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2:10 AM
Here's why I hated open plan offices: bbc.com/future/story/…
Also why I like my new house, with its 10' (3m) ceilings. Your thoughts just expand upward. Very relaxing.
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3:26 AM
@RegDwigнt Robusto's not complaining about the question. He's complaing about a particular answer, which was indeed spam.
> Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.
Of course, I think @Robusto should have just flagged it. Now that spam has a permanent home in this chatroom's backlog.
3:51 AM
Oh wait: I'm an idiiot. You were responding to another message other than the one immediately prior. >_<
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10:16 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad pattern in url body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated url at end of long post (386): How Do You Help Someone With Mental Health Issues? by Shanu Sweet on english.SE
11:04 AM
@Tonepoet I think you're confused, mate. Confused what my arrow pointed to.
But it's okay. Me and that @Robusto guy can work it out alright.
And if we can't, I can always pay him to pretend.
Indeed, I've been owing him a royal amount of teas.
But it's okay. Once Navalny wins the election, everyone will swim in money and I can pay off everyone tenfold.
11:23 AM
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1:35 PM
@RegDwigнt Can you put that in the form of a chiasmus, please?
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3:45 PM
@Robusto I can't not put it in the form of a litotes. Chiasmus would be too much work for naught. The election won't go to Navalny anyway. At any rate to you my money will not go.
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4:48 PM
Whoa. I'm liking this new design.
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5:50 PM
Q: Why is it "on the inside" and not "in the inside"?

BalancedTryteOperatorsThe expression "in the inside" appears to be logical (because insides are closed spaces with boundaries) but the more common expression is "on the inside." What’s the reason behind this usage?

SMH. If I had asked this on ELL, all I would have received would have been a lazy "that's just English".
I never broke the ice with regards to ELU.
I'm not sure there are enough experts around for, say, B2 or C1 learner questions anymore, TBH. All I ever see on the front page seems to be "present perfect tense vs. will have woudl bean".
And I quit reviewing back in 2016 or so. Never got to persuade myself to going back.
Sometimes opened the CV reviews, and then just . . . quit.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ We need more questions about axes and balls
Or you could answer all the questions about magic instead. Like what do you call a person who makes magic wands? Only answer if you have experience with this.
6:07 PM
A wander.
Now you're just making things up.
Nope, I looked it up.
In Gandalf's diary.
He's a clumsy man, and ends up breaking his stick quite a number of times.
So he ended up sticking to a wand.
And then a pokemon.
Q: Did Iran plan to bomb a meeting of opposition forces close to Paris in 2018?

KlausNA bit more than a year ago, the press wrote that an Iranian born couple and an Iranian diplomat had been arrested in Belgium and Germany, because they were about to strike out against a meeting by the Iranian Opposition forces (calling themselves "People's Mujahedin of Iran") with 500 grams of ex...

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised. Considering how many civilians these so-called "fighters for people" have killed when they were present in Iranian soil.
My mental image of this rogue syndicate might be skewed a bit but I'm fairly certain they were the ends-justify-means type.
It was okay to murder hundreds of people if it meant chaos for the new regime.
6:40 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 1) MEK is creepy.
2) The news as a record of history is ... shady.
It's impossible to get the real story unless you're following things in real time. And then after a few days nothing happens at all, so if you come back from a trip where you weren't listening to the news, it's like impossible to replay what happened.
I mean, no one's trying to rewrite history like the Ministry of Truth in 1984. They just sort of miss half of everything, don't explain what's really going on, and then interview the night janitor in the building next door and ask him what he thinks of it all.
6:57 PM
@Mitch you can just go back and follow the things in real time from the beginning by reading the existing articles in order.
That's what I do.
Like, I am constantly in that situation myself. Because I haven't watched or read the news in years.
So every time something major happens I hear about it like two weeks later. Or a year later.
And then if I'm at all interested, I go back and just read everything from the beginning in chronological order.
@RegDwigнt But that's hard to do. They news sites don't give you a chronological view of a topic.
It's like with video games really. All my life I've been buying all the consoles and playing all the games like six years later than everybody else.
Wait... is it possible to get the font page of a newspaper website for a given day?
I've been still getting the exact same experience. Just shifted by six years.
@RegDwigнt Exactly. News is exactly like video games.
6:59 PM
@Mitch I'm not talking about that, really, but yes you can do that. Archive.org is a thing.
@RegDwigнt Dude, what's the name of the clef for violas? B?
More precisely, alto.
Thanks you (that's 11 down)
Because you can put the C clef on any line at all. So it could be a tenor clef or a baritone clef or mezzosoprano or whatever.
I had forgotten alto, but I don't think I ever knew 'C'.
soprano sax
back up
7:02 PM
The funny thing is, you can actually do that with any clef. With the F and the G clef, too. The G clef doesn't have to be on the second line because that's where the G is; it's exactly the other way round, wherever you put it, that's your G line.
Not many people seem to know.
bass piccolo
I've seen people on MuseScore write all their violin parts in the bass clef.
trio for bass piccolo, dinner triangle, and prepared humming.
Literally no violinist in the world can read that, but that one guy did write it.
MIDI doesn't care.
it'll play anything
7:03 PM
But that's the thing.
At first I thought it was like an attempt at obfuscation.
A deliberate copyright protection of sorts.
But yeah as you say, MIDI doesn't care.
no one cares.
MIDI could care less
And if you copypaste the score into a program, you can just change the clef and voilà.
and does
Sorry, I meant and violà.
thank you
7:05 PM
I hate it when that happens.
I was about to admonish you for missing the obvipus
I never miss a pus.
Good for you!
Especially not when it's obvi.
It's probably a healthier lifestyle
7:07 PM
Anyway. Here's a snapshot of CNN.com from 9/11/2001.
You can catch up on the news from there.
Plot twist: it wasn't Saddam.
I'm not clicking on some russian trojan horse
No, that's a different link. Hold on a sec.
@RegDwigнt Sure, everyone is a liar but...
I'm no racist but...
7:08 PM
Oh shit I forgot about oneboxing.
With all due respect...
Well fuck. To my defense, I've not rickrolled in years.
The Russian name for a viola is "alt", BTW.
So they have it easier to remember WTF their clef is called.
Also, it pops up in all kinds of other instrument's parts. Celli, brass.
It's not strictly a viola key.
Quite a few people need to be versed in it.
I've forgotten more music than I've ever known
I hear so many new musics every day that I can't keep up with forgetting the old ones.
Sometimes I literally forget to forget.
@RegDwigнt Oh. Hm. Nice resource. But my point to @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ was that the news sites don't do that themselves.
7:21 PM
Like, I still haven't forgotten Ed Sheeran. Sucks to be me.
It's not that its' so bad, it's that you can't avoid hearing it.
@Mitch well, of course they don't. But yeah those crazy folks keep a copy of everything. I sometimes browse our company's old websites that I made in 1999.
Not to mention Apple and Microsoft and Cisco. Always good for a laugh.
For you that's literally Ostalgia
7:22 PM
Not everyone can be as dedicated as Space Jam and just keep their website completely unchanged for 20+ years.
> If you like basketball, and you like to jam, go no further.
With all due respect, I'm waiting for the sequel
I'm no racist, but did you know that Michael Jordan was black?
like The Chipmunks: The Squeequel
Fuck the chipmunks. On a second thought, don't.
Like a fine wine, aging brings out the flavor
7:24 PM
Yeah. The flavour or ruined grape juice.
@RegDwigнt I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job, but yes.
@RegDwigнt I know, right?
Like a fine milk, aging brings out the flavor.
Cheese... Milk's leap towards immortality
Not that I haven't said that before...
Feb 28 '17 at 16:13, by Mitch
Cheese: Milk's Leap toward immortality
No cheese is immortal in my immediate proximity.
Except casu marzu.
Sassy cheese, the kind that squeeks when you bite into it.
7:27 PM
Oh Haloumi does that to the max.
You should try.
Great cheese grilled, great cheese not grilled.
farmer's cheese.
add vinegar to milk... and, with all due respect, there's your cheese.
Grilled halloumi.
Halloumi or haloumi () is a semi-hard, unripened, brined cheese made from a mixture of goat's and sheep's milk, and sometimes also cow's milk. It has a high melting point and so can easily be fried or grilled. Rennet is used to curdle the milk in halloumi production, although no acid-producing bacteria are used in its preparation.Halloumi is often associated with the island of Cyprus, where it has been produced by a multi-ethnic population for many centuries. It is also popular throughout the region broadly known as the Levant. It became widely available in Turkey after 2000. Demand in the United...
fried cheese with a faint aroma of turpentine
Wait... what happened in 2000?
7:29 PM
> The English name halloumi is derived from Modern Greek: χαλλούμι [xaˈlumi], challoúmi, from Cypriot Maronite Arabic xallúm,[11][12] ultimately from Egyptian Arabic: حلوم‎ ḥallūm [ħalˈluːm].[11][12][13] The Egyptian Arabic word is itself a loanword from Coptic ϩⲁⲗⲱⲙ halom (Sahidic) and ⲁⲗⲱⲙ alom (Bohairic) 'cheese', referring to a cheese that was eaten in medieval Egypt.
@Mitch that's a very good question, right?
Why the fuck would they mention it.
Or that the demand in the UK skyrocketed in 2013.
Who writes Wikipedia, the halloumi mafia?
> Halloumi became so important to village life that even the surnames of many Cypriot families reflect their role in halloumi production
I'm waiting for them to add a paragraph on how in 2019, US consumption skyrocketed due to one Mitch.
Actually it's a wiki. I can go add it myself.
@RegDwigнt Oh, that makes total sense though.
@RegDwigнt waiting
@Mitch no, contrary to what the UKIP would have you believe, the UK was full of brown people way before 2013.
@RegDwigнt I mean I like that halloumi shit but not that much
Like, their fucking PM was brown.
@Mitch you only need to buy it once to double your nation's consumption.
I have influence beyond my cheese eating circles
7:36 PM
Don't ask what your country can do for you.
@RegDwigнt It's in all the stores here.
underneath the cheddar
and other white/yellow/orange cheeses
That's the problem. You have to take it from the store and put it in your home.
Many people struggle to understand that crucial step.
It's more of a tourist cheese.
You go visit but you'd never want to live with that cheese.
Your whole country is 100% tourists.
You literally killed everyone who wasn't a tourist.
With all due respect, tell that to the TSA.
7:38 PM
Well maybe not you personally. I don't know.
I've not read CNN in years.
CNN doesn't cover Indian affairs
They did in 1764.
The Economist is all over Indian affairs
You just have to click on the left arrow a couple times more.
back in 17-whatevery-whatever.
7:40 PM
The Economist is too eco for me. I vote Trump.
Or rather, Vladimir does it for me.
I don't have to do shit. Vlad does it all.
even the shit
Especially that.
I don't mean to be crude, but shit.
Like, I wouldn't want to get my fingers dirty grabbing Navalny and Khodorkovsky and putting them in gaol.
At least Putin has a job he likes and is good at.
7:43 PM
Yes, playing piano on YouTube.
What more could you ask for? The death of all your enemies?
Don't ask for it... do it.
It's wonderful how in every video he always touches the same keys, but the music is all different each time.
Keeps your fingers from getting dirty
I mean at some point with all the surveillance and crackdowns and police action, don't they feel like "I've done it all, maybe I'll take a break"?
7:46 PM
You can't take breaks anymore. The world's been accelerating for the last 150 years.
Even in our graves we'll all be spinning.
@RegDwigнt All of Bernie Taupin's lyrics are lifted from 'Hello!' entertainment magazine about an America that never existed.
Exhibit 1: Crocodiles, in fact, are incapable of dancing.
@Mitch all of America is lifted from Hello entertainment magazine.
It's their hips.
Turn off the computer, go outside. Look at your country. It's not something you see on television.
You'll be back to your computer in no time.
IF you want to get technical, the alligator family have 'saurischian' hips = 'lizard' hips.
@RegDwigнt I tell that to wannabe migrants to the US.
7:49 PM
@Mitch Dude, I know all about that.
I am a professional crocodile builder.
The US is not all Humvees racing down Las Vegas strip opening bottle of champagne from the sunroof.
Quick without looking, name the song.
@RegDwigнt With all due respect, your crocodiles look a little blocky.
@Mitch Whaaat cancels visa application
@RegDwigнt I'm trying to do it without listening too
7:50 PM
@Mitch I am no racist, but you look a little blacky.
"How to build LEGO crocodiles BABY"
@RegDwigнt It's just tan
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ The only humvee you'll see is that dickwad next door parking it on their lawn on concrete blocks
@RegDwigнt That's not funny because I'm Rachel Dolezal
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, tan is the color of the plate that crocodile is sitting on in the image above.
@Mitch you are correct. Rachel Dolezal is not funny.
I feel sorry for her.
I ain't got no time to feel sorry for others.
7:52 PM
Unrelatedly, she probably has to pay quite a lot of money to get her hair done.
It's a doggety-dog world.
> 1. In the jungle out there, do dogs normally eat dogs?
Fuck me if I know. But Sven Yargs will tell you on ELU.
That's where my subscription money goes.
In other questions, who the what is Kristen Schaal. YouTube is trying to shove her down my throat, but I don't even know the woman.
She doesn't know you so I think it's fair
She's a comedian.
How is it fair, then. I'll go eat someone else.
@Mitch sorry, I thought you just used the words "she" and "comedian" in the same sentence.
I need to clean my glasses.
She was on the Daily Show with John Stewart.
Then she was a character on The Flight of the Conchords
She's the voice of a number of cartoon characters... one on Gravity Falls, one on Bob's Burgers.
She has a kind of a lisp
or something
Thanks, Obagoogle
Or Ogooglebama.
I dunno.
7:59 PM
@RegDwigнt I don't want to insult all your dead relatives but...
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Obimdb
I mean, look it up.
Now that's a tchrist favorite.
Esp. in Texas accent.
Oh. You can't. All you can get there is... ELU chat?
Right. Glasses clean again. Sup.
What living hell is that?
OIC. You're trying to play a prank on me and have changed your sentence to say exactly what I had said I had had thought it had had had said.
8:00 PM
Speaking of Texas, how's your mom?
@Mitch I made a video of my mom, haven't you seen?
@Mitch I'm inclined to think the trio in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly were in ELU chat in the final scene.
I don't mean to insult everyone who looks up to you but...
Don't you follow me on Instagram and Twitter and YouTube and Grinder?
I've heard of Instagram
8:02 PM
WTF is Grinder, as Regdwight would say. Wait.
@Mitch the flight of the concords As in that aussie act? It was awesome. I should know her then.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ do not look it up. I repeat: do not look it up.
Just ask @Cerberus.
It's like Twitter but with pictures, if Twitter didn't already have pictures. But it's not Twitter.
I'm supposed to be generation final letters.
@RegDwigнt yes
I'm supposed to be generation final letters.
8:03 PM
It's like Twitter but with gay pron, if Twitter didn't already have gay pron posted by Sargon of Akkad.
@RegDwigнt From what I hear, yeah you probably don't want to look it up.
maybe wikipedia?
No. Don't look up Wikipedia, either.
Are you insane.
There's casu marzu on there.
I'd rather follow Sargon.
So, a politically correct 4chan?
some people will eat anything
like Monterey Jack.
8:04 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ do you know Tinder?
Yeah he's a bit of an a-hole.
It's the cheddar cheese to cheddar cheese as cheddar cheese is to actual cheese.
Grinder is like Tinder except with all the girls removed because girls don't participate on Tinder anyway, so good riddance.
You're talking to someone who doesn't have a Twitter or Facebook account.
Admit it. I'm doing it right.
I will admit it for an hourly rate of only $3000.
8:06 PM
In fact, by 2025, not only we won't get the apocalypse or WWIII, but we also won't have anyone born after 1995 on Facebook.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Facebook is for old people
@RegDwigнt I ain't paying for your lawyer.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, it's fair. If I type real fast you only have to pay like $300. I've not done the math.
@Mitch that's what old people say who think that's how young people talk.
What social media is allowed there?
I guess the Iranian knockoffs of Telegram, if they qualify.
8:08 PM
@RegDwigнt I'm no ageist, but AARP keeps sending me stuff
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I already follow enough Persians on Facebook, so I have no room for another one.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Oh. I thought it was Telegram.
Can't tell TBH.
Oh I have Telegram! It goes - . .-.. . --. .-. .- --
Aren't all the fine young Iranian software engineers attempting to create their own social media software and finding out, they're just reproducing the idiocy that is ... all those things Reg mentioned
8:10 PM
People that did use social apps and stuff used to use Whatsapp and LINE for private shit and FB for public shit. With loads of working VPNs.
Now, VPNs are mostly not working anymore, thanks to the genius that, Thank God, wasn't wasted on solving economic problems.
You can only use genius three times.
People turned to Telegram 'cause it wasn't censored, but now it is, so I dunno.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ haha those bright young things who weren't able to emigrate in time.
Here people have been going back and forth between Whatsapp and Telegram so I've no idea what to think anymore.
Is github open to you?
8:12 PM
So I just use Grinder instead.
@Mitch Yeah. Who uses that.
I bet there's some open source messaging crap you can get there.
'cause if people do, it'd be censored again.
Well I guess what Mitch is saying if every crappy app gets used by only ten people like, they can't block them all.
@Mitch Well, sure. AFAIK the Telegram knockoffs (Jesus, they're not even pretending) are the reason it's censored now so some rich asshole's kid can rake money in case of a government change.
8:13 PM
Never put all your eggs in one basket.
Doesn't the defense minister .. Zafavi? Savafi? have a twitter account?
@RegDwigнt Unless you have one basket. Then that's pretty much all you got.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Yeah, that guy.
Which literally translates to "tender and soft". Lol.
Or his staff 'has' it.
8:14 PM
@Mitch which is why we've created github for all the freelance basket makers.
@Mitch It's him. Why miss out on the fun.
the industry basket makers are all unionized
The lowly proles shan't get Twitter, but we won't abuse it, right.
@Mitch Good. You wouldn't want an ionized basket maker.
8:15 PM
Yeah. The eggs would taste funny.
And, again, they're not even pretending.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ There's a saying in German for that. Once your reputation is ruined, you might as well live as you please.
His glorious tweets, bickering back and forth with love interests Pompeo and Bolton and Trump, are always all over the news.
like mixing casu marzu and cheddar
See. That's part of the reason I never watch the news anymore. They just have some bimbo read out the Twitter to me.
There's a time in every regime that the officials get so corrupt pretending seems too expensive anymore. We're there now I guess.
8:17 PM
like mayonnaise on pastrami. with mayonnaise
I won't like the next phase.
which is when the mayonnaise is sitting in the sun too long
@Mitch Which one is the casu marzu? Pompeo?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ move to Armenia or something. Heaven on Earth.
And not far away.
@RegDwigнt Really? Even there?
@RegDwigнt I've got . . . things to do.
It's not like borrowing your neighbor's toilet.
8:19 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Inorite. WTF is happening. It's not that journalism is shit now, it's that it's literally nonexistent anymore.
We're more attached to our stuff. Or shit. Maybe if we move once, the rest would be easy.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ What? Oh. Like it was an analogy? Yeah Pompeo is the worm cheese slathered in mayonnaise. And so are the others.
But, like, even my close relatives are scattered all over the place.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I know people who manage to do things from the opposite side of the planet. And, like, very poor folk, too. Syrian refugees, like.
Just saying.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It's probably easier if you leave the toilet with them.
I mean, shit in it at their place. Don't get the toilet, bring it to your place, shit in it at your place, then take it back.
That's all I'm saying.
Be practical
8:22 PM
@RegDwigнt well of course. Still, for people like us (me plus family), we're too used to being disappointed about the outside world situation that we feel too jaded to even move elsewhere. Then we justify it with home-sweet-home or something. Or maybe it's a real feeling. Can't tell.
I'm sorry Mitch have you been hacked by Jasper?
That's where the saying 'Shit or get off the pot' comes from
@RegDwigнt wait for it...
If something extraordinarily shitty happens, like a war, it might kick us out of inertia. But for now, it's never more serious than an idea brought in in a chat with a Russian and an American.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ well you can either not like the next phase watching from the outside, or you can not like the next phase being part of the next phase.
It's only sweet home till they knock down the door.
8:24 PM
Hey it's not that bad glancing at the telescreen
Seriously though, it's not that bad.
Well no. Russia in 1993 wasn't that bad, either.
Still, I enjoyed watching it from a safe distance. Still do.
As I said earlier, we're in the they-don't-give-a-damn-about-proles phase.
Not the ideology-recharged-let's-kick-some-citizen-ass phase.
I served with a racist. I knew a racist. A racist was a friend of mine. You, you're no racist.
Unless you are a racist and then I'm just mistaken
There is a good number of fanatics here and there, but most of them aren't violent, or even loyal. I reckon even the violent ones consider the citizens in some sort of nationality inner circle.
Your place is pretty multiethnic...won't the 'select group' take it out on all the smaller groups?
8:28 PM
IOW, the "traitors" are not Iranians, unless they moved elsewhere and came back or something. It's not like fanatical leftists and rightists in the USA, which I get the impression keep yelling "traitor" at each other.
There is a divide between religious and non-religious people. But for whatever reason, it's never admitted. If it ever is, those accusations would follow.
@Mitch What select group?
Well guys, I need to go write some strings and winds parts. And my piano's getting tuned tomorrow, so I will need to pretend to have cleaned the room. And actually cleaning the room kinda helps with that.
Maybe I'll get bored in an hour and drop by again.
@Mitch The thing is, the conservatives, rightists, whatever you call them, still believe in an empty (?) husk of Islamic government. Sure, the current cabinet can be full of corrupt definitely-not-Islamic governors, so much that you probably can't point to a clean person off the top of your head, but the vision after Shah was toppled should stay.
That's how they look at it.
Pretty sure @Cowp can relate. The socialism defenders that say Marx's or whoever else's ideas of an ideal community were never executed.
But what I'm getting at, really, is that the current government has managed to alienate both leftists and rightists, as far as I can tell. Both religious and non-religious people.
9:10 PM
This is the book that we're reading in our book club this month:
Bad Samaritans is a book about economy written by Ha-Joon Chang, a South Korean institutional economist specialising in development economics. The book criticizes economic mainstream and neo-liberalism. Chang mentioned developed countries require developing countries to change and open their markets. Rich and powerful governments and institutions are actually being 'Bad Samaritans': their intentions are worthy but their simplistic free-market ideology and poor understanding of history leads them to inflict policy errors on others. == Summary == Chang argued uncomfortable truth of capitalism and...
The writer is a development economist who lived through the evolution of South Korea from abject poverty to a superior world economy. The main argument—I believe, after reading the prologue—is that this sort of thing doesn't happen through free trade and neo-liberal economics.
9:44 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Persian Persians. There's Azeri's, Arabs, Kurds, Turkoman, all sorts of littler groups (are Baluchis considered non-Persian). I'm just wondering if all these ethnic differences are noticeable political things or are the right/left, religious/nonreligious things much more important.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ What? Who's calling who 'traitors'. (sure people are calling some Republican leaders here traitors for appearing to aid other countries for their own personal benefit, but I don't think anyone is calling the other side 'traitors'.
@Færd I don't get it. South Korea turned into a superior world economy because bad capitalist countries didn't let them develop?
@Mitch Haha no, because they didn't adopt a free-trade policy. They had constructive state intervention/ownership in some sectors for a good while.
This is to be contrasted with the advice that is given to developing economies that they should open up their borders and free up their market to grow.

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