English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mitch

21:00

@Færd I need a name so I can tell me real estate agent

Cerberus

@Mitch But no doubt cheaper than a similar 'hood in Paris.

Mitch

where is the... it was in that movie... some springs?

somethety something Hafez?

Cerberus

People shouldn't spring.

Mitch

@Cerberus In Paris I think cheap = dangerous

Cerberus

Such a fuss.

@Mitch Mm or just very far away.

Mitch

21:01

@Cerberus If they have training and the right equipment it's fine

Cerberus

What's right?

Mitch

@Cerberus Springing equipment? Like a trampoline harness maybe?

Izana wistaria

@Cerberus Ah okay, thank you

Cerberus

How dashing you must look.

Mitch

I think in Zurich even the worst neighborhoods are extremely expensive

Izana wistaria

21:03

I thought it meant before it became dead again or inactive.

Mitch

Speaking of which, I think the whole idea of zombies is stupid

Why don't they just eat each other's brains?

Also, all those sores will surely get infected badly and they should die off pretty quickly from sepsis

or gangrene

Cerberus

@Mitch Possibly.

Izana wistaria

@Mitch They are rotting and they need fresh meat that's why.

Cerberus

@Izanawistaria Maybe it was a typo and the author intended deserted.

But we have zero context.

Mitch

If they are rotting, that's hardly a viable organism. It's just plain science

Izana wistaria

21:06

@Cerberus Hmm I don't know. Yeah, could be.

Mitch

I mean vampires are believable in the sense that they are obviously a metaphor.

But zombies are just a childish fear response

Cerberus

It's such a tragedy, how many games present zombies.

So stupid and boring.

Mitch

Exactly.

Izana wistaria

@Cerberus Yeah. But thanks nonetheless man.

Cerberus

Maybe they appeal to the superstitious.

Mitch

21:07

It's basically that Black Mirror episode but a thousand times

Cerberus

I also dislike all the orcs and elves, except in the original Tolkien.

Izana wistaria

My favorite zombie movie is Resident Evil

Mitch

@Cerberus superstitious = stupiduneducated

Cerberus

Heh.

I like mutated insects a lot better already, among common lusory clichés.

Mitch

@Cerberus the movies are, and I realize this is probably more incriminating than any of my spirituality is horseshit, Jesus Christ and Buddha are just life sized leprechauns, but ... where were we, I lost my train of thought...

oh yeah, the Tolkien movies are on the same cinemati quality as....

MetaEd

21:09

@Mitch Follow the whistle.

Mitch

the Transformers

Cerberus

@Mitch How anacoluthous of you.

Mitch

Hah. There suck it, all you Frodo lovers.

Cerberus

@Mitch I don't know that.

But I actually didn't hate the films.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm not even going to mention that

Cerberus

21:10

Except that the superficial nature of cinema takes away some of the fun present in books.

Especially that seducing historians.

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm not totally convinced that words are inherently bettern visuals/spoken

Færd

@Mitch Think deep in the back-alleys of the older boroughs.

Sarcheshme, maybe?

Mitch

but maybe because of the length of written works, that length transfers more.

Cerberus

@Mitch I'm not sure I understand.

Izana wistaria

@Mitch Americans mention leprechauns a lot? What's wrong with them?

Mitch

21:12

@Færd I hope that's north Teheran

Izana wistaria

Can't they mention some other being?

Mitch

If ever this idiotic Iran deal gets fixed, that'll be where the first starbucks shows up

Cerberus

@Mitch Of course there normally is a lot more information in a boom compared to a film.

Færd

@Mitch It is!

Izana wistaria

@MetaEd What does that mean? Where is this whistle?

Mitch

21:14

@Cerberus you said cinema is superficial. I have my doubts. (a lot of cinema is superficial, and it is much more expensive to create, so there's that)

Færd

@Cerberus Not only does it not feature English subtitles or translated vresions or snippets on YT, the website also blocks IPs from outside Holland to watch the show.

Mitch

All that said, books are becoming harder to read.

Because the Internet

Færd

But I found the part I mentioned: it's the third episode of the first season. Watch from 32:00 onward for a couple minutes.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Do they? I've never heard any other American mention them. at least none I'm conscious of.

Cerberus

@Mitch It's generally more superficial, because it cannot convey as much information as a good book can, and what information it presents is presented much slower, because reading is faster.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't have some other qualities.

Izana wistaria

21:15

@Mitch In movies they do. A lot.

In real life too. A lot.

Cerberus

And it doesn't always have to be superficial per se; but, compared to the book it's based on, a film is generally a lot more superficial.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Really?

Cerberus

Even so, I enjoyed the LotR films well enough.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Really?

Izana wistaria

@Mitch Yee

Færd

21:16

@Mitch Ew. It's Tehran, not Teheran.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Go on...

Izana wistaria

@Mitch Yee

Cerberus

@Færd Ugh, yes, so annoying. But your VPN got through?

Izana wistaria

@Mitch goes on. What do you want to hear?

Mitch

@Færd There are two varieties of spelling it in English

Cerberus

21:17

@Færd It is Teheran in Dutch!

Færd

@Cerberus It did!

Cerberus

Just as it is Londen and Parijs.

Færd

Could care less.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Support your claim. What movies?

Cerberus

We're barbarians like that.

Færd

21:18

But OK. I guess.

Mitch

@Færd Keep going.

because haha if you coulld care less, i want to see how much less you can go. haha

haha haha

pedant laughter

Færd

That's the funny thing about I could care less.

I wasn't serious in saying it.

Does it distract people when you say the opposite of what you mean here?

Izana wistaria

@Mitch I'm sorry, I didn't know I was in the court of law. "Claim"? Anyway, for starters we have:

> "Bewitched" - The Leprechaun (1966)
"Leprechaun" series of slasher movies.
"Twilight Zone" - The Leprechaun Artist (1986)

Leprechaun, Leprechaun, Leprechaun.

Cerberus

@Mitch The most beautiful cackle in all the world.

@Færd It does me!

Izana wistaria

And in the sitcom Friends people are always talking about Leprechaun

And in that movie I watched

And in that series I watched

And that film, what's its name?

And that... everything American has Leprechaun in it man.

ends rant

Mitch

21:21

@Færd No.

I mean yes

Wait...

Izana wistaria

@Mitch How do pedants laugh?

Mitch

@Izanawistaria OK, then how about faeries?

@Izanawistaria Really? In what context?

Izana wistaria

@Mitch They rarely talk about them. Faeries are nicer though, and good looking most of the time. Like eye candies.

Mitch

@Izanawistaria Oh right...Leprechaun

@Izanawistaria Doesn't that make it hard to see?

probably'll get an infection

like from a zombie

Hmm..maybe all this leprechaun stuff by americans is a good thing.

Izana wistaria

I mean a good looking female with wings who visits homes? What else do you need? Faeries are awesome, unless they are ugly. There are ugly faeries too I hear, like green faeries, yuck.

Mitch

21:24

Because leprechauns are idiotic

Cerberus

@Færd The scene with the sonnet was nice.

Mitch

There's The Faerie Queen,

Cerberus

Is merci a common expression?

Mitch

The Faerie Bible

Izana wistaria

@Mitch Why? I thought we were supposed to bad mouth America. Remember our previous discussion here about... 'America sucks'?

Mitch

21:27

Grimms Faerie tales (arguably there are more frogs in there than faeries but a frog is just as good)

@Izanawistaria Am I not being consistent? Leprechauns suck, Americans believe in Leprechauns, there for Americ sucks.

Pretty obvious

Færd

@Cerberus I hope it was translated well enough.

It's nicer if you have a life-long connection with it.

Izana wistaria

@Mitch Now we are talking.

Færd

@Cerberus I don't say it, but it's very common.

Cerberus

@Færd It seemed nice, but of course it's a different experience even if the translation is good.

@Færd Why not?

Færd

@Cerberus I don't know. It's not deliberate.

Cerberus

21:30

OK.

How is Thomas's Persian?

Does he have a thick accent?

Færd

I, like, would never say merci.

@Cerberus Pretty awful for someone who lived with an Iranian woman for so long.

Izana wistaria

@Educ What do you need help with?

Cerberus

Haha.

Færd

The accent is not the worst part.

Cerberus

Some people are just super bad at accents.

Oh?

Færd

21:32

Yeah. His grammar and vocab is messed up.

Cerberus

That's stupid.

He's lived there for so long.

Izana wistaria

@Educ "Please find attached, attestation of employment "

Færd

But maybe I'm being too harsh. He's very well understandable.

Cerberus

And he says in that video that he doesn't read Persian, which I found strange.

Færd

Yeap.

Cerberus

21:33

How can that be possible?

Surely you can't really function, being unable to read?

Færd

But those poems (not sonnets, exactly) are usually written in cursive.

Cerberus

Or perhaps he meant he couldn't read old/literary Person well enough, or something.

Right.

Færd

@Cerberus That too.

Cerberus

Still, it seemed a strange thing to say.

Færd

It wouldn't have been too hard to iron his Farsi in such a long period.

Cerberus

21:36

I have a Brazilian friend who's lived here for ten years, and his Dutch is still pretty bad.

Færd

It reflects your mentality about the language.

Cerberus

But he's single, and Dutchmen will always speak English to foreigners, so it was harder for him to learn than it must have been for Thomas.

Færd

Does it only have functional value to you?

Or something deeper.

Cerberus

What does? Language? Of course it's not only functional.

Although function should be reason enough to learn the language of place you live in.

Færd

I'm talking about the mentality of your friend or Thomas or whoever.

I should also point out that all those Iranians where uber-delighted at his talking Farsi, as funny as it was.

Cerberus

21:39

I think it's harder for foreigners here, because everyone will speak English to you.

But he's probably also been somewhat lazy.

Færd

Someone with an equivalent level of English could face growls in some English spheres.

Cerberus

He's trying to improve his Dutch, though. He wants to speak Dutch with me, and he has done some more courses.

@Færd Oh, really? How so?

Færd

Good luck to him.

@Cerberus We don't get too many foreigners trying to learn Farsi.

Cerberus

But I prefer to speak English, but it feels more aequal.

Færd

So people get excited when someone tries.

Cerberus

21:40

@Færd Ah, OK.

He does look foreign.

Færd

European-looking foreigners, in particular.

It's sad, but those get more respect than others.

Cerberus

How about East-Asian ones?

Færd

So-so, in comparison.

Cerberus

OK.

Don't you dislike speaking Persian with someone who doesn't speak it well?

Færd

Not for a few minutes.

Or longer, if I see perceptible improvement.

Cerberus

21:45

But when you're having drinks with a friend.

Educ

Please Could you rewording what I'm saying before in formal English

@Izanawistaria Thank you for your replay, this sentence I already sent it to him now I need to replay him

Færd

@Cerberus Lack of language lucidity could be a great hindrance there.

Sometimes I talk with people because I enjoy their voice, the vibration of their chords, the bouncing of their larynx.

Educ

@Færd really It's clear I mean Is it in formal English

Færd

Then I could ignore what they say, or any imperfections thereof.

Educ

(
that I am in teacher training so I have to go to the center from 6 a.m to arrive there at 8 a.m and finished my study there at 6. p.m to get to my home at 8. p.m
so I don't have time
and that from monday to satureday
@Cerberus I would like to write relay to him why i didn't send him attestation on time
by state what I said above
in formal English
Could you please Help me )

Cerberus

21:49

@Færd Yes, and also the feeling that you're not a friend but a teacher with his pupil.

Færd

Oh that they just want to exploit you? That could get annoying for sure.

Cerberus

@Educ You should probably send him a message in your best English.

Mitch

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. @MetaEd said something.

Are you guys talking about Thomas Pynchon?

Cerberus

Who?

Mitch

For the record, in case the authorities check up on us, I don't think Starbucks is that great.

Færd

21:53

@Educ If you always rely on others to write up your emails and/or extensively correct your pieces, you won't improve as much as you would if you took more responsibility yourself.

Mitch

It's not terrible, but just not that great

Færd

More specific questions are welcome, of course.

Be braver with your use of English.

Mitch

@Cerberus Thomas. Thomas Pynchon, the last great American author that I've never read.

Yes that was intentionally ambiguous

Færd

@Educ Have you checked Grammarly?

@Mitch I don't even know what that is.

A film, presumably?

Mitch

@Færd Be brave in general. Make mistakes. Blame others

Færd

21:56

Totally.

Educ

@Færd Is it website ? by writing and others checking my writing that would improve my skills because I learn from my mistake

Mitch

He who denied it supplied it

Færd

@Educ Well, that's the misperception.

You won't learn much by being corrected on all the mistakes you make all the time.

(Unless you make sufficiently few mistakes, maybe)

Educ

How can I know that I'm on the right track If there is no one correct my mistake and guide me Tell me please How ??

Mitch

That's a classic fart joke

In case you all weren't aware

Educ

21:59

@Færd I didn't say all the time just from time to time I ask help here

Færd

@Mitch What was the context? I didn't smell anythin!

@Educ No problem with that at all.

But the kind of questions you ask are the ones that are unlikely to get full answers here all every time.

Educ

Believe me I ask help here when I tired all my attempts to write in good English

@Færd I see but there is no harm to shoot my question here

Færd

For example, you want others to (re)write a whole email for you.

No harm in asking, but ...

Educ

@Færd Nope I wont just to correct what I wrote above

as prove to send it to him

Færd

I'm talking in general.

Educ

22:02

But it's okay I 'll send it as it is :)

Mitch

So you must not have farted

Færd

Anyways. I should leave now.

Mitch

@Færd oh good because he who smelt it dealt it

He who leaves...

Must have done something to want to leave.

I don't have a rhyming thing to say that you just farted

Færd

@Mitch They also say you are insensible to your own fart.

I leave it to you to investigate further.

Izana wistaria

@Educ A few years ago, my English was exactly like yours. You know what changed? I did. I read the hell out of everything and anything, read grammar books (small ones) and talked to native speakers of English in other places.

It is time to change your habits mate. You can ask questions but if you try to improve things yourself, you will be writing better than me in years

Just saying in good faith

For your benefit.

Feel free to ask though

Hmm did I write "mate" above? I dislike that word

@Educ What have you written? Paste it here, I might be able to proofread

Educ

22:07

@Izanawistaria Thank you again could you please proofread my precis ?

Izana wistaria

If it is not long, then yeah, I could

Unlike Cerberus, I charge one million bucks for an hour though.

Educ

It's not but I will paste here after one hours would you be free after one hour ?

Izana wistaria

I kid

@Educ I might be. I don't know

Educ

@Izanawistaria I 'll try to paste it before

Thank in advance

Izana wistaria

I'll see what I can do. I'm not a native speaker of English though, so I might make a mistake here and there myself.

Educ

22:09

I dont' have this kind of money hahaha

Izana wistaria

I was just jesting.

Cerberus

@Mitch phew

Educ

Thank you again

Cerberus

I think you would especially benefit from reading a leaner's book on English grammar.

And from always using proper punctuation and capitalisation.

And I have no books to recommend because I don't know any.

Educ

22:24

@Cerberus no problem just if you have time to correct my dilemma from time to time like @Mitch did :)

Mitch

22:47

@Cerberus Is it just me or did the Mamma Mia musical and movie framed the perfectly fine ABBA music in something a 12 year old would put together to entertain the aunts and uncles on vacation.

Cerberus

I have no knowledge of this.

Mitch

Millions are “tricked” into learning English by watching American movies with subtitles. You’re there to enjoy a movie and — whoops! — you also just learned a language. The key to Nell’s Primer is nailing “accidental learning” for math and science.

Tweeted by danielgross on June 6, 2018 at 6:17 PM

That post and thread are really about mathematics (which you know well enough). I only just saw it.

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Q: Feeling used by my Employer

What word would you use to describe an employer that asks you to do work on their personal property that is not related to your employment?

single-word-requests

Mitch

@Cerberus I'm watching the movie as we speak.

There's too much knowledge to be had of it.

Educ

@Mitch this is very interesting ! I watch all the times movies and series with English subtitle that's why I can understand and speak English and my aim to learn it very well to continues my Phd in mathematics and teach in middle East or any other country math in English

I have to create twitter account to follow him

Educ

23:57

Hhere is the text that I would like to write a percis for it limit 30/40 words

@Izanawistaria Here is my attempt:

American education defined a new definition for homemaking which is the production but overproductions was becoming problem therefore the ideal American homemaker was looked as consumer and Subsequent reforms have made these notions seem quite out-of-date.

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