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Robusto

01:19

24 hours ago, by Robusto

@DanielRigg Try blurt.

You can lead a horse to water ...

@DanielRigg Are you a bot?

Daniel Rigg

no

Robusto

Well, you don't seem to understand the most basic vocabulary concepts.

Cerberus

01:47

@Færd Yeah, OK, that looks and sounds rather bad.

@RegDwigнt That's probably a big part of it, yes...

Money Oriented Programmer

08:15

I found a sentence "the object's state does not observably change." What does it mean?

A: The object changes but we cannot see the change.

B: The object does not change in an observable way.

Thank you.

If you answer my question above, please notify me or ping me. :-)

M.A.R.

08:26

@CowperKettle I never knew it either

M.A.R.

09:07

@MoneyOrientedProgrammer Uh, what's the difference between A and B?

The gist is we don't know if something changed or not, 'cause we didn't see it

Money Oriented Programmer

09:37

@M.A.R. Of course A differs from B no matter we can see it or not.

M.A.R.

37 mins ago, by M.A.R.

The gist is we don't know if something changed or not, 'cause we didn't see it

It's the scientific way of putting things.

You're not saying an animal doesn't behave a certain way, but that you didn't see it. You're not saying certain patients are more vulnerable to Sars, but that you didn't find a correlation

Money Oriented Programmer

10:00

@M.A.R.: OK. Thank you. It is enough for today. :-)

M.A.R.

10:29

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Q: Does dry air promote the spreading of respiratory viruses better than wet air, ceteris paribus?

A DW article states that Air humidity also influences the transmissibility of respiratory viruses. Once the pathogens have been expelled from the respiratory tract with a strong sneeze, they literally hang in the air. "On cold and usually dry winter days, the small droplets, together with the...

This one is a good question

CowperKettle

12:53

> the decision to prescribe the investigational drug is made simultaneously with the decision to get the subject enrolled in the clinical research;

Is get the subject enrolled of the same meaning with enroll the subject?

CowperKettle

13:19

> Medicinal product – a product that contains a substance or a combination of substances intended for the treatment and prevention of human diseases, or the restoration, correction or alteration of physiological functions through a pharmacological, immunological or metabolic effect, or the diagnosis of human diseases and conditions.

Which is better here - diagnosis or diagnostics?

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle -nosis

Eugene

14:09

Good day everyone.

Robusto

Howdy.

Eugene

I have a bit of an issue with proper usage of a word foothold. My initial sentence looks like this "Main focus is Web Development with strong foothold on/in [LANGUAGE] and all things related."

Robusto

Use in there.

Eugene

foothold in, understood.

Robusto

But use of foothold means you have not mastered [LANGUAGE].

Eugene

14:12

I understand. I haven't.

Robusto

I personally have a foothold in Python, but nobody would hire me for that language until I show its use in a major project.

Eugene

thumbs-up

:)

Robusto

Nowadays, in web development, employers seem to want three years of Angular or React or [FRAMEWORK], so you have to show what you've done. They'll also ask you a lot of pointed questions on how to do things in whatever framework.

They'll also be asking about your understanding of JavaScript latest, etc.

Eugene

I understand. I already have a job. For many years now. Was just updating information on my blog about myself. Was quite outdated.

Yep. Angular and React. You are correct.

Robusto

That's blogs for you. They just don't update themselves, do they? ^_^

Eugene

14:17

Uhhh. They are the worst.

Robusto

Nobody seems to want both Angular and React unless they're about to switch frameworks.

And the source control battle is over and git won. I don't know anybody who uses hg anymore, as nice as it is.

Eugene

I would say it depends on specifics of a company.

1. Company developing own product
2. Company winning projects gov/3rd sector and implementing them.

Robusto

Of course.

I'm generalizing.

Eugene

I see.

Robusto

It certainly doesn't hurt to show skills in multiple areas.

Eugene

14:22

source control varia may still exist in legacy projects, but even they are slowly dying out

Robusto

Well, thank the stars if you don't have to use ClearCase. Keerist.

I never liked Subversion either.

Eugene

Don't get me wrong. Git is the way to go.

Robusto

14:41

Oh, I wasn't pigeonholing you as a git antagonist. It seems like everyone has been using it for at least five or six years now.

Eugene

14:59

Okay :)

Robusto

15:22

I'm probably going out on a limb with this analogy, but git is like a high-maintenance girlfriend, very sexy but demanding your attention more than is perhaps necessary. Mercurial is like a slightly overweight girlfriend who just wants to do things for you.

Someone else analogized git as MacGyver, hg as James Bond.

Mitch

15:51

@Robusto I get the MacGyver/git analogy, but not the James Bond/hg one.

Robusto

Me neither.

Mitch

The girl friend one though... -very- high-maintenance

Robusto

James Bond didn't always seem like he just wanted to help.

@Mitch -very-high-maintenance ... isn't that a git directive?

Mitch

he got things done?

by shooting people in the face?

Robusto

Or the heart. Don't forget the heart.

Mitch

15:54

That seems very gitish too though.

"I was just push one file and it all fell apart"

Robusto

git Chiefly Br. slang An unpleasant, contemptible, or frustratingly obtuse person.

Mitch

(I was comfortable with svm)

Robusto

You mean svn.

Mitch

haha

so long ago

Robusto

Subversion was tolerable. But ClearCase was a nightmare. Glad those days are over.

Mitch

15:57

or filev1.java, filev2,java, file2a.java, file2abak.java, file2bbak.2.java...

what was ClearCase? Is that like Visual Source Safe?

Robusto

It was an alternative to that. I only had to use it at one job, but it was tedious and frustrating.

Mitch

One file, one backup from a year ago, no tests, compile only after every total rewrite, deploy straight to production.

Robusto

If we extend the girlfriends analogy a bit further, ClearCase is your ex-girlfriend who is suing you for palimony while keeping your stereo and trashing you to your friends.

Mitch

I'm so impressed with mechanical engineering, like with assembly lines converting over to making surgical masks over night. How is that even possible?

Robusto

Yeah, especially if they were making end loaders and backhoes the day before.

Mitch

16:01

Exactly.

Unless I'm seeing cobbled together youtube videos that only claim to be repurposing.

Robusto

The problem comes when some tester with COVID-19 coughs into the masks by way of testing them.

> It might be useful to point out that the Republicans have become a fascist organization like the Church of Scientology, only instead of L. Ron Hubbard as their savior they have chosen Ayn Rand, whose religious texts The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged serve as their Old and New Testaments.

Mitch

They probably have a mister blow droplets with dye at them.

Robusto

I think that analogy works.

Mitch

@Robusto That's been the case since... forever?

Robusto

Well, for the last 40 years or so. It wasn't true in the Eisenhower days.

Mitch

16:05

or the conservative/libertarian leaning?

@Robusto Those were the ...god ... what's that guys name?

the intellectual from Yale?

Robusto

Republicans are just a lot of True Believers now. They're worse than communist cadres, falling over themselves trying to have the "correct line."

Mitch

with the fake midatlantic accent

Robusto

@Mitch Buckley?

Mitch

yeah that guy

Robusto

He would be appalled by today's Republican party.

But he was intellectually dishonest as well.

Mitch

16:07

It's like wishing for the good ole days of GWH

"at least he had principles" or "was trying" or "cared about looking like a public servant"

hey look at me maw! I'm talking politics!

git is like Elon Musk, hg is like ... Larry Ellison (Oracle)?

git is like Johnny Depp, hg is like Tobey McGuire?

Robusto

git is like a lemon souffle, hg is like penny loafers.

Mitch

git is like Bitcoin, hg is like a Swiss Bank account

Robusto

git is like a sand dollar at the bottom of lagoon, hg is like your brother's motorcycle.

Mitch

@Robusto a penny loafer won't fall down in the oven if someone slams the car door outside

git is like your mom, hg is like mine

Robusto

@Mitch Well, you don't know that. Try putting a penny loafer in the oven sometime.

Mitch

16:14

@Robusto puts loafer in over

pulls out loafer

Robusto

waits for results

Mitch

removes penny

puts loafer back in

Robusto

laughs at foolish microwave use

Mitch

Sometimes I put things in the microwave and sort of look away a little bit just in case.

Robusto

1 min ago, by Robusto

laughs at foolish microwave use

Mitch

16:17

like...is that bowl with the gold-colored painted rim... is that gonna...

whew...no.

Mitch

16:55

@Robusto twitter.com/strangeharbors/status/1241057919128526856

> THREAD: I mostly talk about movies on here, but here goes. We are currently pivoting our factory to solely make surgical masks and other medical garments in short supply. We can make 2 million masks a day, and are looking to help in any way possible during this time. #COVID19

M.A.R.

Well that's a movie too

Mitch

You'd think software would be able to pivot so much more easily. But it's like assembly lines can just turn a knob and go from making children's toys to airplane engine parts?

M.A.R.

You're still in the match

@Mitch airplane engine parts are only adult toys

Mitch

17:25

@M.A.R. no doubt, but they're shaped differently. You can't just adjust a few screws on a metal stamping press to go from a barbie doll to a carburetor manifold.

I mean you totally can if you've got a 3-d printer, but most factories are not 3-d printers.

yet!

more importantly:

Rendevous C'était un Rendez vous 1976

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a car cam (1970's style) drive through of Paris in August (when everyone is one vacation) at dawn Sunday morning (of the few people left, no one is awake then).

Robusto

18:46

@Mitch Weird.

@Mitch I guess that's where they got the idea for the car chase in Ronin. (Well, one of them.)

Ronin Car Chase (1998) HD

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RegDwigнt

21:42

RIP Kenny Rogers.

Aug 15 '19 at 9:49, by RegDwigнt

Kenny Rogers - The Gambler

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Mitch

21:57

@Robusto Yeah that's excellent. For a straightforward action movie, it has a lot of very small but great little pieces.

@Robusto I was reminded of the scene in th French Connection which was famous for being the first and single take. But with lots more cars on the road.

The French Connection (film)

The French Connection is a 1971 American neo noir action thriller film directed by William Friedkin. The screenplay, written by Ernest Tidyman, is based on Robin Moore's 1969 non-fiction book The French Connection. It tells the story of New York Police Department detectives Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle and Buddy "Cloudy" Russo, whose real-life counterparts were Narcotics Detectives Eddie Egan and Sonny Grosso, in pursuit of wealthy French heroin smuggler Alain Charnier. The film stars Gene Hackman as Popeye, Roy Scheider as Cloudy, and Fernando Rey as Charnier. Tony Lo Bianco and Marcel Bozzuffi also star...

And the Claude LeLouche short was from 1976

I think it all started in the stage coach chase scene in the operatic adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo (Music by Gounod, Libretto by de Maupassant).

Wait!

There's the chariot scene in Aristophanes' The Clouds.

Wait!

There's the horse chase in the Epic of Gilgamesh, where Enkidu has to ride from underneath the horse.

Wait!

There's the stone rolling scene in Grog vs Thag.

Wait! There's the teeth baring scene in Fa and Nu Go Wild.

RegDwigнt

22:13

@Mitch for a single take, it did have fifty cuts too many.

Might as well claim The Fellowship of the Ring was filmed in a single take.

Robusto

23:42

@RegDwigнt Ha, no shit.

@Mitch It was pretty well done, all things considered.

@RegDwigнt He just dropped in to see what condition his condition was in.

I think he got mixed up with Jackie Treehorn.

BTW, happy belated Vernal Equinox, everybody. It came early this year, earliest in a century. Took us by surprise, which isn't easy considering all we have to do is pay attention.

Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)

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Daniel Rigg

What does having mixed feelings of uncertainty mean?

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