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00:17
@tchrist Ah, thanks. But sometimes I see both in a Spanish-language show. I'm pretty sure I'd notice if they were speaking Portuguese.
I can't really say. Mistakes may have been made.
Is that common, misplacing accents?
BTW, a tip o' the hat to John McCain ...
00:41
@Robusto You wouldn't think so, but I'm constantly amazed.
I'd have thought it difficult to have any spelling problems at all with Spanish.
It's written like it's pronounced. Unlike English.
Trust me, I don't know.
People misspell the plural of carácter too.
The stress shifts in the plural.
It's not the only one, but it makes sense in Latin.
Sim, talvez seja por o latim. Vejo que também tem a mesma deslocação do acento tónico o plural de épsilon > epsílones. Acho que é porque épsilon e palavra esdrúxula no singular, e no caso contrário seria “sobresdrúxula” (ICK! :) no plural. Ou é que epsilão, epsilões já existem no português como palavras mais normais? — tchrist ♦ Sep 20 '15 at 15:04
The Spanish don't try with épsilon; they leave it invariant.
PT: épsilon m (plural epsílones (Portugal) or épsilons (Brazil))
ES: épsilon f (plural épsilon)
And yes, letters are feminine in Spanish but masculine in Portuguese.
How does the tilde affect vowel pronunciation in Portuguese?
It adds nasalization.
Maybe that's why it sounds like lazy Spanish to me.
Or French-ified Spanish, at any rate.
00:49
Sounds that way to all of us. :)
There's a minimal pair between Portuguese (Spanish allá) and Portuguese (Spanish laña, wool).
There aren't many like that, but there are some.
Usually it just means they stopped writing the n.
ES: la mano PT a mão, as mãos
ES: el capitán PT o capitão, os capitães
ES: la acción PT a acção, as acções > respelled to ação, as ações
I have no idea how people without access to Spanish, Italian, or Latin remember those.
I mean learners. Native speakers "just know them".
Right.
ões reminds you of the sound of English orange kinda.
Pretty much you say "oizh" but add a lot of nose.
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Oinja gladja asked!
That one.
Of course.
Ha.
How are you liking the current season?
01:05
It's ok. There are no more slow episodes.
It all feels very mechanical.
Yeah.
They're trying to get to The End.
Yeah, but taking their time doing it.
Everybody knows Jon and Daenerys are going to hook up.
I wish Jorah's cure had involved ground up dragonglass salve and scraping with Valyrian steel.
Who knew it was that simple?
01:07
Not that that would have made a great deal of sense because it was the Rhoynish Shrouded Lord's curse against the Valyrians.
Oh, you can just debride the crust?
Problem solved!
So HBO's series seems to be Martin's self-driving car now.
Only two parties: oligarchs versus crazies.
01:22
I'll take the crazies, I guess.
01:35
@Robusto Somebody had the guts to say what needed to be said, and the pivotal vote to make the difference. He will be remembered for this.
It's a bit chauvinist not to remember Collins and Murkowski in this though.
Agreed.
I like the way Murkowski bit back at Trump's intimidation tactics.
It's pretty stupid for an Interior Secretary to threaten the chair of a couple committees with specific oversight and funding control over his department.
There used to be liberal Republicans before they went extinct in our own day. John Chafee, Lincoln Chafee.
I don't know what you'd call Teddy Roosevelt.
"progressive" perhaps.
Definitely. He was the trust buster.
We need a whole lot of that now.
Definitely.
Nice.
Not a doctrinaire Republican at all.
@tchrist Is there a good way to search for questions closed with a particular reason?
@Tonepoet Perhaps.
You'd have to join on the CloseReasonTypes and/or CloseAsOffTopicReasonTypes tables.
But if that isn't your idea of "good", I'm afraid you're out of luck.
Bon appétit
One of those might work.
maybe
Hmm, that might not be of much use for me, but it is interesting. Thank you @tchrist.
02:02
That last one says "Questions closed for a custom reason"
Seems to be what you're looking for.
However, it specifies the id as an integer, so you'd have to figure out which one it is.
BINGO!
I got there by going to the Compose Query page, looking through the schema, finding the table for close reasons, and then clicking on the info button.
Are you looking for a close reason that's an off-topic one of some flavor, or one of the others?
Forgot about this one ...
Comes up at work at times.
02:47
Hello.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is there an umbrella word for "Installment" "Lender" "Financier" and "Investor" by Andy Perry on english.SE
This way, it's readable and you get the tooltip.
Hello.
02:56
Oh, the usual!
And you?
Good.
03:20
@tchrist What I wanted to do is sort through single word requests closed for each of the respective typical reasons (P.O.B., Unclear, Gen. Ref., Too Broad and Duplicate) so I could use them as examples of what a should not be, with the perhaps all too optimistic hope of reducing the worst examples. The problem I face is that although all of the closure reasons are relevant, each category interferes with my ability to isolate examples from the other categories.
That's important because I do not deign that every question which has been closed was closed fairly, so I need to read questions until I find examples which I personally considered to be closed for a legitimately applied reason which I can explain.
Reading through dozens of unnecessary P.O.B. closures, to find a valid Gen. Ref. closure is not an appealing prospect.
04:22
@Tonepoet - what a single-word-request should (not) be is rather clearly defined in the help center. The problem, IMO, is getting noobs to adhere to it, or closing them fast enough that it doesn't matter. We can have all the rules in the world, but if no one enforces them, then what's the point.
@Mazura Yes and no. The help center does clearly define what a question should or should not be, but it does not apply an analysis of its principles directly to any particular category of question.
@Mazura Guiding people around the help center is also of some value, because it spans over many disorganized and hidden pages.
Even experienced users forget what's written in the help center pages, and perhaps more importantly why it's there.
 
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06:28
@KitZ.Fox Turns out it has the reverse effect: goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/…
 
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15:48
HI
 
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17:07
Is this correct?
> as far as you can
I want to say "the max of your ability"
may be as long as you can is better
ah ok
The best you can.
Need more context.
@MartinAJ give a full sentence
@skullpatrol jinx
17:19
@MartinAJ give a full sentence, it all depends.
We can it "sniped" in the math room pal.
full sentence: "guys, as long as you can publish your ideas, all of them will be helpful"
ah I dont know if it would be correct
in this context
can call
@MartinAJ That sounds just right. the others don't. in this particular context
'as long as' means 'if' here
17:24
yes
I would replace it by if :p
'as long as' sounds very natural here. 'if' might be a little more formal than you want
or may be "guys, if you keep ..."
no ?
'as long as' has a nice nuance to it: 'things will go just fine if you publish your ideas. All of them will be helpful'
@Sayros 'keep'?
if you keep publishing your ideas
@MartinAJ is an email or discussion ?
Most of my ideas aren't publishable
17:28
@M.A.R. Hi o/
Hello
@Sayros no, it's a comment in a group
is "legacy" word depends always from the context ?
legacy application means eldest application ?
@MartinAJ I dunno as Mitch confirm you can keep as long as
18:13
a day in the year is almost like a degree in a circle
@caub or a grad in Russia
18:49
@Sayros yup. something transmitted by or received from an ancestor or predecessor or from the past - MW
as in 'this is the application's legacy, where it came from'
19:23
oh thanks @marcellothearcane
20:11
@Tonepoet - Apparently we did start over, 7 months ago: “What’s wrong with single word requests?”
@Mazura 10-14 votes is not indicative of a consensus on meta, if we even consideer that the canonical question.regarding the matter, which as I've mentioned before, I doubt. Shog9's post is stronger indication,but I'd like to see just how corporate thinks meta set policy is supposed to work before we can really be certain, since their opinion overrides all other factors.
"SE management have repeatedly said SWRs do not belong here, with the exception of requests which are: expert-level, particularly interesting, unique, and thought-provoking, showing effort and research into the question." – On deleting low quality single-word-request answers
I can only assume that the reason why the other sites, like Math, don't find this problem insurmountable, is because they have enough high-rep and invested users (who have enough close votes between them) not to run out of close votes before the work is done. –What can we do to make this site more “intimidating”?
@Mazura That's a different matter than what I was discussing, and @MetaEd doesn't disclose his sources or explain why the matter hasn't been forced as of yet.
@Tonepoet - That's what I want to know from corporate. I'm assuming they don't want to take the hit to the site's traffic, so they let it lie. (lay? ;p)
20:27
@Mazura What I meant by "that" is determining just how to know which question regarding a matter on meta is the canonical question. Without that guidance it's really rather hard to say how meta-set policy is supposed to work. Do I go by how many votes a question has, who wrote it, how recent it was, a combination of those factors or something else? I know meta is meant to influence policy, but there are no really clear guidelines regarding how.
@Tonepoet They're like the Fed, and we're like the States. We can disagree with each other when it suits us, but there's this guy called Community that has the final say. It's a grey area left up to us until they take action. Google, can you swear at SE, and then go look at it with the way back machine. The SW for that is kibosh.
I don't even know when to consult our local meta, or the general S.E. meta, or if S.E. meta votes should be considered 1:1 equivalent to English Language & Usage meta votes. 'Tis an utter mess of a system and not something I would replicate if I was making my own website.
I know meta is meant to influence policy, but there are no really clear guidelines regarding how. That should be a meta question.
@Mazura Ugh, don't even get me started on the 10th amendment... v_v
That should have been the very first, ever, meta question.
@Tonepoet Tomas Jefferson was a jerk ;)
@Tonepoet Until they become part of the help center or have status complete on them, I don't think they're worth squat. They're simply guidelines which may or may not help you get more votes on SE, or explain why you aren't, or worse.
20:48
@Mazura The help center itself seems to indicate otherwise under the voting on few voting on meta provisions, but it's just such a vaguely described system. From what I can gather, we should really only ever have one question regarding a subject because we have the duplicate flag on meta, and if that was the case it'd be easy because votes would set the policy.
The problem here is that in practice we have dozens of questions regarding practically identical matters competing for the spot of 'most valid'.
 
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> Segontia fuit oppidum Carpetanorum. Tempore Romanorum, Segontia viculus erat in Hispania Tarraconensis sed cum Visigothis, urbem crescit et sedem accepit. Tunc, Mauri Segontiam praesido cum castello fecerunt qui Castellani ceperunt anno 1123.
The toponym Segontia seems of disputed origin. At least it's unclear to me.
The Latin is broken.
With simply incorrect inflexion and English punctuation.

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