English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

01:16

@KannE Did you mean "retired semi-professional or "semi-retired professional" assessor of decency?

KannE

02:18

@Robusto Ha-ha, well...I would say neither now. I'm too old for all that running away...shotguns just simplify assessing every time, but it doesn't pay much.

SmokeDetector

04:08

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer (80): Origins of the term "funny onion" by N. Ipples on english.SE

Matt E. Эллен

06:57

@Mitch basically the thinking was that if the person who posted the answer was against the modification, then it would be unfair to put words in their mouth, but the post couldn't stay as was.

@SmokeDetector thanks for pointing that out, it's an interesting question

SmokeDetector

09:50

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +9 more (1186): first2fitness.com/vital-keto-diet/ by rawalpinser on english.SE

Robusto

13:28

@MattE.Эллен: Well, the "colored girls" answer has been deleted. Is that the remedy you sought?

And who the fuck is Tim Post? How does he merit the right to censor a use/mention case here?

Mitch

13:43

@MattE.Эллен ok but there was some hidden communication with the answer author where they said they wouldn't edit or allow editing?

Robusto

14:12

So one person who is in histrionic high dudgeon on behalf of a theoretically offended group (one she apparently doesn't really belong to) in a use/mention case gets to have an entire answer deleted. This is crazy.

My liberal bona fides are impeccable and have long been established, but I have to say I disagree with this course of action.

This is the kind of shit that will get Trump reelected.

And the answer had 45 up votes compared with 3 downvotes. Wow.

terdon

15:02

@Robusto He's the head honcho from SE. The director of community management, sort of an uber CM.

@Robusto To be fair, she was far from histrionic. She posted a calm, detailed explanation of why it bothered her. One you even thanked her for.

Turning around and calling her histrionic now seems both out of line and hypocritical.

@1006a: Thanks for your candid response. I appreciate hearing your point of view. Actually, I would very much like to hear more about what you think on these matters. Can you stop by ELU chat sometime , or some other chat if that suits you better, so we can talk without you having to part out your thoughts in comments? — Robusto Feb 27 at 1:04

As for why it was deleted, I don't agree with it either, but it was in response to how the OP chose to deal with it.

@Mitch yeah, look at the last few comments.

Jasper

15:48

There are so many offensive words I don't even know about.

Jasper

16:44

Hello @terdon long time no see. I think I have not used Ubuntu for a couple of years now that I am back to Windows. =)

terdon

17:09

Hey @Jasper!

Mitch

@terdon I wasn't worried that it would all devolve to the author's opinion.

@Robusto 'histrionic'? That's hyperbolic.

terdon

@Mitch I mean it was the author's stance which seems to have made Tim delete it.

Mitch

Also, I don't see how this is censorship outside of an extremely superficial understanding of that term.

@terdon yes. (Which is something I predicted) well, what I predicted was that the answer author would not change it themselves. Or allow edits)

"I don't see how f***ing dead alter boys is upsetting to others so I'll leave it"

Because they're dead, so they really shouldn't feel anything.

And anyway that's a quote from someone else about --/f****ing dead altar boys--- Thise kind of people' So that's censorship.

terdon

Yep. And freedom of speech means I can say what I want and everyone has to listen. Sigh

That said, I really am in two minds about this one. I get where the flagger is coming from, I really do, but this is Walk on the wild side!

Mitch

17:25

That's your feeling about it though.

(And frankly also mine)

But it the use bothers some people and it wasn't an obligatory use.

I'm upset that they just deleted it but for purely pragmatic reasons.

More importantly than all of this is that...

My cursory internet research shows the lyrics to 'Wheels on the bus' have all the items "going' but the one human 'saying'

terdon

I didn't even know that wheels on the bus song which is one of the reasons I didn't like it as a replacement. I now know that's just my own ignorance though and it's pretty well known.

@Mitch Agreed.

It's just that it was such a perfect example! But yes, not worth it if it makes people uncomfortable and ends up detracting from instead of adding to the answer's usefulness.

Mitch

>The wheels on the bus go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
The wheels on the bus go round and round,
all through the town.

The wipers on the bus go swish, swish, swish;
Swish, swish, swish;
Swish, swish, swish.
The wipers on the bus go Swish, swish, swish,
all through the town.

The horn on the bus goes beep, beep, beep;
Beep, beep, beep;
Beep, beep, beep.
The horn on the bus goes beep, beep, beep,
all through the town…

The money on the bus goes, clink, clink, clink;
Clink, clink, clink;

terdon

@Mitch Ha! Which makes it a very bad example, yes. Still, I guess we can find another.

Mitch

So the perfect example is actually a perfect example for the other side of the argument (that people 'say' and things 'go'

terdon

17:41

yep

Mitch

> "F***ing dead altar boys go 'blorp blorp blorp'"

How's that?

terdon

Perfect. Just perfect.

speaking of

Come Home (Cardinal Pell) - Tim Minchin

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Mitch

I have lots of free time at the moment so I can be trolling all I want

Jasper

@terdon That reminds me of Mr Shiny who always posted such things.

terdon

I will take that as a compliment :)

Jasper

17:43

It seems that Mr Shiny and Kit Fox no longer come here.

Mitch

@terdon when I say lots of free time, until someone asks me to pull some things from high shelves...

....which just happened....

High shelf work done.

Where were we?

@Jasper they come back every so often.

But yes, not lately

Jasper

This room is much duller without them.

Mitch

When they're not talking about the difference between android and that other thing

Cerberus

18:34

Android Android Android.

An' droid.

Mitch

That other thing

Omg so bored

Robusto

18:56

@terdon Nonsense. I wanted to explore the issue with her in more detail. Maybe bring her around at least a little on the issue. And I was polite about asking. Is that hypocritical?

Maybe in your world it is.

@terdon So ... a bureaucrat.

Yes, it all makes sense now.

The thing I resented was the piling on by people who obviously had been brought in from outside to weigh in on the issue.

terdon

@Robusto You were indeed. What's hypocritical is being so polite in asking on the meta thread and then referring to her as being in "in histrionic high dudgeon".

@Robusto Um. Not really. He's the person in charge of the communities. I don't agree with his action either, but it was very much in his remit.

@Robusto Did you just tell me to eat shit and die?

Robusto

You can't distinguish between colorful language and hypocrisy.

terdon

@Robusto Did you just tell me to eat shit and die?

Robusto

@terdon You just called me a hypocrite, and I don't know where you get that idea.

terdon

@Robusto I did not. I called your actions hypocritical and explained precisely where I got the idea: you said one thing to her face and something very different behind her back.

terdon

19:16

And your reaction was to tell me to eat shit and die? Seriously?

At least that wasn't hypocritical.

RegDwigнt

@terdon um, I think you meant to link to his song that's titled "Not perfect".

You can't say "speaking of perfect" and then link to not "Not perfect" but to "Come home". What is this English.

Not Perfect by Tim Minchin (Live at the Royal Albert Hall)

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terdon

@RegDwigнt Heh, I was referring to the altar boys.

RegDwigнt

In that case you should be linking to Thank You God.

Thank You God - Tim Minchin

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Or really just at all times.

The Good Book is a close second of course. But there's too many different recordings of it out there that are each special in their own right.

terdon

@RegDwigнt Oh, that one's good!

RegDwigнt

No, that one's God!

But yeah the orchestration on that is fucking awesome. I get goosebumps when the tutti come in at the end.

Which reminds me, shouldn't it be lent time for you now just like for me.

Look at them orthodox Russians and orthodox Greeks bashing The Lord. Tsk tsk tsk.

terdon

19:30

Tsk tsk indeed.

RegDwigнt

Also also speaking of which, I follow so many Greeks on Instagram and Facebook now that sometimes I wonder if one of them is actually you and neither of us knows it.

How come there's so many Greeks on all the sites. Don't you have like only two million people in total or something.

BTW, did I tell you I actually visited Athens last summer for the first time in my life. (And by "visited" I mean I saw it from the airplane at night.)

Look ma. That's Athens.

(As Bridget Fonda says in Jackie Brown. Except she says "Japan".)

Anyway. I've not been drinking for the last five minutes, so I must go change that now.

Robusto

20:53

@terdon That is your interpretation.

And I see you called me a hypocrite again, only litotically this time.

If you say "That's a lie" to someone, that is the same as calling them a liar. If you say "That is hypocrisy" you are calling someone a hypocrite.

Look, if you can't understand something, here's a rule of thumb: don't wade into it hard, thinking you do. Mitch had no trouble understanding that my use of histrionic was hyperbolic, but I guess you missed school that day or something.

In any case, here we are again, all aflutter because of a bunch of chickenshit.

RegDwigнt

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Q: I can’t remeber a phrase

What’s that word or phrase for when someone says they can do something but it just so happens they can’t do it right now. For example if someone said that they could read minds but they couldn’t read your mind for some reason. What’s the phrase used???? It goes like, “oh how...” please help I don...

Come on guys, stop fighting each other, there's better targets for that on the Internet.

terdon

22:43

@Robusto That is your interpretation. But since you need to interact with uneducated fools like myself who can't understand that you didn't actually mean what you wrote, you might want to watch your tone to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.

@RegDwigнt They're all me.

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