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12:07 AM
> Trump was ‘completely wrong’ to encourage supporters to storm Capitol, Boris Johnson says
When even Boris has had enough of your shit
 
12:22 AM
@M.A.R. She does look like your Iranian career woman next door.
 
12:56 AM
 
that guy is pretty famous
 
Insta-Meme
@RegDwigнt: Schau mal ^^
 
what happened with the furniture happy guy was carrying?
soccer game in europe
 
@JohanLarsson No clue.
 
it made an awesome pic
 
1:06 AM
@JohanLarsson Yeah, I wish all we had were football riots. You know, something that really matters.
 
1:20 AM
are you happy or not?
 
1:38 AM
> In light of recent events, Mexico has decided they will pay for the wall after all.
Trump Is Said to Have Discussed Pardoning Himself nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/trump-self-pardon.html
LOL
> President Trump has suggested to aides he wants to pardon himself in the final days of his presidency, according to two people with knowledge of the discussions, a move that would mark one of the most extraordinary and untested uses of presidential power in American history.
 
2:01 AM
tour de force
 
Wow Trump's recent video on Twitter is unusually non-Trump. At least the start of it.
I'm listening to it.
Probably he is afraid of jail
 
@CowperKettle Oh yeah.
My biggest question is whether he gets to keep his Secret Service detail when he goes to prison.
 
2:20 AM
More cabinet secretaries jumping ship so they don't have to say yay nor nay to the 25th.
Mrx McConnell, Ditsy BeVos.
Barr, maybe. Dunno there.
Kelly and Maddox would have voted for it.
And have said as much.
 
wut?
 
@tchrist Do you mean Kelly and Mattis?
 
@Robusto Yes.
 
Thought so.
 
2:27 AM
Completely spaced, thought I'd had enough calories and water to fix that.
 
NP
 
I've got Rachel Maddow running in the background. Too much crosstalk upstairs.
 
He is now trying to smarm his way out of this now, saying he sent out the National Guard immediately ... which we know is utter horseshit.
 
Yup, they couldn't reach secdef and pence isn't in the chain of command to fix it.
 
2:29 AM
ainnit jist
 
Remember they let those nazi jerks with semiautomatic weapons into the Michigan capitol.
Because they were white.
 
Yes. I remember that.
Also that the cops let that Illinois delinquent bring an AR-15, open-carry, to the Kenosha riot.
 
Can't understand ANY of that.
Nor can anyone I know, and I've talked to a lot of them about it. Family and friends alike.
 
2:36 AM
It all comes back to the Prime Directive: What Would Putin Do?™
 
3:27 AM
 
3:45 AM
> When he entered office four years ago, Republicans controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress; when he leaves, Democrats will hold all three. The last time that happened was 1892.
Which was a rather strange election, in that we elected the 22nd President of the United States to be the 24th President of the United States.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in answer (96): What is the meaning of "He's got his quiver full"? by user410811 on english.SE
 
4:09 AM
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Q: Why is the <th> in "posthumous" pronounced as <ch> (/tʃ/)

SphinxI have always pronounced the th in "posthumous" as if it was the "th" in think (/θ/) but when I searched it it was actually the ch /tʃ/: UK: /ˈpɒs.tʃə.məs/ US: /ˈpɑːs.tʃə.məs/ I found a language log discussion but it has not explained: https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=43032

Wow
I always pronounced it as "post-humous"
Separating the letter t and "humous" (like "humor")
 
4:51 AM
@CowperKettle It doesn't really mean after people's corpses have been buried in the humus (=moist earth).
@Robusto Hilarity!
 
 
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6:57 AM
@Robusto I don't know what that was either. And I think Hitler cut a more plausible figure (in general).
The chaos that can be caused by electing the wrong people to supreme office is very surprising.
And by the wrong people I mean loathsome dirtbags. The thing that currently calls itself the Prime Minister of India comes to mind.
 
7:36 AM
> your best sexual partner during the Covid-19 pandemic is yourself or someone within your household
 
7:51 AM
Come to think of it, it's a marketing strategy for an official institution to use surprising risqué language to disseminate its message more widely.
 
8:32 AM
I have two cats in my household
But they are not in my taste
 
8:55 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at beginning of body, potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad keyword in body, +2 more (338): Keto Premiere UK Complete Keto Work and Weight loss Supplemet Or Fixing Your Body Shape by WraysJoy on english.SE
 
9:46 AM
It has gotten warmer. -15°C
The red sign on the store says "Monetka". It's hypocoristic for "coin". Moneta = coin. Monetka = little coin.
The store was previously named "Leninsky" (Lenin's)
Not "belonging to Lenin" but kind of "having a Leninist quality"
The main street is still called Lenin St., it's too expensive to change its name, because every dweller will have to make a change to their registration particulars in their passports. And every company and store would have to make corresponding changes in all kinds of documents.
 
@CowperKettle People change names in India all the time.
Often major changes.
Maybe they think changing the names will change other things. If so, they're wrong.
 
10:49 AM
Names of places, that is.
 
11:35 AM
@CowperKettle don't do it. Don't give me hope that justice will be served.
 
 
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1:57 PM
@CowperKettle With all due respect, but maybe you're not those cats' cup of tea either.
@tchrist I pronounce it as though it were 'after a ground chickpea meal'
 
@Mitch sexist
 
@tchrist If, by 'sex', you mean 'food', then I do!
 
The earthnuts will not thank you.
> < post-classical Latin posthumus, alteration (by folk-etymological association with either humus earth (see humus n.) or (as explained by Servius) humāre to bury (see humation n.)) of classical Latin postumus (adjective) last, last-born, born after the father's death, (noun) child born after the father's death (earliest attested as a personal name; < post after (see post- prefix) + -mus (see -mo suffix, -most suffix), as superlative corresponding to posterus later, next: see postero- comb. form) + -ous suffix.
 
Wait..is the last sentence starting "< post..." saying that an alternative etymology is "post - mus" with mus being the superlative suffix?
Separately, I always thought (or had been told) that chick peas were called chickpeas because 'pois chiches' because there are only 2 peas per pod which is 'chiche' or cheap/miserly/stingy. But that sounds like a folk etymology.
 
2:14 PM
@Færd As Woody Allen once said about masturbation, "It's sex with someone you love."
 
some etymology of chiche - CNRTL is -so dense. needs some formatting.
 
@Mitch Part of the idea expressed here is related to how Latin used -mus (in the nominative, -mo in the ablative) for certain ordinal numbers like primus, whence such English words as twelvemo n., sixteenmo n., eighteenmo n., twentyfourmo n., thirtytwomo n., etc.
So primo for firstborn.
> 1894 Amer. Dict. Printing & Bookmaking 548/1 Trigesimo-secundo, the bibliographical term for thirty-twomo; written shortly 32mo.
 
@tchrist But the first part of that gives a fully understandable etymology of 'post - humus'. Why do they then give an alternate parsing that mentions absolutely nothing related to internment and pretty much sounds like the etymology of a preposition?
 
@Mitch Because it was the Romans themselves who that particular folk etymology concocted. Ask @Cerberus
post + umus can be thought of as a lastmost form.
aftermost?
They started spelling it that way due to the folk etymology.
Thousands of years ago.
 
@tchrist which folk etymology? Ohhh.... got it. So really there was a bit of semantic drift: 'born after death' < 'last-born' < an actual kind of superlative preposition 'last-est'?
 
2:23 PM
Yes.
 
and all this before it was in English (late latin is sort of just 'European educated'
 
There's more precedent for -mus/mo superlatives in Latin too, especially the irregulars.
 
OK, now do 'chiche'
 
@tchrist There are parallels there with Japanese. It is quite common for Japanese parents to name their first boy Ichiro 一郎 (first son), the next one Jiro 二郎 (second son), third one Saburo 三郎, and so on.
 
Portuguese and Spanish preserve some of the odd Latin superlatives that don't end in -issimo/-ísimo; Portuguese has more of them. Here are some:
acre        > acérrimo
bom         > boníssimo ou ótimo
célebre     > celebérrimo
livre       > libérrimo
magro       > macérrimo ou magríssimo
mau         > péssimo
pequeno     > mínimo
pobre       > paupérrimo ou pobríssimo
preguiçoso  > pigérrimo
próspero    > prospérrimo
which is why "best" is "optimal" and "worst" is "pessimal".
and "biggest" is "maximal" and "smallest" is "minimal".
@Robusto Benjamin is traditionally the lastborn son, and can be used as a common noun with that sense.
> He's the benjamin of the family.
 
2:47 PM
And yes, magro is related to our meagre, which we took via Old French. It mostly means lean or skinny in Spanish and Portuguese.
Aspect matters; I would normally use flaco for skinny and delgado for slender.
 
@tchrist "It's all about the Benjamins."
More than 4,000 killed by the coronavirus in the US yesterday. Regrettably, another record.
In other news, Trump had to commit outright sedition to lose even a few Republican supporters enablers. Mitch McConnel even said his vote to confirm Biden was the most important of his career. Still, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes.
 
3:22 PM
@Robusto And tortoises.
I'd have written testudosque but I didn't want it to go to your head.
 
Nearly three deaths a minute now. Where will it end?
 
3:37 PM
Too bad my dad is against the Russian vaccine. I would wish to vaccinate him as soon as possible.
Better an untested vaccine than a tested virus.
 
4:02 PM
@CowperKettle Good luck with that.
 
> Henk Heithuis filed a criminal complaint against the friars of the boarding school at Harreveld. He accused them of having abused him sexually. The criminal complaint resulted in Henk being accused of having seduced the monks. Thereupon he was committed to a Roman Catholic psychiatric hospital. As part of his treatment he was castrated.
 
@CowperKettle Yeesh. When did this happen, and where?
 
Henk Heithuis (1935-1958) was a Dutch student of a Catholic boarding school and a victim of sexual abuse. == Life == Henk Heithuis was born a child of divorce and was from the first year of his life educated at orphanages and boarding schools in the southern Netherlands. The boarding school "Saint Vincent" in Harreveld was run by monks. There, he learned handycrafts in the years 1950-1953. == Sexual abuse == On 30 January 1956, Henk filed a criminal complaint against the friars of the boarding school at Harreveld. He accused them of having abused him sexually in the years 1951-1953, when he was...
> Heithuis died 28 October 1958 in a car accident. The police confiscated and destroyed all his personal possessions and his court documents on the day of his death.
 
@CowperKettle He died in a car crash, eh? Coincidence? I think not.
A classic case of blaming the victim.
 
4:17 PM
Maybe it is a hoax article? The "castration" part is especially medieval.
Okay, back to filing my tax returns
 
@CowperKettle I doubt it's a hoax. Too many cites.
@CowperKettle: Did you ever hear of the Henk Heithuis story? (See above.)
@CowperKettle: Sorry, I meant to ping @Cerberus.
@Cerberus: Did you ever hear of the Hank Heithuis story? (See above.)
 
4:51 PM
In the words of Stanley Kowalski. "Ha ha ha! Ha ha haaaaaaa!"
3
 
@Robusto Wait I don't believe this
It's impossible. Too good to be true.
 
@M.A.R. Peter Beaumont writes for the Guardian. I'm trying to locate this article now.
 
@Robusto Like a cornered Trumpster, my mind is looking for explanations to reject it.
We know the man to be very fickle, but I doubt his worshippers would be so
 
@M.A.R. They're getting their dopamine rush from discord, so why not?
 
@Robusto The question is, who are "they"?
 
4:59 PM
Maybe a couple of his supporters are disgruntled. But, hell, a woman got herself shot because of her deity. Trump mattered more to her than her life, or her husband and kid(s).
 
@Cerberus Trump supporters.
 
Currently, media tend to focus on the extreme statements of individual people or small minorities.
"They".
But in reality most Trumpist may still be quite supportive of him.
 
@Cerberus Whenever I see an internet thread full of Trumpsters brooding, I can tell some of them are just senior citizens that wouldn't ever really get to the point they would worship this man.
 
@Robusto No, it is new to me.
Pretty horrible.
 
And a very few are Republican voters with actual substantial arguments to rationalize their votes
 
5:01 PM
We should be glad to be living in more enlightened times.
Nobody in his right mind would want to go back to the fifties.
 
> Trump claimed on Thursday that he was “outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem” of the Capitol siege that he had incited.
 
Nor even the eighties.
 
But most of them . . .
 
Nor yet the noughties.
 
@Cerberus This is what I'm going for
 
5:01 PM
@Cerberus I sure wouldn't.
 
@M.A.R. Yes, that is another factor: what people say in far-flung corners of the Internet does not always reflect their behaviour in real life.
@Robusto Yay.
Never forget progress.
 
It's fortunate that the time arrow only moves in one direction.
 
Those who forget progress would throw it away unwittingly. They will be severely disappointed by the unromantic past, even by that of a decade or two ago.
@Robusto Some try to reverse it...
 
Yeah. "Make America great again" really means going back to Jim Crow, Depression, sweat shops, high infant mortality, death from typhus, diphtheria, smallpox, you name it.
 
Exactly.
It's OK to want to bring back some old things.
But never forget about the bad old things.
 
5:08 PM
The '50s brought us wonderful things like "Duck and Cover!"
 
5:32 PM
@Cerberus Thinking here of future generations who would shiver at the thought of life in our times.
Or maybe just your future generations thinking about you, their ancestors.
Supposing the arc of history doesn't get tangled too much.
 
@Cerberus REBUILD CARTHAGE!
I added the exclamation point because I think it needs just that extra touch of excitement.
@Robusto I think everybody, -everybody-, in the US knew that. maybe not consciously.
@Færd History doesn't really repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme a lot.
paraphrase of someone I'm sure
 
@Mitch Well, he did bring us great the viral pandemic, similar to 1918-20. So that is greatness of a sort, right?
 
@Færd But if only those in the Roman Republic could see what was coming.
 
His real legacy may be summed up in a slightly different slogan: "Make America hate again."
 
@Robusto What's galling, if galling is the right word, is that it took -that- to convince just a few extra people to vote against.
 
5:42 PM
I'd call it exasperating.
 
@Robusto not everybody hates. it's a larger proportion of the country than I had imagined. the haters are < 50%.
but in that subset are the ones with the guns
@Robusto Infuriating?
 
Lotta adjectives apply.
 
awful?
we could make up more
I feel like I over heard that he said "I'm sorry", so think pretty much everything is forgiven and we can go back to not caring.
@Robusto Oh also people are so concerned about the lack of leadership right now (for these couple weeks) and all the resignations and the White House workers/aides and such giving up and not coming in or just not doing anything because of the election troubles.
 
@Færd Those will come.
@Mitch An odd choice!
 
But I'm not -that- concerned because really, what were they doing before government wise? The corona massacre was all inaction by the WH
@Cerberus Ya gotta pick something.
do you have any better suggestions?
 
5:49 PM
Hmm.
Why not that one village on Rhodes?
 
6:05 PM
Frank Dikötter (; Chinese: 馮客; pinyin: Féng Kè) is a Dutch historian who specialises in modern China. Dikötter has been Chair Professor of Humanities at the University of Hong Kong since 2006. Before relocating to Hong Kong, he was Professor of the Modern History of China at the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London. == Work == Frank Dikötter is the author of The People's Trilogy, three books that document the impact of communism on the lives of ordinary people in China on the basis of new archival material. The first volume, titled Mao's Great Famine, won the 2011...
Downloading a book on China's revolution written by this guy
My tax return has been accepted. Fast and simple.
 
6:22 PM
@Cerberus Or maybe those who would wish they lived in their ancestors' time.
@Mitch Zackly.
> Only about 20 shipwrecks have been dated to as long ago as 500 bc. These were probably not Roman ships, and could well have been Carthaginian, for example. But then the number of Roman shipwrecks increases rapidly. Around the time of the birth of Christ, they reached a peak of 180...
Just as we can use shipwrecks and the Greenland ice cores to track the economic expansion of Rome during earlier periods, we can use them also to trace its decline. By ad 500 the peak of 180 ships was reduced to 20. As Rome declined, Mediterranean trade collapsed, and some scholars have even argued that it di
From Why Nations Fail. Nice book.
 
@Færd In some places, in some periods, they may wish that and be right.
 
@Cerberus OK. Sure. I'm just... I can't really drum up the excitement about that.
Wait.. which village? That could make a big difference.
 
@Mitch Oh, I don't know.
You're very excited about Carthage?
3
 
7:12 PM
@Cerberus I haven't been convinced that I should be otherwise.
What might have been.
sigh
@Cerberus But for comparison, people in the (checks notes, does calculations) 1880's would probably explode with joy at jumping to the 1950's
Anything else for me to be contrary about?
Cake. It's stupid
Speaking of which, cake was probably pretty bad in the 1880's. I mean they thought shortbread was something to look forward to.
Nowadays shortbread tastes like the bottom of a used beach towel, still being say on.
By that I mean as tasty as a mouthful of sand.
 
I would have been nearly dead and probably nearly blind in the 1950s. Diabetes, keratoconus, hypothyroidism.
Corneal transplantation was only started in 1941, and was quite rudely done compared with today.
 
7:33 PM
> "Huge swathes of people, in Europe and North America in particular, spend their entire working lives performing tasks they secretly believe do not really need to be performed" (David Graeber)
I came across his audiobook "Debt: The first 5000 years" and wonder if it's any good.
He is an anarchist.
 
@Mitch I doubt Trump has ever said "I'm sorry" in his life.
 
@Mitch Yes, probably.
Just as people in 1980 would rejoice if they got to live a 2020s life.
@CowperKettle "Bulshit jobs", I believe Graeber's term is.
@Mitch By the way, you sent me on a Wikipaedia clicking spree from which I have only now returned.
 
My friend is an anarchist, and when he speaks about anarchism it's hard to believe it's a grown-up man. Basically all state structures should be demolished, and everything will be fine, according to him.
If somebody commits a crime, people should just gather and decide his fate. Then, say, execute him, and disperse and go on with their lives. No judges, no courts, no nothing.
 
7:50 PM
@CowperKettle Anarchists are people who haven't thought things through well enough.
 
@CowperKettle I really do not think Graebers believes any of those things.
He is respected enough as an author about socio-economic issues.
> Tanit[1] was a Punic and Phoenician goddess, the chief deity of Ancient Carthage alongside her consort Baal-Hamon.[2][3] She was adopted by the Amazigh (Berber) people.
...
In modern-day Tunisian Arabic, it is customary to invoke Omek Tannou or Oumouk Tangou ('Mother Tannou' or 'Mother Tangou', depending on the region), in years of drought to bring rain.[5]
 
8:45 PM
Feb 7 '17 at 16:38, by Mitch
You're all welcome.
What on by the way? List of alternate histories where we'd all be better off?
@Robusto Everything else he says is made up bullshit entirely intended to get what he wants. So I'm surprised he doesn't just bullshit his way through an apology. He doesn't believe what he's saying for anything else, why would he take a big ego hit for that?
 
9:11 PM
@Mitch I began at Carthage, because I forgot to what extent we still have the ruins of pre-Roman Carthage.
Then I travelled all across the Mediterranean, Russia, America.
 
9:38 PM
A language is still spoken in central Russia which is related to languages in North America all the way down to northern Mexico.
 
9:51 PM
@Cerberus Some form of Athabascan?
@tchrist: A new record of coronavirus deaths every day now.
 
10:09 PM
@Robusto I believe so!
Na-Dene (; also Nadene, Na-Dené, Athabaskan–Eyak–Tlingit, Tlina–Dene) is a family of Native American languages that includes at least the Athabaskan languages, Eyak, and Tlingit languages. Haida was formerly included, but is now considered doubtful. By far the most widely spoken Na-Dene language today is Navajo. In February 2008, a proposal connecting Na-Dene (excluding Haida) to the Yeniseian languages of central Siberia into a Dené–Yeniseian family was published and well-received by a number of linguists. It was proposed in a 2014 paper that the Na-Dene languages of North America and the Yeniseian...
 
10:47 PM
> a straw poll of 33 chief executives this week, Yale School of Management professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld found unanimous support for the idea that companies should warn their lobbyists that they would no longer fund “election result deniers”.

“There’s not a major chief executive who’s a Trump supporter now,” Prof Sonnenfeld declared.
 
@Cerberus I picked Carthage out of hat. It just seemed like it had gotten a bad deal because everybody wanted it destroyed.
@Cerberus "they would no longer fund “election result deniers”."
wait...
that sounds like they were intentionally funding people -for- being election result deniers.
but it means really that they have chosen to not fund people that they've found out are election result deniers
 
11:06 PM
@Mitch Couldn't you have picked some boring subject instead?
I still have Wiki tabs open because of you.
@Mitch It does not sound like that to me?
It sounds like what you say it really means.
 
So Khamenei said today that buying American and British vaccines is "not allowed". Killing his subjects by decree.
> I told the government earlier, and now I'm saying it publicly: buying American and British vaccines is not allowed... They may be testing their vaccines on other nations.
 
Odd.
"Be testing"?
And does the Biotech vaccine count as German?
 
@Cerberus Yes.
I wish we get a chance to shout "fucking asshole" in his face some day.
 
So he thinks it is possible that they are in the process of testing their vaccines on people in other countries right now?
 
That's exactly what he said today in his televised speech.
 
11:21 PM
OK clear.
 
@Cerberus I don't know what goes on in his head.
 
At first I thought you might have meant, "They may test their vaccines on other people! Let them test their vaccines on other people!".
 
As in giving consent to them testing it?
I could've worded it better, maybe, then.
 
@Færd Yes.
@Færd No, you worded it correctly.
 
Okay.
 
11:25 PM
I just wanted to exclude any ambiguity.
Which was remote in this case.
 
@Robusto The end of all tweets has come at last. And Murkowski wants him to resign, and says she'll leave the party if they don't ditch him.
 
He has been banned from Twitter indefinitely?
 
In perpetuity.
 
Interesting.
 
Rather.
So not just indefinitely, but "permanently".
 
11:38 PM
Poor man.
> Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, the sole Republican to vote to convict the president last year on one article of impeachment, told reporters late Wednesday that "I think we've got to hold our breath" until Trump's out of office when asked his view of invoking the 25th Amendment. Asked whether Trump should be impeached, Romney said, "I think time is a little short for that."
 
I think because his account is permanently suspended, all his old tweets are invisible now.
 
I see.
I don't visit Twitter.
> But legal experts said prosecutors would probably find it difficult to charge Mr Trump and his associates for inciting the riot given the vagueness of their comments and strong US free speech protections. Similar hurdles would face any civil lawsuits.

A 1969 Supreme Court case involving the Ku Klux Klan created a test that requires prosecutors to show that a person’s comments were specific and likely to produce “imminent lawless action”. The court later said it is not enough for language to have a “tendency to lead to violence”.
FT
 
@Cerberus Me neither. Somebody told me.
 
Trump is dumb, but somehow smart at being vague enough not to make criminal utterances.
 
"Do me a favor."
"Find some votes."
 
11:45 PM
It would be nice if they could impeach him, so that he might never run for public office again.
But it seems impossible.
 
It's not "impossible", but as Romney said, time seems a little short for that.
 
Yeah.
Impossible, as in, not enough support amongst Republican parliamentarians.
 
I also don't know whether his resignation would halt that process.
 
Hmm.
 
@Cerberus All that matters is finding 16 Senators.
 
11:49 PM
I don't even know whether impeachment would truly prohibit him from holding a public office?
@tchrist "All".
 
Yes, it's a separate vote following conviction. But that one takes no more than a simple majority, so 50 senators plus madame VP.
Honestly, the easiest way would be for him to do the honorable thing.
But I don't know that they keep seppuku swords at the White House.
 
Impeachment is a separate vote from conviction?
 
No.
Impeachment means indictment.
 
Then what is "it"?
 
Once indicted by the House of the People, the Senate holds a trial on those charges, and if any of the Articles of Impeachment (again, read Indictment) are approved by a two-thirds majority, then he is immediately removed from office.
If he is so removed, then a separate following vote is held to forever disqualify him from the right to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
 
11:57 PM
Ah, I see.
 
And that second vote is the 50%+1. The first is two out of three.
 
Also 2/3?
Ah.
 
It's an abstruse area of American Constitutional Law.
It does happen, though. Just not usually to Presidents.
It can also be used on the Federal Judiciary.
Or any officer in the Executive Branch.
It cannot be used on the Legislative Branch, because no man can be a judge in his own case.
 

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