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Cerberus

00:00

Who do you think? You, silly.

Gigili

See. he's insulting me again.

Sorry but I have to flag this one.

KitFox

So you miss the one you cut loose, or you are bored and lonely?

Cerberus

Never mind, then.

KitFox

And puppy, how is your personal life?

Gigili

@Cerberus No, I'm not. He showed a very disappointing reaction.

KitFox

00:03

@Gigili Ah. So he shrugged and immediately started dating other people?

Cerberus

@KitFox Good; yours?

Gigili

I miss him anyway, of course. As there's something called heart.

KitFox

@Cerberus Better. I am confident that I will be better than normal as soon as the timing works out.

@Gigili When did you dump him?

Gigili

@KitFox He shrugged, but I'm not sure about the latter. It's not that important.

Umm, last week? Or yesterday.

Cerberus

@KitFox Hmm timing, as in how? As soon as the moment is right, in a pleasant atmosphere and such?

KitFox

00:05

Sounds like a dick. Find yourself a nice bartender and you'll be right as rain in no time.

@Cerberus The kids aren't waking up a thousand times a night and we're both not sick and exhausted.

Cerberus

@KitFox Ah, yes, I see.

But they don't normally wake up a lot, do they?

KitFox

No, usually they sleep all night.

Except when Gramma is gone for six weeks. Then they conspire to make it extra hard on us.

Gigili

Oh, Cerb's mad at me.

KitFox

Stuff and nonsense. Cerb's not mad at anyone ever.

Except Vitaly.

But he doesn't know what to do with hysterical women, either.

Gigili

He doesn't know what they're after.

simchona

00:10

good evening

Gigili

Have you seen this: play.google.com/store?hl=en&tab=w8

Evening.

simchona

@KitFox I found a permanent doggy

user19161

1

Q: Using "and" to combine two sentences

I would like to combine these two sentences. Have significant experience of managing office and warehouse. Have experience of managing people at office and warehouse. Can I use and to do that? Significant experience of managing office and warehouse, and managing people in them.

simchona

Well, hopefully permanent.

KitFox

@simchona Good for you.

user19161

00:11

Any reason why my answer is downvoted above?

KitFox

@simchona Congratulations.

@WillHunting Because you are a high rep user who answered a gen ref question.

So you should know better.

user19161

@KitFox Oh, I don't downvote because of that. But I think there may be another reason.

KitFox

@WillHunting Really? What?

Gigili

Because you answered a closed question?

user19161

@KitFox I don't know. I need to ask the downvoter. Confess!

Gigili

00:13

Oh, Kit said it already.

KitFox

Oh! Foodstuffs! Later!

user19161

@KitFox Enjoy!

user19161

@simchona Congrats!

user19161

@Gigili Well, the answer was given before the question was closed obviously.

user19161

@Gigili Instead of flagging why not discuss the matter?

Mahnax

00:17

Hello!

Je suis retourné.

user19161

@Mahnax Boo!

Mahnax

@WillHunting Ole!

@simchona Congratulations!

user19161

@mahnax What do you think is wrong with my answer above?

Gigili

@WillHunting It's not obvious. Needs time.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Nothing is wrong with it.

You omitted the Oxford comma.

But that's a matter of style.

+1 for you, good sir.

user19161

00:21

@Mahnax Also I may not have directly answered the question but it is not too clear in the first place.

Mahnax

@WillHunting C'est possible.

user19161

@Mahnax Also, maybe revenge downvoting.

Mahnax

@WillHunting I doubt that.

Jasper, I think you overthink downvotes.

user19161

@Mahnax Yes, but I am mostly just having a conversation with you.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Hm, what do you mean?

You are using it as a conversation piece?

user19161

00:29

@Mahnax I mean maybe you are overthinking my overthinking.

Mahnax

@WillHunting No, I'm just making an observation.

Cerberus

@Gigili Nah not at all. I was just distracted by a discussion in another room.

user19161

@Mahnax And I am just making conversation. QED!

Mahnax

@WillHunting Cogito ergo sum.

Cerberus

@simchona Oh! Is it a nice specimen?

Mahnax

00:30

@Cerberus Elle est parti.

Cerberus

Oui, je le voyais.

user19161

So I got two downvotes yesterday, bad...

Cerberus

By the way, I can't understand why people would insert personal insults in discussions. So immature.

/rant

user19161

@Cerberus Where?

KitFox

Huh?

Cerberus

00:32

@WillHunting don't worry, we all get down-votes.

@WillHunting Oh, I'd rather not say, it is nothing of consequence.

user19161

@Cerberus OK doggie!

Mahnax

@Cerberus I agree. I was once having a debate on YouTube with some guy who claimed to be US military and then he said "you're so stupid I bet you haven't finished high school".

user19161

@KitFox The food was finished quickly I presume.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Haha, and then you said, "you're right, but you no doubt got lower marks than I do"?

user19161

@Cerberus Very good! That is called feeding the troll.

Cerberus

00:35

You just don't comment on the character or skill of your interlocutor, not even indirectly. It is a major no-no.

@WillHunting Yup, that can be fun if you're in the mood!

Mahnax

@Cerberus I just stopped talking, haha.

Maybe I will respond at some point.

Cerberus

@Mahnax See, you're more mature than I am.

user19161

@Cerberus I think that word is overused.

Cerberus

Perhaps.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Haha, maybe.

user19161

00:37

"Maturity" does not mean anything to me. We all grow and change every day, from birth to death.

Mahnax

I am shaking and I don't know why.

It is very hard to type like this.

user19161

@Mahnax Maybe too much coffee or too cold.

Mahnax

@WillHunting No coffee today and I'm not cold.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Mahnax

I'm never cold.

Cerberus

00:39

Tired? Hungry?

user19161

@Mahnax Are you hungry?

Mahnax

Just ate.

Got a fantastic sleep, too.

Cerberus

Stressed out?

Mahnax

I will wait a few minutes and see if it passes.

@Cerberus No more than usual.

user19161

@Mahnax Are you excited, say about Maria?

Mahnax

00:40

@WillHunting Been thinking about her a lot, but I doubt that's it.

user19161

I will aim for 20k by this year.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Aha, so you are not retiring.

You will make it, no doubt.

user19161

@Mahnax No, and I still think about Maria from time to time.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Your Maria?

KitFox

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

user19161

00:43

@Mahnax The one who must not be named. Shh...

Mahnax

@WillHunting Oyez.

user19161

@KitFox How was the food just now? Good good?

Mahnax

@KitFox Marry the problem.

Gigili

@KitFox I found it unsolvable.

user19161

@Mahnax But I will work on my first two wishes first, of course. I still hope the first will happen this year.

Mahnax

00:46

@WillHunting Yes, I hope so too, for your sake.

Cerberus

@Mahnax How are you feeling now?

This guy now said I was talking "bullshit".

Mahnax

@Cerberus The same.

@Cerberus Where?

KitFox

@WillHunting Depends on what you consider to be good.

user19161

@KitFox I just had noodles and egg, good good!

KitFox

@Mahnax You are coming down with a virus.

Mahnax

00:47

@KitFox I disagree.

user19161

@KitFox Sounds like it. But he said he is not cold.

Mahnax

1. I never get sick, 2. I feel fine.

KitFox

@WillHunting I had steak fries and I'm eating an ice cream sandwich.

user19161

@KitFox Sounds fattening!

KitFox

@Mahnax OK. shrugs

Cerberus

00:48

@Mahnax The Cooking room. I am done with that guy.

KitFox

@WillHunting Probably.

Cerberus

Aaronut.

user19161

@Cerberus His name suggests he is a nut.

Gigili

Oh, the moderator. I dislike him.

Cerberus

If he were only cocky and wrong, fine. But insulting me personally, time and again?

Mahnax

00:49

@KitFox Haha.

Cerberus

He believes it is OK to let people die who are unable to afford health insurance in a rich country.

That's fine.

He is allowed to have an opinion like that.

But if he asks me a question, and I answer in a guarded way because I don't understand where he is going, and then he calls my answer "bullshit"....

user19161

@Cerberus You should talk with him then and thrash it all out.

Cerberus

shakes heads

Talk with him? That's what I have been doing.

user19161

@Cerberus Either you guys are on different frequencies or he lacks empathy. QED.

Gigili

Peh, everyone's joined the other room.

Mahnax

00:59

Yep!

user19161

@Gigili Which one?

Mahnax

Cooking.

Gigili

Cooking blabla

user19161

@Mahnax Let me go too.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Go for it.

simchona

01:00

@Cerberus Indeed it is.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Oh, well, he's just Aaronut. I will do my best to ignore his insults. I suppose he doesn't mean anything by them.

@simchona Yay! Now I am curious...

simchona

@Cerberus To the bat cave?

Gigili

Whoa, it's 6 in the morning. I forgot to sleep.

user19161

@Gigili Then go now.

Gigili

Are you giving me orders?

user19161

01:06

@Gigili Yes, one fries and one ice cream.

Gigili

Sorry, we're left with nothing.

user19161

Except sleep.

Mahnax

There is always sleep.

user19161

The cooking room discussion was boring.

Gigili

As hell.

user19161

01:09

@gig You still doing those translations?

Gigili

Generally or the special one I talked about?

user19161

Generally.

Gigili

Yes.

user19161

The magic camera will vanish itself when you have no more need for it.

Cerberus

@simchona Ah!

Gigili

01:11

Speaking of which, I should probably re-install it

Robusto

So are the christers gone?

Mahnax

@Robusto All but one.

user19161

@Mahnax Who are christers?

Robusto

But you could bring your friends back at any time, true?

Mahnax

@Robusto I do not call them my friends.

@WillHunting Look at the word.

user19161

01:13

@Gigili Maybe after you sleep.

Robusto

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

simchona

@Cerberus Yet you are still not in the bat cave

Robusto

Hmm ... which do I believe?

@simchona Cer is, like, the opposite of Batman.

simchona

@Robusto He's Robin?

user19161

@Robusto What does PRO stand for? Padre Robusto?

Robusto

01:15

@simchona I'm thinking more like Poison Ivy.

@WillHunting Proverbs

simchona

@Robusto Hmm.

Cerberus

@simchona Sorry, I was busy being personally insulted again. Going there now!

Robusto

@Cerberus Aww, I was just kidding. Nothing personal meant. FWIW, I think you are exactly like Batman.

Cerberus

@Robusto Huh? What? No, I meant Aaronut in the Cooking room. But don't go there, it is pretty frustrating.

Mahnax

Well, I'm out of here, for now. Bye!

Robusto

01:23

@Cerberus No fear. Not gonna go to the Cooking room anytime soon.

Gigili

Have fun @Mahnax.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Night!

@Robusto Wise.

simchona

@Cerberus Argh you left

Gigili

No, he's still here.

Night.

Mahnax

is unable to stay away

Cerberus

01:30

Haha.

Weakling!

Mahnax

You say that, but it's not true.

I'm trying to write up a conclusion for my Physics lab.

Cerberus

Heh.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Mahnax

Thank you.

Cerberus

But only this once!

Mahnax

Alright.

I was resisting the urge to sternly reprimand Aaronut.

Cerberus

01:36

Hehe.

I have tried that, but it doesn't work.

Oh, well.

Mahnax

He is unreasonable.

KitFox

Well, I am done with that.

Mahnax

I noticed.

5 hours ago, by KitFox

@Gigili Holy ouch.

I think it applies, yes?

KitFox

I am sure he thinks I am just as much of a dink as I think he is.

@Mahnax Sometimes I forget to just let things go.

Mahnax

@KitFox Most people do, myself included.

Cerberus

01:39

@KitFox Sorry, my bad.

I shouldn't have mentioned him.

KitFox

I had a good little thing on it from the last time I forgot.

Cerberus

I was just so annoyed.

KitFox

About how I sometimes lose sight of being the kind of person I want to be.

Cerberus

Same here.

I mean, if there are people like Aaronut, why can't I be nicer to Vitaly?

Mahnax

I'm trying to see both sides of the argument in there and I really can't.

Cerberus

01:41

I should be able to do that, because I like @Vitaly.

@Mahnax I can sort of see his side, remotely...but for the personal insults.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Mhm.

KitFox

Eh. He's budget minded and fiscally conservative.

I don't mind paying taxes, which is hard for fiscally conservative people to grasp.

Just as hard as it is for me to think that "it would be nice, but we can't afford it."

Because my reaction is "let's find a way then."

user19161

@Cerberus Perhaps because familiarity breeds contempt?

Cerberus

@KitFox The point is that he is saying universal/mandatory healthcare is impossible, while it is in fact possible.

KitFox

He won't believe it.

user19161

01:45

notes that sonic42 is not the hedgehog

KitFox

And you won't budge him on it.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Nah, our styles of debate just clash. But that's OK, all the more so since we know each other well.

KitFox

Especially now, since it is a matter of pride.

Cerberus

@KitFox Yeah, despite my WHO report.

Sonic42

Quick question: Is the following sentence a run-on?

"Shouldnt" is not a word, use an apostrophe.

KitFox

01:45

It's improperly punctuated.

I wouldn't say it's run on though.

Mahnax

@KitFox How?

KitFox

"Shouldnt" is not a word; use an apostrophe. Or "Shouldnt" is not a word. Use an apostrophe.

Cerberus

It is borderline: very short sentences are OK as comma splices.

KitFox

Otherwise it's a comma splice.

user19161

@KitFox Plus one.

KitFox

01:46

@Cerberus Not really.

Mahnax

I suppose.

KitFox

Comma splices are never OK!

Cerberus

Fundamentalist!

user19161

I spent several days studying commas but I have forgotten everything!

Cerberus

Perhaps it depends on your definition?

user19161

01:48

@Cerberus Many debates are just disagreements over definitions.

user19161

@Cerberus Not fine for me. I am also a fundamentalist!

Sonic42

Wikipedia has a section on acceptable uses of comma splices, but this does not appear to be one.

Cerberus

@WillHunting True.

user19161

Run-on sentence

A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction. It is generally considered a stylistic error, though it is occasionally used in literature and may be used as a rhetorical device. An example of a run-on is a comma splice, in which two independent clauses are joined with a comma without an accompanying coordinating conjunction. Some prescriptivists exclude comma splices from the definition of a run-on sentence, though this does not imply that they consider comma splices to be accept...

user19161

I would consider that a run-on if we use this definition.

Sonic42

01:51

Thanks for your help.

user19161

I wonder how the hedgehog is. He said he is going to Korea.

Cerberus

Oh, wait, this is not the Sonic!

That's what happens with all those people changing their icons and names...

user19161

11 mins ago, by Will Hunting

notes that sonic42 is not the hedgehog

Cerberus

Right, missed that one!

Mahnax

Bye!

user19161

02:02

@Mahnax Have fun!

Robusto

Night all.

user19161

@Robusto Night!

KitFox

02:18

@Robusto Night!

Do you suppose @Vitaly is actually sleeping?

user19161

@KitFox Maybe feeding on Frodo.

KitFox

Does he?

I thought that was just a story.

Cerberus

02:34

Bye all leavers!

I gave Aaronut an OECD report on healthcare to chew on.

oecd.org/document/11/…

And with that I left.

Mahnax

Good.

I ended up deciding not to make any statement, other than the one I made.

user19161

@Mahnax What a sentence you just made!

Mahnax

@WillHunting Yes indeed.

user19161

@Mahnax What is Nyeeeeeur?

Mahnax

@WillHunting The doppler effect.

user19161

02:45

@Mahnax I thought you were trying to sound like a cow.

Mahnax

@WillHunting ಂ_ಂ

user19161

@Mahnax But cows don't say "so-ri, sori"!

Mahnax

@WillHunting Huh?

user19161

@Mahnax I am referring to the video you made again, you keep forgetting!

Mahnax

@WillHunting It did not remind me of the video.

user19161

02:49

Oh Daniel seems to have recently studied some huge grammar book. His answers are full of grammatical terms.

Cerberus

03:00

@Mahnax Sometimes I think you are older than I am, hehe.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Aww.

Cerberus

03:20

@Mahnax So how is the physics report going?

user19161

@Cerberus That is because Cerberuses have long life spans.

Cerberus

@WillHunting We are next to immortal!

And it is Cerberii's'ae!

user19161

@Cerberus I can see you are slightly traumatised by the incident!

Cerberus

@WillHunting Not so much traumatized as baffled.

I really couldn't believe my ears when I heard that.

user19161

I just read a report that even with 1gb ram, 64-bit linux is recommended. Also Windows minimum requirement for 64-bit is 2gb ram.

user19161

03:26

But I have not come across any benchmark tests for the Windows case.

Cerberus

Hmm because 64-bit operates more efficiently all over?

user19161

There are many factors, I am not an expert in computers. But recommending 64-bit only when you have more than 4gb ram is supposedly a myth.

Cerberus

I would want it, in theory.

But then I'd have to switch to new things...*shudder*

user19161

So I think 64-bit will overtake the world in a few years.

user19161

@Cerberus Your XP support will end in a couple of years I think!

Cerberus

03:34

@WillHunting Yeah it's been on a long march towards that goal already.

@WillHunting All I care about is whether I can still do the stuff I want to do. So I will have to switch once I need programmes that only work on 7 or so.

user19161

@Cerberus I have a feeling you will still be using XP when you are an old man!

Cerberus

Hehe.

Hey, I made the switch from Win 98 to XP at some point!

Meysam

04:52

I am looking for the name of a situation in football, where there is only goalkeeper as the last line of defense in front of the forwarding player. What is this situation called in English?

Cerberus

@Meysam Hmm so you mean European football?

Mahnax

@Meysam A breakaway.

Meysam

@Cerberus yes

Mahnax

Or a one-on-one.

Cerberus

@Meysam Is it a situation that happens spontaneously, or is it a regulated event, like a penalty?

Meysam

04:54

@Cerberus It happens spontaneously, I don't mean penalty

Mahnax

Oh, if it's a penalty, then it's a penalty kick.

C'mon, don't ignore me here!

@Cerberus Blah.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Hello little man!

David Wallace

Yes, it's a one-on-one.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Hello old guy!

Cerberus

Hehe.

Mahnax

04:56

eats pasta

David Wallace

@Cerberus the term is "Association football", or "soccer" for short.

Mahnax

@DavidWallace Actually, I think the term is just "football" or "soccer".

Cerberus

@DavidWallace But soccer supposedly has different rules from football.

Mahnax

And "American football" is the football that Americans play, which is not soccer.

Cerberus

It is called simply football in Europe.

David Wallace

04:57

"Football" was played at Rugby School in the 1750s. "Association Football" (aka soccer) was invented in 1863. I consider the use of the word "football" to mean "association football" to be an error.

Cerberus

@Meysam Okay, I don't know of a specific term for this situation. Maybe there is one. I couldn't find anything about one-on-one.

Mahnax

@DavidWallace Fine, you win.

@Cerberus Breakaway!

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Well, everyone here uses it that way, and it is the most popular sport on the planet...

David Wallace

I think a "breakaway" is the play that might lead to a striker being in a "one-on-one" with the goalkeeper, not the "one-on-one" itself.

Mahnax

@DavidWallace No, I don't think so.

David Wallace

04:59

@Cerberus Yes, but in the Netherlands, "association football" is the only really popular form of football.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Is that really used in (ass.) football?

Mahnax

@Cerberus I believe so.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Yes, as in most of the world, I believe.

Mahnax

It's definitely more common in hockey.

I used to watch football on TV a lot.

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