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17:10
Well, you will not seldom see God used for Allah in respectable English texts.
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@Mitch Oh come on. Your use of the term "dude-like" gave me a good laugh.
Does anybody know what's the meaning of this? "warren and brandeis"
In this sentence: "Warren and Brandeis: what about first amendment?"
Names of politicians.
Hence the capital letters.
17:25
ah I see, thx
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@Mitch It is a wrong concept. We don't personify our God. We just use this word "He" to describe Himself. It has nothing to do with "he" as in Zeus (he) or Apollo (he) etc.
Well, I would say he is less personified than Zeus, but still quite a person.
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So no, not dude like. We can't define the word I guess. We define it with traits as in "Merciful" etc.
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There are 99 names of Islamic God, you can Google.
@Ghalib it's 100 names
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17:28
@Cerberus No, not a person. Never.
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@Shafizadeh The hundredth one is "Allah"? I forgot I guess.
:-) .. yes. that's the main one
@Ghalib actually, there are 1001 names for Islamic God
CC @Shafizadeh
A sex, a will, emotions, intellect: those are normally properties of a person (or other animal) in the real world.
@M.A.R. As far as I know, it's 100 names base on Dua'a Jaushan-e-Kabeer
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17:32
@Cerberus I can discuss the topic with you in private. I mean I would rather not in public. Scholars here say not to go into detail on that subject.
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I am not a scholar though.
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But my concept was like yours in the past. When I was very young.
@Shafizadeh exactly, it has 100 "verses" that each contain 10 names
And no one knows the 1001th name I guess
@Ghalib Oh, don't bother, that won't be necessary.
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@Cerberus Oh okay. :)
17:33
@M.A.R. Oh right .. I missed that. CC @Ghalib
@Cerb as far as I know, Muslims are terribly inconsistent with their personifying Allah.
But Saudi Arabians Sunnis often do
Right.
Isn't that often the case with religious figures?
I'm not sure if the sources I've read on that aren't biased
It's really hard to get a trustworthy source on these
Where do you live @M.A.R. ?
@Cerberus are we just discussing Islam, or other religions as well?
17:35
Isn't personification the conexion of the personal with the non-personal, and isn't it often unstable, i.e. changeable and only partial?
@Shafizadeh Tabriz
@M.A.R. I was trying to generalise, to personificaton in general.
@M.A.R. ah ok.
@Cerberus personifying makes the god kinda intimate I guess
Some degree of personification is I think essential to most or all religions.
17:38
You say you expect god x to be formidable, but formidable is too unreachable for you so you personify the god to make him/it reachable
I suppose you could say more personification is more intimate?
@Cerberus Oh. I hardly ever see 'God' instead of 'Allah' in Islamic contexts.
It's rather like turning a god into a perfect being you can imitate
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@M.A.R. To you probably. I'm a Sunni muslim. So to us, it is 99 or perhaps 100.
Is this sentence correct?
17:39
@Mitch Hardly ever is a lot less often than I see it! Cf. Google Books link above.
> as yet i know of no women involved specifically in this area of study, nor of any men
@Cerberus Sure, it happens. But I'm not used to that
@Mitch I usually only see it when people try to translate bismillah
@Mitch It's certainly less common than with e.g. the Jewish god.
@Ghalib well, my only source for that is a prayer we have
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17:40
@Shafizadeh I don't read Dua'a Jaushan-e-Kabeer. I'm a Sunni muslim. (so not sure if Sunnis read it)
I think.
@Ghalib OK, that's getting into theology which is arguable to the point of arguing.
@Ghalib Ah ok .. nice to meet you Bro :-)
I don't think Allah cares how many names we use to call him, as long as we call him @Ghalib
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@Shafizadeh Nice to meet you too. :)
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17:41
@M.A.R. Yeah.
Counting names is what we care about
@M.A.R. +1
@M.A.R. He prefers not to be referred to as 'dude-like'
Then again, who does?
Jul 13 at 15:34, by M.A.R.
4 mins ago, by M.A.R.
Haha I can agree with that
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17:48
@Mitch Hehe. I can see your confusion. You can't always find logic in belief Mitchy.
@Cerberus Touché
Few people like to be 'touché'd
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Belief or Faith. These things don't always make sense.
@Ghalib I'm not confused
Believing something probably always requires knowledge and/or logic and/or common sense. Believing in something doesn't necessarily require those tho
I hope I didn't mix up those two
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@Mitch Ok. I misread I guess.
17:50
@Mitch touché
Touché is cliché.
@M.A.R. I wasn't aiming for you but I'll take the point
Cliché is clichéd
It seems that way sometimes
That was anodyne
or rather, banal
I have trouble distinguishing ennui and anomie
I have trouble distinguishing distinguishing and distinguished
@Mitch apparently there's also "annuie"
@M.A.R. Holy crap. Stop it!
what does that mean?!
17:54
Dunno, it's Italian
I have enough words!
But probably has to do with years
I didn't know anomie was English.
Recent borrowing from French?
@Cerberus Sans doute
@Cerberus probably since yesterday
17:55
@M.A.R. No I'm pretty sure before then
Right.
sounds kind of 1950's to me
La Nausée and all that and a bag of chips
@Mitch there's "animo" and "amino". And heck, "ammonia" to go nicely with "anomie"
JPS probably wrote all that when he was a sullen teenager, wearing all black, black eyeliner, listened to Joy Division.
And this was before WWII
@M.A.R. if you mispronounce anomie
anemone works
and anonymity
Amamon seems to be a proper noun
No wait, Amimon
17:58
If your parents are hippies, sure
It's a company name
Also 'anime'
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I was thinking... I'm a hypocrite.
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@Mitch Hippies are cool, no?
@Ghalib too cool for school.
@Ghalib how so?
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17:59
I ended school yesterday.
cool to the point of dropping out of school, being counterculture, not settling for traditional lifestyle.
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Now, that makes sense.
A hippie (or hippy) is a member of a counterculture, originally a youth movement that started in the United States and the United Kingdom during the mid-1960s and spread to other countries around the world. The word hippie came from hipster and was initially used to describe beatniks who had moved into New York City's Greenwich Village and San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district. The term hippie was first popularized in San Francisco by Herb Caen, who was a journalist for the San Francisco Chronicle. The origins of the terms hip and hep are uncertain. By the 1940s, both had become part of African...
@Mitch oh, that's an apt reference to "cool"'s etymology
I don't know what they're called in Europe in European languages
18:02
Probably ровдыж
Probably not.
Ever tried to type in a language you don't know, in hopes of typing a meaningful sentence?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: He contradicts himself "on the regular" by Fritz Lessig on english.SE
@SmokeDetector F but what the heck, doesn't seem to answer the question.
Oh, forgot the commands don't work here
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18:19
@Mitch Do you know about B1, B2, C1, C2 etc. levels of English proficiency? I don't know how to evaluate myself. I am different in writing and I am different in spoken English.
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Well, I don't care about those levels as long as people can understand what I am saying. But I was visiting a site where I had to tag myself with one of those levels.
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So I haven't tagged myself yet.
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Still thinking.
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It says you are B2 if you can show visitors around and give a detailed description of a place.
@Ghalib wouldn't there be reliable-fish online tests or something for free that tell you where you stand?
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18:21
And C1 if you can deal with hostile questioning confidently. can get and hold onto your turn to speak.
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Yeah probably.
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I mean I guess I will pass the C1 in writing.
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Anyone can interrogate me in a hostile way in English. I can pass that.
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But in spoken I will probably fail.
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Because in spoken I'm like "Uh..." "Er..." "Like..." I take some time to think.
18:26
I think everyone's like that
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I guess, yeah.
Fillers and catch phrases are everyone's thing
Not everyone is demosthenes :)
18:53
@M.A.R. هرگز
@Ghalib I've heard of them
@M.A.R. Ever tried to give orders to an infinite number of monkeys?
@Ghalib That's only B2? Is C1 giving an academic talk on Shakespeare?
@M.A.R. I don't need a test for that. Except I'm sitting. If it weren't for that it'd be dead on.
@M.A.R. I don't think demosthenes was demosthenes. He was self-aggrandizing pretty good though.
@MetaEd How about a lot? Is a lot enough?
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@Mitch C1 if you can deal with hostile questioning confidently. can get and hold onto your turn to speak.
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But you can define it in other terms too I am sure
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It is not like something etched in stone.
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18:59
I guess
@Mitch argh, that's because there's no language you can't speak
Except perhaps some of those weird Guinean languages
@MetaEd only when I have a bunch of bananas
@Ghalib where did you get that list? I'm aware of the A1,A2...C2 grading, but their official explanations don't tell you informally really what you can do.
Hey, the monkeys loving bananas is an urban legend. They really just like avocados.
@M.A.R. Ama m ezigbo!
@Mitch aka m ezigbo your face
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19:06
@Mitch Ama what what what?
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I don't understand.
@Mitch Depends on your lifespan.
@M.A.R. imagines an infinite number of monkeys fighting over one bunch of bananas
@Mitch arms akimbo
@MetaEd divide and conquer
who knows if that is right.
well, some Nigerians presumably
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19:10
Okay. I didn't know there was a language called Igbo.
@MetaEd an infinite number of monkeys would just look pitch black
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Next time I get that Nigerian Prince email I will probably ask them which language they speak.
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I'm just kidding. I use pretty good filters.
Or pitch colorful, if it's those weird animals that are still called monkeys
@Ghalib Papua Guinea hosts some 800 languages IIRC. It's like every tribe has its own language there
Most of them don't even have writing systems
In comparison, there are some 6000 languages in the whole world. It's probably less now, because that's old stats
19:26
We should make some up to make up the difference
bleep bloop bleep
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A friend once introduced me to conlang. They were creating a language. I ran away.
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It was boring as fuck for me.
@Ghalib It's pretty dumb
19:59
What is the name of the part that is longer in boots?
> Boots have longer . . . . . . than regular shoes.
@M.A.R. Or maybe blindingly white.
@Færd uppers, probably. But on certain types of boot that part has a separate name: the shaft.
21:07
@MetaEd Thanks. Yeah, I guess shaft is what I was after.
Uppers seem to be something else.
 
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@Færd That's what she s— oops sorry.
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