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Cerberus

00:00

Not that we went to the museum anyway.

I went there only a month ago, to see the new Rembrandt which was displayed there temporarily.

Wikipaedia calls them "dependencies".

4 hours later…

tchrist

04:07

@Cerberus What's the etymological relationship between puteo and putro? Those are different, right?

I got lost chasing the adjective putrid in English and the verb pudrir in Spanish, for they dovetail and crisscross into both those Latin verbs.

Cerberus

@tchrist Lewis & Short say that puter is from puteo.

tchrist

For the Spanish verb, it said "From the older podrir, from Vulgar Latin *putrīre, from Latin putrere, present active infinitive of putrō; confer English putrid." but that seems like the wrong confer then.

> Etymology: < Middle French putride (of a fever) caused by putrefaction (1314 in Old French in fievre putride : see putrid fever n. at Special uses), in a state of putrefaction, foul (16th cent. in Paré; French putride ) and its etymon classical Latin putridus rotten, decaying, foul, purulent, diseased, (of soil) crumbly < putrēre to rot ( < puter (also putris ) rotten < the same Indo-European base as foul adj.) + -idus -id suffix1.

But putrere should be putro not puteo, no?

Next time somebody mentions a rotten computer, we'll know why. :)

And yes, I was already in beddish.

> In sense 5 originally rendering classical Latin putris in Virgil.

> Compare the following slightly earlier example (perhaps in sense ‘overripe’), although it is unclear whether this is to be interpreted as Anglo-Norman or Middle English:
1420–1 in N. S. B. Gras Early Eng. Customs Syst. (1918) 495 De Philippo Albert pro..xxi balis dates putrid, pr. £ xxviii.

Thanks. We can talk tomorrow. I'm deliriously tired.

Cerberus

04:24

@tchrist L&S doesn't have putro.

It does have putreo, which is from puter.

tchrist

Ah.

Cerberus

So it's puteo -> puter/putris (adjective) -> putreo -> putror (noun).

If L&S is to be believed.

tchrist

Those were the parts of speech I'd thought you meant. :)

Not to be confused with pudor.

Cerberus

Indeed not.

Nor with chador.

tchrist

Yes, but all those pu- looking things run together.

Cerberus

04:31

Like puto?

Putain?

tchrist

All the Iberian languages use pudor unchanged from Latin, although it's a bit higher in register than the more common word for shame.

Cerberus

Hmm.

tchrist

The more normal one is from verecundia, but got filed down to less than that. A sinvergüenza is a shameless person.

pudenda ≠ putrenda

Cerberus

Hmm why less?

It's bedtime, adieu!

Cup Fever

05:04

cya

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Feeds

06:24

Q: Minor question about a sports "Tag" : when will it end

I encountered in a textbook of TOEFL, which is explaining the origin of the basketball, and I encountered the sports, tag,, which in my country is unfamiliar or unknown ( probably ) or should be existed it would be a different kind to us. The excerpt from the textbook Naismith started tackli...

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Feeds

09:24

Q: Common Word including animals and humans?

I'm creating a youtube channel where i will upload interesting videos of animals and humans. But don't know the name. Anyone please let me know common word including animals and humans?

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RegDwigнt

15:10

@Cerberus you could go to the Hermitage twenty times, and still not see half of the stuff that's on display there, and 90% of their stuff is not even on display to begin with. That palace is enormous. It is gigantic.

Not sure about your local branch though.

But seeing how it's in Holland it can only be smaller than the original, because the original Hermitage is five times the size of Holland.

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Feeds

18:02

Q: Is there a valid word for 'exclusatory'?

In my answer here, I wrote: Now, there is zero evidence that someone who feels marginalized was made to feel marginalized due to racism or sexism or ableism or any other exclusatory ism. Rereading the post, I noticed that exclusatory, though fully understandable, isn't technically a 'real' ...

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18:38

Q: adjective to describe someone who "love life"

I'm looking for an adjective to describe someone who "love life" meaning they love the very fact of being alive, are excited to experience the possibilities of living. I'm not talking about people loving THEIR personal lives (so world such as "happy" or "fulfilled"wouldn't work here) but rather ...

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18:54

Q: to dislike someone while acting like you get on/along

I am looking for a verb (it can be a one-word verb or a phrasal verb) to use for a person who dislikes someone but still acts like they get on (mildly) in order to avoid problems in a group of friends and colleagues. The idea is to be able to describe the relationships of the people in the group...

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Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I know, I've been to the one in Petersburg too.

All large musaea have 90+ % of their stuff in depots.

The most memorable experience I had there was the view of an all-female construction crew working on something in the musaeum.

It looked all nice and Commie to us.

Oh, and of course all the art.

Big Old Catherine was quite the collectress.

Of all the great musaea I haven't visited yet, the ones I'd like to see most are perhaps the British Museum and the one in Taipei.

Robusto

19:16

@Cerberus " . . . muaesa"? C'mon, that's a bizarre spelling even for you.

Feeds

19:26

Q: word for someone who is driven by morality

I'm looking for a word to describe someone who is very driven by morality, constantly trying to do what they believe is morally right. This word would be use is a sentence like "I really admire her, she truly is a (...) person. Thank you :D

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RegDwigнt

@Robusto I think it's a rather nice mœseaique of letters.

Mœse, of course, being the German word for cunt.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt pfft...you mean 'queynte'

Vadim Galygin

19:42

Hello! I am having problems with naming as usual, I am making a database model to save some information about various documents (such as invoices) used in system, I have in this database something like shared contact details.
Currently I am using this name: "DocumentDetail" is it OK?

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I thought that was vegetables. Same difference, I guess.

Wait, I'm thinking of gemœse, of course.

Which means gecunt or something similar.

But seriously, folks, isn't it time we had an intervention for the doggy? Friends don't let friends spell "museums" as "muaesa" ... amirite?

Cerberus

@Robusto Oops!

@VadimGalygin Sounds fine to me!

Robusto

I mean, affectation is one thing, but this adds another couple of orders of magnitude to that ... all the way to foppishness.

Cerberus

Or DocInfo.

Robusto

@Cerberus DocInfo is just a euphemism for WebMD.

Cerberus

19:58

Umm.

I'm probably missing some pun!

Robusto

@Cerberus webmd.com

Cerberus

I'm not aware of any relevant connotations, nor innuendae's regarding those names.

Robusto

What are connonantions?

Perhaps you meant connotations?

Cerberus

Ugh.

Robusto

Have you been drinking?

Cerberus

19:59

I'm doing so many things at the same time, I'm a bit tired and unfocused.

Robusto

@Cerberus Let's unpack this: DocInfo => Doc Info => Doctor Info => Doctor Information => Web MD => WebMd.com

Cerberus

Ahh, I knew there had to be a pun.

Robusto

That goes without saying in this chat.

Cerberus

I'm all sober, but I have a hangover and not had a quiet moment all day and a zeugma.

Robusto

Claro que sí.

@Cerberus A zeugma, eh? I guess the yoke's on you.

Cerberus

20:03

My inner self is probably chuckling.

Robusto

How could you tell?

Cerberus

I'd probably need to go to India or some such place to discover my true self.

Thanks to you, I am now reading about giant hogweed.

> Giant hogweed can be hard to remove completely. To be sure it doesn’t grow back, you have to remove the entire root and avoid spreading the seeds. Don’t try to use a weed-whacker on them; the sap on the stems could splatter into your eyes, which can cause permanent blindness.

webmd.com/allergies/news/20180625/…

Vadim Galygin

@Cerberus thanks!

Cerberus

20:19

> Sosnowsky's hogweed was once common only in the Caucasus area, but due to a decision to use it as a silage plant, it quickly spread in many areas of Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine. This decision was made in 1947, under Stalin's rule, so when the species later proved to be highly invasive and difficult to remove, people started to call it "Stalin's revenge".

RegDwigнt

20:47

@Robusto vegetables, you say.

Greg Davies "Vegetables" - Would I Lie to You? [HD] [CC- EN,DA,FI,ET]

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You should watch that. It's about an Austrian man trying to say "vegetables".

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21:05

Q: Is there a term for "an official text for how to handle certain scenarios"?

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