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@FaheemMitha It's a spectrum. Not black and white.
@Cerberus Nazi-like, yes.
"Make America Great Again"
00:19
@Færd On the other hand, such situations could also lead to other systemic changes.
Revolutions.
Communism.
@Færd I would say that is a bit of a light use of the term, then.
I would call it nationalist.
The "again" is a bit Romanticist and/or reactionary.
Which is also exists in fascism.
But also elsewhere.
Here's the reason Democrats are treading lightly about Trump's disease:
@Robusto What's your conclusion from it?
@Cerberus Well, they're afraid if they don't express mild good wishes that the evil bastards on Faux News will complain about that.
Common decency and humanity demands that we begrudge noöne his health except in war or immediate self-defence.
So Fox would be right to complain if people should wish for Trump to die.
@Cerberus But they will complain that any good wishes from Dems are insincere, or insufficient, since they will never amount to what the fawning toadies on Faux put out.
00:33
Right.
Well, who cares?
29 tons of carrots is an art exhibit. Anything goes.
@Cerberus I sure don't.
See? It's easy.
Well, it's an election year. Ask me on air, I'll say bad cess to him.
Politicians are expected to mouth the correct platitudes.
Raise your hand if you have chew-chews in your trains and trees.
00:37
@tchrist Hey, what's going on with the atomic clock broadcast from your neighborhood?
It keeps setting my atomic clock receiver back an hour. Every day.
I KNOW!!!
Me too.
WTF?????
I thought they were sending out UTC. I don't know how the signal works.
I'm considering setting my clock to central time just to avoid having to set it every frickin' day.
> UTC(NIST) is freely distributed to many millions of users through radio, Internet, and telephone links. The services that distribute UTC(NIST) include shortwave radio stations WWV and WWVH, low frequency radio station WWVB, the Internet Time Service (ITS), the Automated Computer Time Service (ACTS), the telephone time service, and the web clock (time.gov). These services synchronize hundreds of millions of clock every day.
I wonder if this is the one in Boulder or the one in Ft Collins. Probably here?
I think Boulder is Stratum 0.
00:40
The one in Boulder is the broadcast clock, right?
I even bought a brand-new atomic clock, thinking my old one's firmware was obsolete or something. And the new one does it too!
> Most radio-controlled clocks in North America use WWVB's transmissions to set the correct time.
Oh, so it is Fort Collins.
I honestly don't know what the hell is going on. Confused the heck out of me this morning.
Did you flip the DST bit on your atomic clock?
Checked mine. Nope. Still on.
It's done this all by its lonesome.
@tchrist I'm trying that tonight. I had it off before. Now it's on auto. We'll see.
But I did that with the old clock too, tried both ways, still no joy.
I don't trust DSTs on autos.
@tchrist Same. But this is a last resort.
I don't trust DSTs anywhere, actually.
00:47
Seems like someone should have, you know, noticed all the fucking clocks doing this. And put out some information on why?
Not even my phone shows the right time when driving through the Navajo Nation.
@Robusto The internet is infinite. Perhaps they have.
DST again? :)
Heh.
So will the set-back problem go away on November 1, I wonder?
I dunno. I've pinged some local geeks to see if they noticed this too.
Do we really have to fall back this year? Pretty please?
Thing is, I never adjust my time schedule one iota.
When's the last time you woke up just because it was such and such a time or fell asleep just because it was such and such a time?
00:55
@tchrist I wake up when it gets light outside.
(My wife feeds the cats in the morning.)
I always set my alarm clock.
I do go to bed at a certain time by the clock just because that's what I learned helps me sleep.
Good for you.
I spent decades doing it the other way, though.
Basically, staying up until I was falling asleep in my chair.
Ah.
Yeah, sleep is important.
Too many of us suck at it.
00:58
@Robusto Yep. It's how it works.
I hate when I have to wake up in the dark.
Yeah, that's bad.
I'm getting tired already because it's on the darker light of the gloaming.
Yeah. Here too.
Waking up in the dark is how I know to go back to sleep.
Waking up in the light is how I know not to.
The clock is immaterial. I am diurnal.
But I can't sleep when it's light out, either. Not unless I'm really sick.
01:02
I sometimes nap after a long ride.
It feels ... refreshing.
01:22
Still missing the November entry from the paste below. Who can guess what it shall be? :)
> January: It’s going to be just fine.
February: It’s like a miracle — it will disappear.
March: It’s something we have tremendous control of.
April: [on wearing masks] You can do it. You don’t have to do it. I’m choosing not to do it, but some people may want to do it, and that’s OK. It may be good. Probably will. They’re making a recommendation. It’s only a recommendation.
May: When we have a lot of cases, I don’t look at that as a bad thing. I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better. So, if we were testing a million people inst
> May: When we have a lot of cases, I don’t look at that as a bad thing. I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better. So, if we were testing a million people instead of 14 million people, we would have far few cases, right? So, I view it as a badge of honor. Really, it’s a badge of honor. It’s a great tribute to the testing and all of the work that a lot of professionals have done.
Not entirely untrue.
The rest is indeed pretty bleh.
01:43
If he hadn't been tested, we'd've had one case fewer. :)
I wonder how long it will take him to come up negative on the PCR test twice in a row. I wonder if he's going to simply stop testing people who come in contact with him. Those rapid tests aren't any good anyway, and they aren't protection.
We are about to switch to quick tests.
They are their uses.
Which have almost been tested enough to be deemed reliable.
Almost as reliable as the slow tests, I think.
You'd need to look at actual data.
But perhaps those are of a different kind than yours.
@tchrist We have an institute that does that for us.
01:47
He's using the Abbott quick tests.
Doesn't ring a bell.
Are these antigen tests then?
> De moleculaire sneltest, sinds maart in ontwikkeling, is volgens het onderzoeksinstituut sneller, tot de helft goedkoper dan de gebruikelijke test, en – in het lab – even betrouwbaar als de gangbare PCR-test.
Hmm ours has been developed by TNO, a Dutch organisation.
Damn it, it started out nice and French and then went all ent-wiggling on me.
Heh.
What parts are giving you trouble?
01:49
I'm kidding. I knew I was doomed when I realized sneltest wasn't the superlative of snelt. :)
Hah.
Snel-test!
You know snel?
Duh.
German schnell.
01:51
That's the joke.
Not sure what they mean by molecular in this context.
Oh the link explains somewhat. tno.nl/nl/over-tno/nieuws/2020/9/…
There's also an English version of that page, I think.
The press release from the research institute which developed the test (with some other research organisations).
> The sensitivity of rapid antigen tests is generally lower than RT-PCR. The first antigen tests to have received FDA EUAs demonstrate sensitivity ranging from 84.0%-97.6% compared to RT-PCR. Antigen levels in specimens collected beyond 5-7 days of the onset of symptoms may drop below the limit of detection of the test.
But actual date have probably not been published yet.
01:54
Bet not.
But I don't think TNO would make such a statement if it were unsupported by their (laboratorial) data.
> The specificity of rapid antigen tests is generally as high as RT-PCR – the first antigen tests that have received FDA EUAs have reported specificity of 100% – which means that false positive results are unlikely. Positive and negative predictive values of all in vitro diagnostic tests vary depending upon the pretest probability of the patient being tested.
> Pretest probability is impacted by the prevalence of the target infection in the community as well as the clinical context of the recipient of the test.
In two or three weeks, we should know how reliable the test actually is in a real environment.
Trump's 'Doing Very Well,' Could Be Discharged Tomorrow, Medical Team Says medscape.com/viewarticle/938532
@CowperKettle Yeah sure. Rah.
01:56
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That doesn't mean he won't get hit again in the second week.
What are the chances?
@CowperKettle It's like hurrah.
@Cerberus We don't know. I believe it's an inflammatory response.
They obviously had this laid in store, giving him the special monoclonal antibody elixir the moment he came up positive. They might not have waited for PCR confirmation either.
They're using the steroid, too, the one that you shouldn't use unless there's already pulmonary involvement.
Remember that the feeling-bad part is you perceiving your own body going to war against it. It isn't the virus that's causing you to "feel sick".
And they're lying about the O2 numbers. Nobody freaks out if somebody hits 94.
02:01
Hmm.
It will have had to have dropped lower than that for them to have freaked out like this.
I see.
You definitely give O2 when it's below 90. But 90–92 is a bit borderline. They freaked out seriously though, so I do wonder.
Reagan's daughter has written an opinion piece for the Post about how presidents have no right of privacy about their health crises. It's ok.
They've been treating him in ways that strongly suggest that they were really worried about him needing the ICU soon.
You have to be careful with steroids and infections, of course.
Delightful.
> Dexamethasone suppresses lymphocytes that are vital in suppressing the coronavirus. Hence it is vital to avoid corticosteroids in the initial, stable, mild-to-moderate patients with COVID-19 infections.
Therefore, he was not numbered among "the initial, stable, mild-to-moderate patients with COVID-19 infections". QED.
He also went from symptom onset on Wednesday to full hospitalization on Friday. That is unusually rapid.
02:15
Interesting.
> Because of the incomplete picture offered by the president’s doctors, it was not clear whether they had given him dexamethasone too quickly, or whether the president was far sicker than has been publicly acknowledged, experts in infectious disease and emergency medicine said on Sunday.
I don't think he will be seriously harmed. Even if his lungs fail, he could be supported by extracorporeal oxygenation and given an lung transplant.
@CowperKettle That would count as seriously harmed in my book.
I mean, he will not die, he's a President of a very rich country ))
Probably not.
But I'd like to know, once this is all said and done, his lung injury score, his heart injury score, and his brain injury score. Friend of the family got over it and some 6 weeks later died of a sudden, unexpected stroke.
> “The dexamethasone is the most mystifying of the drugs we’re seeing him being given at this point,” said Dr. Thomas McGinn, physician-in-chief at Northwell Health, the largest health care provider in New York State. The drug is normally not used unless the patient’s condition seems to be deteriorating, he added.

“Suddenly, they’re throwing the kitchen sink at him,” Dr. McGinn said. “It raises the question: Is he sicker than we’re hearing, or are they being overly aggressive because he is the president, in a way that could be potentially harmful?”
It's a complicated virus with complex system affects.
It's nothing like normal cold viruses.
02:22
Well, the flu also causes damage throughout the body, including heart.
Most people's bodies repair the damage, but not all.
Meanwhile, I'm watching a recording of a concert, and it seems unreal now, to hear so many people cough in between movements.
@CowperKettle For the most part, he's been treated no differently than any other Covid patient fitting his profile would be. But they had the monoclonal antibodies on hand just in case even though these hadn't even received an Emergency Use Authorization yet, so that was purely an FDA-approved Compassionate Use application. Those are not usually quickly granted. Takes a day or two. His they had already waiting pre-positivity result.
New cases in Russia are up
@CowperKettle Winter is coming.
02:51
> When asked whether it fell below 90 percent, Conley answered that it wasn’t “into the low 80s or anything.” So we are left to surmise that perhaps the oxygen levels were, at some point, in the mid or high 80s — a concerning finding that points to substantial lung involvement.
Told ya.
> On Sunday, we learned that Trump has been started on dexamethasone, a steroid medication that has been shown to reduce mortality in critically ill patients. Importantly, this medication is not recommended for patients with non-severe disease. Given the use of steroids and oxygen saturation drops, it seems likely that the president has at least moderate pneumonia.
And again. He doesn't not have severe disease.
They keep dodging the pneumonia questions, too, which they would not do if there were nothing to report. They haven't said his lungs were normal or healthy, only that they were "as expected", whatever that means.
Interesting.
He's not going home tomorrow. Mark my words. The dangerous period is days 7 to 10 of the infection. He's not there yet. And he hasn't finished his IV remdesivir, which requires frequent blood draws for monitoring. They'd have to move the hospital to the White House to send him home.
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Marked.
03:07
Seems rather unlikely anyone else has yet had his combo of that brand-spanking-new monoclonal antibody cocktail PLUS the remdesivir antiviral PLUS the dexamethasone corticosteroid PLUS the famotidine h2 blocker. So nobody knows what mixing those all together in the presidential chemistry set may do, nor when it might do that. Sending such a patient with Covid pneumonia home before he's passed the danger period while still fighting the disease would be cavalierly irresponsible.
Suicide ride.
Imagine the people in that space capsule with him!
Finally, wearing a mask.
He has a highly communicable and often fatal disease.
And that tank is air-tight.
It's probably not quite as dangerous as an intubation, but it's hard to find anything between those two points.
Any word on his wife's condition?
03:15
Nope.
I've heard nothing about the status of anyone else from that cluster.
Well, save that Christie was sent to the hospital for safe keeping.
Right.
Barr came back negative again and is quarantining after everybody jammed on him for acting like a negative test absolved him of his duty to quarantine.
And they refuse to tell us anything about staffers having positive tests.
I wonder who's taking care of the lad.
Pence should be quarantining. It's unconscionable that he is not.
yeah, they really should tell us more
Chris Wallace gets tested tomorrow. Biden's come up negative thrice since Friday, including today. The White House didn't contact the contacts.
Perhaps, they even should be a model of how to quarantine
03:22
Not clear whether Hope or DJT was the cluster's patient-zero, if either.
We need detailed tracking
You have to trace the contacts' contacts now. Every moment counts. And they've blown it.
They should ask China for tracking instructions
03:28
Or Korea.
Seriously, people need to learn from each other.
> Some experts raised an additional possibility: that the president is directing his own care, and demanding intense treatment despite risks he may not fully understand. The pattern even has a name: V.I.P. syndrome, which describes prominent figures who receive poor medical care because doctors are too zealous in treating them — or defer too readily to their instructions.
V. Most I.P. in this case.
> Steroids may also give a false impression of the patient’s state. The drugs are also known to affect mood, causing euphoria or a general happiness. Steroids can also disrupt sleep, leading to insomnia, irritability or depression.

In some cases they may cause psychiatric effects, leading to feelings of grandiosity and mania, or even delirium and psychosis.
Like how could we tell, you know, if such effects were from the new med regimen versus the ones that have always been there?
> feelings of grandiosity and mania
lol
not to mention roid rage
A Pres pumped up roids with his finger on the nuclear first strike button
03:40
Yes, they can easily cause the crazies. But again I ask, how could we tell?
We can't.
He needs to do the right thing and step down.
This is serious stuff.
imho
@skullpatrol He's never been good with steps.
He has shown that he knows how to step on people
I'm sure Pence would step into the post quick as you can say Jack Robinson. He believes its his divine destiny after all.
Yup
Trump would gain a lot of "respect" by stepping down.
03:57
It would be like saying he was sorry about something, that he had been wrong about something.
That he had made some kind of mistake. It isn't in his nature.
and I'm not such a bad guy
Weebles wobble but they don't step down.
by stepping down think of all the people I'm not going to infect
see I'm a nice guy
I'll even wear a mask
Please vote for me next election
::poker face::
 
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> Twenty years ago, Ray Blanchard and Anthony Bogaert demonstrated that the probability of a boy growing up to be gay increases for each older brother born to the same mother, the so-called fraternal birth order (FBO) effect.
07:36
@Færd That doesn't sound accurate. That seems to imply capitalism is anti-capitalist, which I don't think is usually the case. At least, I can't think of any examples. In fact fascism, like big business, is usually anti-labor and pro-capital. Which is why they get on so well together. Peanut butter and jelly.
@Færd I don't think fascism is opposed to free markets either. It actually seems to be closely connected to ideologies like neoliberalism, another word I'm not sure I understand the meaning of. But in practice it seems to be one manifestation of worship of free markets and the "inevitable" consequences thereof.
@Færd Yes, of course. But there are characteristic qualities. Like in a taxonomy.
I was listening to the long book on the Russian revolution, and decided to read up on the Marxist belief that the state itself will wither away as the society moves towards communism. And I have read some pages about this, and I just cannot understand it. How grown-up men could believe that the state would just disappear.
1) We take the power 2) We nationalize all property 3) Profit!
Basically there is no cogent explanation as to how this might actually happen.
I was trying to understand what moved Lenin and his compadres
08:38
@Cerberus Yes, I didn't mean it deterministically.
@Cerberus No two political systems are exactly the same. I call Trump Nazi-like because of a number of similarities to the Nazis (namely: white supremacy, praising violence, reactionary yearning for a great past, collaboration with other reactionary/ultra-nationalist/racist movements, parties, and governments around the world, reliance on conspiracy theories, leading a personality cult, etc etc. And he's not pro free trade either.). Not because he's an actual Nazi.
The nazis disdained democracy and considered elections only a way to get to power and destroy elections.
@FaheemMitha I think that's because you have loose definitions for those terms. The fact that Nazi Germany tried to appease and use big business doesn't mean that their economy was pure liberal capitalism. China's economy has a strong capitalist aspect. Does it mean they're pure capitalists believing in complete freedom for markets and trade? No.
I didn't draw distinctions between Nazism/fascism and capitalism based on your notions of those terms. I laid out my definition. So I invite you, if you like, to challenge it on its own basis, rather than referring back to your definitions (which seem very vague to me).
@CowperKettle Trump is doing some of that too.
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Like those of many other Western nations, the Germany economy suffered the effects of the Great Depression with unemployment soaring around the Wall Street Crash of 1929. When Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he introduced policies aimed at improving the economy. The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) and tariffs on imports. Weekly earnings increased by 19% in real terms, but reduced foreign trade meant rationing in consumer goods like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans.The Nazis believed in war as the primary...
> The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) and tariffs on imports.
> The Nazis believed in war as the primary engine of human progress
> Nazi Germany maintained a supply of slave labor, composed of prisoners and concentration camp inmates
08:57
@CowperKettle et.al.—nazism is sometimes considered a variety of socialism—wherever the formal ownership lies, the control is in government hands, directed toward its purposes of power, war, whatever.
That's also inaccurate. Not every planned economy can be called socialist.
> after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse... However, the privatization was "applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference,"
@CowperKettle In some mayoralty election nw of Moscow, the mayor got a woman—a cleaner—to run so they’d have two candidates. And she won! Politikhiva, or something like that, a village really.
09:13
Historians and other scholars disagree on the question of whether a specifically fascist type of economic policy can be said to exist. Baker argues that there is an identifiable economic system in fascism that is distinct from those advocated by other ideologies, comprising essential characteristics that fascist nations shared. Payne, Paxton, Sternhell et al. argue that while fascist economies share some similarities, there is no distinctive form of fascist economic organization. Gerald Feldman and Timothy Mason argue that fascism is distinguished by an absence of coherent economic ideology and...
I think that's right. Fascism can mainly be identified by what it reacts against, not by what exact ideologies it advocates.
So for example, the economic visions that Hitler espoused in his rise to power in order to rally support from the German people was not completely compatible with what he did in power. But he was the same Fascist person all through.
10:01
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10:35
@Knight any good Arabic dictionary should include noun genders.
 
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12:18
Word of the day: syneresis
12:43
This September was the warmest September on record (130 years) in Russia rosbalt.ru/russia/2020/10/05/1866595.html
12:55
Russia will start creating a reusable rocket. tass.ru/kosmos/9627165
13:14
@marcellothearcane good point. Sorry for the late reply.
@Færd You could say those things are very weak echoes of Nazism (some common elements but in a very weak form, copresent with many other things that are not at al like the Nazis), but I think it is inflation to call Trump Nazi-like. It waters down the meaning of Nazi. I would save the term for when people are actually behaving like Nazis.
@CowperKettle Of course the common people are 'led' by a group of intellectuals who effect the change...
@Cerberus hear hear
@Xanne That doesn't really make much sense, except that the Nazis themselves (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) used the name in order to attract votes from the working classes in the beginning. After that initial phase, they were really very far from Socialism.
In fact, the pro-labour wing of the party, the Sturmabteilung, was massacred by Hitler.
The remaining wings were even less pro labour.
But they did initiate large public works that provided employment for the poor.
So you could says the Nazis were more socialist than e.g. the Americans; but that doesn't tell you much.
@Færd I would say the economy is just not central to fascist ideology.
Of course any system needs an economy. But it was not central.
That is also why you seem various elements from other socio-economic systems mixed and used by the Nazis.
@MattE.Эллен Merci.
13:31
@MattE.Эллен I second the motion.
Let's save that kind of talk for when they are wearing uniforms etc
I mean, OK, they have rounded up (immigrant) people into camps, and they have separated children from their parents, and re-homed said children, and the person in charge is telling violent fascist organisations to "stand by".
He's just a troll in power.
Nothing more, nothing less.
How many times does he have to prove it on Twitter?
Yeah.
@Cerberus Nazism was of its time. I think we need a new term for when is happening in the USA.
The rise of the southern ideology.
Confederatism
13:49
@MattE.Эллен Just good old nationalism?
With minor corruption and idiotry.
minor from whose point of view?
I suppose everything is legal, but that doesn't mean it's not corrupt by some other measure
Has PM Boris fully recovered?
systemic racism doesn't feel like a minor corruption, but you can't blame that one on Trump
Because it isn't majorly affecting the whole of society (yet).
It's nothing compared to e.g. Russia, India, or basically any non-rich country.
@skillpatrol I don't know. he might have "post-covid syndrome" or whatever it's called. I haven't heard that he's suffering
13:56
Thanks for the update
@Cerberus so minor compared to other countries. A house with enough CO to kill you still has more oxygen than the space between the earth and the moon.
Has his popularity gone up, in general?
Asking for a friend
I think it did for a bit, but it's shot back down again
When are your elections?
:shrug: none have been announced. there was a law that they had to be every 5 years, but I'm not sure if that's still a law
wikipedia to the rescue! apparently the fixed term parliament act is still a law. so Thursday 2nd May 2024
14:03
Coolio, thanks pal.
@MattE.Эллен I'm not sure what you mean.
@Cerberus just because it's not as corrupt a Russia doesn't mean the corruption isn't major
Not necessarily, so.
But I think the judges he has appointed are legitimate, if conservative?
The corruption at the top is somewhat more present than under other presidents, but the power of large companies over the government has always been great in America.
The only one I've heard about had women coming up and talking about abuse. It's not someone I'd allow to be a "supreme" judge
but then I'm never going to be in power
Well, I wouldn't say that is related to corruption.
14:14
Which is where we differ
And I'm sure there have always been tens of thousands of judges in America who had approached a woman inappropriately or indecently in their youth. Nothing new.
@Cerberus yes, absolutely. I think Trump has allowed people to operate in the open, but I don't think much has changed
Right.
@Cerberus any protest before was not nearly so loud and obvious. I don't know about actual evidence and testimony for previous judges, but it feels like if you're shown that someone still abuses people (iirc it wasn't a "youthful indiscretion"), then maybe they're not someone who should be making decisions about how the country works.
This new judge was still abusing people?
At any rate, I think this is nothing new.
It's always happened.
14:20
that doesn't mean it should. it can stop anytime
Of course, but why are you saying this?
You brought up about the judges
@Cerberus my mistake. it was in his teens and early college years
OK.
I just don't think any of this is new, so it's not a sign of increased corruption.
I was thinking of the financial kind of corruption anyway.
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14:28
The leader of our newest rightwing populist party also has a history of approaching women inappropriately.
But so did our prime-minister of the eighties and nineties, Lubbers.
And probably many politicians before him.
But it is now deemed less acceptable, so sterner measures are taken.
@Cerberus Yeah, I can't say for sure, because who knows what happens behind closed doors, but in the open Trump is more financially corrupt than normal. e.g. violating the emoluments clause, forcing the secret service to pay to stay in his hotels, and I get a lot of weird nepotistic feelings about who gets employed in his staff
Yes.
Is your new leader married, and if so what does her wife think of that behavior?
But it seems to be somewhat limited to his personal gains and a number of cronies around him, who will mostly leave when he leaves.
Men.
14:31
@tchrist I believe he has a girlfriend at the moment. I don't know if he still does it.
He once asked if my shirt was expensive, when we having drinks in a bar with a group of people, because he wanted to rip it open.
He's just crazy like that.
Probably somewhat bisexual.
But it more like rowdy students fun to him.
You shouldn't have been parading your tetas around in public like that!
Except that the time and place were rather inappropriate.
Sounds like he just likes to say and perhaps do inappropriate things.
I was just wearing a normal shirt, which had cost about €100 in heavy discount, the normal price was €300. My mother had bought it for me.
@tchrist Exactly.
Something like this, but with cuff links.
And without the button-down stuff.
I was going to call it a red pinstripe buttondown.
14:35
So I do think there may be some link between right-wing populism and sexual intimidation, but it's by no means exclusive to that.
My imagination is far too fertile; these behaviors always leave me really creeped out, even just hearing of them.
This entire discussion is shamelessly parochial. Not sure about the synecdoche, though, @Greybeard; I'm thinking of where H.D.F. Kitto interprets a line from Sophocles, "the whole polis heard," as evidence that that term at least can refer literally to the people as opposed to the land-base or town. Parish as the people thereof can easily be likewise literal, even though imagined lines on the land may define which parish which people are of. — Brian Donovan 1 hour ago
A man in Moscow stripped naked, cut his neighbor woman with a knife, put on a bra, threw his cat from his balcony, then sat on his bicycle and followed after the cat, killing himself. znak.com/2020-10-02/…
Riding on a bicycle from the balcony of an apartment on the 12th floor can be dangerous, even in Russia.
is the cat alright?
No, it's impossible to survive a fall from the 12th floor.
Jump from seven - straight to heaven is the rule of the thumb.
Only very lucky (or unlucky) persons survive after jumping from floor 8.
Perhaps onto a large trampoline.
@tchrist I'm not sure whether polis or parish even refer to the territory primarily?
> ἀκρόπολις, the citadel, Il.6.88, 20.52; which at Athens also was in early times called simply π., while the rest of the city was called ἄστυ
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In my building in Noyabrsk there was a boy who fell from the roof of a 5-storey Soviet apartment building and survived almost unscathed. I was very afraid of him. He constantly tried to get into a fight or intimidate you, and he had empty eyes.
So perhaps the Grundbedeutung of polis was the citadel. Or at least the physical city when it was still limited to the citadel.
@MattE.Эллен Ah!
Terminal velocity after seven storeys.
Nice.
And just across the yard from my house, there lived a boy who when aged 15 killed another boy, aged 7, living in the same building. He took him to the basement, raped him, and killed him. The older boy was from a good well-off family.
He was 15 or 16, I don't recall exactly, but it was horrible.
14:56
Sounds psychopathic.
there was a famous case in the UK similar to that. The Jamie Bulger case. People still talk about it!
My father recalled that it was very scary to walk to school and back in 1953, when Beria released thousands of criminals from labor camps. They killed and raped right and left.
When Stalin died, his chief labor camp authority Beria started the easing of the regime by releasing criminals.
There is a movie titled "The cold summer of 1953" about that period.
The Cold Summer of 1953 (Russian: Холодное лето пятьдесят третьего…, romanized: Kholodnoe leto pyatdesyat tretego) is a 1988 Soviet crime film directed by Aleksandr Proshkin. It was the last film of the Soviet actor Anatoly Papanov. == Plot == Summer 1953. After Stalin's death, one of his closest colleagues, First Deputy Premier and head of the MVD Lavrenty Beria, announces an amnesty for non-political prisoners and for political prisoners sentenced to not more than 5 years. As a result, many dangerous criminals are freed from labor camps. They organise gangs and begin to rob, kill and rape. In...
Why release violent criminals?
In a command economy some decisions get bungled. I'm not sure why he released them. Maybe he wished to curry favor with the population in order to stay in power?
He also wanted to withdraw Soviet army from East Germany, to get to a friendlier plane with the West.
And he wanted to introduce elements of capitalism, allowing people to have bigger plots of land, so that they could feed themselves.
The article says that Beria released many who were given harsh sentences for minor crimes. And the number of released was so big that many criminals got swept along.
15:19
Makes sense.
15:31
why does gmail have so many cersions?
With one account of gmail there can be three versions for it, two on mobile phone and one on laptop.
Two correspondence threads I did in each of two versions of the mobile phone cannot be seen in my laptop.
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Word of the evening: gnotobiotic mice (from gnosis, knowledge)
@CowperKettle Use in a sentence: The gnotobiotic cat stalked and killed the gnotobiotic mice because they knew too much.
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