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SmokeDetector

06:10

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +5 more (982): wellnesstrials.org/trevulan-es/ by ThurmaFincy on english.SE

SmokeDetector

06:30

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive title detected (55): How strong is using “you're a bitch” in a conversation? by user321726 on english.SE

Zebrafish

06:41

Just wondering, today I got -26 reputation, and it said user deleted. I know upvoted answers give you +10, accepted answers give you +15. That amounts to 25 points. But I got -26. Is the extra one point just for the hell of it?

Zebrafish

07:36

Maybe this deleted user upvoted three of my answers and downvoted 2 of them, 3 x 30 = 30, minues 2 x 2 = 4, 30 - 4 = 26?

SmokeDetector

11:19

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching product name in body (394): amazonhealthstore.com/ultra-trim-canada/ by margiehinshaw on english.SE

Mitch

12:55

What stands in a field and goes “Oooooh!” A cow with no lips.

Tweeted by DadsPuns on October 26, 2018 at 8:39 AM

Zebrafish

13:14

@Mitch poke

you there?

Mitch

13:42

@Zebrafish peeks around corner

closes eyes again

thinks about bears

thinks about cows with no lips and the sounds they might make

dreams about poking bears

nothing happens in dream

considers trying it out when awake

Zebrafish

14:07

@Mitch good day, nice avatar pic

i see you're obsessed with cows now

Mitch

and bears

Zebrafish

speaking of animals, did i mention how many words are recognised by dictionaries beginning with an animal and ending in like, unhyphenated that is, doglike, cowlike, antlike, whalelike, but not dolphinlike

yeah bears will mess you up

Mitch

You did not mention this.

phoenixlike

platypuslike

Zebrafish

i used to wonder who'd win a fight out of a silverback and a bear, i was sure a silverback would win, but now i know better, bears are HUGE!!!

so yeah, for whats it's worth, a bear would kick a silverback's ass pretty much, most likely

Mitch

silverbacks are... I don't think gorillas are killers. They're just very aggressive.

or maybe just scary

chimps are the killers

Zebrafish

14:11

there was a guy who lived in the wild with bears for a while, and got footage of them fighting, they're awesome fighters, it's like watching bears do MMA, it's amazing

Mitch

and sneaky about it

@Zebrafish There was the documentary about the guy who went to live with grizzlies. It didn't turn out well.

Zebrafish

yeah, well they eat basically vegetation and insects. though 20kg daily of it, or thereabouts

haha, are you serious? or are joking? I know of two docos, one was about a guy who developed really close bonds with bears... i'm sure he didn't die.

another one i'm thinking of is one where footage was caught of these bears fighting

Mitch

On the other hand, a big grizzly, you just want to give a hug.

not a bear hug though

Zebrafish

yeah that's the thing, cute and deadly, just like cats

Mitch

squeeze the breath right out of you

Zebrafish

14:13

yeah so this guy, he treated this bear like it was his kid, hugging it and cuddling it and stuff, and the whole time you know who's in control

Mitch

Grizzly Man

Grizzly Man is a 2005 American documentary film by German director Werner Herzog. It chronicles the life and death of bear enthusiast Timothy Treadwell. The film includes some of Treadwell's own footage of his interactions with grizzly bears before 2003, and of interviews with people who knew, or were involved with Treadwell, as well as professionals dealing with wild bears. He and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were mauled, killed and eaten by a grizzly bear on October 6, 2003. Treadwell's footage was found after his death. The bear that killed Treadwell and Huguenard was later encountered and...

Zebrafish

like any time the bear could just snap.... that's what you see on those lurid "when fun times go wrong" tv shows

Mitch

a movie long version of 'when fun times go wrong'

Zebrafish

hmmm, not sure if i've heard of that one, interesting... so even the kind ones will still kill you

damn, i feel like watching that

Mitch

I don't think they were 'kind', more like wary standoffish until you can decide food or not food, hm, I'm pretty hungry now so food.

Zebrafish

14:16

oh ok....

Mitch

@Zebrafish youtube has some of it I'm sure

Zebrafish

i seen footage of a bear, he was a film/stunt/performing bear, so he was used to people and that, and they got it into a playful wrestling match with this expeienced guy. at one point the bear got a little enthusiastic and was putting its weight on the way, when the trainers panicked just a little, they shouted at the beat to get him off, and then they made a big mistake of whacking it with a stick, really hard

when that happened the bear bit straight into the jugular, or carotid of the guy... and he was done

the guy stood up holding his neck, but that was it for him, he bled out....

so weird, they got that instinct, that animal, killer instinct, they know exactly what to go for

@Mitch anyway, just wondering... I lost 26 reputation today.... and it said deleted user....

i posted further up about it, i'll copy and paste " I know upvoted answers give you +10, accepted answers give you +15. That amounts to 25 points. But I got -26. Is the extra one point just for the hell of it?"

Mitch

@Zebrafish also, it's weird, but they're not people. they don't know the full consequences.

Zebrafish

@Mitch yeah i heard stories, like one story about a commercial producer, they had to get this wolf to snarl, and so what they had to do was to show it meat, and then take it away from it, to get it to snarl for the commercial, and the trainer was like "once we do this, it's a wrap", there's no going on, once you get the wolf in that state, it's home time.

Mitch

@Zebrafish I'd expect there's no randomness at all. It could be like you said afterwards, 3 up voted answers and two down votes against. or you did 4 down votes. or some other combination. The interface doesn't display who exactly deleted themselves.

it might be possible if you r memory is good, to look through your daily rep (it tells you what was an up or down vote against you when, and also what you downvoted and you can visit everything and see if any attached names have been grayed out.

Zebrafish

14:28

fair enough. oh well, i'll survive, don't worry about little old me, i'll just bleed reputation points and take it like a man, no need for pity, i'm an adult, i won't go on about this needlessly, the fact that points were taken away from me unfairly for no fault of my own, no siree I won't complain, or continue to bring up the topic

Mitch

@Zebrafish I don't want to know what they're doing to babies in movies to get them to cry. that's also a one shot thing. Baby crying, _somebody's gotta deal with that for 10 meinutes at least.

Zebrafish

damn.....

Mitch

@Zebrafish people deleting is annoying. rep is playing with your psychology, it doesn't have any meaning beyond you spend time on here and try to answer/ask stuff.

Zebrafish

it somehow seems so evil, but at the same time babies cry all the time so I'm sure people justify it by saying to themselves "If i don't make em cry now they'll be crying within the hour anyway." That's how these people sleep at night

Mitch

the velocity of rise is a question of how much time you spend and also whether your answers are popular, not necessarily quality.

Zebrafish

14:31

got into an argument with a guy, about 10k rep, about a question....

Mitch

@Zebrafish spend time with a baby. they cry.

Zebrafish

now that i think about it... i think one of my sentences came off wrong. STill I insisted that he was wrong, over, and over....

Mitch

you get used to it, but i don't think anybody is that dismissive.

@Zebrafish It's hard. I am right and that guy is wrong. and if not, I'm a better person.

Zebrafish

dunno. What pissed me off the most is he came out of nowhere, downvoted both answers, completely ignoring the dictionary definition, and saying he was right

that's what made me continue to argue against him, i was just going by what the dictionary says

Mitch

Sometimes there's different points of view, sometimes the other person just doesn't know the things you do (they may know less, they may know a different direction. Also, some people just like to talk and/or argue. Just because somebody says something, there may not actually mean it. Not lying, but just words coming out.

Zebrafish

14:35

i so felt like downvoting, but i got a no downvote policy, which come to think of it rather dumb

Mitch

or it could be you.

hahahhaha

@Zebrafish I used to have a (almost never) no downvote policy, or at least a high threshold for downvoting than upvoting.

Zebrafish

it's weird though.... this subject is especially ripe for talking in circles, because it's so opinion based...

I think it was you who was saying something was an adjective.... and someone was saying it wasn't, it was a determiner or something....

Mitch

but now I tend to down vote a little more often because sometimes an explanation is too much, they just need to know it just wasn't a good answer.

@Zebrafish oh yeah, but that was a reasonable argument. reasonable stances on multiple sides. They were wrong of course.

hahhahah

Zebrafish

yeah i feel a complete no downvote policy isn't good.... oh well, i just didn't wan't to seem petty downvoting because they downvoting me

yeah but... but... this is what i mean, it's so subjective, like who was right?

So like modern grammars don't recognise them as adjectives, and they say don't use the dictionaries for this purpose, yet I checked the most recent revisions of some dictionaries, many of them have their newest edition in 2012 onwards.... meaning, that if grammarians decided all of a sudden that this or that word is X and not Y, seems to be plenty of time for dictionaries to absorb that info

Mitch

@Zebrafish oh. that's weird. that's similar to the problem of edit wars. a person says something, let's say, wrong in a question, and you edit it to 'clarify', but the OP edits it back. it's real hard to not feel entitled to tell the person 'GTH' and re-edit. but I feel like going back and forth is not worth the trouble.

@Zebrafish dictionaries have problems, but they're not that bad

Zebrafish

14:41

yeah

Mitch

dictionaries, good ones, tend to be a little conservative. They are constantly editing things to update and to fix, but there are more words than editors.

there's no such thing as a 'grammarian' (unless it is a school English teacher). there are linguists whose specialty might be English syntax.

Zebrafish

some arguments are just weird, i remember one about whether you can grudgingly concur. Someone was saying you can grudgingly agree but can't grudgingly concur, I disagreed...

Mitch

and so defining adjective and article is inside baseball, way inside.

oh maybe English as a foreign language people will argue about such concepts and labels.

Zebrafish

damn baseball analogies... you're killing me here, that's the second time i had to look that up in a week... i'll probably forget again

Mitch

anyway, an article is undeniably a lot like other adjectives, moreso than they are like nouns or verbs or adverbs.

@Zebrafish I grudgingly concur with your perspective

concur and agree are pretty close.

Zebrafish

14:45

yeah, a lot of people on here are really cool, that's when I say ok so we disagree, that's cool....

Mitch

@Zebrafish i don't think it has much to do exactly with baseball, just it's a metaphor for any subgroup with it's own jargon and rules that may not mean much to outsiders.

Zebrafish

oh i see, so it's not like out of left field or getting to second base

Mitch

So saying 'an' is not an adjective it's an article, is like saying a golden retriever is not a mammal, it's a dog.

@Zebrafish no. those are just baseball metaphors. You don't really need to know baseball to appreciate those metaphors. You actually don't need to know about baseball to get the idea of 'inside baseball' either

Zebrafish

i don't know, and really i don't care that much outside of this site. I can't imagine in my normal having to identify accurately what part of the sentence a word is... hardly anyone is required to do that, so my interest is just.... extracurricular and for the sake of itself, probably out of boredom

Mitch

something that is literally inside baseball is the infield pop-up rule, if a hitter pops up the ball in the infield, then... oh I have no idea...it is too inside baseball for me.

Zebrafish

14:50

at least baseball is a proper sport, have you seen cricket?

Mitch

@Zebrafish language learners care because it gives them an easier way to make correct sentences. You learn a rule and then can substitute in words that match the parameters of the rule.

@Zebrafish haha. if you squint, cricket and baseball are equivalent.

1) they're both boring

that's it.

Zebrafish

@Mitch Yeah ok, good point, language learners do. But I have a feeling I'd be confusing them more by saying this is an adjective, but be careful because a lot of people will disagree, starting around 2000 grammarians decided that this is a determiner, or no longer the subjunctive mood

Mitch

haha, no they both have arcane rules about where the ball is and if you touch it and what the why is that guy so happy when I thought that was an out or an inning or a sticky wicket or whatever.

Zebrafish

baseball is so faster paced though, cricket.... man, it goes for days, well the test matches do....

Mitch

faster paced? baseball is already so slow. like golfing in snow.

like ice fishing in the desert

like watching dry paint get dryer

Zebrafish

14:54

hahah, fishing is plenty slow without even adding variations to it

Mitch

like stargazing during the day

like watching water evaporate during the rain

Zebrafish

@Mitch hey, do you know how to do strikethrough on a post?

Mitch

@Zebrafish I've wondered that many times, figured it out many times, then forgotten... many times.

Zebrafish

I mean in a typographical sense, I don't mean to hit anything.

Mitch

But...

I think '<s>' works

so <s> this should be struck out</s>

hm... I thnk maybe it doesn't work in chat

~~I think this might work?~~

aha... in chat '---' works

Zebrafish

15:04

because some pedant seems to have misinterpreted my point, I want to change a line in my answer, but also like to strikethrough it to show what I had shown before, cause, you know, i'm a fair guy, and saintly, and angelic, and just a nice guy overall....

Mitch

but in text on the main site it's <s> blah blah </s>

Zebrafish

ok i'll try your wild guesses.....

Mitch

@Zebrafish pedants are the worst

@Zebrafish you can just do it in an edit to see the outcome wihtout having to save. just don't save.

Zebrafish

i saw a guy with a shirt on today saying "grumpy 100% of the time". I felt like going up to him and saying oh come one, it can't possibly be 100%

Mitch

@Zebrafish don't poke the bear!

it'll just make them grumpier

Zebrafish

15:06

i would have risked it too if i didn't think the shirt was dead serious

sometimes clothes tell a lot about people, like this shirt

yep, that works, html style, even though i know nothing about html, that was right... thanks

Færd

16:31

@Cerberus Take your time!

@Mitch Right. Two problems there: marrying the constituency's interest more effectively to election results, and good education to inform people about that marriage.

.

So some people allow connecting two short sentences by means of a comma, right?

> Don't take a taxi, just wait for me.

I wouldn't do that unless in conventional cases, like with tag questions, yes/no, addresses, etc:

> - Blah blah blah, right?
- Yes, that's exactly correct, my dear.

.

Sep 7 '16 at 15:42, by Færd

I'm reading a dictionary page by page. Am I nuts?

I finished P today. That's how so very fast I am.

KannE

17:45

@Færd I'm not a fan of comma splices, but I like this take on it: grammartips.homestead.com/spliceok.html.

Mitch

19:17

@Færd That is classically called a 'comma splice'

> The comma splice is sometimes used in literary writing to convey a particular mood of informality. Otherwise, it is usually considered an error.

I do it all the time here in chat. But if I were writing something that other people would read, I would either: 1) replace with a colon. 2) replace with a period and have better transition (extra words or conjunction 3) reword to avoid.

@Færd But, and this is my point, many people are so disengaged/uncaring/anti-thought that education does not register.

@Færd Wait...so in two years you just got to the letter Q? Which dictionary are you using?

@Færd I wouldn't call that slow. It's not a particular fluent read.

also what are you reading for? To have exposure or to learn each for use?

RegDwigнt

0

Q: Attention! what I have found

Sleep which was never so ghastly an experience as it has become now... Why did someone use the indefinite article 'an' here in what should have been a preposition 'in'. Is it correct or not? Please suggest.

grammar

Now that's a great question title.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt They are here in chat right now! @Faizan

RegDwigнt

@Jasper I was expecting a video, too. I have a whole bunch of things semi-prepared, actually. Alas, I've been somewhat occupied with composing new things instead. And teaching. And then my teacher asked me to arrange a 4-minute orchestral piece for two violins. So yeah that's what I'm actually doing right now.

@Mitch well as I said. Great title. I immediately clicked.

Mitch

19:33

@RegDwigнt haha...I ruined it by editing it out

RegDwigнt

OMG everybody, this guy is ruining things. Everybody look at this guy.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Wait... an orchestral piece with ... counts ... lots of instruments, and you have to pare it down to just two violins?

@RegDwigнt It me.

RegDwigнt

That's what I've been doing for like a year now, which is why she asked me in the first place to do it with this piece as well.

Titanic Soundtrack - Southampton

►

Mitch

fun to see which words were born when you were

RegDwigнt

Another student of hers wants to play this. So she asked me to arrange it with his skillset in mind.

Mitch

19:36

@RegDwigнt More importantly, you made me click on that and I got the 5 bajillionth ad for effing Grammarly.

RegDwigнt

Oh I just report every Grammarly ad that I get.

You can do that on YouTube.

Tell them to not show it to you again for being inappropriate.

Mitch

I ALREADY KNOW HOW TOO GRAMMAR ALREADY, BITCHES

RegDwigнt

I had to do that a few times, but they started listening after a while. I rarely get any anymore.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I do that the same on twitter. I never see those ads again. I just see different ones that I don't want to see. Stupid AI.

RegDwigнt

Well you can't have your ad and eat it, too.

There is no such thing as a free ad.

Also, joke's on you for using Twitter.

Mitch

19:39

@RegDwigнt Hm... I could see that w/ two violins. except for the weird drumming parts.

RegDwigнt

But YouTube, that one is rather inescapable, alas.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt It's where I get my best jokes.

Wait... don't respond to that.

@RegDwigнt do you at least have a score, or are you doing it totally from hearing it?

RegDwigнt

@Mitch yeah melody wise it's exceptionally straightforward. That's not the challenge. The challenge is picking the key so her accompaniment has room to breathe underneath the melody. But there is very little room, because the student can only play a few notes in first position, so I can't just go arbitrarily high.

Mitch

aren't there apps that will create a score from listening to a sample (a score just for that sample, not extrapolating out a whole symphony)a

RegDwigнt

Like, the first four bars alone span several octaves. He can't play that. So I have to transpose midway through it, or switch his part with hers, or just rewrite from scratch.

That's the fun of it.

Keeps your brain busy.

Mitch

19:42

@RegDwigнt do beethoven's ninth. only like a spread of a fifth for that main theme.

What I'm saying is, skip Titanic go directly to Beethoven

RegDwigнt

@Mitch I actually searched for something like that a while back, but no, there is no such thing. No app can listen to an orchestra, or even just a singer with a guitar, and spell out the notes.

@Mitch I do things like that for myself. But this is a piece specifically requested by someone else, so yeah they get to pick.

Jasper

@RegDwigнt My third video was not well done, so I deleted it, but I will redo it when I am feeling better.

RegDwigнt

I did catch it.

You need to delete things faster for them to escape me.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I distinctly remember going to some PC applications conference (or some conference where there were those kinds of exhibitors) and watched a demo of some guy, totally improvising some riff on a piano, and the app 'scored' it, the melody and some chords, capturing the 'off-beat' notes and triples and everything.

maybe it was for a Mac

RegDwigнt

Well it's not something that sounds entirely undoable to me, which is why I did search for it in the first place.

But no cigar.

user1414

19:45

roll over beethoven

Mitch

but it was impressive. the guy wasn't playing all chords, or any counterpoint. just one hand.

RegDwigнt

Well yes the fewer voices the easier. Timbre is a bitch. An app really has no way of telling if an overtone belongs to an oboe or a violin.

Mitch

@user1414 goddammit... an ad for underarmour

RegDwigнt

I got no ads. I got Chuck Berry.

Mitch

@user1414 You know, that is great, really great,... but ...

but the Beatles did it better

Jasper

19:47

@RegDwigнt However, you can rest assured I will never ever delete my channel. QED.

RegDwigнt

Very good.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt oh. yeah. I'm sure the process is simplified considerably by expecting only a single instrument and little harmony

Jasper

Deleting a channel is like deleting a SE account, and deleting a video is like deleting a SE post. What an interesting analogy!

RegDwigнt

Anyway. I've previously arranged orchestral pieces for two violins, or a violin and a viola, or two violins and a piano. The more you do it, the easier it gets and the better you become.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt lunaverus.com

or maybe you want something for free?

RegDwigнt

19:50

@Jasper you can't delete an SE post. It's published under CC-SA, so it belongs to the world forever.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt too many notes

Jasper

Tonight, I will meet a friend returning from overseas, and tomorrow I will meet another friend returning from overseas. I am gonna talk to them and see how they can help me with my problems.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch that could be useful. Though I bet it won't run on this 12-year old machine with 32-bit Vista.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt triangle and tambourine

sublime!

@RegDwigнt turns eyes away in embarassment

RegDwigнt

You can actually mimic percussion quite well on stringed instruments. From violin to the guitar to the piano to the harp.

Jasper

19:51

@RegDwigнt Ah, so Cerberus uses XP and you use Vista. How interesting!

RegDwigнt

I would be using XP too but I was literally two months too late. They only had Vista.

But I've told the story many times before.

Mitch

It's a pattern. The oldest people here use the oldest OSes

RegDwigнt

It's not really interesting at all anymore.

Cerberus

Hello.

Jasper

To be honest, I have used XP and Vista and 10. I thought 10 is the best and Vista is the worst, but now thinking again, I think they are all very similar.

user1414

19:52

hi pal

Mitch

Whereas I, a baby, use linux from the future

Cerberus

I didn't think we were older than the rest.

Though sometimes it feels that way.

Hi!

RegDwigнt

See, his XP is bugged to the point where anyone anywhere on the planet saying "XP" immediately sends him a PM to wake up.

Cerberus

You change e-mail addressses so often!

Mitch

@RegDwigнt It's not about getting new information, it's in reliving the experience of hearing the story again

Cerberus

19:53

@RegDwigнt Bugged how?

Jasper

@Cerberus Are you talking about me?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I just explained. You need to read.

Cerberus

@Jasper Not this time.

@RegDwigнt OK...

RegDwigнt

@Mitch I use Linux at work. It is never from the future. You are a liar.

Jasper

@Cerberus Oh I see. I hope Reg did not change his email because of the emails he got from me.

Mitch

19:54

@Jasper To be honest, I'm so old I programmed for 3.1, was excited about the API coming out for 3.2, and haven't cared a good goddam since.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I don't see anything about a bug in XP, but, oh, well.

I remember 3.x!

RegDwigнt

Used SUSE, used Ubuntu, used RedHat, used Debian. All of them — all of them — were 2000 years behind Windows 95.

Cerberus

@Jasper No, Skully.

Jasper

@Cerberus Oh, Skully never emailed me, sad.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I may well be a liar in more than just my words, but a fact is a fact, and I am using linux from next summer, months after I will be born

@Cerberus haha. it was crap compared to the Apple IIe

RegDwigнt

19:56

Cool. I'll send you a birthday card as PDF. See if your Linux can open it.

Cerberus

@Mitch I've never used Apple stuff.

Jasper

Is it Mitch birthday today?

Mitch

@Cerberus You must be a sad sad man

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt PDFs suck in most situations. They're overused.

@Mitch Happy.

Apple sucks.

Dixi.

RegDwigнt

Your mom is overused.

PDFs are fine.

Mitch

19:57

I'm so old I remember when my computer had 33 program command space

Jasper

Good thing is PDF embeds fonts and can be opened anywhere. Most people can view PDFs.

Mitch

less if you wanted to use some as variables.

and I was happy to get that

RegDwigнt

Except since the most recent update two weeks ago, my Linux refuses to run Acrobat Reader. Ever again.

Cerberus

> Dixi Klo, nickname for a German brand of portable toilet houses TOI TOI & DIXI Sanitärsysteme

Jasper

Also, PDF can have very sharp fonts, unlike DJVU but the latter is of smaller size.

Mitch

19:58

@Cerberus Operad dixiuntur

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Can't you just use Sumatra?

@Mitch ?

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Oh. Yeah. I have your socks now.

Jasper

Adobe is the best PDF viewer in terms of good looking fonts. I tried 20 PDF viewers on Windows.

Cerberus

Oh, Sumatra doesn't work on Linux.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Probably a good move. Acrobat Reader is just virus promulgation software

RegDwigнt

19:59

Oh don't get me started on fonts.

Jasper

Nothing comes close to Adobe.

Mitch

@Cerberus You're Latin, figure it uot

RegDwigнt

All the fonts on my Linuxes always change every couple years. Sponaneously and completely.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I think he just has

RegDwigнt

Well, I am a graphic and web designer. I absolutely need fonts to do anything at work at all, other than watching YouTube all day.

Jasper

20:00

I don't study fonts professionally. I just use whatever fonts I like.

Cerberus

In most situations in which people use PDFs, it isn't necessary. They might as well have copy-pasted it into an e-mail or attached the page as an image file, put it online in html, or publushed it as EPUB, DOC, etc.

Mitch

You guys gotta really on the fonts. Also your visual acuity. Good eyesight just means everything will look just that little bit more out of whack.

RegDwigнt

Oh and speaking of YouTube, since the latest "patch" my Linux refuses to display half the YouTube videos.

Jasper

@Cerberus Yes but many people cannot open DOC.

RegDwigнt

Some codec missing or something. Again, forever.

Cerberus

20:01

@RegDwigнt Right, for design stuff, PDFs can be very important. But that's not how most people use them.

Mitch

@Cerberus you had me at 'isn't necessary' but then lost me again after the '.'

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I now don't use PDFs at all, apparently.

Jasper

@RegDwigнt Sometimes, youtube rolls back itself to the old interface. Maybe some hard disk on its servers is not updated.

Cerberus

@Mitch My sentence will admittedly not win a beauty contest.

@RegDwigнt Yay.

Jasper

Also, I will never refer to the youtube analytics again, which is completely broken. I sent them feedback saying the numbers are all wrong @RegDwigнt.

RegDwigнt

20:03

@Jasper yes, and sometimes Babbage rolls in his grave, thinking of what we've done to his invention.

@Jasper don't send people feedback. Ever.

Cerberus

The only reason why I might not want to buy an AMD processor for my new computer is that it's the smaller platform: ceteris paribus, it's always best to use the largest platform there is.

RegDwigнt

You'd buy it if it were called cerberus paribus.

Jasper

@Cerberus What do you men by small platform?

Cerberus

Only if it were good Latin.

RegDwigнt

Good Latin ite domus.

Cerberus

20:04

@Jasper Having much less software attuned to it, having far fewer users.

Jasper

@Cerberus I heard the Ryzen is very powerful, better than Intel.

Cerberus

Well, depends on what you use it for.

They're mostly about aequal.

RegDwigнt

I heard The Ryzen Lord was a song by Chris de Burgh.

Cerberus

Yeah, stupid name.

Jasper

Anyway, my Acer Swift 3 is very good. I will use it for at least 10 years.

Cerberus

20:05

But what did you expect from a multinational.

Good!

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus of course it's stupid, it's Dutch.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt The first 'program' by Ada, Lady Byron, was to compute arbitrary sequence of Bernouilli numbers. Send me to the math hater's dungeon, but that ain't some great thing either.

Cerberus

My computer has turned ten as well.

I built in sometime in 2008.

Jasper

The only bad thing about it is that the backlit keyboard goes off after 30 seconds, but I don't really use that.

Mitch

It ain't a fart app, but it doesn't really put a rocket down someone's gullet either.

Cerberus

20:06

@RegDwigнt Hardly.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch and yet even that stupid program never prevented you from reading PDFs.

Mitch

@Cerberus Um 10 moths would put you way back on Dec 2017

also months

Cerberus

Corrected!

Mitch

Me too!

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus de Burgh totally is a Dutch name.

Jasper

20:07

I was thinking of getting the Dell Inspiron 3576 or 5570 but I read reviews that the cooling solution is not good, so the computer is often very hot.

RegDwigнt

Next up you'll tell me "Beethoven" doesn't mean "beetroot farms".

Mitch

de Bleurgh is a bit nauseated

Jasper

I am not sure if the reviewers are biased against Dell, because they said that for two Dell popular laptops.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Yes.

RegDwigнt

Dell go to hell.

That is my unbiased review.

Cerberus

20:08

@RegDwigнt I don't know what beet means, except bite. But not beet, which is biet.

A hof is likely a farm, yes.

Jasper

Another nice laptop you may want to consider is the HP 14 inch notebook.

Cerberus

Why would I buy a laptop?

Mitch

how about the MacBook Pro Air

Jasper

@Cerberus You prefer a desktop?

Cerberus

@Mitch It's all air.

@Jasper Yes.

Mitch

20:09

@Cerberus for chatting in coffee shops

Cerberus

You can't really build your own laptop.

Mitch

@Cerberus I beg to differ. it is very thin and dense

Cerberus

@Mitch I don't drink coffee, and I have my phone for that.

@Mitch Dense, yes.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus you cheated and changed it. It's still beet in Afrikaans.

Look it up.

Jasper

@Cerberus Same as Reg. I get a laptop so that I can easily bring it anywhere. I often use the computer on my bed, for example.

Cerberus

20:10

Really?

Mitch

@Cerberus phones are way too small, and if they're not, then they're big enough to be laptops

Cerberus

Beet really doesn't look Dutch to me. But you may be right.

@Mitch But they are good enough.

RegDwigнt

beet

Noun: beet (plural beets)

Beta vulgaris, a plant with a swollen root which is eaten or used to make sugar.
The beet is a hardy species.
There are beets growing over these.
A beetroot, a swollen root of such a plant.
beet (plural [please provide])

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Mitch

maybe it is "bee - thoven"

Jasper

Also, I make sure I will not delete my outlook account this time used to install Office, otherwise I can't reinstall it.

Cerberus

20:11

@Jasper I really don't understand why people want to go to bed with their computers, but I hear many people are that way.

Jasper

@Cerberus Right now, I am typing while lying on my tummy. I think it is common.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Afrikaans probably got that from English.

Mitch

@Cerberus it's a modern epidemic

it's an epidemic because everyone does it.

RegDwigнt

Afrikaans got everything from somewhere.

Cerberus

@Jasper It's super uncomfortable! But suit yourself.

Mitch

20:12

it's modern because it's now

Jasper

OMG, you mean you don't do that, type on your tummy?

Mitch

it's bad because laptops and phones steal your dreams

Cerberus

@Mitch It's just not efficient. But then most people are inefficient with computer stuff anyway, so fine.

Jasper

@Mitch Looks like I am super modern then!

Mitch

that's a bit hyperbolic, but they prevent you from having dreams. also they squinch up your eyes

RegDwigнt

20:13

Aphantasia prevents you from having dreams without any of the side effects.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt ???

RegDwigнt

Aphantasia

Aphantasia is the suggested name for a condition where one does not possess a functioning mind's eye and cannot voluntarily visualize imagery. The phenomenon was first described by Francis Galton in 1880 but has since remained largely unstudied. Interest in the phenomenon renewed after the publication of a study in 2015 conducted by a team led by Professor Adam Zeman of the University of Exeter, which also coined the term aphantasia. Research is scarce. Further studies are planned. == History == The phenomenon was first described by Francis Galton in 1880 in a statistical study about mental imagery...

Mitch

No more Mickey Mouse walking among dinosaurs with Stravinsky?

"has since remained largely unstudied"

RegDwigнt

Stravinsky sucked so much, even Stravinsky said that Stravinsky sucked.

Jasper

@RegDwigнt Sounds like anaphora and anorexia.

Cerberus

20:14

I need a good mouse with lots of buttons, a large, strong keyboard with lots of buttons, a large screen that can also do portrait mode, a computer that isn't easily damaged, and parts that can easily be replaced. None of those things a laptop can give you. In addition, laptop hardware is a lot more expensive for the same power.

So it makes no sense for me to buy a laptop.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch not on YouTube it hasn't. Every other video on YouTube be like "hey guys look at this cool word I discovered, and it's the same word that every other video on YouTube has discovered"

Jasper

@RegDwigнt Do you listen to composer Modest Mussorgky?

RegDwigнt

No, I only look at his pictures from the exhibition.

Jasper

@Cerberus I now think you are a computer expert, lol.

Cerberus

I'm not an expert. All of those points are obvious.

RegDwigнt

20:16

@Cerberus oh but you could buy a laptop to complain about how shitty it is. Seems like you'd totally be into that kind of thing.

Cerberus

Hardly.

RegDwigнt

Have you learned a new word?

Cerberus

Next thing you want me to buy a gun.

RegDwigнt

Everyone look at Cerberus, he opened his dictionary at the letter H today.

Cerberus

Heliotrope.

Jasper

20:17

Diaheliotropism is a big word.

RegDwigнt

Your mom is a big word.

Jasper

It is not found in most dictionaries.

RegDwigнt

Your mom is so big, she's actually two words.

Cerberus

Hypokeimenon.

Jasper

I happen to know how to spell floccinaucinihilipilification.

RegDwigнt

20:19

You have a typo in there.

Jasper

I can also spell pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

RegDwigнt

This one's okay.

Right guys I need to go arrange more of James Horner.

Cerberus

You still haven't sorted out his body parts?

I thought you froze him like a month ago.

Mitch

@Cerberus There's a scene fro 'The Expanse' where this guy takes... well it ends up not going so well for the people who walked in.

@Cerberus I want a new drug, one that won't make me sick, one that won't make me crash my car or make me feel too thick, one that won't hurt my head, one that won't make my mouth too dry or make my eyes too red.

RegDwigнt

20:35

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