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tchrist

01:04

> Italy reported 7,332 new cases in 24 hours on Wednesday, exceeding its previous high of 6,557 on 21 March.

@Xanne Whoa, thanks.

Cerberus

01:48

@Færd You're either using a hybrid or you're afraid of children.

But, yeah, feet are generally not considered people's prettiest body part.

@tchrist ...fewer than we have.

We've gone into a new partial lock-down.

All cafés and restorants are closed.

Alcohol may not be sold after 20:00.

A maximum of three guests at home (though the constitutions prevents this from anything more than an urgent request).

Face masks are urgently requested in any public indoor space when you move around. A new law needs to be passed in order to make this compulsory.

And a few other new measures.

We'll see.

tchrist

@Cerberus I hope that's enough.

Cerberus

We shall see.

tchrist

Europe had more than a 100k new cases yesterday, and that grew by nearly 40% today. Smells like square-root-of-two growth.

Cerberus

Oh, dear.

I didn't know we had quite that many in Europe.

@tchrist Oh, I thought you meant some village called Europe near you had 100 cases haha.

Before you added the k.

tchrist

Go here and choose the Europe tab, then look at yesterday and the day before.

Cerberus

02:02

No, I'm not surprised.

I think it was stupid to allow holidaying this summer.

tchrist

I didn't understand that.

But this new growth isn't from July.

nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/europe/europe-coronavirus.html

Cerberus

Well, it grows exponentially.

So a seed planted in August may be multiplying its roots now.

Mitch

Okie dokie here's a question about covid...

tchrist

@Cerberus It could double every century and still grow exponentially. :)

Mitch

one of the symptoms is...

Cerberus

02:04

The Institute said holidaying has turned out to be a major source of new outbreaks in Holland...just as in March.

Mitch

loss of taste?

or is it loss of smell?

or the generic 'both'?

tchrist

@Mitch Same thing.

Cerberus

I don't know, but by many definitions smell is part of taste.

tchrist

They're reporting smell.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Mitch

02:05

and is it really a by product of nasal congestion?

tchrist

Also, now sometimes hearing.

Cerberus

@Mitch I don't think so.

I for one never really lose my sense of smell nor taste when I have a cold nor the flu.

Mitch

@tchrist at the very beginning (back in April) I distinctly remember 'loss of taste' (with no mention of congestion or loss of smell) as one of the symptoms.

Cerberus

But some people do.

I don't think loss of smell/taste during a cold is from congestion either.

Mitch

but of course smell and taste are really related, and that was why I remember it so distinctly, the lack of mention of loss of smell.

Cerberus

02:07

I remember hearing both.

As a combination.

Mitch

But now when I search it's all 'loss of smell' or loss of smell.taste.

Cerberus

My boyfriend's friends got ill immediately after returning from Ischl (a Corona hotbed in March), and they had a very particular loss of their sense of smell and taste.

tchrist

@Cerberus I feel like we're into the rerun season already. Didn't we all go through the lily-pad test back what the droghte of March hath perced to the roote?

Mitch

OK.

Cerberus

Lily-pad test?

Mitch

02:09

the next important question is is falsifying memory a symptom of coronavirus?

tchrist

@Cerberus It's to show how dumb people are.

Cerberus

@Mitch Only for bovines.

@tchrist Hmm.

Mitch

anyway, I was going around all summer saying 'Cheers! Hope you still have a sense of taste! Ta Ta!'

and I'd doff my cap, click my heels and skip off into the sunset.

Cerberus

The difference between now and March is that the schools will remain open; on the other hand nobody wore face masks in March. We got it under control pretty fast in March/April.

Mitch

but then I'd rush back, apologize and pick up my keys.

and skip off again

goddamit forgot my mask. Last time! See ya!

Cerberus

02:12

@Mitch Heels or hooves?

tchrist

@Cerberus The lake has a single lily pad on day one. It doubles every day such that it completely fills the lake on day forty. On what day will it cover fifty percent of the lake?

Mitch

@Cerberus ooh. hooves? that would make a much better sound.

@Cerberus wait...

all bovines?

Cerberus

Of course.

@Mitch Only those with horns.

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes of course, That's the lily pad test. Most people say day twenty. Send them back to school.

Mitch

@tchrist takes a log, carries the zero, inverse hyperbolic secant and...

tchrist

02:16

It illustrates how exponential growth runs counter to most people's intuitions.

Cerberus

You're so advanced.

Mitch

@Cerberus whew

tchrist

> From France to Russia, from Britain to the Czech Republic, European leaders are confronting a surge in coronavirus cases that is rapidly filling hospital beds, driving up death tolls and raising the grim prospect of further lockdowns in countries already traumatized by the pandemic.

> For Germany and a handful of its neighbors, this second wave is particularly demoralizing because they had navigated the first wave relatively well. In late June, revelers in Prague celebrated the end of the outbreak with a dinner party stretching across the Charles Bridge. Spain and Italy, which were hard hit in March and April, threw open their doors to vacationers in July and August.

Mitch

clears throat

wait

that was to prepare for talking, not for ... um... clearing my throat?

tchrist

> In an about-face, Prime Minister Mark Rutte issued “strong advice” for people to wear masks inside public places. The Dutch authorities had long said that masks provided a false sense of security, emphasizing other forms of social distancing. Mr. Rutte said his government would seek to make them legally obligatory.

The aversion to masks, experts say, could help explain why the Netherlands is suffering such a serious spike, despite being wealthy and well-organized, with one of the best health care systems in the world. It also has a lack of testing capacity, which has prompted the Dutch t…

@Mitch sicko

Mitch

02:26

coughs

tchrist

> In the more populous states where case increases are being seen, including Wisconsin and Illinois, the worst numbers are not coming from the largest population centers.

In Wisconsin, rural counties in the state’s northeast, as well as midsize metropolitan areas like Oshkosh, Appleton and Sheboygan, are reporting the most discouraging data. In Illinois, cases are rising around Chicago, but the per capita figures are much worse around the far-smaller cities of Rockford and Decatur, as well as in rural counties in the state’s south.

Since yesterday I've driven through Denver, Omaha, Des Moines, and Rockford. And many others besides. Don't stop.

Mitch

one of the public health strategies of quarantining was to 'flatten the curve' which just meant that the same amount of people would get sick (and possibly die) but just spread out over a longer amount of time. and so that's what's happening.

@tchrist not even for bio breaks?

er... gas?

tchrist

@Mitch gas

Cerberus

Well, that is rather speculative.
— I believe experts agree face masks don't help much.
— Nobody wore face masks here during the first wave*, which was suppressed fairly quickly.
— Countries like Spain, where people have been wearing face masks for a long time, began to suffer from their second wave sooner than we did.

Oct 9 at 15:08, by Cerberus

> Toen het kabinet op 28 september aanvullende landelijke coronamaatregelen koos, had het RIVM wel berekend welke effecten die op de R zouden hebben. Zo zou het dragen van maskers in ‘winkels en openbare gebouwen’ de R met 0,05 terugdringen. De uiteindelijk niet gekozen avondklok zou een effect van 0,15 hebben. Een sluiting van middelbare scholen zou de R met 0,1 terugdringen.

tchrist

It's like that old French saying: une journée de 1609.344 kilometres commences with the first 30.48 centimetres. Such a poetic language.

@Cerberus I do not believe that. It is part of your national myth. Check which doctors eschew them.

Cerberus

02:35

*) And all shops remained open, people still visited parks a lot, etc., without face masks.

@tchrist You think you know better than the National Institute of Health and the Environment? Which bases its knowledge on international academic research and literature?

And you will see Scandinavian authorities mostly agree.

And so did the WHO, until fairly recently.

tchrist

@Cerberus I don't wear one in the park either -- until and unless somebody violates the hundred-foot perimeter.

Cerberus

Do you have any data that would disagree with the calculations of the RIVM, which gave 0.05 for face masks in public indoor places?

tchrist

@Cerberus No, I think the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health knows better. He got us through AIDS, remember. Not a dim bulb.

Mitch

why do doctors wear masks?

Cerberus

@tchrist I do not know those institutes.

tchrist

02:41

Confirmation bias afflicts all.

Cerberus

But I'm sure those, too, do not expect non-medical face masks to help tremendously; just a little bit, and they want people to do all that they can, so also things that help only a little bit.

tchrist

Anthony Fauci

Anthony Stephen Fauci ( ; born December 24, 1940) is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984. Since January 2020, he has been one of the lead members of the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force addressing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. Fauci is one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases, and during the early stages of the pandemic The New Yorker and The New York Times described Fauci as one of the most trusted medical figures in the United...

Cerberus

I'm sure he's good, but all of the world's serious, large institutes of health must be using the same studies and the same data, more or less.

tchrist

@Cerberus I don't wear a non-medical mask.

Cerberus

I know.

But nobody is advising everybody to wear medical masks.

Which are a whole nother category.

tchrist

02:43

Because of the shortage. Only.

Mitch

i wonder what they're dong in Rwanda

Cerberus

Yes.

And cost.

So this is not about medical masks.

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the poor are dying

tchrist

They cost little more than your double capusomethingsomething grande you take thrice a day.

Cerberus

Although, as I said, we got the first wave under control well enough without face masks, so don't expect them to do much.

Mitch

02:44

I'm glad the dogs and cats can't get it.

Cerberus

@tchrist I don't know what that is.

tchrist

They can.

Cerberus

But how long can you wear a medical face mask, and how much does it cost?

tchrist

@Cerberus Starbuckese.

Cerberus

People cannot afford to spend an extra €3 daily.

So there is no chance whatsoever of mass medical-mask wearing.

tchrist

02:45

Then they must stay home.

Cerberus

People need to go to work and buy food.

Mitch

@tchrist sobs unconsolably

Cerberus

Surely very few people in your country, too, wear medical masks?

tchrist

@Cerberus As long as it takes me to shop for the month.

Cerberus

OK but many people need more than that.

They need to buy groceries every day, travel to work, wear a mask at work, travel back, etc.

tchrist

02:47

So die.

Thoe things are not true.

"Buy groceries every day" = dumb

And you should not be working around other people.

Cerberus

Many people have to.

tchrist

Inside.

Cerberus

I cannot teach from afar.

We did it for months.

tchrist

I hate it too.

Cerberus

But it was really difficult for the children.

tchrist

02:48

But I prefer not to die. That's my choice.

Cerberus

Education suffered a lot. That is why the schools stay open now.

Mitch

how about dog and cat children?

tchrist

False.

Cerberus

But there are tons of other people who cannot work from home either.

Mitch

like you know, puppies and kittens

Cerberus

02:49

Bus drivers, people who work in supermarkets, etc. etc.

tchrist

The schools stay open because they are used mainly for child-care facilities while the parents go wage-slaving.

Cerberus

Nonsense.

Teaching from home was tried between March and July. It did not work well. Many, many children are way behind now.

And those affected most seriously were children from poor families.

Or with problems at home.

Rich parents had the skills to manage their children a bit.

And hire extra help.

tchrist

@Cerberus nytimes.com/2020/10/13/opinion/…

Cerberus

I haven't read that, but I know what I'm talking about.

tchrist

@Cerberus So hard to hire a good governess these days.

It's not rich parents. It's committed parents.

Cerberus

02:52

It has been in the papers a lot, confirmed by many schools and researchers. But I have also experienced it myself as a teacher.

tchrist

Otherwise you're just leading horses to water.

Cerberus

@tchrist Rich, committed, and educated all help. Poor parents often lack all three of those properties, sadly.

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the poor get poorer

and die

Cerberus

Like the father who just drinks and does nothing, or the mother who works double jobs. They cannot manage their children.

So it is deemed very important for schools to remain open.

We'll see how it goes.

They may have to close again.

tchrist

@Cerberus Darwin always wins.

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02:55

How long did they close?

tchrist

@Cerberus You keep saying rich. You don't mean that, because the wealthy need never work at all.

Cerberus

@tchrist Well, the state tries to prevent that. And schools are an important instrument, along with benefits.

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain Here, about four months.

Where do you live?

@tchrist I don't understand.

The effect of closed schools is less detrimental on children whose parents are rich, educated, or committed.

tchrist

@Cerberus You use "rich" to characterize anyone above the poverty line. It is curious. Just because one does not number among the working poor does not make that person rich.

Cerberus

I don't?

tchrist

I didn't mean you you.

Cerberus

02:58

Rich parents are more likely and able to hire tutors, and they are less likely to have other problems at home, like the lack of a proper, quiet work space for their children.

tchrist

See, that is not rich.

Cerberus

So the children who suffer most from closed schools are those from families who were already having problems. So the weakest families and their children suffer the most if schools close.

tchrist

The top what, quartile? One percent? Less? Whom do you mean?

Cerberus

Which is an important reason to keep them open.

@tchrist It doesn't matter to me. Rich enough for the things I specified. I'm probably missing your point.

tchrist

@Cerberus Let's just say white collar vs blue collar then.

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03:01

black vs white

tchrist

Yes, the white collared have b een far less affected.

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain Who are the black collar workers? Is that a Catholic thing? :)

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:)

tchrist

The base of the economy, the bottom 40%, has been devastated. And it is going to get worse.

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black collars matter

the second, third, and finally a tsunami is coming

tchrist

Wasn't it Thomas Friedman who recently said that if we don't avert this lumbering battleship, it won't take 5 years until the wealth disparity mirrors the one that begat the French Revolution?

Mitch

03:04

puppies and kittens is all I'm saying

tchrist

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain Après nous, le déluge.

Nope, it was Fareed Zakaria.

> And the second is to do something about a level of inequality that is going to approach the levels you had in France before the French Revolution if we're not serious about it.

npr.org/transcripts/923218525

Cerberus

In America?

At least absolute levels of wealth have increased tremendously since then 18th century.

tchrist

@Cerberus yes

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tchrist

Now I hear Trump is going to be in Janesville on Saturday. I'll have to duck under and hit Beloit instead. I just managed to avoid him in Des Moines today. Maybe he's stalking me.

Zakaria is talking about the post pandemic world there.

> So if you look at the last four recessions and you look at the top 25% of earners and the bottom 25% and you say during the recession, what percentage lost jobs? - it turns out that for the last three recessions, the top 25% and the bottom 25% lose jobs at about the same rate.
In this recession, the top 25% have actually stayed stable. They haven't lost many jobs. The bottom 25% have - it's just a cratering. If you look at the graph, it's literally like you see this deep plunge down.

So this time is very different.

> And you can you can imagine it, right? I mean, it's all the bankers, the lawyers, the people in media. We're all fine or mostly fine.
But think about the restaurant workers. Think about the waiters. Think about the people who work in hotels, on cruise ships, in, you know, theme parks. All those people, who are low wage in any case, have seen their livelihoods destroyed. And this massive acceleration and exacerbation of inequality is, to me, the most deeply worrying thing about what this pandemic has done.

@Cerberus I think you and he are talking about the same thing here.

Cerberus

03:19

@tchrist I'll believe it.

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We need a vaccine fast.

tchrist

> the lockdowns, the paralysis, the great recessions that are taking place everywhere in the world - this is affecting the person who is at the bottom of the poll much, much more than it is the people at the top. The people at the top have education. They can do their work digitally. They have access to urban centers. They're doing fine. It is the people at the bottom who are suffering the most.

t:55831549 fast, good, cheap: pick two.

Cerberus

Yeah, that is a problem.

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fast, cheap

tchrist

But it isn't going to be fast. The vaccines next year may not be what you hope for. It isn't on./off.

Cerberus

03:22

We're artificially making people keep their jobs for the moment, hoping we can bridge period until we have a vaccine.

tchrist

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain Then it needs to be dispensed nasally. Maybe.

Cerberus

Unemployent has risen, to about 4.6%.

Which is still fine.

But we can't bridge a period of indefinite duration.

tchrist

Try people under 30. Without college degrees. Or white skin.

Cerberus

Yes, unemployment is always worst amongst the young and poor.

And they are the first to go.

tchrist

The unemployment rate for them is far worse.

Cerberus

03:24

But levels are still OK among all groups for the moment here.

I think your unemployment rate is around 8% now?

But it may bounce back quicker than ours.

tchrist

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain We will have multiple vaccines, of varying characteristics and properties. No silver bullet.

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This is not a werewolf :)

tchrist

@Cerberus That was perhaps in August, I think.

Cerberus

What is it now?

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It's a plague

Cerberus

03:26

I don't have the most recent figures either.

tchrist

@Cerberus dunno

@MakeStackexchangeGreatAgain We have a rabies vaccine. But if you get bitten by a mad dog or three, it can't save you, at least, not on its own after the fact. You need a very fast infusion of cultured antibodies first to get a jump start.

The problem is that these are very expensive to culture and grow, and preserve to have on hand.

So monoclonal antibodies may be a wonder drug, but would never be available to the many.

We may need to be vaccinated every four to six months.

We just don't know. Far too soon. So many trials, so many possibilities. So much to learn yet.

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a superflu shot?

tchrist

There's talk of combining them, actually.

But remember the flu shot is usually only about 50% effective. But it cuts mortality,

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hmm

Cerberus

Yeah, we don't need it to be perfect.

By the way, is there any news on the extent to which partial immunity from old, common-cold corona infections mitigate the effects of an infection from the new corona virus?

tchrist

03:35

nytimes.com/2020/10/12/health/covid-vaccines.html

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@Cerberus Just more hunches, tidbits trickling out, nothing definitive that I have seen.

Cerberus

OK.

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I wonder how Mr shiney and new is doing?

tchrist

> It’s tempting to look at the first vaccine as President Trump does: an on-off switch that will bring back life as we know it. “As soon as it’s given the go-ahead, we will get it out, defeat the virus,” he said at a September news conference. But vaccine experts say we should prepare instead for a perplexing, frustrating year.

The first vaccines may provide only moderate protection, low enough to make it prudent to keep wearing a mask. By next spring or summer, there may be several of these so-so vaccines, without a clear sense of how to choose from among them. Because of this array of op…

Cerberus

He hasn't been here since...I don't remember.

@tchrist "On hardly anybody"? But this is common knowledge?

Any newspapers will tell its readers this.

tchrist

And that's NEXT year yet. We still have to survive the winter. Which is not looking like it's going well.

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03:40

Jul 8 at 20:55, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

She was a rescue - someone abandonned her at the pet store. So we don't know what age she is or anything about her past life.

His last^ message

:(

Cerberus

By the way, were you once known by another name?

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I have had many names

Cerberus

Ahh.

One of your many, many names.

Why do you change it so often?

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to stay incognito

Cerberus

Why?

tchrist

03:49

So blinded Polyphemus cannot cry out his name.

Cerberus

Wise.

Wouldn't want Poseidon to come after you.

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tchrist

Pisseidon is not a pretty sight.

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Indeed, my friends.

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04:19

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Færd

04:55

@Cerberus Oh god... I meant podophobic

Færd

05:56

Ruckus and raucous are not cognates.

Faheem Mitha

06:53

@RegDwigнt Where are you located?

@Cerberus Requested? What's wrong with your govt?

CowperKettle

08:11

CowperKettle

08:22

The first monument to John Lennon in the USSR, 1990, in Mogilev-Podolsky

skullpatrol

His murder has been denied probation 12 times.

CowperKettle

I know, it's very sad and very bad. He was obviously psychotic during the time of the crime. It is outrageous that a person gets punished for being mentally ill.

Do we punish a person who drives a bus and has the first ever epileptic seizure in his life, killing his passengers inadvertently?

No.

I would let him go free right away.

skullpatrol

Yeah, it has been long enough.

some kind of halfway house should be considered

perhaps, the prison psychologist's assessment is not favourable?

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Q: Where did the Stack Overflow chat link go?

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Q: Why is there no chat in the footer on Stack Overflow like on other sites?

On all Stack Exchange sites there is a chat in the footer why is there none at Stack Overflow? Usually I find it over Google or a bookmark, but I was wondering why it is this way.

support chat footer

kind of a sneaky way of hiding chat, imho

but, that's the way they want it

M.A.R.

09:19

@Færd yeah that was weird O.o

CowperKettle

10:25

Knight

10:57

@M.A.R. I have left a message for you, when you get time please see it in Shadow’s Den.

M.A.R.

11:14

@Knight okay

CowperKettle

An old man in the neighboring city of Perm was seeking medical help for 2 weeks before he was hospitalized. He finally got into hospital on 2 October with 80% lungs gone, and has recently died of Covid twitter.com/mudakoff/status/1316697639279357952

The medical system is again overloaded.

I had some trouble with my GI tract and in the outpatient clinic it was hard to get the visiting slip at the reception, because all the receptionists but one had fallen ill.

The last time I visited there, a week ago, the corridors were full with people.

I got lucky to get my diagnosis and treatment just in time before that wave.

CowperKettle

12:54

Stupid question inc

13:36

@M.A.R. I need a english grammar book since I need to write thesis.

Do you know all in one english grammar book so that I can master enlish grammar ?

Or any other resource?

Also I have to write a letter to a professor but I don't even know how to write proper letter with no grammatical mistake.

Anyone can give me info about the resource. I just want to be more formal, sound good and be grammatically correct.

Is cowperkettle a bot?

M.A.R.

14:35

@Stupidquestioninc There is an all-in-one English grammar book, and there are a few books that'd help you improve your grammar. Both in one place can't exist.

@Stupidquestioninc You're a nonnative speaker of English, right? As long as your English is coherent enough to follow, a few grammatical mistakes can be easily overlooked

Cerberus

15:12

@FaheemMitha Liberal society and civil liberties.

skullpatrol

15:29

TIL @JohanLarsson is 1 of 39 room owners of the C# chatroom :-)

Man, that is one busy chatroom.

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/7/c

What surprised me the most was that none of those 39 room owners are moderators.

Johan Larsson

15:47

I'm not very active, the room died a couple of years ago. People moved to discord

skullpatrol

I see.

Johan Larsson

Do you write c#?

skullpatrol

nah, I just stumbled upon it.

Faheem Mitha

16:15

@tchrist Day 39

CowperKettle

16:30

In the city of Chelyabinsk, 200 km south of where I live, people with lung damage up to 50% cannot get hospitalized for a lack of beds rosbalt.ru/russia/2020/10/15/1868297.html

Looks like schoolkids will be transferred to online schooling again.

Cerberus

17:17

> Within a lookaround, subpattern or atomic group, a backtracking control verb only affects the sub-match. For instance, (*COMMIT) only commits the engine with respect to the match within a lookaround—not with respect to the overall match.

@tchrist Would you say this is true? Experimentation shows me that it isn't. Or I misunderstand what it says. regex101.com/r/e5tTqB/1

Faheem Mitha

@tchrist Personally, I'd lean towards: day prison with a light sprinkling of education.

@tchrist Rich doesn't imply unlimited financial resources.

@tchrist Weird to hear Zakaria say things like that. He's such an establishment person. Shows how bad things have got, I guess. When the corporate types are worried, you know it's bad.

Faheem Mitha

17:49

@tchrist Possibly an Odyssey reference.

Cerberus

18:24

> Bij vergelijking van de resultaten bleek dat de uitslagen van de reguliere PCR-test voor 99 procent overeenkwamen met die van de TNO-sneltest. De sensitiviteit (het percentage terecht positieve uitslagen) en de specificiteit (het percentage terecht negatieve uitslagen) van de sneltest werden beide vastgesteld op 99 procent.

@tchrist The fast test has been validated.

Sensitivity and specificity of both the fast test and the conventional test have been observed to be 99%.

And there is also a new breath test, which produces results almost immediately, no waiting (probably a minute or so?). In 75% of participants, it could tell "with certainty" that someone was not infected. The remaining 25% required further testing. So the immediate breath test could be used as a first selection, greatly reducing the number of further testing required.

The breath test has not been validated yet, though.

About the fast test:

> De moleculaire sneltest, die is gebaseerd op de LAMP-methode, kan veel monsters tegelijk per uur verwerken. Analyse kan ter plekke en hoeft niet in een laboratorium. Andere voordelen zijn goede beschikbaarheid van grondstoffen en de mogelijkheid om de productie en het gebruik ervan eenvoudig op te schalen, aldus TNO.

skullpatrol

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Are your students too young to use zoom? @Cerberus

Learning to teach online is going to be a valuable skill set, pal.

Cerberus

@skullpatrol No, we use Jitsi and sometimes Zoom (which is a commercial foreign company with a reputation that is not so great).

@skullpatrol We did it between March and July.

But it is just so hard to reach them. Many just didn't turn up.

And communication is harder.

They often have sucky computers, bad conexions, and lots of noise produced by brothers and sisters.

tchrist

@Cerberus Yeah, that's not quite exactly right. See the docs at perldoc.perl.org/perlre#Special-Backtracking-Control-Verbs

skullpatrol

Flipping the classroom is more about putting more responsibilities on the students to read on their own.

No more spoon feeding :-)

Cerberus

@tchrist I couldn't find it at a glance. Is it that only ACCEPT applies to a subpattern only, while other control verbs apply to the entire Regex?

@skullpatrol Yeah, that is an issue. Children are often incapable of doing so, especially the ones who weren't doing too well in the first place.

So it magnifies inaequalities.

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