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Cerberus

00:00

@tchrist Those colours are not right.

RegDwigнt

> I have chromesthesia as well as several other types of synesthesia, and for me it’s pretty much like whenever I hear a certain sound, I see a certain color. I don’t actually see it physically, it doesn’t mess with my vision at all, but in my mind sounds are undeniably colored.

> It’s mainly with music, for example, piano is blue/purple, guitar is orange/red, and percussion is green, but it doesn’t constantly follow these rules; it also depends on the key, volume, and tempo, as well as what instruments are being played at the same time. It’s also with non-musical sounds too though, like the horrible beeping sound of a microwave timer is red. Anyway, I hope that helps!

OP is excited:

> Thanks! Are you able to assign a color to each note?

tchrist

wow

RegDwigнt

Immediate reply:

> Yes, C is blue, D is magenta, E is pink, F is orange, G is green, A is also pink, B is brownish-red.

Further inquiry:

> Cool! Can you do sharps and flats?

Why of course she can:

> When they’re sharp the color is intensified, and when they’re flat it’s sort of muted.

tchrist

@Cerberus no sherlock

RegDwigнt

It is at this point here that yours truly decides to weigh in:

tchrist

00:01

Not enough acid.

RegDwigнt

> So am I parsing this right that 185 Hz is a really muted green that is also a very intense orange at the same time.
And 831 Hz is a really pale pink that's screeching green.
(Except when played on a piano. Then it's blue or purple. Unless you change the tempo or the volume.)
And the microwave beep does not have a frequency, just a color.

Needless to say, I'm not making myself many friends.

tchrist

No man calls the cuckoo friend.

RegDwigнt

At any rate, that sure will be one hell of a paper to read. Can't wait.

tchrist

Feb 14 at 23:03, by tchrist

Rare indeed is the man who having nothing to say does so.

RegDwigнt

Rarer even, the woman.

Ba-dum-ts.

tchrist

00:04

s/t\K/it/

> Senator Ted Cruz will self-quarantine this week after interacting with a person at the Conservative Political Action Conference who has tested positive for the coronavirus.

If only we'd known it was that easy years ago.

RegDwigнt

Hopeful you is just reading The Onion again.

tchrist

New York Times

RegDwigнt

Yes. I did say The Onion.

tchrist

That was followed, in the same article, by:

> The State Department warns against cruises.

I guess that's why Ted went into hiding.

RegDwigнt

Well. I rest my case.

On that note, I must resume binge-watching Mark Kermode.

Thank you for sharing the weight on my shoulders.

Don't listen to microwaves. They transmit Communist propaganda.

@Cerberus take over. You can't just come in here and fall asleep. Dogs.

tchrist

00:12

@Tuffy What I found so interesting was the deep underlying connections dating back to PIE between all three of Greek Atlas (Ἄτλας), both of the surprising Latin suppletive stems found in the common but highly irregular verb fero/ferre/tuli/latum used for carrying or bearing, and the (Northern-)English verb thole meaning to suffer, bear, or endure. The Tholian Web comes strangely to mind. — tchrist ♦ Feb 29 at 19:03

RegDwigнt

Yes. Hence ferro carril. Weight carrier.

tchrist

For birds.

RegDwigнt

Undeniably.

tchrist

Tell that to your nearest ferrier, I double dog dares ya.

RegDwigнt

Don't pay the ferryman. Don't even ask the price.

tchrist

00:14

Three tinker's bells?

It tolls for thee.

RegDwigнt

Well thanks. Now you've reminded me Julia Roberts exists.

tchrist

And Roy Orbison, now.

Sorry, for predicting @Robusto to chime in about ancient cantors.

RegDwigнt

Nothing wrong with Roy Orbison.

He only wrote one song, and he wrote it twice.

tchrist

Lonely

RegDwigнt

> I wrote the mii theme song lol. Would love feedback!

No you didn't. Kazumi Totaka did. And it's not a song.

People is the wurst.

tchrist

00:17

I was really unhappy when he died.

RegDwigнt

What is the name of that other song of his that is just Pretty Woman all over again, note-for-note.

I'm getting old. Can't remember things.

Oh, you got it!

I mean, I did.

I mean, that's what he sings in the song.

tchrist

haha

RegDwigнt

Roy Orbison - You Got It (Official Live Video 1988)

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I'm out for today. Nighty-night!

tchrist

Adieu.

Cerberus

Adeus.

Robusto

01:25

@tchrist Sorry, about ancient cantors I am afraid I will be unable to assist you. I don't even like modern cantors. I wish all the cantors were can'tors.

@RegDwigнt That was very close to the end for him, if not the actual end.

Makes me very sad.

In fact, look at this recording:

The Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Line (Official Video)

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Three of the four are gone now.

George Harrison, Tom Petty, Roy Orbison ... I think the only man left standing is Dylan.

It truly was the end of the line.

Of course, on a long enough timeline everyone's survival rate drops to zero.

I only wish we could leave this world on a more hopeful note.

And by "look at this recording" of course I mean "listen to this recording" ...

@tchrist, @Cerberus: Adiós a los dos.

tchrist

@Robusto I thought the very same thing.

Robusto

01:41

So what was the cantors reference all about?

tchrist

@Robusto Vraiment, ce sont des chanteurs morts.

Robusto

Ah. Merci.

When old age shall this generation waste,
                Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
         "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
                Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."

My Grecian urn is music.

tchrist

As were sung in tales of old.

Robusto

Aye.

@tchrist Speaking of which, did Tolkien have any gift for music? He fills his novels with songs, but I don't like any of the renditions I've heard.

tchrist

For verse, yes; for melodies, I do not know.

Robusto

01:49

Well, ya can't have a song without a melody.

tchrist

There was precious little music in Jackson’s movies. Brian Sibley’s 1981 radio adaptation for the BBC with Ian Holm was much better at conveying that element of the novel.

And everyone knows the tune of Hey Diddle Diddle. :)

Robusto

^_^

A song doesn't need a lot of words. It doesn't have to be literary. What it needs is a few well chosen words and a wonderful melody to go with it.

Carl Orff - Carmina Burana - 21. In trutina

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For example.

Or this one:

Carmina Burana by Carl Orff [Best Sound, Best quality] With Download Option

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I like the singers better in the Previn version. The boys' choir is excellent.

tchrist

02:08

Those are certainly old songs.

In some senses.

Robusto

The words are.

And I guess even the music is old now.

Just not as old.

tchrist

Nice how the iugo suave became a yugo dulce in the Spanish translation there in the comments.

> En la balanza incierta de mi razón los adversarios vacilan, entre el amor y el pudor, pero yo elijo lo que veo, ofrezco mi cuello al yugo: me someto a tan dulce yugo.

Robusto

Smooth to sweet. Interesting.

tchrist

Speaking of spring, I to my surprise have crocuses and Vinca minor (periwinkle), and dwarf iris and those miniature tête-à-tête daffodils, all nicely florissant in the warm south-facing patch.

(That was from the Totus floreo iam amore virginali totus ardeo, novus, novus amor est, quo pereo line, in case it wasn't obvious.)

Robusto

Also sweet.

And, yes, I got the reference.

tchrist

02:20

cool

Robusto

Funny how my Latin comprehension has increased with my burgeoning skill in Spanish.

tchrist

Pereo gave English perish and Spanish perecer.

@Robusto It does that, yes. It is much easier to see the connections in Spanish than in French.

And ardeo yielded arder and ardiente of course.

Quemar is for more literal burning, of course.

I know this is awful of me, but I miss calling Taiwan Formosa.

Robusto

Heh, I was thinking the same thing earlier.

Much prettier name.

tchrist

claro

Robusto

BTW, I'm about halfway through La Tabla de Flandes, and am enjoying reading my first Spanish-language novel very much. It gets easier, but I do find my brain tiring in a way it doesn't reading English. Still, whether reading or listening, I've made the leap to comprehension without translation, which is a big step.

tchrist

02:28

I don't know that novel. And yes, it does get you tired at first. Even after a year of complete immersion, you sometimes just want to revert to English for a brain-break.

Or try.

Spanish will intrude upon your English then. That's ok in a code-switching environment, of course, but will perplex monoglots.

I've read a hundred books in Spanish if I've read one.

Robusto

I'm sure it gets easier.

Once I get this one under my belt the spell will be broken, I hope, and I can just move right along.

tchrist

Yes. Your difficulties are probably more akin to mine reading a French detective fiction novel these days.

CowperKettle

10:56

Which is better - "Biometric personal data" or "Personal biometric data". I like option 2 more, but cannot explain my choice.

RegDwigнt

11:21

Question:

> Can I make a crescendo hairpin to be like a slope, the begin and the end point at different height?

Answer:

> I can play rondo alla turca on the piano

Gotta love the Internet.

The other answers are just as brilliant, including "You can, but I forgot how to do it lol", "ghat", and "kannst du bitte titte dein maul halten".

Gigili