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@Cerberus The cute one in the red hat!
Red hat?
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What else do the teenagers have to do with school out?
Jesus fuck Tom are you okay. Is it the corona.
Nope, a little off my rocker, actually.
Nightmare code. Cracked me.
You promised to take LSD not crack.
00:04
No, I told you to take two tabs and call me in the morning with your synaesthesia reporting.
I read a story of a bunch of red-zone teenagers in Italy with beer bottles in hand kicking around the park somewhere.
But it's all gone red now.
They were bored. Man, I so wish I were bored.
Oh right, I promised you LSD.
But I will need some of it right back to even just look at the doge. He's so spacey.
@tchrist as Death himself put it, "in a universe full of wonders, human beings manage to invent boredom".
I'm sure you, too, will be able to invent it.
00:30
Format test.
@Færd I guess the Prophet specified that hand for shit-wiping, then, because it is inferior.
Prophets tend to occupy themselves with things important.
Prophets tend to not occupy themselves at all.
Get a proper job.
That, too.
00:46
@RegDwigнt I've tried. All I could get was this prophet gig. If I was better than a half-ass prophet I'd have seen it coming.
/sobs
00:59
That one's sorted on the third column in yellow, but take a gander at the last column: it's a normalization via cases per million.
That makes the USA scores look infinitesimal.
That's what worries me.
It does seem to account for the general nonchalance here.
Damn, I can remember when the population of the US was 180 million. Now it's almost double that.
We've been doubling every two to three days. Five days doubles twice.
We'll have thousands of cases by the end of this week.
Maybe a couple.
Spain looks in trouble.
Our apparent current case fatality rate is 3.89%. That probably means we either aren't detecting most of the cases, or the ones we do detect we're not taking good enough care of to keep them alive.
That's of course not a "real" CFR, just a throw-around working number.
> Count no man happy until the end is known.
Herodotus.
Nothing new under the sun.
We aren't counting cases whose ends are known.
Only some ends, not the rest.
And maybe the Trump administration will squelch real reporting on this.
01:12
They try, yes.
I can't see how anything they're trying to do right now to calm the nosediving markets can possibly do any good.
The problem is not that we don't have enough money.
So giving us more money will not address the problem.
@tchrist From the tale of Kleobis and Biton in Herodotos.
James Joyce purloined that for his final story in Dubliners, "The Dead."
The super-sad thing about Italy is that even though they've just today gone to full national lockdown, there's a week or two's worth of already-launched torpedoes already on a guaranteed course. So it will be a week or two before this helps, if it does. In the mean time, there are at least 2, maybe 4 or 5 doubles to go for them. AND THAT IS IF THIS EVEN WORKS!
I guess that's true for all of us, but we aren't doing much yet, so we'll be a month or six weeks behind before anything we do will lower the torpedoes launched daily.
It seems to have worked in Wuhan/Hubei/China. I don't know. They've done more than we'll ever do.
And in Korea.
And possibly Japan.
I don't know how strong the measures in those two places are. Japan in particular worries me, even though Korea appears rather worse but getting less so.
Remember also that there may be a delayed effect in Italy: the current increase may be mostly of people who caught the virus before most of the government measures were in place. The measures taken two weeks ago may come into effect only now.
01:20
Korea does seem to be beating it back:
Exactly.
Holland has zero recovered patients so far.
But it seems we have stopped our daily doubling of infections.
@Cerberus That's what worries me.
Italy may soon plateau.
Or not.
We have no idea.
They have the highest CPM right now.
Cases Per Million.
@Cerberus You mean they all died?
01:22
Yeah.
@Robusto No, latency.
But, if Hubei were a country, it would have many more CPM.
That's right.
And I think Hubei is doing remarkably well right now, considering.
Sorry, got the reference wrong. Someone moved the page.
@Robusto Depends on your definition of "they all"!
01:23
Meaning all of them died.
All of whom?
Did you know they've isolated two different strains already now? The one initially in Wuhan appears to be more lethal.
Ah.
And where is that strain now?
2 mins ago, by Cerberus
Holland has zero recovered patients so far.
That's what Rob meant.
@Cerberus "Holland has zero recovered patients so far" is an ambiguous statement.
01:24
I know.
@Cerberus Well, it's still there.
But I think he is making invalid assumptions.
I am poking holes in your ambiguity.
@tchrist It hasn't been competed out by the milder strain?
@Robusto We got our first case a little over a week ago.
321 cases now.
01:25
None of which have recovered yet, but only four have died so far.
> The investigators of a recent study, published in National Science Review, used SARS-CoV-2 genomic data and uncovered that there appears to be 2 major types of the virus in circulation— the L and S type. The S type is ancestral, and the L type evolved from the S type.
@Cerberus So you're just waiting for the wooden shoes to drop?
> While the S type is the ancestral type, the L type was found to be more prevalent. The L type made up 70% of the 103 sequenced strains, whereas the S type made up 30%. It is not yet clear whether the L type evolved in humans or in zoonotic intermediary hosts.
@Robusto Hah. No, the large majority will of course recover.
> The team found that the L type was most prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, China. After early January, the frequency of L type started to decrease.

“Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure,” the study authors explained.
It probably means nothing, or is an accident of sampling.
01:30
Interesting.
> The finding that the coronavirus mutates into two strains with the L strain leading to more severe disease "is most likely a statistical artifact," Richard Neher, a biologist and physicist at the University of Basel in Switzerland wrote...
Hmm.
I suppose 103 is not many.
It is not.
Right now only Italy has four-figures of new daily cases. Wasn't long ago that that was happening in Korea, then before that for a long time, China.
Meanwhile, apparently the go-to prophylaxis is to buy large quantities of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
@Robusto Soap works better.
01:33
We have none of that 'hamstering' here.
@Cerberus What, none? Is everyone in your country just way too hipster for that?
The CDC today said that if you're 60 or over, or with comorbidities, you need to be careful and stick around the house.
@Robusto I don't know, but people just aren't too concerned.
Isn't that how Michael Jackson died, too much prophylaxis? :/
Or perhaps some are in the south; I don't know.
01:35
Well, I'm already coming down with something. Swollen glands, tight cough. Not sure what it is, but so far the only measures I'm taking are not to ride my bike, or at least not strenuously. I doubt it's COVID-19.
@tchrist When I saw that line, immediately a melody and lyrics popped up in my mind. But I had no idea what artist or what song. Turned out it was Smooth Criminal.
How strange the subconscious is.
@Robusto I have a bit of sinus infection. It's all above the jawline.
@Robusto Umm but then how will you wrap yourself in loo paper three layers thick?
So not something to be worried about.
Just to be sure, better not get close to people.
01:37
@Cerberus I'll ask a toilet-roll engineer, of course.
Engineer?
Joke.
Rob, every time you bump into somebody, Cerb bumps into two thousand somebodies.
Good thing he's just a teenager.
Yeah. I've been in a couple of stores and a couple of coffee shops. That's it.
Go to the store at 6 or 7 am, if you can.
Don't get worn down.
01:39
Yeah. I would have to go to the stores ten times to put up Amsterdam numbers.
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A healthy amount of exercise provides an overall “boost” to the immune system (to the extent that you can really “boost” something as complex as immunity). But did you know that overdoing it actually reduces immune function? Endurance athletes (like marathon runners, distance swimmers, and triathletes) have notably depressed immunity, especially when it comes to upper respiratory tract infections (like colds). And when these elite athletes do get colds, their symptoms tend to last longer and be more severe.
So I may have amped up my performance too quickly. A week ago I was on my fifth day of riding with no rest days. I went to six days, and after that I started feeling my glands fill up.
But the weather was nice!
And I only did a total of about 250 miles!
It was genuinely warm here yesterday.
Well, there are people at work and in the supermarket, yes.
But otherwise I travel by bike, so I don't get close to people.
And of course there will be people on social occasions.
So I don't know whether I 'bump into' more people than you do.
@tchrist Tom, get your camera and go outside NOW. The super-moon is absolutely astonishing.
01:48
Narrow band of cloud running through its middle.
Looks like dawn.
There's some haze here, but you can still make out features.
My phone doesn't do it justice. Where's that DSLR I keep threatening to buy?
Now quick look the other way, the brightest of angels.
Éalá Éarendel,          engla beorhtast,
ofer middangeard        monnum sended,
ond sóðfæsta            sunnan léoma,
torht ofer tunglas,     þú tída gehwane
of sylfum þé            symle inlíhtes!
Venus is a beacon.
As usual.
Can't make up its mind between Morning Star and Evening Star laurels.
But it does get to about 60° above the horizon at its highest.
I think it's still like six weeks from full, too.
> April 27, 2020 — Greatest illumination. Venus is now at the pinnacle of its great brilliance, shining at magnitude –4.7. It is so bright now that it can be seen easily with the naked eye in a deep blue, haze-free afternoon sky. It continues to approach the Earth while appearing to curve back in toward the sun in our sky. In a telescope it is now a big, beautiful crescent that grows larger and thinner with each passing night. The crescent can now be glimpsed even in steadily held binoculars.
> When Venus displays a full (or nearly full) disk, it appears relatively small. Conversely, when it appears very large, it's a very narrow crescent. Right now though, we're at the midpoint between these two extremes; hence the term "Greatest Illuminated Extent." Venus now stands 42 million miles from the Earth and on April 30 its disk will be 25 percent illuminated. It now appears nearly 40 percent larger in size than it did just one month ago.
Strange.
Well, it's inside our orbit so we never see its full face. Can't.
Guess the author:
> "They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test."
Or this:
> "I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, 'How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President."
02:04
@Robusto Our star bars her face from us.
Correct.
At opposition, he shall have no gods before him.
Helios is a jealous god.
On Venus, he rises in the West not the East.
It is a strange world.
@tchrist And if you're there to see it you're probably already dead.
02:12
> The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.
Soon enough this trouble shall pass, but she will ever hang there above us.
@Robusto just got a private message from someone.
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あちらで返信が上手く出来ないのでこちらから失礼します。

初めまして。
プロフィールを拝見させていただきました。沢山趣味(?)があってとても素敵ですね!ロシア人ピアニストだなんてすごくcoolです!
I don't suppose that's the one I've been seeking?
No, not with cool.
@RegDwigнt He's just saying he's happy to meet you, and sorry because he can't give a good reply(?). He apparently noticed your many hobbies in your profile and rather idolizes you as a Russian pianist ロシア人(ピアニスト "RoshyajinPEE-AH-NISU-TO)
I am looking for a polite way of saying, in Japanese, that they are welcome to continue writing to me in Japanese, but that I won't be able to return the favor, if only for the fear that even the tiniest mistake can very easily come across as offensive, with no offence meant on my part.
@Robusto yes, I know. Which is sort of my point. My passive knowledge plus Google Translate are fine. My active knowledge is non-existent.
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I'm sorry here because I can't reply well there.

Nice to meet you.
I saw your profile. There are many hobbies (?) And it's very nice! It's so cool to be a Russian pianist!
That's what GT gets me. I can work with that. They won't be able to work with what it gives me to send them.
(FYI, the here-there distinction is public on the forums vs private messages. That's what he means by that.)
I wouldn't translate 素敵 as "very nice" ... more like wonderful or lovely.
Self-introductions are complicated in Japanese, by the way. He's going way out on a limb, but maybe that is the current generation breaking strictures.
02:22
He's a new user that came to the public site, and posted, in English, that he's Japanese and looking to meet new people. Everyone welcomed him, some folks in Japanese. Including myself who could muster a "doumo, alex des, hajimemashite".
In fact why am I paraphrasing, you can read it here: musescore.com/groups/piano/discuss/5059182
Anyway. I'm off to bed, so you don't have to do it now or really ever. But I figured I might as well ask.
Cheers and good night.
Well, how's this:
Damn, you left before I could give it to you. It's not A+ work, but it should communicate what you need.
@RegDwigнt メッセージありがとうございます。あなたとのさらなるコミュニケーションは大歓迎です。日本語が下手なので、残念ながら英語に頼らざるを得ません。すみませんが、それはあなたに受け入れられますか?
I'm telling him you thank him for his message and would very much welcome further communication. Then I explain that because your Japanese sucks, you will have to rely on English. You apologize for your manifest shortcomings and ask him if that will be acceptable.
@tchrist Sam shoulda been a poet.
 
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@tchrist A nice map.
05:48
@Cerberus It is. I'm surprised they've put that much together. There aren't many surviving historical records from that time and place, and I don't know that there are any in the indigenous tongues (not Greek, Phoenician etc).
We get glimpses of the Celtiberian substrate. But not much more that I'm aware of.
06:11
How do I name a form line where information about the person's children (if any) is to be provided? "Information on chidren"?
 
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07:37
> In accordance with Art. 30 of the Treaty on the Eurasian Economic Union dd May 29, 2014
Is this some formulation I'm not aware of?
I thought we always used the preposition of here
08:00
Is Biden's mental decline not in plain sight now? How can anyone put their bet on him in the race against Trump?
Now it's the Dem's turn to gaslight the people into believing he can fare okay. The bipartisan project of gaslighting the population carries on with renewed force.
08:26
Can we say ""regardless of the alphabetical order"", or should we omit the?
 
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@Robusto perfect. Thank you very much.
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@Mitch The Italian subtitles are a good touch.
14:20
@tchrist And sunrise/set take a loooong time. A full day on Venus takes about 245 Earth days.
@CowperKettle The article is optional there.
 
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> de dato
16:52
@tchrist Currently, 4% of all hospital employees in the province of Brabant are infected.
That is not good.
 
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Q: What is the reason of defining multiple meanings of a single word?

JbeanFor example: the word - "legend" has below two meanings as a noun. a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated. an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field. Why not just have another word for the different meaning. Does it s...

I am so tired of this life.
How can you even get on the Internet without realizing — and many many years in advance, mind — that the words get, can, on all have fifty different meanings.
How can you pick legend as an example. Have you never noticed it about the word go. Or the word a. Or the word word.
19:19
OK, I'm trying to think of a trope and my memory is failing me. Here's the structure, with a placeholder for the verb(s): "He verbs best who verbs least." No jokes please. I simply can't think of the actual quote, if it is a quote.
@RegDwigнt I'm guessing his name is short for Jellybean.
I was going to comment on his name. How he couldn't use it, because it already had a different meaning.
Someone upvoted, bringing him back to zero. I nipped that in the bud.
It also means explanatory text on a graph or map, and no doubt many other things. What exactly is your point? — Robusto 1 min ago
@Robusto COCA literally has zero hits. WTF.
Certainly someone has used that construction with some verbs at least once.
@RegDwigнt inorite
I know it is a thing, but I can't specifically say what thing.
Like even if I go _v* best * _v* least it gives me very, very little.
What am I missing.
That cannot possibly be right.
19:27
I just want to know I'm not crazy, or that I didn't get thoughts bled in from some parallel universe (which sometimes seems to happen).
Hmm, governs sounds promising.
I don't think you're crazy. Well I do. But not in regard to this one thing.
You have to choose your battles.
> The quote can be found in Henry David Thoreau's essay entitled Civil Disobedience published in 1849. However the quote is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but there is no writing suggesting Jefferson actually said it.

> [Edit: Indeed Jefferson did NOT coin this phrase. This motto (originally "The best government is that which governs least") was in fact that of the monthly periodical of the mid-19th century called "United States Magazine and Democratic Review," it is a most excellent read too. Archives can be found in the Cornell Library.
Yeah, Civil Disobedience is it:
> I HEARTILY ACCEPT THE MOTTO,—“That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more readily and systematically.
But it's not in the same form as verbs best that verbs least.
Maybe I supplied that.
Well I can see the problem here. Nowadays they reword that for the millennials. Like, the SE mod agreement literally starts by saying the same thing. But it uses the words "What should a mod do? As little as possible!"
I'm so glad I'm not a moderator.
No, you have no idea how glad you are.
19:32
I have a pretty good imagination. Remember the flailing and the screaming from yesterday?
Oh yeah that was good.
You fell and screamed.
A+++ would watch again.
Thank you.
And that was only in my mind. You should see me flail and scream for real.
BTW, the chick in front definitely blew her dismount from the handstand, bumping the other girl in the chest.
Which caused the fall.
I watched it a couple times but couldn't make out the cause.
My mind is good for doing analytics about as much as it is good for doing imagination.
No need for analysis, you can watch it unfold in realtime, or in the slow-mo replay.
I did both, and it never unfolded, only collapsed.
But that's what I have you for, so all is good.
19:45
Happy to help.
@Robusto That was me.
Durr.
hhaahaha
Mitch aspires to be some kind of über-troll, but fails to notice that he isn't even a regular troll yet.
My first thought, like everybody else, was 'what an idiot' too. But then I realized it is not an unreasonable question. also I answered it, and I always feel like if it is worth answering it is worth upvoting (of course there are cases where it is not)
19:56
See. I rest my case.
I think he's more of a Pollyanna than a troll.
> Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.
> Women are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.
> Holes in sand are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.
Pollyanna, Davids Sohn, sei gesegnet deinem Volk!
@Robusto I should edit out the bloop bleeps then
See, there's my next "Good Answer" badge: "What is the positive counterpart to Troll." And the accepted answer will include "You know, kind of like @Mitch."
19:58
You should ask that on English Language & Usage
I've heard of it.
@Robusto You would need ten people for that, and that's eight more than there are left on the site.
Maybe I should get a sockpuppet army like Josh did.
Maybe you can make music, drink whisky, and thrash furniture instead.
Who do you think I am, the Rolling Stones?
20:00
I'm not not undecided which one's more fun.
If you can make music you don't have to drink whisky or thrash furniture.
@Robusto ah, but it doesn't matter who I think you are. It only matters who you think you are.
@Robusto shit, really?
Fuck.
@RegDwigнt Great answer. Now try to sell me a mood ring.
@RegDwigнt If you're playing music your hands are busy. QED
@Robusto I can sell you a mood ring for ten easy payments of $3000.
How can I resist?
No, really: how?
20:02
I can answer that question for an additional tip of 20%.
@Mitch See, I think you already had put in most of the work on your answer and wanted to make sure it didn't go to waste. So, a selfish motive after all. No Pollyanna, but a cynical manipulator of the reputation cogwheels.
@Robusto Of course!
Everyone is self-motivated.
To which I would say, teach my grandmother to suck eggs.
I honestly think your grandmother wouldn't know how to do that.
Well, it doesn't matter anymore. She's been dead lo these many decades.
20:05
I am not self-motivated at all. Like, do you even know me. Imagine trying to be motivated by that.
Shudder.
But I sure bet she could suck them damn eggs when she was alive.
@RegDwigнt No existential crises in chat, please.
Easter -is- coming up.
@Robusto It was the custom of the time. Netflix was kinda rubbish. The telegraph, not much better.
Not a lot to do in a coal-mining town.
At least not a lot of entertainment.
Well. You can try mining some coal.
You know, for entertainment.
20:07
My father told me that one of the entertainments was to go down to the barbershop on Saturday morning before it opened and watch the barber strop his razors. I think that is the opposite of Netflix.
How did the Neanderthals cope. They literally had nothing.
@Robusto I'd totally watch that. Indeed, that's sort of all I do on YouTube anymore.
@RegDwigнt You don't know that. They might have had TVs and computers and smart phones, but those things don't show up in the geological record.
@RegDwigнt inorite ... I do find myself watching things like "All the ways to cook an egg" and somehow restrain myself from blowing my brains out.
Have you seen your grandma's TV? It would have survived the nuclear zombie holocaust. And provided enough shelter for Harrison Ford to do likewise.
It would have been the size of a modern garage.
And it had none of them electronics. Only electrics. Radio lamps. The size of a Tesla. You could fix a broken one with an old shoelace and some potato starch.
20:11
And a paperclip. Don't forget the all-important paperclip.
MicroSoft made me forget all paperclips with extreme vengeance.
Not paperclip avatars. Those went to hell. I mean actual paperclips. None of them named Clippy.
Oh those.
I still use those. Would you believe it.
I believe everything I read on the Internet.
I just read on the Internet earlier today that the Corona virus doesn't actually exist, the Democrats invented it.
No really, I did.
20:25
I thought the Corona virus was something you get from cigars.
I think it was invented by Boeing because of the whole debacle with the thousands upon thousands of planes they can't deliver anymore.
It's no big deal if all planes are grounded everywhere, you know.
Buys them time.
Now, now, let's not mock Boeing just because you work for the company that created the A-380.
20:41
Well, that's a stretch.
Also, the A380 wasn't terribly successful. Production ends next year.
It's all about the A320neo these days.
@RegDwigнt My point exactly.
But yeah no. I'm actually incredibly sorry for what happened to Boeing. It got taken over by a bunch of insane clowns from McDonnell Douglas.
The rest is history.
Here's a very good summary.
Good as in terribly, terribly sad.
There's a video for everything Ö
Boeing has always been about actual engineers. A fantastic company.
Then they got taken over by a bunch of suits who only care about shareholder value.
I am so sorry for the engineers.
My father is an aircraft engineer.
This hits very close to home for me.
@RegDwigнt I will look at it tonight.
20:47
Thank you.
@RegDwigнt Did he work on the Antonov line?
I do not think so. Well, I'm not sure. He did tell me a whole lot about the Ans when I was a kid.
But then again he told me a ton about the Sus.
And quite a bit about the MiGs.
I really do not know.
Quite frankly I'm not fully sure I'd be allowed to know.
But then later it was tanks, and now it's ships.
He worked on MiGs?
No idea. He seemed to know an awful lot about the 27 and the 35.
One of them like literally 50 years old, the other like literally not even flying yet.
He probably was on or knew people who were on those programs, I would guess.
20:53
Well as I said, it's all ships these days. Has been for the best part of the last 20 years like.
Aug 3 '18 at 21:00, by RegDwigнt
These are the ships he built most recently.
@RegDwigнt The Steregushchi looks a lot like modern US Navy destroyers.
Yeah I think you said something much to that extent at the time.
Aug 3 '18 at 21:01, by Robusto
@RegDwigнt Looks like the newer guided-missile frigates in the US Navy.
Aye there it is.
Yup. If I say it now, I've said it before.
Anyway it's not an arms race if both sides aren't building the exact same thing.
Gotta have rules.
21:01
Tell that to the TikTok generation.
Their idea of having rules is using Grammar.ly.
Mikoyan wouldn't be caught dead using Grammar.ly.
What a gorgeous bird.
Hah, and the fin of an A380 in the background.
@RegDwigнt Fighter planes are just enormous engines with control surfaces and a place for the pilot to sit.
Which is why they're so much like birds.
Just a tiny little brain, the rest is avionics.
And huge wing muscles.
21:17
Had to go and watch this one again.
Breathtakingly beautiful.
You just can't watch these things and not fall in love with the engineers that build them.
Craftsmen with the hands for skill and the eyes for beauty.
Majestic comes to mind.
That's why everyone needs to know what really happened to Boeing.
It was not the craftsmen that killed it.
It seldom is.
Money ruins everything.
Alas.
Not to take away from the pilot's skill.
He's not just a guy. He's a monster truck that walks like a man.
Anyway I think I'll go to bed. Violin lesson tomorrow and I haven't had a proper sleep for five days now.
Good night.
@RegDwigнt Cya.
Sleep well.
@RegDwigнt Holy fuq, he just landed an airliner in a fucking hurrican at zero groundspeed.
@RegDwigнt And let's not forget the pilots who fly them.
21:51
And I'm out as well. Nighty-night.
22:13
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