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12:00 AM
We play some Howard Shore, John Williams and Leigh Harline in duet.
The Chopin and the Oginski and the Bach are for myself. I play in the breaks.
@Robusto well, it's the piano. Bit too late to take lessons for that. The ship has sailed, circumnavigated the globe, remembered that it forgot its keys, came back laden with exotic spice, took its keys and sailed again.
 
@RegDwigнt I took piano lessons when I was older than you are now.
But then, it wasn't my main instrument.
It was a Plan B, in fact.
But a good plan, for all that.
 
Is my point. I've been playing the piano for so long, I have long found and established my style.
Same for the guitar.
 
I still don't have a style.
 
But no idea what my style on the violin may be, so.
 
I bet your style on the violin is "desperate" ...
That's what mine would be.
 
12:05 AM
Well mostly Russian so far. My teacher constantly mentions Oistrakh when I do this thing or that.
 
Russian isn't bad.
 
And I try to pretend I know anything about him at all.
 
I like a lot of Russian recordings, especially for Russian music.
 
David Fyodorovich Oistrakh (30 September [O.S. 17 September] 1908 – 24 October 1974) was a Soviet classical violinist, violist and conductor. Oistrakh collaborated with major orchestras and musicians from many parts of the world and was the dedicatee of numerous violin works, including both of Dmitri Shostakovich's violin concerti and the violin concerto by Aram Khachaturian. He is considered one of the preeminent violinists of the 20th century. == Life and career == === Early years === Oistrakh was born in the cosmopolitan city of Odessa, Ukraine (then part of the Russian Empire), into a Jewish...
 
I know him. Very good fiddler.
 
12:07 AM
I've only heard like one recording of his that I remember. Probably more that I don't, but actually not too likely.
 
How about Igor Markevitch? Russian conductor, does gonzo on Tchaikovsky and other things.
Does or did. Could be dead now.
Other things including Shostakovitch.
 
I remember Gilels and Horowitz and Barenboim and Engerer. And Rostropovich for some reason. Maybe Gould on a good day. These are all the names I remember.
I remember more conductors than pianists. And more composers than conductors.
But violinists? Up until now I didn't even know the instrument existed.
Markevich rings a bell, but it's the same kind of bell that, say, Lev Yashin rings.
 
It's a name that exists with no memories attached.
 
Ah, he's Ukranian.
 
12:12 AM
It's all the same thing.
Tchaikovsky was like half Ukrainian, too. Or so the flagwavers would have us believe.
 
He died in '83. Well, I guess I'm the last to know.
Igor Borisovitch Markevitch (Russian: Игорь Борисович Маркевич, Igor Borisovich Markevich, Ukrainian: Ігор Борисович Маркевич, Ihor Borysovych Markevych; July 27, 1912 – March 7, 1983) was an avant-garde Russian composer and eminent conductor of Ukrainian origin who studied and worked in Paris and became a naturalized Italian and French citizen in 1947 and 1982 respectively. He was commissioned in 1929 for a piano concerto by impresario Serge Diaghilev of the Ballet Russe de Monte Carlo. Markevitch settled in Italy during World War II. After the war, he moved to Switzerland. He had an international...
 
Well avantgarde is the operative word here. Not the kind of music I listen to. Certainly not in 1983.
 
Well I would know names like Fedoseev. People who were conducting contemporary Russian music in Russia.
 
Mmmkay. You're more echt than I.
I used to have a bunch of old Melodya-Angel recordings. Really good stuff.
 
12:17 AM
That's Fedoseev.
I would listen to the LP like every week. My dad's fav.
And now you know why anything I write is always in 3/4.
 
I see where you get your penchant for the Romantic.
@RegDwigнt You're the waltz king.
 
Well, he was a student of Shostakovich's.
Leningrad school.
 
Certainly not Viennese.
Not enough Schmaltz.
Very clean.
 
It's like St Petersburg itself, right on the border of two worlds.
I should give you the whole suite some time. It's wonderful. Nine short symphonic poems. This being the second.
 
I would listen to it.
 
12:23 AM
To this day I can't listen to any recording other than Fedoseev's. I reject any note that is not exactly as I remember it.
It's like an immune reaction. You can't do anything about it.
Same with Gilels, for that matter.
 
I'm the same way about a number of things.
 
Oct 31 '18 at 21:08, by RegDwigнt
To me the best rendition of the 3rd movement of the Moonlight, as well as of the 1st movement of the Pathetique, are the ones by Gilels.
Oct 31 '18 at 21:09, by RegDwigнt
Not even Barenboim comes close in my humble opinion. And I struggle to think of anyone whom I respect more than Barenboim.
 
I can listen to just about anybody's Beethoven, but I insist on certain recordings of Stravinsky.
 
Yeah.
 
Stravinsky is easier to fuck up.
 
12:26 AM
There's lots of acclaimed Chopin interpretations, too. But if there's one by Engerer, all the other ones might as well not exist as far as I am concerned.
 
Yeah. So often "acclaimed" means eccentric.
 
Yes, and especially with Chopin. But that's not what I mean here.
 
I can't listen to Liszt by Lsitsova (sp?) or whatever her name is.
 
Lisitsa.
"Female fox".
 
Yeah. Her. Plays way too fast.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
12:28 AM
Always does with everything.
 
"Yeah, let's just get this the fuck over with. I have a plane to catch."
Lazar Berman was the same.
 
But I went to her concert here back when concerts still existed, and she played 15 previously unpublished pieces by Tchaikovsky, and by piece number 8 I sat in the last row weeping.
 
Liszt, for all his virtuosity, was an incredible musician and composer.
@RegDwigнt She didn't play those too fast?
 
Well, I wouldn't know. Previously unpublished and unrecorded. World premiere.
 
@RegDwigнt You would know. It would sound rushed.
I'm not being flippant.
 
12:31 AM
Well most were very experimental, I must say. Not sure how much of that was due to her and how much due to Tchaikovsky. Quite a lot of it was due to Tchaikovsky. I could tell from the notes. Also the Steinway had some issues with the pedal I think. But maybe that was just me.
But the number eight was called three Russian romances or some such, and the moment she started playing I started welling up. And then sat in the last row crying like a toddler.
That was Tchaikovsky alright.
 
@RegDwigнt Yeah. He can do that to you.
I played in his Symphony No. 6 and I got totally swept up in it. Like a roller-coaster ride.
And I'm not talking about the tempo. The music.
 
Yeah well. It was the golden age of melodies. People knew their shit.
 
Like the second movement, Allegro con grazia in 5/4. Even while I was counting 5/4 it didn't feel like counting, if you know what I mean. It just flowed.
 
But anyway. You take Lisitsa's Moonlight and it's like yeah no whatever.
And then you take Lisitsa's Chopin 48 No 1, and then you take Engerer's Chopin 48 No 1, and then you throw Lisitsa's away and only listen to Engerer.
 
I don't believe I've heard Engerer.
 
12:38 AM
I have just the right video for you, then.
And you should listen to it all.
Suits me fine as well for it's almost 3 am and I must be off.
 
I will.
And have a good night.
 
Thank you.
And thank you.
 
Flights of angels, etc., etc.
 
Likewise.
Nighty-night.
 
/nod
 
 
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2:06 AM
Hey everyone.
I'm looking for an example of an English word which is so rare that it usually occurs as a typo of some other more common word.
Like, if "teh" were a very rare English word, then it would count, since, although it (in this hypothetical) occurs very rarely as an actual usage of the word "teh", it occurs reasonably commonly as a typo of "the".
I think I have an example: "wont". It's uncommon as an actual usage of the word "wont", but common as a misspelling of "won't".
Another example might be "wen", but I can't say that I've commonly seen that as a misspelling of "when".
 
Sounds like a valid example.
How about begging?
I suppose it is more common than wont, let alone wen.
 
Is that commonly a typo?
 
It is for me hehe.
 
But I think cant is aequal to wont.
 
2:13 AM
Yup, I like that one too.
Anyway, my point in looking for such words is to demonstrate that when determining whether or not a word is a misspelling, looking for it in a dictionary is often inadequate.
 
And it seems wat is a word...
Indeed.
 
On the one hand, that won't mark "cant" and "wont" as misspellings even if they are.
 
I think programmes like Word would mark cant and wont as misspellings just because their general frequency is low?
 
On the other hand, it will result in, say, "nonhomeomorphically" being marked as a misspelling (as Firefox did to me just now), even though that word is certainly spelled correctly.
 
Oh, you meant anomoeomorphically?
 
2:16 AM
(Although "non-homeomorphically" is more common... and also marked as a misspelling.)
Who?
 
Her.
 
That one does look like a misspelling :D
A misspelling of what, I have no idea.
 
I changed your Latin praefix into a more fitting Greek one.
I removed the h, as it is often not in compounds.
And I wrote oe instead of e, which I think is more proper.
 
Hmmm, I see.
 
Homoeoteleuton.
My spelling checker doesn't even know that one.
 
2:21 AM
Now, I must say that I do like mixing Latin and Greek roots.
I like to call the process rhizomixture.
 
2:34 AM
@RegDwigнt: I actually have heard Engerer before. But this is a stupendous compendium you've linked.
Jul 19 '18 at 14:26, by Robusto
@RegDwigнt Yes, Engerer. She always finds the music, doesn't she?
I can't remember from one comment to the next what I've said in this chat, or anywhere. So I wind up repeating myself. Drives my kids nuts. Well, that's what parents are for.
 
and, as they say, repetition is the mother of learning
> “Repetition is the mother of learning, the father of action, which makes it the architect of accomplishment.”
-Zig Ziglar
 
2:58 AM
@TerranSwett Blaah!
 
don't latin and ancient greek mix well?
 
3:15 AM
It is nicer not to.
 
3:28 AM
@Robusto I'm starting to get Kent State vibes. Not even Rodney King did that for me.
It's been just over 50 years exactly.
 
then why are they usually taught along side each other? @Cerberus
 
@aperspicaciouslycuriousmind Because they share many aspects of grammar, including similarities in their nominal declensions, that you would not see studying most major modern languages. And Latin borrowed much from Greek as well.
 
@tchrist but he said
17 mins ago, by Cerberus
It is nicer not to.
 
It is nicer not to create heteroclitic terms derived of one part Greek and the other Latin.
 
hmm, makes sense now; thanx
 
3:36 AM
A hybrid word or hybridism is a word that etymologically derives from at least two languages. == Common hybrids == The most common form of hybrid word in English combines Latin and Greek parts. Since many prefixes and suffixes in English are of Latin or Greek etymology, it is straightforward to add a prefix or suffix from one language to an English word that comes from a different language, thus creating a hybrid word. Hybridisms were formerly often considered to be barbarisms. == English examples == Aquaphobia – from Latin aqua "water" and Greek φοβία (phobia) "fear"; this term is distinguished...
 
it does sound a bit "puritian"
 
Monoglot vs monolingual vs unilingual.
 
given, as you said, how many similarities there are between them; restricting hybrid words would interfere with the transfer of learning, no?
or, at the least, slow it down
 
We do this all the time: unreducible vs irreducible.
 
indeed, hence the confusion
 
3:45 AM
The native English prefix for negation is the Germanic un-. But reducible comes from Latin, which used the cognate ir- here. (The negator always geminated the first consonant.)
You would say unreadable or illegible but how do you feel about unlegible?
See the issue?
 
hmm, true
do you see my issue?
 
Which one? I haven't read the scrollback.
 
9 mins ago, by a perspicaciously curious mind
given, as you said, how many similarities there are between them; restricting hybrid words would interfere with the transfer of learning, no?
these kinds of idioms will always slow down the learning process
 
Well, you don't "restrict" things. People with sensitivity to these issues will coin the terms that they feel produce aesthetic harmony. People who don't care about it will create whatever palabrotas that strike their own fancy.
Oops, I mixed languages. Mea culpa.
> Kyrie,

I eulogize the archons of the Panethnic Numismatic Thesaurus and the Ecumenical Trapeza for the orthodoxy of their axioms, methods and policies, although there is an episode of cacophony of the Trapeza with Hellas.

With enthusiasm we dialogue and synagonize at the synods of our didymous Organizations in which polymorphous economic ideas and dogmas are analyzed and synthesized.

Our critical problems such as the numismatic plethora generate some agony and melancholy. This phenomenon is characteristic of our epoch. But, to my thesis, we have the dynamism to program therapeutic prac
Does that transfer enhance learning?
 
Recall is a lot easier when you can use transfer.
 
4:00 AM
Et honi soit qui mal y pense.
It's very late for me. I can barely keep my eyes open. I can't hope to reason coherently.
 
np, thanks for the lesson :-)
 
4:33 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Have lived or lived? by mucilagiuww on english.SE
 
 
5 hours later…
9:53 AM
Read my comment
Hachi has changed name
I got another downvote...
I suspect Hachi uses two accounts
I've been getting two consecutive downvotes for a while
What should I do? This is really annoying now...
 
 
1 hour later…
11:05 AM
@Robusto yeah well. She lived and died in Paris, but studied piano for ten years in Moscow as a kid. Probably not the worst possible mix for getting Chopin, who himself was torn between France and Poland.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:59 PM
@tchrist I remember it well. I had picked up a woman who was singing at a bar in Old Town in Chicago and we spent a great night at her place. The next morning as I was leaving I saw a newspaper on the front porch with the headline. The date was May 5, which means it had happened on my sister's birthday the day before.
@DecapitatedSoul I don't know what to do, other than to file a complaint with wherever you file a complaint for that sort of thing. Bring it up on Meta and probably one of the mods will know.
The fact that your bare comment got 3 upvotes and the answer -2 (-1 now, I took care of it) lends credence to it being some kind of vendetta voting.
 
1:26 PM
Thanks @Robusto. I will file a complaint... but let's wait and collect more downvotes :)
I got 3 UVs on that answer.... (that question has got 2 close votes and I think both of them are Hachi's. We need 3 more close votes so we'll be able to see who the second close voter is.)
 
@DecapitatedSoul I just voted to close. Just needs two more.
 
I did too.
Need another CV from someone we know
Cerberus is online...
 
2:21 PM
@DecapitatedSoul I looked back in that person's comment history and the original name might have been Saturana, FWIW.
But apparently went to user###### quite early, and changed the number often.
 
2:32 PM
Oh
Thanks Robusto :) You're always helpful!
One thing is certain, this user is obsessed with reputation... and it'll get him nowhere
 
 
5 hours later…
7:44 PM
Aaaaand here comes the hero...
@DecapitatedSoul You were close
 
@Gigili, Closed by user121863, Jason Bassford, Robusto, Decapitated Soul, Gigili
Hm
It means his another account is less than 3k
 
8:04 PM
Why would he need another account?
 
So now @DecapitatedSoul got suspended for voting irregularities? How does that figure?
@Gigili: Know anything about that?
 
@Robusto raises eyebrows really?
 
Check it out.
From all appearances, he was more sinned against than sinning.
But I dunno.
Does he have a sock puppet account?
 
8:19 PM
@Robusto Maybe he serial downvoted an enemy?
 
Not sure if that is a suspension-level offense.
 
@Robusto Perhaps he got angry and did something in that regard? I just followed you on the matter without even thinking about it
I'm shocked.
 
@Gigili Followed me? I just voted to close.
But yeah, I'm kinda shocked too.
 
8:25 PM
@Robusto Well, yes, that one plus upvoting his answer.
 
Yes.
He's been very concerned with rep, perhaps to a degree that is not healthy.
 
I’ve got a feeling tonight is going to suck
Oh haha, free downloadable coloring book: ukie.org.uk/free-colouring-book-download
 
Win!
 
 
3 hours later…
11:02 PM
@Robusto Well, let's wait until he can say something about it. If he wishes to
 
11:26 PM
@tchrist yeah well, Kent State settled for $600k for all the victims and that was the end of it.
And this time there's only one victim, so his brother will get a cheque for $20k and everyone will forget about it.
> The guardsmen claimed to have fired in self-defense, testimony that was generally accepted by the criminal justice system.
(I didn't watch the entire video of the current incident, because I'm not insane, but from the bits aired on the German prime-time news it's obvious enough that the policeman in question was simply defending himself against the handcuffed unarmed civilian laying on the ground and dying.)
Black lives do not matter. If they did, you wouldn't have to put it on a poster. It'd be self-evident.
2
Nobody puts "I'm wearing a T-shirt" on a poster.
 
11:49 PM
This is why athletes take a knee during the national anthem.
 

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