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RegDwigнt

21:00

That is not something I will be equipped to do for maybe three-four more years.

holzblaeser.com/produkte/b4579/muramatsu.html

Lemma Prism

Hello! Is there a stack-site for research? Cause I've got a question but the best place I can think of to put it is in English but it's really not about English at all.

RegDwigнt

And yeah the price range is pretty much that of a violin bow.

I don't have that kind of money to spend on something that doesn't even qualify as a hobby yet.

@LemmaPrism research?

Lemma Prism

Yeah. Though it's almost more like a random question. Fundamentally, it's about AI research I'm doing... but really it's about intelligence. At some point it's going to turn into math... but right now it doesn't look like any of those things.

RegDwigнt

I think there was an AI site in the making. Maybe it never took off. Maybe it is about to.

Lemma Prism

I think I saw it but... the question I'm looking to post is, "What are some examples of low hanging fruit that took a long time to find?" It doesn't really sound at all related to AI.

RegDwigнt

21:05

Lemma Prism

But it came up while I was looking into bounded rationality.

RegDwigнt

It actually exists eh. Sponsored by IBM, even.

@LemmaPrism that doesn't sound like at all fit for the StackExchange format.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Wait, I thought EL&U was the "artificial intelligence beta" ...

RegDwigнt

The engine is ill-suited for list questions.

It works best for questions with a single correct answer.

Lemma Prism

Mmmm that's true. I've seen list questions before but yeah.

RegDwigнt

21:06

@Robusto yes on beta and artificial.

That's two for three. Not a bad cut.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Well, that's a pipe dream as well. Look at all the multiple ways to code something you see all over just about every answer on Stack Overflow.

RegDwigнt

@LemmaPrism there used to be more back in the day. Most were marked as community wiki. I think that format has been silently dropped altogether.

@Robusto I am sorry, did you just say I should look at StackOverflow?

As in, visit?

I wouldn't know how to know how any such thing can be done.

Robusto

It's nothing y ou haven't done before.

RegDwigнt

I did and then I forgot. In this order.

The order is very important!

It's non-commutative.

Lemma Prism

If StackExchange isn't a good site to ask, do you have any suggestions on where I might go instead?

RegDwigнt

21:08

Reddit?

Lemma Prism

Oh! Yeah okay.

RegDwigнt

Can't recommend a particular subreddit though. There are like millions.

Lemma Prism

_never chats_
_these obvious sites never come to mind on their own_

Thanks! I'll find somewhere to post it there.

RegDwigнt

You're welcome.

@Robusto There. I'm on SO right now. You happy?

Actually now I remember what my issue was the last ten times I visited.

All the questions I see have no answers whatsoever.

Robusto

You are old beyond your years.

RegDwigнt

21:11

Physically yes. Mentally I'm a toddler.

Robusto

Well, what are you waiting for. Get fluting!

RegDwigнt

I remember now. They started getting like a hundred new questions a second and those kept getting buried en masse.

So now they make sure to only show you questions nobody else has ever seen.

@Robusto I wish. It's 22:12 here, the thing's packed away. I'm on YouTube watching flute lessons.

Actually as an aside, I was very surprised by how soft the thing sounds.

Robusto

FWIW, I tried the opening solo we talked about before and needed that breath before the end.

RegDwigнt

But apparently I was doing something wrong. It got much louder later.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Soft in the low register, much more penetrating the higher you go.

So, if you're in an apartment, not a good idea to practice at night.

But at least it's not a piccolo.

RegDwigнt

21:14

But at first I was like WTF this is supposed to be 100dB? I grabbed the violin and just randomly played a song mezzoforte (or really in the context of a concert hall pp), and that thing was damn fucking loud in comparison.

But yeah like 20 minutes later I was playing the flute much louder.

Robusto

That's the trick with the flute: balance the projection between the registers.

RegDwigнt

I'm only talking first octave G till second octave F# so far.

As I said, I maybe managed the second-octave G like two times out of forty.

Robusto

Still pretty soft.

RegDwigнt

Even the F# was like 20 out of 40.

@Robusto yeah is my point.

Robusto

Take a few lessons. Learn some decent tone formation.

RegDwigнt

21:17

I think I'll take out those pegs tomorrow. Someone said something to that extent on that Muramatsu discussion.

Robusto

Yeah. Pegs are like training wheels on your bike.

RegDwigнt

Well yes but I want to tackle things one at a time.

I've learned it the hard way with the violin. Where you have to focus on 70 things at once as a complete beginner. That is impossible.

I am trying to avoid that as best I can going forward.

So today I was focusing on getting out any tone at all. The embouchure.

Everything else I tried was just a quick run-down of all the different things I could think of that would need separate practice.

I actually did that with the violin as well, back in the day. My first week I tried absolutely every technique and every trick. Especially those I knew I could never pull off even by accident. Just to see where I stand. To map out the next 10 years in the most rough manner.

You have to keep in mind this is the first time in my life that I make any kind of sound by blowing into something other than a beer bottle.

Well, I blew into a harmonica a couple times as the age of five, I guess.

Robusto

Play these as slow as you need to.

RegDwigнt

But I never played the recorder, say. Which is what everyone here seems to be obliged to do by law.

Robusto

There's also a chromatic one I can't seem to find. Start at the 2-octave H and go down by half steps, slurring one to the next and holding that next.

RegDwigнt

21:27

@Robusto yeah that will be very slow. I have yet to wrap my head around the cromatics. Only played a few by accident tonight.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Querflöte FTW.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto well yes, which is why I never tried a recorder even in my spare time. They are literally ubiquitous and literally a dime a dozen. But I always thought maybe clarinette.

Actually a year ago when I was watching my first violin lessons on YouTube I also spent a couple days watching clarinette lessons.

Then I figured I don't have the kind of spare time to make the reeds.

Robusto

Who does?

RegDwigнt

Certainly nobody with six instruments and counting.

Robusto

At least clarinets are single reeds, though.

RegDwigнt

21:32

That's how they get you.

I'm not falling for such cheap tricks.

But yeah, fun fact, I bought the flute after YouTube suggested I watch a video on how a $70 sax off Amazon compares to a $4000 sax.

Mitch

@LemmaPrism What is your actual question?

RegDwigнt

And the dude was like, WTF, this $70 thing is actually really really good.

Robusto

Not true with flutes.

RegDwigнt

Which is why I've not bought a $70 flute.

They have those, too.

Mitch

@LemmaPrism There are multiple stackexchanges that might work. There's Artificial Intelligence.SE

RegDwigнt

21:35

Mitch, you're way too late to that party.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt To so many parties.

But it gives me something to do

RegDwigнt

Reading other people's replies gives you something to do also.

Mitch

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Robusto

You woke me up.

RegDwigнt

tcoCw0wcUgXyy is the next covfefe

Mitch

21:37

@RegDwigнt Once I've read them all, there's the next thing

RegDwigнt

How about you go and buy a $70 harmonica off Amazon.

That will give you a lot to do.

Robusto

I think harmonicas are about $30 for a good one.

RegDwigнt

I've seen those in the thousands range.

Robusto

Wut?

RegDwigнt

Yeah. Well, thousands of Deutschmarks. That was the last time I visited that shop in the city, when looking for a guitar. 22 years ago now.

They had a blue guitar. A ton of harmonicas. Quite a few accordions, too.

Mitch

21:40

video.twimg.com/tweet_video/D1ZRARvVYAEc0C8.mp4

RegDwigнt

That was one weird place.

@Mitch that is not a harmonica.

Mitch

No. It is not.

RegDwigнt

Actually let me go check.

amazon.de/…

Mitch

I'm trying to figure out how to get a twitter video to post here as an animated gif (or whtever) without having to transform the file.

RegDwigнt

Four fucking thousand fucking Euro.

Plus shipping luls.

Robusto

21:43

And it's still only a harmonica.

RegDwigнt

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

Jasper

I saw a 30,000 dollar computer on youtube.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto though to be fair, that's what people said when I bought a Bianchi.

They said, no racing bike should cost 4000 bucks.

I said, that's like the cheapest Bianchi on the planet.

Mitch

RegDwigнt

Also it was 50% off.

Mitch

21:44

ugh

RegDwigнt

And shipping included.

Jasper

Ermenegildo Zegna makes expensive clothes.

A suit costs 2000 dollars.

RegDwigнt

No, he makes clothes. Other people then make them expensive.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Well, yeah. And that ain't even an expensive one. The ones they have the Tour riders on are like $20k.

RegDwigнt

A thing costs only as much as someone is willing to pay for it.

@Robusto precisely.

Jasper

21:46

Just now, I almost fainted for the first time in my life.

RegDwigнt

But they wouldn't listen.

They said they could buy a car for a 1000.

I said yeah go buy that car.

Jasper

I had to lie down on the floor for 10 minutes.

I don't know what happened.

Mitch

Jasper

Basically I had a stomach upset, and it was so painful that I felt like fainting.

Mitch

I thought you'd like to see that again

Jasper

21:47

My hands and legs were all numb.

Mitch

@Jasper funny stomach is not the same thing as fainting (syncope)

RegDwigнt

Mind you, those were rich folks to boot. I grew up surrounded by rich kids. They bought espresso machines for each other for their birthdays. At age 15.

They could have afforded to buy a Bianchi every single day for the rest of their life.

Jasper

I neither have espresso nor machine. I only drink Nescafe.

RegDwigнt

I literally spent every last cent on my guitar back then.

And look ma, my guitar is still here. Their espresso machines, not so much.

Jasper

But Nescafe is cheaper than Vodka.

Mitch

21:49

@Jasper but maybe being light headed from the stomach thing feels like you're going to faint

Jasper

It is interesting that we have an owl, a bull, and a dog in this room.

This room should be renamed Animal Farm.

Mitch

1) hasn't the 'what is somebody how is neither an atheist nor an agnostic called?' been answered a hundred times before?

2) What is a word for someone who doesn't believe in magic?

RegDwigнt

Everything has been answered a hundred times before.

That doesn't prevent people from asking "what is spouse means" on ELU. Or indeed on YouTube.

People do not read. People only write. Except they can't write for shit because they never read.

Jasper

I saw some channels on youtube using a script to make videos out of SE posts.

In particular, they made some answer from me in the past on ELU into a video.

RegDwigнt

Yes, you also saw a bunch of weird movies not even their own makers saw.

Jasper

21:58

Those channels are really crap.

RegDwigнt

You did say they were on YouTube.

Mitch

There are a handful that are OK

Jasper

I also discovered some news channels on youtube where they make a robot read some text that is news, and then call it some news channel. Again crap.

Mitch

Like that one where the... ha haa... it was hilarious... and that guy ha haa... and then he fell over.

ha ha

@Jasper The Chinese Xinhua news agency autonewscaster?

Jasper

I think if people want to make a youtube channel they should have original content, instead of just copying from others.

@Mitch No, not that kind. Something really crap.

RegDwigнt

22:00

@Jasper it's the same as with Ermenegildo Zegna, though. It doesn't matter if it's crap if someone is willing to pay $2000 for it.

The worth is not decided by the maker. Nor by a non-paying observer.

Jasper

It was a really special experience just now, almost fainting.

It was the first time in my life I almost fainted.

RegDwigнt

You faint every time you fall asleep.

Jasper

That is the definition of faint in the Owl Dictionary.

I usually see the channel The Tech Chap for computer reviews. You should check out his channel.

The best computer reviews on youtube, for me.

RegDwigнt

I don't need to review my computer.

My computer does not have enough RAM to handle a review.

Jasper

Your Windows Vista is more than a decade old. Time to change it!

Mitch

22:04

@Jasper You might want to tell someone.

RegDwigнt

Your left leg is more than a decade old.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt The 1990's is more than a decade old

RegDwigнt

You can't say something is old if it has been dead for 29 years.

Jasper

It does seem that installing the Intel Driver Support Assistant might be causing my computer to crash. I just uninstalled it.

By the way have you found a new Maria @RegDwigнt? =)

RegDwigнt

BTW did you read my last 50 answers to that question.

Nobody is looking for a Maria except for you.

Jasper

22:07

LOL

Mitch

If Mozart were my age, he would have been... wow, maybe dead already for a couple decades.

RegDwigнt

So how's your 41st symphony progressing.

Mitch

@Jasper Also it's almost 2020 and that kind of shit still happens. We'll never get our moonbase at this rate.

RegDwigнt

In fact I forgot about the moonbase.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Finished

RegDwigнt

22:08

Gimme the MIDI.

Mitch

Hold on...

RegDwigнt

I shall play it on most every instrument in the house.

Jasper

It seems that Oxford has stopped updating its full sized dictionaries for current English and other languages in paper form.

Mitch

Mozart Symphony No 41 I Animated Static Score

►

your part to sing a long with is right at the top.

RegDwigнt

That is not a MIDI. Y u liar.

Mitch

22:10

@Jasper there really are no more new words to put it.

Jasper

@Mitch I wanted to make a youtube video of me singing the Star Spangled Banner.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt ??? How they that old-timey font?

RegDwigнt

What is it with Mitch and spelling all of a sudden.

Mitch

@Jasper That's a weird song. But it is good for showing off range.

RegDwigнt

Has he been drinking acetone again.

Mitch

22:11

a fancier song is Rolling in the Deep by Adele

Jasper

@Mitch Yes, it is a very weird song. The notes are weird.

RegDwigнt

A fannier song, maybe.

Mitch

or that thing from Barber of Seville where Figaro says his own name over and over.

RegDwigнt

Bravo bravissimo?

Jasper

@Mitch I know that song. I might do it.

RegDwigнt

22:12

That is not his name.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt do you mean I'm getting better at it?

@RegDwigнt The barber? It's not?

RegDwigнt

I don't mean you're not getting worse.

Mitch

Luigi?

Jasper

@RegDwigнt I think you can do some singing on your channel also. =)

Mitch

Tommasino?

RegDwigнt

22:13

@Jasper I think you are in no position to tell other channels to have singing if you can't even manage for your own channel to have singing.

Jasper

LOL

Mitch

@RegDwigнt again? assuming I've stopped?

RegDwigнt

It is so tension and much duo, they had to write it fucking twice.

Mitch

hm caffeine and ibuprofen.

smart

RegDwigнt

They put the "harm" in "pharma industry".

Mitch

22:29

Oh.

You didn't say 'ham'

nevermind

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