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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, mostly dots in body: Is this the proper punctuation? by emetteet on english.SE
 
1:00 AM
@Mitch Well, it's not so dramatic for sure. But if you're into gazing into the night sky and are in the mood for the moon, then even the seemingly static views can be worth it.
You don't have to watch it from beginning to end. I went up to the roof for a couple minutes and that was it.
And the way the darker area goes red is watchable, I find. Although that area wasn't large enough here for the red to be easily noticeable this time.
And also if you're into psychedelics, I imagine they could help you appreciate a lunar eclipse all the more.
Or some of them could.
Those that don't curb, but rather enhance, your visual experience.
I'm going to try that sometime. Dunno where it came from just now into my mind.
 
 
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5:48 AM
"Fee-fi-fo-fum" on @Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fee-fi-fo-fum?wprov=sfii1
 
 
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7:17 AM
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Q: What is the English term,word or phrase when you are using your rivals product to gather info?

Oblivion CoderIf I'm using our rivals system or product to know more about them? What is the correct word for it?

 
 
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8:33 AM
0
Q: Derogatory term for people from places like San Francisco

SOJI'm looking for a derogatory term for people from liberal metropolitain areas who think they are better educated and more enlightened than those from rural, conservative areas. Carthage, TX is to redneck as San Francisco, CA is to ______________.

 
8:48 AM
blueblood^?
Yuppie
 
@skullpatrol I am Blue Square with Red Blood.
 
Indeed, you are.
How goes your movie absence?
 
9:23 AM
@skullpatrol Hi! Long time no see :D
I'd like to ask a question. I read a post about racism on Quora like this:

"I had a neighbor who was a sheriff. He **was** white. He had to guard an area where President Obama would be during a visit to Michigan and, as a result, got a chance to meet him."
I can I understand the part of he WAS a sheriff, but I don't get it about the 2nd sentence: he WAS white
Does that mean he changes his skin color?
 
Nope.
 
@skullpatrol So what does that mean by "he WAS white"?
 
It means a white person guarding a coloured president.
 
@skullpatrol But why use WAS, not IS
 
They used "was" in the first sentence, right?
 
9:29 AM
This also makes me confused:

"Speaking about meeting a wonderful stranger, I had an encounter a few years back. the person WAS female, bla bla bla bla..."
@skullpatrol Yes. Does that mean the next sentence must use the exact same tense?
 
"Was" happened in the past.
It's not a good idea to switch verb tenses.
 
now she is male I guess?
 
@skullpatrol But as non-native I interpret it like this: he was white and now she is no longer white
 
Not if you're talking about something that happened in the past.
Sure @Anastasiya-Romanova秀 your interpretation is correct only if you are talking about the change.
From the past condition to now.
It was like that in the past, but is like this now.
 
9:46 AM
I see. You were saying that if you're recounting events that happened in the past, then you have to stay in the past, yes?
 
Yes.
"I had a neighbour who was a sheriff. He was white. He had to guard an area where President Obama would be during a visit to Michigan and, as a result, got a chance to meet him."
 
10:04 AM
hi
 
what it is all about ?
 
English language & usage.
 
Okay great I too need a special coaching in english
I am too poor in English language
 
@sparrowTrajon then you're in the wrong place, I'm afraid
This site is for "linguists, etymologists, and (serious) English language enthusiasts." (whatever that means)
Which is not to say you're not welcome here (you are!) but that it isn't directed at people learning the language.
 
10:08 AM
okay
got it
 
So you might have trouble following the discussions. That said, feel very free to stay!
 

 Language Overflow

This is the main chat room for ell.stackexchange.com. Welcome!
@sparrowTrajon^
 
ty
but seems there is no body online there in that group
 
Yeah, we lost our most active user :'(
 
Yeah, their chat isn't very active these days, but the site is. And the main function of the Stack Exchange site is asking/answering questions on the main site, not chat.
@skullpatrol In ELL chat?
 
10:13 AM
Yup @terdon
 
Who?
 
Ah, didn't know he'd left.
 
Last seen May 12.
The chat room is soo quiet without him.
 
10:47 AM
@skullpatrol Thanks. Very helpful...
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 Hey, long time no see!
 
@JasperLoy Hi Jasper!
Ahhh, I miss you
I thought you deleted your account
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I changed my email address. If you want to, you can drop me an email. It's in my profile now, lol. This is my new SE account, lol.
 
@JasperLoy I use a new email, too
 
I see. Yeah, you can email me if you want.
But I will try not to delete any more things from now, lol.
 
10:51 AM
Copy it, I'll delete it soon
Confirm if you've copied it
 
@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 OK, I have copied it.
Haha, I didn't know you are so secretive.
 
Because I'm a minor. You taught me that, right?
 
Did I? LOL. Well, I think you are no longer a minor.
 
In my country, under 17 is considered as a minor
 
Oh, well, I never really knew your age.
And I have said so many things in these chats over so many years, I can't remember all the shit I said, lol.
I am going to eat now, bye, lol.
I am actually very sad today, even though I type lol all the time.
 
 
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12:33 PM
@JasperLoy It's probably made all the worse by your compulsion to delete your own accounts so frequently. I mean, if you didn't, you could more easily reread your chatlogs and answers!
 
12:51 PM
@JasperLoy Why?
Do you still have your thing?
I mean about your issue
 
1:04 PM
hey - so i'm wondering if there's a word/verb for this - the act of calling out another for their gross wrongness/criminality in attempts to hold them accountable / put them to trial, while establishing a stance of opposition in the name of justice.

not sure if a word exists. but best comparison i can think of...
Colonial Americans in their act of their Declaration of Rights and Grievances
 
@vaapad Accuse?
 
or perhaps - to declare one's opposition by exposing another's crimes (that's probably the summary of what i intended)
 
Try an example sentence.
 
'accuse' is my first thought, but in my example its as if the crimes of another are obvious
 
@vaapad Please give an example sentence.
 
1:10 PM
i may just be confused and attempting to put a word to an emotion, let me think
i think the best verb i can think of is 'call to trial'
was wanting something less legal, but more so heroic
 
@vaapad Call out might work, as could outing, but again, without an example I cannot help you.
 
1:26 PM
Yeah, "call out" works for me.
I'm gonna "call you out" on that.
Informally^
 
1:45 PM
I agree, 'call out' is the best example thus far.
"Unable to accomplice his master's horrific crimes, he pulled out his sword and ****** his master, ready to defend against that which he could no longer be a part of"
 
2:12 PM
if # is a prefix of #foo, . is a (postfix|suffix) of foo. ?
I prefer suffix, but I just saw postfix somewhere
 
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Q: "Postfix" or "suffix"?

l0b0Wikipedia and The Free Dictionary were not much help — is there a practical difference in the semantics of suffix and postfix, except that the latter is more rare? File name extensions are well known. For example, index.en.xhtml could reasonably be assumed to be the index file of a website dire...

@vaapad accomplice?
But challenged is the only verb I can see there.
 
2:47 PM
my perfect verb would be 'challenged' with an implication of heroism and righteousness. i don't think one exists.
also, apologies - 'accomplice' cannot be used as a verb, updating..
cannot update... "Unable to serve as accomplice to his..."
 
@vaapad Unable to countenance is probably what you're after.
And challenge does have an implication of heroism and righteousness, kinda.
> transitive v. To call to engage in a contest, fight, or competition: challenged me to a game of chess.
transitive v. To invite with defiance; dare: challenged him to contradict her. See Synonyms at defy.
transitive v. To take exception to; call into question; dispute: a book that challenges established beliefs.
> transitive v. To call, invite, or summon to answer for an offense by personal combat.
 
'suffix' is something you add to the end of a word to augment the word. '-ly' is a suffix that creates an adverb out of an adjective: quick->quickly
'postfix' describes the syntax of an operation. '+' for addition is an infix operation because it goes between the two operands, '-' for negation is a prefix operation (-5 is negative 5), and factorial is postfix, 5! = 120.
 
3:05 PM
@terdon
ty for showing me a new word.
and well to counter, "Thirsty for revenge, the villain challenged the hero to one last duel"
In the quest for my perfect word, I can only envision scenarios.. "a boy making it known to a bully that he will no longer tolerate/accept bullying, openly displaying that he will stand up to the bully by any means necessary"
"Witnessing the bully's torturous teasing of the weak, the boy ******* the bully and shouted 'That's Enough! This end's today! I won't stand for this anymore!' "
.....
perhaps "denounced" ??
 
confronted works, yes
I believe denounce to be the best choice so far, given the context requirements I was looking for.
 
Ready for confrontation.
 
Denounce:
to condemn or censure openly or publicly:
to denounce a politician as morally corrupt.

2.to make a formal accusation against, as to the police or in a court.
3.to give formal notice of the termination or denial of (a treaty, pact, agreement, or the like).
4.Archaic. to announce or proclaim, especially as something evil or calamitous.
Denounce implies that the object is of evil/malicious nature.
Thus I do not think it could be used by an evil or malicious Subject.
 
3:20 PM
@caub which is to say, whatever the dictionary entries and ELU answer, I've only ever seen 'suffix' used to describe word modifications (never 'postfix'), and postfix only ever in the math sense.
 
@vaapad yes, denounced or confront can also work. It all depends on context.
 
3:40 PM
@vaapad To denounce only implies that the object is bad from the perspective of the denouncer.
 
3:55 PM
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Q: How to derive from "zealot"

David Haim(Disclaimer: not only I tried googling the answer, I also asked native english speakers, but they couldn't give me a definitive answer). Basically, In one of my conversations, I said the following sentence: They haven't contributed much to the world aside zealotness. Then I got confused, a...

 
TIL that a zenzizenzizenzic number is the eighth power of some root. Who knew?
 
Is that German?
 
@tchrist pix or it didn't happen
 
Zenzizenzizenzic is an obsolete form of mathematical notation representing the eighth power of a number (that is, the zenzizenzizenzic of a number x is the number x8), dating from a time when powers were written out in words rather than as superscript numbers. This term was suggested by Robert Recorde, a 16th-century Welsh writer of popular mathematics textbooks, in his 1557 work The Whetstone of Witte (although his spelling was zenzizenzizenzike); he wrote that it "doeth represent the square of squares squaredly". At the time Recorde proposed this notation, there was no easy way of denoting the...
 
And 7th power is a second sursolide. Makes sense.
I guess it was better than what came before
 
4:10 PM
Recorde had a sad ending to his life.
 
> As well as being a mathematical oddity, it survives as a linguistic oddity: zenzizenzizenzic has more Zs than any other word in the OED.
 
@tchrist petitions OED to add the sixteenth power
To be frank it's a dumb word
 
Sounds like a zen Buddhist chant
 
@Mitch The dumb have no words, Frank.
 
4:21 PM
Zen zi Zen zi Zen zic
 
Hi I just woke up.
 
4:32 PM
@JasperLoy I haven't yet. This is my head squashing my fingres on the keyboard accidentally.
 
@Mitch Hi, I am so surprised to get emails from two people that I didn't expect at all.
 
Hi, I didn't expect it either. But then I didn't get them at all
@TheRaidersofLasVegas >Recorde[who was Welsh]'s notation is zenzic, which is a German spelling of the medieval Italian word censo, meaning "squared"
If we could only get Russian in there, we'd have the whole show!
 
4:47 PM
The Champawat Tiger was a female Bengal tiger responsible for an estimated 436 deaths in Nepal and the Kumaon area of India, mostly during the 19th century. Her attacks have been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the highest number of fatalities from a tiger. She was shot in 1907 by Jim Corbett. == History == The tiger began her attacks in a region of Nepal close to the Himalayas during the late 19th century, with people being ambushed by the dozen as they walked through the jungle. Hunters were sent in to kill the tiger, but she managed to evade them. Eventually, the Nepalese Army...
 
@Færd hungry hungry kitty
 
Yeah. A bit too old to be called that.
200
 
Impressive.
One wonders, though, why a party of 12 in known tigress territory should be without a single gun.
And a entire village.
 
5:03 PM
Poverty?
The villagers may have been armed and shitless still.
 
A few swords, then?
 
Come on. It's a tiger.
 
I would rather carry a sword than go around unarmed. Especially if I were a group of people.
 
Sure.
Damn. Even a leopard. 150.
 
5:20 PM
@Cerberus It would have to be a pretty long sword then. Or a small group.
 
5:32 PM
@Færd imagine it thinking "damn, I wonder why I never tried hoomin meat before. It's so dang delicious"
Or maybe Indians are more delicious than average.
That's a compliment
 
@Cerberus It's certainly better to have 2 arms than none.
 
I'd rather have four arms
3
 
@M.A.R. Or "Damn, I wish I wasn't addicted to this shit. I so wanna quit. attacks more people in frustration"
 
@terdon Better a short sword than none at all.
 
Only slightly clumsier
@Færd hah, I knew my skin had methamphetamine
 
5:36 PM
> Of the two man-eating leopards of Kumaon, which between them killed 525 people, the Panar Leopard followed on the heels of a very severe outbreak of cholera, while the Rudraprayag Leopard followed the 1918 influenza epidemic which was particularly deadly in India.
@M.A.R. Probably not the skin.
 
The blood?
 
Hmm. Better. It has to live up to the film noir vibe.
 
@Færd oh. So they were trying to . . . help?
Or did they only eat healthy humans?
 
No. They were conditioned to eat human flesh after having been presented with a profusion of free amounts, due to the epidemics.
Then saw no way out of keeping attacking live humans.
 
Oh, more scientific than I thought
 
5:45 PM
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Q: Synonym for "compelling"/"inviting" starting with R

K_7I originally wrote I think one of the most compelling parts of being an engineer is the holistic nature of the job in my essay, but thought of a better word later to replace "comeplling". For some reason, I can't remember the word. What I can remember is that it starts with an "r" (possi...

 
Eww... cholera is bad enough but to be eaten by a tiger or leopard while not being able to stop shitting is ... well just being eaten is bad
@Færd wait...500? You'd figure after say 10, people might try to come up with a plan.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Synonym for "compelling"/"inviting" starting with R by Carl Witthoft on english.SE
 
6:10 PM
@Mitch Tell me about it. Apparently we're much more vulnerable than we think.
And weaker.
> The Leopard of Rudraprayag was a male man-eating leopard, reputed to have killed over 125 people. It was eventually killed by hunter and author Jim Corbett.
> The first victim of the leopard was from Benji Village, and was killed in 1918. For the next eight years, people were afraid to venture alone at night on the road between the Hindu shrines of Kedarnath and Badrinath, for it passed through the leopard's territory, and few villagers left their houses after dark. The leopard, preferring human flesh, would break down doors, leap through windows, claw through the mud or thatch walls of huts and drag the occupants out before devouring them.
> According to official records, the leopard killed over 125 people. However, Corbett notes that the number of deaths was probably higher due to unreported kills and deaths due to injuries sustained in attacks.
Or cats are more intelligent and cunning than we think.
> Units of Gurkha soldiers and British soldiers were sent to track it but failed. Attempts to kill the leopard with high powered gin traps and poison also failed. Several well-known hunters tried to capture the leopard and as the British government offered financial rewards. In the autumn of 1925, Jim Corbett took it upon himself to try to kill the leopard and after a ten-week hunt, he successfully did so on 2 May 1926.
> It is estimated that over 250 people are killed by lions every year.
I'm just getting the adrenaline going. It's not like this is is the newsworthiest issue to talk about.
@Mitch I think they started off scavenging the dead corpses. :-)
(Correction: scavenging for dead corpses)
 
6:30 PM
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Q: What to call a place where we can buy all grocery item?

John WickWhat to called a place or person where you can buy all grocery item

 
6:44 PM
@Feeds ?
Grocery store?
Call it X
.
Is that you Norton?
 
7:02 PM
Did I slip into an alternate dimension in my sleep recently?
@Tonepoet it's only your opinion that you think these traits are good. — Carl 8 mins ago
 
7:18 PM
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Q: Derogatory term for people from places like San Francisco

SOJI'm looking for a derogatory term for people from liberal metropolitain areas who think they are better educated and more enlightened than those from rural, conservative areas. Carthage, TX is to redneck as San Francisco, CA is to ______________. EDIT: In response to comments below, I feel I ...

Please close that excrement. Thank you.
 
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Q: What is an accurate section title that includes a summary, but builds further into new topics?

EddieI am writing an article series. The series follows this format: Terminology overview Focused look at term #1 Focused look at term #2 Focused look at term #3 Focused look at term #4 Summary / Advanced Topics / Supplemental Knowledge I'm trying to find an appropriate title for the final article...

 
Poetry!!!
 
@tchrist My magic SWR badge saved the day.
Hey, @tchrist, I'm trying to parse some Spanish: "Me voy a con mi hermano" ... Is this a reduction of "... voy a ir con mi hermano"? And why the reflexive? Why not "[Yo] voy a ..."?
I know what it means: "I'm going to go with my brother." I just don't quite grok how it gets there.
 
@Robusto That is really funny. I hope you are having fun there.
 
7:29 PM
There are a bunch of colloquial collocation with ir that may as well be phrase verbs.
That one seems more like I'm off with my brother now.
 
@Robusto It wouldn't surprise me if there was a pejorative word specifically for friscans but until such a word is found, I suppose the question is better off closed as a dupe because people don't really treat S.W.Rs. so exactingly, which I think is a darn shame.
 
@JasperLoy Of course.
 
I'm trying to remember the common "error" native speakers make there casually. Did you check DRAE?
 
@tchrist Why do people think the second cousin of the lightning bug is a sufficient answer to S.W.Rs?
 
@Tonepoet Cross cousin or parallel cousin?
 
7:32 PM
@tchrist You mean dle.rae.es?
It doesn't seem they do phrases.
 
@tchrist I've never been the sort to attend family meetings, so I dunno what the difference is, or what they mean. Regardless, 'tis an allusion to certain quotations, and no, I won't tell you which ones right now. XP
I gotta keep the big guns in reserve. >_>
 
First irse is more like leave or to go out or to be off.
 
@Tonepoet If you can live and work in the City by the Bay, perhaps the freest and most open carnival of sexual theater known to humans, I think nothing anyone can say to or about you will make a dime's worth of difference.
@tchrist Thanks.
 
Second that extra a shows up in speech in "erroneous" places like "voy a por". This seems the same type of thing.
It's considered casual but common. You'd only write it in dialogue.
 
Ah.
 
7:37 PM
@Robusto Perhaps not Mr. Robusto, but people will try regardless, so I stand by my prior statement. XP
 
@Robusto Thanks. My feeling that it needed closing is stronger than any particular commitment to any given close reason.
 
@Tonepoet And we should help them rain on someone's (gay pride) parade precisely why?
@tchrist I don't get to use my magic button often, and it's generally gratifying when I do.
 
@Robusto Perhaps simply because we can. Far be it from me to be raining on anybody's parades, but scholastic philology is its own pursuit. Surely you wouldn't suggest that the O.E.D. omit valid terms on the basis that people find offensive, would you?
 
@Robusto aye
 
7:44 PM
@Tonepoet We are not the OED, and the OED is not an open forum ripe for abuse.
 
Thing is, it's also Unclear What You're Asking and Too Broad and Primarily Opinion Based and Not Constructive and Violates SE's Be-Nice Policy.
 
@Robusto Perhaps not, but we aim to be like it, except better, and of course I do not condone the actual abuse here.
 
@tchrist I'd settle for "alt-right motherfucker" ...
 
@Robusto Ça.
The deleted answer shows how bad this risks roiling up our community.
 
@Tonepoet If we really want to be like it we'll stop letting people opine orthogonally.
 
7:49 PM
@tchrist Mr. tchrist, I think it is against your better interest to continue referencing closure reasons which were discontinued and replaced, otherwise we may very well have Closure War II on our hands. "Not constructive" was discontinued by corporate due to perceived abuse, and you know we're already at a 60% closure rate.
 
@Tonepoet Other.
I don't expect to resolve our SWR debacle standing in line to board a cross-country flight.
 
@tchrist On the other hand, you might have enough time.
 
@tchrist Other seems mostly intended to replace off-topic, probably with the goal of explaining why it is not about the website's scope so that it can be brought back into the scope if at all possible. Remember, the motivation behind the changes was to better facilitate the close to improve and reopen cycle
as far as English Language & Usage was concerned.
 
Off-topic Other: Potstirrer
 
8:05 PM
@tchrist That'd be a disaster of a close reason which would see the and questions removed from the website.
 
Small violins
 
I was more comfortable talking about leopards eating cholera victims.
 
I noticed ELU starts name-calling and shaming mods way too fast and often for a bunch of boring scholars
 
But that's not a full endorsement of cholera
@M.A.R. How dare you disparage ELU like that
I thought I'd escalate as quickly as possible to save time.
 
@Mitch VTC my chat message then </smirk>
 
8:15 PM
flagged
for using XML
 
Oh yeah? Flagged back
For using italics
 
ha...no tag backs
hahahah software pun of the day!!!!
I did it! I did it! ha ha ha! I did it!
 
You always do it
 
@Mitch Don't you mean no flag backs? =P
 
Except when I don't
 
8:19 PM
> Pale Moon is not Firefox, and will never be again.
 
@Mitch which is never
You run on bad puns
 
@Cerberus Eh? I used to use that browser. Did they get their own original code base?
I used it because it was supposed to be an optimized version of Firefox though.
 
@Tonepoet No, but they have been diverging over the years.
 
@M.A.R. I hesitate to respond because the only come back for that is a product placement.
and I'm not getting free samples
 
Compatibilities multiply with the years.
 
8:22 PM
@Cerberus is the mutation rate constant?
 
Is any mutation rate constant?
But, anyway, how do you feel about the language?
3 mins ago, by Cerberus
> Pale Moon is not Firefox, and will never be again.
 
I think gene mutations are.
 
Oh my! Those are such strong words to say that Mozilla isn't pushing for freedom on the Internet anymore. Is it true @Cerberus?
 
@Mitch I don't think so!
 
also phonological changes
 
8:24 PM
@Cerberus I'd put an It after the And.
 
In genetics, the mutation rate is the frequency of new mutations in a single gene or organism over a various amount of time. Mutation rates are not constant and are not limited to a single type of mutation, therefore there are many different types of mutations. Mutation rates are given for specific classes of mutations. Point mutations, are a class of mutations, which are small or large scale insertions or deletions. There are also Missense and Nonsense mutations, which are variations of point mutations. The rate of these types of substitutions can be further subdivided into a mutation spectrum...
it says it right there 'not constant'.
But I think it is more complex than that.
for particular kinds of genes there are sometimes constants, and sometimes varying rates.
 
Otherwise, I'd bet 2:1 that it's adapted from some quotation, or at least just so long as the bet wasn't too high. >_>
 
a lot of dating of animal speciation is done by assuming a constant rate for some particular set of genes.
 
@M.A.R. The bigger the pool, the more faecal flotsam flies.
 
analogous situation with phonology/vocab for glottodendrochronology
 
8:27 PM
@Tonepoet I agree. Or: Pale Moon is not Firefox, and never will be again.
 
@M.A.R. the arguments in academia are so vicious because the stakes are so low.
 
@Cerberus Firefox is the best browser.
 
@Mitch rests case
 
lynx is the best browser
none of those pesky blinking animated gifs
@Cerberus agitates case a little with the following comment
 
@Mitch I don't think it is ever truly constant. But perhaps it more or less evens out over large periods, under x circumstances.
 
8:29 PM
not this comment, but the comment after the one you linked
 
Too late!
Even later!
 
@Cerberus The other thing that's strange about it is that it doesn't give a sense of time in the first clause. Pale Moon is no longer Firefox, and it never will be again. would probably be the best form logistically speaking, although it loses a little of its succinctness.
 
@Tonepoet Strong words, indeed. I would not be so damning. They still have freedom of the Internet at large, and privacy, as their top priorities, no less than before. But they are taking some steps that will reduce user choice to some degree with the new add-on system.
 
@Cerberus It is never too late. There is always a future life, even if one cannot achieve something in the present life.
 
@Cerberus I think it could be either a statistical reality (the rate changes but only within a range), or is a different constant for different genes, or is 'punctuated' changes little, but with great change during short periods of time, or an artifact of taking the average (the average always is a constant no matter how varying reality is).
 
8:32 PM
@Tonepoet All old add-ons will stop working, and the new ones will be subject to many limitations, various of which not yet known, even though it's supposed to happen this autumn.
 
There, that's all the philosophy of science ever.
 
@Cerberus To be fair, the last time I checked, there was too much liberty with the add-on system. People were publishing things that would be more appropriate as stand alone programs, than a feature built into the browser.
 
@Tonepoet That would be even more specific, but I think Palemoon is not Firefox now is fine.
 
@JasperLoy I've had many lives, but they are all me. And that's really just metaphorical. It's always been me, I just moved house.
 
@JasperLoy Well, that depends. Palemoon is a fork of Firefox, and it's also good.
 
8:34 PM
Fork off Firefox
 
@Cerberus Should I try Palemoon?
 
You should try Pokémoon. Pika Pika!
 
@Mitch It's probably all of those things combined. But genetic mutations are to a large part caused by damage from cosmic radiation that isn't entirely repaired, in that particular sexual cell which happens to clone or contain the DNA that will grow into a new baby.
So there's lots of arbitrariness and variation.
I believe the other causes of genetic mutation are also quite arbitrary.
 
@JasperLoy You can't. The last time I checked, it was a Mac O.S. exclusive browser.
 
@Tonepoet Like what? And how can there be too much freedom, if people can decide not to install those add-ons?
@Tonepoet Absolutely not!
I have never heard of Palemoon's ever being only on Mac, but, if it ever was, that must have been very long ago, in its earliest and obscurest history.
@JasperLoy The experience will be much like Firefox, probably.
You should try it if there are specific things you are looking for that Palemoon has and Firefox hasn't.
 
8:40 PM
I could be mistaken. I was looking for builds of Firefox that were optimized for specific processors and found it that way if I recall correctly. Where's the changelog?
 
@Cerberus I uncheck the box saying 'allow sites to choose their own fonts' and I get very nice fonts for almost all sites in Firefox.
 
My big problem with Chrome is they took out the switch that governed video auto-play. I hate having sites play their stupid videos when I go to them.
 
I don't know: I haven't used Palemoon in a long time.
@JasperLoy Good.
@Robusto Oh, seriously? That's awful.
Isn't there some option or add-on that can stop auto-play?
 
Yeah. And AdBlock stopped working on YouTube.
@Cerberus Dunno.
 
@Robusto My big problem with Chrome is that you have to manually set the -incognito flag to always launch it in incognito mode.
 
8:42 PM
@Cerberus Me neither. Right now I'm using Chrome because I need Pepperflash for Ubuntu to run flash, or otherwise I'm stuck with version 11 from Adobe.
 
@Tonepoet Flash is used on very few sites now, but I dunno about games.
I can watch all online videos I want without Flash.
Flash is dead.
 
@JasperLoy It's still used on a few, and there's too much old content on Newgrounds to dismiss so readily.
 
flash game website admins everywhere are losing their heads
 
And many old nonflash plugins no longer work in many browsers.
Plugins are becoming obsolete.
One should be able to do anything without any plugins.
 
@Robusto Have you tried Ublock Origin?
That's currently the best ad blocker.
@Tonepoet Ah, I see.
 
8:50 PM
@Cerberus Nope, haven't. Does it work even on sites that bar adblockers?
 
You could of course install the "open in chrome" add-on in Firefox and press the button when you're on a Flash page.
 
huh.. quite a few Linux users here, I see... (sorry, just having a chat all on my own)
 
@Robusto I don't know what sites do that (link?), but it seems to work almost everywhere for me.
And you can always temporarily disable it at the click of a button.
 
@Cerberus Try thefreedictionary.com and see if it complains.
 
@Robusto reloading works sometimes on ad blocking blocking [sic] websites (like news ones)
 
8:52 PM
This is in Firefox.
 
That was maybe the loosest, but the only one I remember offhand.
 
Chrome.
 
try bloomberg.com, I think that one complains as well.
 
wired.com does sometimes
and telegraph, I think
 
Interesting!
 
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