and death, but rather less than that at preventing disease. That's ok: we do not require "sterilizing immunity" for this to work. It's like with annual flu boosters.
@Cerberus As apparently do we. It's a puzzle.
And even not getting sick after vaccination, you still may be a carrier, as can happen for those vaccinated against pertussis or polio.
@tchrist It does mean we will require a much larger proportion of the population to be vaccinated.
If people can still be infectious after vaccination.
@Cerberus I'm not surprised that it has come to this. The 95% efficacy of the mRNA vaccines was NOT expected.
We were planning on 50 to 70% and being happy with that. Which would require most people to get it.
Apparently, the MRNA technique works best for vaccines against this virus.
@Cerberus Right, it's a complete unknown.
02:57
I also believe it is a new technique. But it was highly promising.
@Cerberus Yes and no and yes.
It's been being worked on for like two decades now.
There have been trials.
But these are the first to win general-use approval.
Yeah.
Not new as in invented last year.
@Cerberus The "m" in mRNA should be lowercase btw :-)
For "messenger."
Yeah, I'm not sure I like that.
Why are the R and the N and the A not in lower case?
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A: Why is lower case used in front of a capitalized acronym (e.g. rDNA)?

Bryan KrauseIt's just a stylistic approach because "DNA" or "RNA" is an abbreviation by itself that has become a whole noun. Those terms clearly separate the modifier from the overall DNA/RNA. It makes it easier to read. Terms like DNA and RNA are almost always known just by those acronyms, whereas something...

03:02
Biochemistry 101
> It's just a stylistic approach because "DNA" or "RNA" is an abbreviation by itself that has become a whole noun. Those terms clearly separate the modifier from the overall DNA/RNA. It makes it easier to read. Terms like DNA and RNA are almost always known just by those acronyms, whereas something like mRNA is known both as "messenger RNA" and "'m' RNA" but almost never as "messenger ribonucleic acid."
> These letters are used to indicate the different types of RNA and DNA. Especially RNA has lots of (functionally) different variants, so this helps discerning between them.

Your examples in particular: - mRNA is short for messenger RNA - tRNA is short for transfer RNA - rDNA could be ribosomal or recombinant DNA (writing rDNA is very uncommon, mostly ssDNA or dsDNA are used)
The intersection of Biology and Chemistry has their own language :-)
@Cerberus I was making a very obscure internet protocol joke
Sorry, but I think its ugly.
It gets worse in pharmacology.
03:07
@MetaEd Oh, then I approve.
Sure, it initially looks ugly; but that's how naming goes in chemistry.
Sent your complaint to the IUPAC
I U PAC
they decided to keep the "A" from "and"
:-)
Beeeh.
03:24
They are like prefixes in chemical reactions that are constantly changing.
@user85795 Would that be to IANA or λIANA or IANAL?
@Cerberus Notice the first letter in ʟ-DOPA and in ᴅ-DOPA is in lowercase. Does that bother you? :)
Kind of, yes.
Not called small capitals?
Sure they are.
But the small capitals are lowercase not uppercase!!!!!
mac(tchrist)% uniprops -ga 1D05
U+1D05 ‹ᴅ› \N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL D}
    \w \pL \p{LC} \p{L_} \p{L&} \p{Ll}
    All Alnum X_POSIX_Alnum Alpha X_POSIX_Alpha Alphabetic Any Assigned
       ID_Continue Is_IDC InPhoneticExt Cased Cased_Letter LC Ll L Gr_Base
       Grapheme_Base Graph X_POSIX_Graph GrBase IDC ID_Start IDS Letter L_
       Latin Latn Lowercase_Letter Lower X_POSIX_Lower Lowercase
       Phonetic_Ext Phonetic_Extensions Print X_POSIX_Print Unicode Word
       X_POSIX_Word XID_Continue XIDC XID_Start XIDS
Isn't that MARVELOUS!? :)
OK OK.
03:29
It's of type General_Category=Lowercase_Letter.
Which is bizarre, but true according to the established axioms of unquestionability.
you can't question an axiom
What logical fallacy is that an example of?
Begging the question?
self-reference
Circular reasoning?
All of the above?
03:32
@user85795 axolotl questions
This sentence is false.
Axioms cannot be proven true or false. They simply are, and you use them to prove other things that are true given those axioms.
@tchrist Google says you are guilty of "congery".
@tchrist Indeed.
They need to be accepted by all participants, though.
@Cerberus Isn't that like cockles or cuckoldry?
You're probably replying to Ed.
And talking about conchery.
It's what eels do.
"My hovercraft is full of eels" is actually a rhetorical criticism.
Indeed they do, especially during the great congruity.
That's in the Congo, isn't it?
It's a cult there.
Which is why nobody can ever find it.
03:38
It was a trick question. The answer is "no, Congress."
A true school of congery if ever there was one.
@MetaEd This is the realm of third-level magic-users.
For it is what conjurers do, or wish they could do.
Congress ... home of the magic missile?
Storm the Congress buildings!
We want vaccines.
:-)
too soon
 
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07:19
@M.A.R. Democracy doesn't really exist. But the thing that's referred to as democracy, parliaments, parties and voting in general elections, puts significant brakes on the nastier kinds of govts out there. While it still exists, of course. It basically blunts worse-case scenarios.
We're seeing this play out in India right now.
The current govt would clearly like nothing better than to turn India into a fascist dictatorship. They're more than halfway there. But as long as parliament, political parties, and regular voting still exist, they can't do everything they would like to.
The point is that if things get sufficiently bad, even voters will eventually notice. And vote against whoever is causing them problems.
Of course, "sufficiently" is not a well-defined term.
 
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08:27
@Robusto +1
08:46
> The researchers also found that direct patient care or care for COVID-19 patients was associated with lower vaccination intent. For example, 54% of direct care providers and 62% of noncare providers indicated they would take the vaccine if offered, compared with 52% of those who had provided care for COVID-19 patients vs. 61% of those who had not (P < .001).
One-third of doctors in the USA are unsure of whether they would like to get vaccinated.
 
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11:17
Is it correct to say:

"It is quite a long reading"

Meaning that reading the document will take considerable/long time.
@Hairi It is quite a long read. Possibly "It's quite long reading," but that would be less idiomatic.
What if someone has used a weird map projection and stretched out Berkshire?
Ooh, no. As if Reading wasn't already long enough to get through.
11:41
@AndrewLeach Thank you
Which one is correct?

- Currently we differentiate stories by file name
- Currently we differentiate between stories by file name
- None of the above?
I am writing official support email to a client and I want to be grammatically correct. But I rarely communicate with native speakers and I often do mistakes
And probably sound ridiculous
12:11
> - Currently we differentiate between stories by file name
@Hairi I think this is better.
"Currently we differentiate stories by file name" needs another object:
Verbal fluency tests are a kind of psychological test in which participants have to produce as many words as possible from a category in a given time (usually 60 seconds). This category can be semantic, including objects such as animals or fruits, or phonemic, including words beginning with a specified letter, such as p, for example. The semantic fluency test is sometimes described as the category fluency test or simply as "freelisting", while letter fluency is also referred to as phonemic test fluency. The COWAT (Controlled oral word association test) is the most employed phonemic variant. Although...
Interesting
A child may not differentiate between his imagination and the real world.
I am a native speaker, but not an expert.
"Currently we differentiate stories with file names from stories without file names.
...
@Conrado Thank you very much.
12:33
Silfra is a rift formed in the divergent tectonic boundary between the North American and Eurasian plates and is located in the Þingvallavatn Lake in the Þingvellir National Park in Iceland. == Formation == Silfra lies in the Þingvellir valley and within the Þingvellir National Park. The valley, and Silfra itself, were formed by the divergent tectonic drift of the Eurasian and North American plates. The plates drift about 2 cm (0.79 in) farther apart every year, building up tension between the plates and the earth mass above. This tension is relieved through periodic major earthquakes at ...
Cool. You can dive in this fissure and touch the North American plate with one hand, and the European plate with the other.
:D
I think it basically comes down to "you can say you are if you want."
It's been a while since I watched it
12:50
If the wizard had said "Damn, I hate cursive", he'd have been cursing cursive
> Russia’s flagship two-shot vaccine Sputnik V has shown 91.6 per cent efficacy against symptomatic Covid-19 in clinical trials, a Lancet peer review has confirmed, bringing the global total of vaccines whose efficacy is confirmed to be higher than 90 per cent to three.
https://www.ft.com/content/1180d24e-eeaf-4316-a507-3108bba52c28?shareType=nongift
that's good news, to be sure
> positive flu tests reported in December are a little less than one one-hundredth of all of those tallied in December 2019, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
 
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14:06
xenoglossophobia, that's a classy word.
I'll be using it from now on.
Hi, I suffered from xenoglossophobia for years
Then I joined ELU community
it only got worse and worse after that
looks like Louis CK got his hair dyed and then drank too much
or vice cersa
And then got into an arguement
And then?
someone took a photo
Looks more like an angry Republican conspiracy theorist.
And posted it on social media
And went viral
14:18
@CowperKettle There are multiple reasons for that. One is that very nearly all available nasopharyngeal swabs were commandeered for SARS-CoV-2 testing. Another is that the same interventions meant to stop that virus from spreading also stop influenza from spreading.
My county has zero influenza data this winter. Not that they're convinced there truly is no flu, just that they haven't been able to get any data on it from non-existent testing.
14:55
"stumped"? more like "was ignored by". meh.
I guess you can say "Trump declined to answer if he regretted lying." Don't get me wrong, I'd like it if Trump went to jail for what he has done, but cheap shots like this just make me cringe.
@MattE.Эллен ≆ "If he regretted lying, then Trump declined to answer."
indeed
which is kinda my point. Trump will never admit to lying. everyone who agrees with the reporter's PoV knows Trump won't admit anything, and everyone else doesn't think he has anything to admit. Grandstanding at its most pointless.
15:25
@MattE.Эллен Did you stop beating your wife?
Does your mother know you are a thief?
Based on true or false information, it is certainly not convenient to answer "yes".
And it is certainly inconvenient to answer "no".
But some people get their cherries from asking these questions all of the time.
And all people want to ask them sometimes.
I get my cherries from overseas
@Conrado I get loaded questions. and I guess a couple of month before the next election it's nice to remind people he's a liar.
And there is no "perfect black forest cake recipe", just try to find out where they get their cherries from
15:38
@Gigili makes note in factbook: "Gigili apparently lives in a gray-shaded spot on the cherry-production map"
from wikipedia somwhere
As you can see, cherries like the cool side of the temperate zones.
Apparently I live in the right place.
Cherry pie is the best.
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Mongolia must be too dry.
Or maybe the map-shader ran out of data.
It's a shrub that grows in N Dakota?
16:02
Cherries grow on trees.
Blueberries, on the other hand, grow on bushes.
Fruit is the plant kingdom's way of telling the animal kingdom, "Hey, let's all just get along."
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16:17
Sign on a Mexico City street ^
"You seem like an asshole blowing your horn. Traffic is the same for everybody. Take a breath."
@Robusto How did that note end up in the US with all the security and walls and whatnot
@Gigili That was in Mexico.
Yeah, but now it's in your laptop and you live in the US
Next you'll be telling me you don't use a laptop
I don't use a laptop.
Mid-tower PC ftw.
im ernst?
16:30
For realsies.
Makes note in factbook: "Robusto uses a mid-tower PC in earnest."
Wonders why the accent is on the last syllable in "Claxón".
@Conrado I use a desktop as well.
It's smaller than a mid-tower, though.
I don't get why people would handicap themselves by using a laptop as their main computer.
I've just always used a tower PC because it's more flexible and more powerful. Running VMs and today's video games (not to mention multiple monitors) is just easier and faster.
@Conrado If you spend another hour in this chat, you'll have to go buy a new factbook.
My current system has AMD 8-core CPU, 4 TB of M.2 storage, 32 GB RAM, 8 GB graphics card, dual 32" (0.8128 m) monitors, etc.
Try doing that on a laptop.
I'll grant that my system is not very portable.
16:40
Scribbles hastily in the margin of factbook page.
@Gigili :)
But I have to go now, back to work. Tootle-oo!
Oh, only 4 TB of PCIE storage.
Bye!
@Robusto Monitors is easy these days. I have two external monitors in addition to the laptop screen. The rest of the spec, yes (or no). That's more than a laptop case will accommodate. I have 1TB SSD and 5TB external.
Ciao!
I received a sentence like this:

"It will be about 20 000 - 30 000 additional pages, won't be it?"

Do native speakers say something like this
@AndrewLeach I threw my old 1.5 TB HD in the box just to transfer a lot of crap. I could have more storage, but that would be overkill at this point. Maybe at some point in the future.
16:50
@Hairi No.
@Hairi No. A native speaker would say "... won't it?" or "... won't it be?" but never "... won't be it?"
That should be, "..., won't it?".
Jinx
Could be a typo.
Everything is a typo.
16:52
The sender is not a native speaker. I guess he is a learner like me
@AndrewLeach That way your laptop screen counts as an extra monitor, and the rest is just like a desktop.
It doesnt sound correct to me, this is why I posted here
You could also use your laptop on-the-go
I don't get why people would handicap themselves by using a desktop as their main computer.
But how would i say something like this:

"There will not be any problem, right?"

I want to express uncertainty about my statement regarding future event
@Cerberus Does "coVID-19" look as ugly as "mRNA" to you?
16:57
@Gigili Yup. And external keyboard and mouse, so the experience isn't too bad. It's only an i7 processor but for what I use it for (and the portability), it's OK.
\o @AndrewLeach
17:22
@user85795 Yes.
yeah, me too
SARS-CoVID also actually
Downs-sides:
- Your hardware will be much less powerful than the desktop aequivalent.
AND/OR
- It is more expensive than the desktop variant.

- It is more difficult, or impossible, to add extra parts or upgrade parts.
- It is much more vulnerable. Small parts are more vulnerable; in addition, if you e.g. spill tea on your keyboard or bump against your screen, you could break your entire machine.
- It is more difficult, or impossible, to repair parts, because they are harder to come by, more expensive, soldered onto the motherboard, etc.
@Conrado It only takes one mention to make ABBA appear!
@Robusto @Gigili is silently judging you
@user85795 It's -just- like Wodehouse
Hear me out
Their music is very enjoyable.
But...
1) some incarnations of it are just so cringeworthy (eg the Mamma Mia movies).
2) that's it
ok maybe 3) The commercials on youtube are getting just as awful.
That's not ABBA's fault but they were there when it happened so I blame them.
17:40
I've quite YouTube because of those commercials.
I know, I know I can get ad blocking; but, why should I?
I could think of a reason.
nah, time management is more important
youtube can be a time sink
but
I get a lot of useful information from some of the videos
also
ABBA
wait
@user85795 You can adblock youtube ads? I thought ...
Aren't those ads added -inside- the videos?
I have heard people do.
18:26
Youtube has ads?
> In 1796, Pierre-Simon Laplace described in A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities the ways in which men calculated their probability of having sons: "I have seen men, ardently desirous of having a son, who could learn only with anxiety of the births of boys in the month when they expected to become fathers.
Where do you see those, on Facebook or something?
> Imagining that the ratio of these births to those of girls ought to be the same at the end of each month, they judged that the boys already born would render more probable the births next of girls."
@CowperKettle How clever.
I'm using Adblock Plus, and I do not find many ads on YouTube. Maybe I don't watch YouTube often enough
18:30
@CowperKettle same
18:44
Word of the evening: treecreeper
@tchrist They sort of appeared recently. The ad blocker I'm using doesn't seem to keep them out. Perhaps I should review my ad blocker choice.
@FaheemMitha arms race
@tchrist Those are always fun.
In Russia, YouTube Premium, without ads, is 200 rubles per month, which is USD 3 per month. Not very much if you watch it a lot.
19:24
@tchrist but, the armour slows down my machine, so I don't bother.
Instead, I just tailor my preferences to stay away from sites with a lot of advertising.
2 hours ago, by user 85795
I've quite YouTube because of those commercials.
Same goes for TV in general for me. Except the SB.
Elon Musk will launch SN9 in T - 0 hours 32 minutes!
@MartinHopf Niiice thnx for sharing
Frog committing suicide?
You're doing it wrong, little buddy.
19:45
perhaps, it's a Japanese frog
That's a poor attempt at harakiri. You're not supposed to stab yourself at the periphery of the torso.
@Gigili It's no handicap. I have a tablet and a smart phone. And if I ever really need a laptop I can use my wife's.
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