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19:00
@KitFox in relative terms, you probably are.
@WillHunting loose [sic!]
The river is infinitely long.
or wide.
and it's a stream.
@RegDwightѬſ道 And sausages is almost an anagram of usages.
@KitFox and sausages are huge. QED.
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@RegDwightѬſ道 My sausage is rather small.
19:01
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Dim coar As New MemoryStream()
@WillHunting you shouldn't have been nibbling on it that much.
@WillHunting That's not surprising, statistically speaking.
yesterday, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@WillHunting just when I think you can't possibly make me roll my eyes harder at you, you go and say something like that.
@KitFox raft.Remove(chicken);
See! Devil talk!
19:02
My eyes are rolling so hard right now
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But size does not matter; only performance does.
> But size does not matter; only performance [sic!] does.
@JSBᾶngs raft.Add(Dim person As New Fantasy = "Hugh Jackman")
@KitFox hi, yo, Jackman on a raft
19:03
@MrShinyandNew what a terrible sight on a Monday morning
How big is the raft?
@JSBᾶngs Hahaha
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 26 minutes 34 seconds.
@KitFox call("Perry Cox");
Hmm. considers
@KitFox really?
If I had another man on the raft, they could certainly parry cox.
19:05
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 29 minutes 40 seconds.
@JSBᾶngs Sure, why not? He's got a pleasant face.
He's blond, so not really my type.
But I wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers.
@KitFox yeah, he's really not my type
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I like blondes.
> I like [sic] blondes.
@JSBᾶngs What's your type?
19:08
This one?
Hugh Jackman?
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Now I am still trying to figure out what all the [sic]'s mean!
@WillHunting psst It's a joke.
Mar 11 '11 at 23:50, by RegDwight
Thank God for John C. McGinley.
19:08
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah.
@WillHunting Mission accomplished!
May 11 '11 at 13:35, by Kosmonaut
I recommend just throwing [sic] in randomly when quoting one's enemies. Nobody will want to admit they don't know why it is there, and the damage is done.
Well, that's the one I was thinking of.
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@KitFox Which I don't get.
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@RegDwightѬſ道 HB!
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@RegDwightѬſ道 See, I am different. I admit I don't know.
19:10
@WillHunting you didn't admit after the first time. Or the second.
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Well, I was still trying to figure it out...
Precisely.
I think we have just bored everyone to death.
Apologies, everyone.
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Nice save.
@RegDwightѬſ道 too late, we're dead. dies
Last man shining.
19:12
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 35 minutes 56 seconds.
@KitFox hard to say. not blonds with squirrely faces, that's for sure
chicken eats Mr. Shiny's body
Anybody want to help sponsor a friend of mine who is doing a bike trek to raise money for the American Lung Association?
@KitFox gah, no. those people with lung cancer deserve to die.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 you know what's fun? I still haven't managed to fire up that site, but I swear I've been listening to that song for the last twenty minutes in my head.
19:13
@JSBᾶngs Well, when you describe him that way, I probably would kick him out of bed for eating crackers.
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Hello @kiam!
@RegDwightѬſ道 heheh I'm listening to it in my head too. but it got put there by the headphones.
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 37 minutes 13 seconds.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 OMG the technology is evolving right before my very eyes!
Uh? Who pinged me? I was following a chat cast.
19:17
Right. I am following that one as well.
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Are there any cookies?
Which was one of the reasons why I didn't fire up the raft.
@RegDwight Are you on the backstage?
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No cookies no cast.
@kiamlaluno I am indeed the last person in the gravatar list.
Out of 32.
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19:19
@RegDwightѬſ道 That is 2 to the power of 5. Fascinating!
It's also seven more than 5 to the power of 2!
And it's 23 backwards.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Does that mean you are talking less than I do? That is amazing. ;)
23 is a 1998 German drama thriller film about a young hacker Karl Koch, who died on 23 May 1989, a presumed suicide. It was directed by Hans-Christian Schmid, who also participated in screenwriting. The title derives from the protagonist's obsession with the number 23, a phenomenon often described as apophenia. Although the film was well received by critics and audiences, its accuracy has been vocally disputed by some witnesses to the real-life events on which it was based. Schmid subsequently co-authored a book that tells the story of the making of 23 and also details the differences bet...
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@RegDwightѬſ道 I still wonder why watch ads and T-shirts use 23 so often.
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It is also my favourite number.
19:21
That explains it all.
You are one of them.
Hey everybody, Will is one of them!
that's a bad favorite number. the good favorite numbers are primes.
Wow it's taking people quite some time to bite.
user19161
Wait, isn't 23 prime?
Ah!
I knew Will wouldn't disappoint.
user19161
Am I being trolled again?
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 45 minutes 26 seconds.
"Again" would imply that at some point in time there was a pause.
user19161
There is no way to tell what is a joke and what is not in this room.
Well, for starters, @Cerberus is a joke.
user19161
So it is not that I am easily trolled, but that I do not jump to hasty conclusions. QED.
19:25
You keep using that word. I'm not sure it means what you think it means.
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@RegDwightѬſ道 This is by Mr S.
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It might even be the exact words.
@WillHunting No, as clearly indicated by the name "RegDwight" in front of it.
@WillHunting Try again.
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@KitFox OMG!
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19:27
This room is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah. Where did they get a video of me that fast?
@RegDwightѬſ道 I took it last night while you were sleeping.
Clearly I'm not sleeping in the video.
Your house of lies is crumbling. Crumbling!!!
You were sleepwalking.
I am watching you; be careful.
19:28
Somnambulating.
Did you call the somnambulance?
I called some ambulance.
I wonder how @Vitaly is doing.
@WillHunting first, assume that everything is a joke. only once you've determined that an utterance cannot possibly be funny should you entertain the notion that it's serious.
I am quite worried as well.
I wouldn't want to so much as get a cold in Russia.
Well, he'll be OK if he can get some muscle relaxants. You can get ibuprofen over the counter there, right?
19:30
The health system in the SU was amazing when I was a kid. But these days I don't even know where to turn or what to do.
what happened to Vit?
He hurt his back.
I have that insurance card my grandma got me in my absence, but that's about it.
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@JSBᾶngs tripped in the dark
how serious?
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19:31
Sounds rather bad.
6 hours ago, by Vitaly
@Cerberus I dunno, I have the picture projected onto the ceiling and my fingers remember where the keys are on the keyboard.
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@JSBᾶngs Well, this statement itself could be a joke too.
@WillHunting OH NOES CRETAN PARADOX
@JSBᾶngs killit killit killit!
Now, now. Don't go calling people cretans.
It's a family friendly room./
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19:33
looks up cretan
Feb 1 at 21:56, by Cerberus
Hey, has anyone ever noticed how alike Java and Crete are?
@WillHunting check "cretin"
user19161
Wow there are even cretan beaches and cretan holidays!
Only cretans use Java.
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 56 minutes 42 seconds.
19:35
Oh! It has stopped in my head!
I guess I'll have to go visit the site after all.
@Will (this is not a joke). i really appreciate having you in this room. we need at least one good-natured naif to sweeten this brew of cynical assholes.
Who are you calling cynical?
:P
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 1 hour 56 seconds.
Speaking of cynical, I am off to have the first half of dental work done.
So I shall have to hop off the raft.
19:37
^ Cynic.
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@KitFox Good luck. Don't forget the anaesthesia!
Anaesthesia is for pussies.
I embrace my life.
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@KitFox Foxes and cats are similar.
> You have been on a raft with a chicken for 1 hour 1 minute 43 seconds.
19:40
@KitFox so... it should be right up your alley, then
If you cushion the pain of everything, then you narrow the spectrum of what you consider endurable.
@KitFox so i'll take it you had an unmedicated childbirth?
And your highs are less high if your lows are not low.
@JSBᾶngs Yes, but it wasn't painful.
Neither one, although the second was harder than the first.
Although faster.
Anyway, I'm off. Later, peoples!
19:46
Do you know him?
you know what's better than a chicken on a raft? Arvo Pärt
Oh! They are very similar.
headdesk
Why do you have written headdesk in italic style?
@Carlo_R it's meant to suggest the action of me hitting my head against the desk
19:59
Prefers the third person style.
No, you do not do it.
I know that the person is the actor of famous television series: see here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_(TV_series)
Always in this site the ")" has lost
@kiamlaluno No, I prefer the second --> YOU
Looks around for a big paddle.
Now I cannot do it. I have to sleep. Here (Italy) is night. Goodbye. You are the best!
That explains why I don't see the sun.
Look at the moon and you will see the sun!
20:11
@Carlo_R Haha! Did you translate my username? :)
Look at the moon. Right?
@Carlo_R Nope; it's quando la luna.
isn't it call the moon ?
when the moon?
that makes less sense than any of them
Oh, I see that you know Italian language (quando la luna)
you know one romance language, you know them all
20:14
@Carlo_R I speak it since I started to speak, together Lombard.
@JSBᾶngs When the moon meets the sun: kiam la luno renkontas la sunon.
You are like me. Congratulations!
That is what I use as signature on drupal.org.
this reminds me of how much i hate esperanto. (no offense.)
@Carlo_R I speak Eastern Lombard, if that makes any difference. :)
I do not know EL, but if you want, we would speak barese
20:18
@Carlo_R That is a little harder for me, but I can accommodate with Calabrian.
@JSBᾶngs I started to study it because I thought it would help me with English.
and how did that work out?
I cannot actually speak much Esperanto.
Maybe the English language is better then the Calabrian
4 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
I do wonder, has anyone asked "Which language is the best?" over on Linguini.SE yet?
Perhaps Carlo should do it.
Mmm! Linguini with pesto!
20:20
@Carlo_R watch your thans.
"Spaghetti alla carbonara"
@JSBᾶngs I must say the idea was good. Knowing a third language helps. Well, actually I know a third language, but that is not related to English. There are many Esperanto words that are taken from English.
I like how to compose words in Esperanto.
The funnier is how to translate hospital.
It is "the place for people who is not sane."
Malsanulejo.
Malsanulejo estas kuraca institucio destinita al kuracado de homoj. Malsanulejo estas parto de san-sistemo. Ekzistas kaj publikaj (ŝtataj), kaj privataj kaj duon-privataj malsanulejoj. La plej kutima tipo de malsanulejo estas ĝenerala malsanulejo, kie oni traktas plej diversajn malsanojn kaj vundojn. Tre grandaj malsanulejoj estas nomataj medicinaj centroj kaj iĝis la preferata vojo de disvolviĝo de sanprotektado en multaj landoj. Ekzistas ankaŭ specialaj malsanulejoj, kiuj, ekzemple, traktas nur malsanojn de infanoj aŭ nur vundojn. En Usono plejparto de malsanulejoj estas fakte komerc...
@RegDwightѬſ道 For now, I have put my "About me" on EL&U. Next we will see.
I hate dentists.
@RegDwight: Do you know my profile?
20:28
Not personally, no.
You should post that question on Jewish Life and Learning.
@RegDwightѬſ道 See here english.stackexchange.com/users/19148/carlo-r . After do we speak on linguine
I would be worried if a moderator knows my own profile. ;)
That means I am worried already.
@Carlo_R sorry, I don't speak Greece.
@RegDwight HaHa! :) Now I must go! Bye
Now that was easy.
20:31
He speaks hieroglyphs.
I am being inundated with country music videos.
@RegDwightѬſ道 To make him run?
@KitFox nice litotes!
Is it?
Listens "Devil went down to Georgia."
20:33
@KitFox the video i posted was not country music
@KitFox in- un- dated.
The remote is right there, but the receptionist just started singing along.
So that would probably not go over well.
I didn't see your video, sorry.
I'm on mobile.
@KitFox ah, well, that's your problem
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Q: Word for including a fact into something that you do?

Em1I'm looking for a verb in the following context which expresses that you take notice of something and include that into the result of your action. Scenario: You create a test for a software and you detect a behavior which is in some way unusual. You find out what the reason for this behavior ...

Even after a clarifying edit by the OP. the answers range from "incorporate" to "revise" to "neglect".
bad question, but i hesitate to call it off-topic
20:37
I'm not sure how this is salvageable, or whether we should just start from scratch.
Does it fit the SWR criteria?
I'm not arguing it's OT or not a valid SWR.
I am arguing that it's confusing and thus a NARQ.
Though earlier today we kind of figured out what he means, and his edit suggests that we were right.
9 hours ago, by David Wallace
It happens all the time. A tester runs a piece of software and it does something he/she didn't expect. He/she can't be arsed finding out whether the unexpected behaviour was actually intended; so instead, he/she just assumes it WAS intended, and writes tests to ensure that it happens. Kind of dumb, but this is something software testers do.
20 hours ago, by David Wallace
But the mood I'm in, I don't think I could write a good answer without calling the OP bad things; so it's probably best if I don't bother.
If you read on from there, you'll see that the thing I found most confusing, and still do, is that the "negative opinion" bit is somehow to be incorporated into the verb. Which makes no sense to me.
> I ??? this (imho incorrect) behavior in my test.
The verb doesn't really matter. You can use anything at all at zombo.com. And the bit about "imho incorrect" is best expressed by, well, "imho incorrect".
Or an adverb. "I grudgingly included the behaviour" or whatever.
To me, all the full question doesn't have any meaning.
We should underline English thrice in the site title, and add a note: English is not Japanese.
@DavidWallace this is actually reasonable tester behavior much of the time. (i am a software tester.) most products/components are underspecified and include behaviors whose correctness cannot be determined; but of course once a behavior exists somebody out there is going to start depending on it. this is especially the case with API testing. so you'de be prepared to not only verify all of the intended behaviors, but also the unintended-but-included behaviors that shipped with your V1.
I only know about Drupal tests. :)
But if I recall, Drupal tests an error is returned in specific cases.
21:13
@RegDwight Hey, I am facing a dilemma. The pain seems to have disappeared but I am still getting irregular muscle cramps in my leg and derrière out of nowhere. I am 100% sure it was nerve pain. Should I still bother going to the clinic (and you kind of know how those work in Russia)?
Hi.
@Vitaly What is the disadvantage of going to the clinic?
Lo.
And have you any idea of the chance that treatment could prevent long-term problems?
@Cerberus The disadvantage is wasted time because I have no idea how to convince those doctors that it should be looked into.
Okay.
So you mean you are sure that the cramps are caused by nerve pain?
They can't be compensation pain?
21:20
@Cerberus No. I mean I am getting them out of nowhere, for no apparent reason. The nerve pain was the pain I was talking about yesterday (for me) morning. Well, the most likely reason would be some sort of damage to some nerve, but would that be enough for a Russian doctor to look into that?
As you suggested, I don't know Russian doctors.
You could do a bit more research so that you can give them a detail that will convince them?
I suspect I would have to make them do that research too.
Most doctors wait for trigger words that they are taught are worrisome.
If you know how to trigger them, they will take you seriously.
Hmm.
If you come with "back pain", they don't have a concrete, specific symptom that they know is important.
Because about half the people who see a doctor have psycho-somatic problems with vague symptoms that can't really be helped. Of course I know that you are not such a person, but they don't.
Then again, Russian doctors may be different in some ways.
In any case, I'm glad the pain decreased.
21:27
I am curious, why are there people who capitalize answers, and questions, such as in "I vote Answers, and I vote Questions"?
My stereotype of Russian doctors is that of a lone woman in her mid-50s who takes her life problems out onto her patients and prescribes metamizole to everyone and his uncle.
@Cerberus Thanks.
@kiamlaluno Because they mean formal Answers through this site's format, not just any answer. That can be a legitimate reason to capitalize, to distinguish the two.
@Vitaly Haha, that sounds...sad. When was the last time you saw a doctor?
@Cerberus Long enough ago, that much is true. I don't tend to have a lot of health problems.
I keep overhearing stories about them though. :P
Heh.
@Cerberus Yes, but an Answer is still an answer. :)
21:31
@kiamlaluno Yup. So it wouldn't be wrong to not capitalize.
@Cerberus Is that a habit somebody could have taken from outside Stack Exchange?
@Cerberus And I almost had my stereotype crushed when the ambulance arrived because one of the paramedics (that's what an ambulance worker is called, right?) turned out to be a woman in her mid-30s who chatted with her female peer on the mobile like there was no tomorrow. I had to listen to their meaningless blabbering for at least 6 minutes.
I am really not the best advisor on this.
2 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
The health system in the SU was amazing when I was a kid. But these days I don't even know where to turn or what to do.
2 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
I have that insurance card my grandma got me in my absence, but that's about it.
@RegDwightѬſ道 … Yeah, and I don't know either.
@Vitaly Wow, paramedics talking on the phone while they were supposed to help you? Not sure whether a younger women is an improvement there.
@Vitaly Did you fall in a way where your back was bent laterally in a painful way?
Or did you land on something hard?
21:37
@Cerberus I really can't remember. It's happened too fast and in the dark.
One thing I am sure of is that I haven't hit that particular place directly. (So no bruises or whatever.)
@Vitaly Ah OK.
Sciatica (; sciatic neuritis) is a set of symptoms including pain that may be caused by general compression or irritation of one of five spinal nerve roots that give rise to each sciatic nerve, or by compression or irritation of the left or right or both sciatic nerves. The pain is felt in the lower back, buttock, or various parts of the leg and foot. In addition to pain, which is sometimes severe, there may be numbness, muscular weakness, pins and needles or tingling and difficulty in moving or controlling the leg. Typically, the symptoms are only felt on one side of the body. Pain can ...
@Cerberus “Oh Masha you know Tasha told Klava that Pasha is going out with Dasha blah blah blah”
@Vitaly Jesus. That is very bad etiquette if nothing else.
> Sciatica is diagnosed by physical examination, neurological testing and patient history. Generally if a patient reports the typical radiating pain in one leg as well as one or more neurological indications of nerve root tension or neurological deficit, sciatica can be diagnosed.[5]

**The most applied diagnostic test** is the straight leg rising test, or Lasègue's sign, which is considered positive if pain in the sciatic nerve is reproduced with between 30 and 70 degrees passive flexion of the straight leg.[6]
21:41
No Russian Wiki article? Classic.
So if this is what you have, it seems waiting it out is the usual advice.
@Vitaly Hmm odd.
I think this is the same thingie.
Oh, radiculitis? Weird, I've always thought that this is what the elderly had.
No idea.
The English Wiki article on radiculitis is not as thorough as the one on sciatica...
It says sciatica is a type of radoculitis.
Look, I am no doctor. But your cramps and the fact that they can be caused by a hernia led me to sciatica.
It's amazing how even a Wikipedia article in English is talking about stuff like MR neurography and most Russian Google Search results for радикулит or ишиас are talking about folk “medicine” — even Chinese and Tibetan folk “medicine”, not to mention all that heritage of the USSR's elderly and their all-around drinka-pinta-milka-day-keep-your-back-from-cold-away.
21:57
Hah, weird.
It could be that Google is better at filtering out the real medical results to come out on top in English.
22:19
> You should see your GP as soon as possible if, as well as back pain, you have:

- a fever (high temperature)
- redness or swelling on your back
- pain down your legs and below your knees
- numbness or weakness in one or both legs or around your buttocks
- loss of bladder or bowel control (incontinence)
- constant pain, particularly at night
- pain that is getting much worse and is spreading up your spine

These symptoms are known as red flags. It's important to seek medical help for these symptoms to ensure you don't have a more serious, underlying cause for your back pain.
Yeah, well, thanks, I decided to give it a try. I have temporarily suspended my work anyway, so I am not losing anything other than time, the utility of which is less than the utility of consulting a doctor even if she's Russian.
Good idea.
I think the cramps in leg and buttocks after a fall should be a red flag.
Hi there, folks.
Hi.
22:24
Hi.
So I would expect the doctor to take it seriously and do some tests, if only having you bend legs and back and such.
Hey, at least you won't curse yourself later, thinking "why didn't I go when I had the chance, and it was free anyway?".
Heh.
How go things in Europe?
In the west, good; in the east, possible hernia-like thing.
But the pain grew less severe, so there is some improvement.
@Cerberus Do you still have snow there?
22:29
@Vitaly Nah, we only had snow for a few weeks in January or so. You?
@Cerberus Hernia?
@Cerberus The snow isn't fully gone yet. There are patches of naked earth but that's about it. And we had a minor snowfall a few days ago.
I have never heard of Eastern European hernias.
@Mahnax Damage to spine. I don't know the medical details.
@Vitaly Hmm so it could be slippery?
Then call a taxi.
@Cerberus Eh, it doesn't have to involve the spine.
That's probably a herniated disc you're thinking of.
22:31
@Cerberus Oh, no, the asphalt is dry this time of the year.
The weather people here suspect we will get around 25cm of snow tonight.
Last winter we had lots of snow that wouldn't melt. I remember how awful it was to walk anywhere when I had a frozen shoulder: the balancing required on the icy snow hurt a great deal.
@Mahnax Oh, I don't know: we use it here to refer to the spine by default.
@Vitaly Oh, good.
@Cerberus Hm, interesting.
@Mahnax Snow? 25cm? Outrageous.
@Cerberus We use грыжа (which is the literal equivalent of hernia in Russian) to refer to umbilical hernia by default.
22:33
It has been over 10 °C here since mid February or so.
@Cerberus Well, that was the warning yesterday.
I just checked the website and it's down to 15cm, but apparently 60km/h winds may be a factor.
@Vitaly Umbilical hernia? I didn't know that existed.
Een navelbreuk of hernia umbilicalis is een uitstulping van het buikvlies door een zwakke plek of opening in de buikwand. Deze uitstulping bevindt zich in de navel. Klachten van een navelbreuk worden veelal aangegeven als enig ongemak, een zeurend of branderig gevoel en/of pijn in dat gebied. Een breuk verdwijnt nooit vanzelf en kan de neiging hebben groter te worden. Dat kan dan meer klachten gaan geven. Een enkele keer kan het voorkomen dat een breuk bekneld raakt. Dat gaat gepaard met veel pijn. Een spoedoperatie is dan nodig. Een breuk van de buikwand bestaat altijd uit drie elemen...
@Mahnax Wow, better stay inside...
@Vitaly Hmm I see.
@#Cerb
@Cerberus Yep.
I think that's how I'll ping people now.
22:35
What is that?
What?
@#?
Yes?
Uhh, it's an 'at' symbol and then a pound sign…?
But what is the pound sign for?
@Cerberus I wanted to know if I could ping through it.
I can.
Did you get pinged properly?
22:37
@#Reg Def war.
Ah.
Yes.
Good, good.
23:20
@Cerb zit, cit, цит, cognate with guitar
@Vitaly Citer?
@Cerberus Ding.
Yay!
I wouldn't know the z spelling.
Zither.
I didn't know citer and guitar were related, but it makes sense.
Ah.
I thought it was Greek.
Oh, yes, it is Greek.
Kithara.
23:23
Well, there's also the cittern. And the cithara, of course.
And the gittern.
So the k turned into c in Latin; then z in German, from which English borrowed it.
Right.
And the citole!
Who?
Citole, also spelled Sytole, Cytiole, Gytolle, etc. (probably a French diminutive form of cithara, and not from Latin cista, a box), an archaic musical instrument of which the exact form is uncertain. It is generally shown as a four-string instrument, with a body generally referred to as "holly-leaf" shaped. The citole is frequently mentioned by poets of the 13th to the 15th centuries, and is found in Wycliffe's Bible (1360) in 2 Samuel vi. 5: "Harpis and sitols and tympane". The Authorized Version has psaltiries, and the Vulgate lyrae. It has been supposed to be another name for the psalt...
Okay, how many English derivatives of kithara are there?
Looks cool.
It appears Spanish guitar comes from Arab qitar, which comes from Freek kithara.
In Dutch, we have gitaar ( = guitar).
So it reached various languages via various routes; sometimes it reached the same language several times.
23:41
Hey, @Vitaly.
Did you go to the clinic or what-have-you?
Hi, @Cerb.
Are we super good friends again?

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