Which one is correct?

The second.

thx

Hello

now it's 10:43 am and the tempurature is 37C and the news say that will be raise up to 55C lol

:O

How's the humidity?

@LasVegasRaiders google.tn/#q=tunisia+temperature

23%

I see.

@Sayros on the plus side, you can fry eggs without wasting any gas or electricity

lol yes ocassionaly

I just deja vu'd

I think I told the same thing to Damkerng the other day

humm

now its 40 C ...

lol

it's going to raise

@M.A.R. What do you mean "the other day"? He's all but vanished into thin air for the last couple months.

@Færd what else should I have said? It's literally the other day

Maybe should've said "once upon a time"

I just wanted to know if you'd contacted him recently.

The other day means in the recent past, don't it?

Whatever.

@Færd I wish

> ?He has vanished for the last couple month.

There's something wrong with this. I feel like for needs the perfect progressive (or a perfect progressive kind of meaning) which it doesn't get from vanished.

@Færd I tend to agree.

Porsche 9/11.

@RegDwigнt looks a bit stuffed

I wanna eat it.

Congratulations, you just passed the US immigration test.

@trand It is incorrect, as you say.

Probably sloppiness.

so there is no such shortened way of using "as" to explain a reason?

You need "it is".

@trand Well, apparently someone would write it like that.

But it is generally considered wrong.

is the meaning/usage of "as" different from in "as explained above"?

As in the sense "because, as you know, ..." must introduce a full clause, with a subject and a finite verb ("it is").

As x in the sense "such as x" or "in the capacity of x" or "with the property of x" can be used without a (full) clause.

> You cannot buy alcohol here as it is forbidden by law = because, as you know, it is forbidden by law → (fine)

> You cannot buy alcohol here as forbidden by law = you cannot buy alcohol here with the property 'forbidden by law' → (this doesn't make sense)

> I don't like my mother as a teacher = I don't like my mother in the capacity of a teacher → (fine)

thank you. it was a brilliant explanation :D

> Alcohol was condemned as evil = alcohol was condemned in the capacity of (being) evil → (fine)

So as + adjective (without a full clause) usually requires a special verb—a verb that is strongly connected with as, such as condemn as.

I've edited my question on Antonyms be distinct from the marked duplicate. Can it be reopened?

@StevenVascellaro Doesn't the dupe answer you? Yes, they are different and therefore yes, the definition is incorrect.

Good whatever it is where you are, people of this chat!

@Zachiel Good morning, UGT

I'm a little bit worried about this translator we hired at my office but I fear I'm not qualified to evaluate him. Would asking you about grammar be a good idea, or should I try to turn my doubts into questions?

@Zachiel nah, it's always fine to discuss grammar in this chat, unless you ask us to proofread an essay o.o

And your English sounds perfect

Nay, no essay here. Just some things that upset me and I have no idea if it's just that I'm not familiar with some exception. Like, I know sometimes adjectives get placed after the noun (for example when talking about... "issues mentioned by someone else", and sometimes the solution might... "be clear from the sentences shown"). But "press OK to confirm the program estabilished" just sounds wrong to me.

Well you're right

See, adjectives, AFAIK, can appear in four different places in a sentence

before a noun, after a verb, after a noun (like in my italicized examples above), and?

The ones commonly taught are attributive ("a funny guy") and predicative ("An apple is red")

The one after a noun is postpositive

There's also the predeterminer position

BUT

Yeah, about those first three I read earlier today. I'm just bad at remembering the technical jargon.

Not all of the four slots are open to all adjectives

I am alive

But it's wrong to say "alive person"

It's a matter of usage which adjectives can appear where

Well, that's a privative a. It has an equivalent word without the a that can work as attributive. A living person.

@Zachiel exactly

I have done my homeworks before getting here (and home, I tend to avoid the chat when I'm at the workplace.)

Now, I do agree that a postpositive "established" sounds a bit weird

But it's not ungrammatical

What is it supposed to mean?

I mean, I'd outright omit it

@Zachiel and I'm just humming mine :)

@Zachiel what does "established" signify? If it's nothing important, I see no reason to use it

Especially in the context of a message, where we need to be concise

It's about programming an electronical device. And then you need to exit menus until you get asked "do you want to save?" - so you get asked to confirm the operations you've (previously) performed.

I also think it should be programming and not program, by the way.

We have a programming menu, which is, a menu called "programming". But this guy calls it "the program menu"

So "press OK to confirm programming operations"?

And I don't really want to nitpick too much, but I care about the final product not being a laughable attempt at selling ourselves to the international market.

I'm thinking the translator just wanted to use "established" so badly

@Zachiel so what does the confirmation do? Perform some operations?

Save options, or?

@M.A.R. I think it comes from thow the original voiceover was, but my languange uses that sort of superfluous word a lot, especially if the speaker is trying to sound professional.

So you're not saving the programming, you're confirming the previously estabilished programming.

@Zachiel Well, Englishmen don't :/

@Zachiel still, isn't it "saving the changes"?

I mean, 'tried-and-true' messages work best

@M.A.R. You first enter some submenus, have the device send some signals, make sure the signals have been sent, estabilish a connection with another device... then you can go on acquiring more devices like this, then in the end you get asked to save the whole network configuration.

Tomorrow when I'm going to be at my desk again I'll try the easiest option to see if it works with the flow.

So why not use "press OK to save the network configuration"? ". . . the program established" is vague

It usually goes just like "press OK/confirm VERB + NOUN" where the noun is just what you did

I would need to check the original text in my language. I suppose it has something to do with the thing being "press cancel until you get asked if you want to save the existing configuration" (and maybe with the writing that is shown on the display of the device, which might as well be "press OK to confirm".

@Zachiel the "until" sounds off. I'd use a wording with "if"

"Press cancel if you wish to abort changes/continue with the existing config"

@M.A.R. ah, no. You see, it is several queued menus, you press ok to enter the next one, or cancel to skip it and be presented the following one. So you actually keep pressing cancel until there are no more menus and you get asked to save or not.

@Zachiel So it's one OK and cancel for each menu?

Yes.

Alright, I gotta head to bed. Other chatters might come by and help further.

@M.A.R. Ah, don't worry, you've been useful enough.

But I'm thinking you could use "press cancel if you don't wish to change any of [whatever technical word thingy you use for the menu content]" under each menu and then explain that there will be no changes in the final prompt

I mean, saying under each menu what they need to do in the end not to have changed anything is a bit redundant

It's a bit more complex than than, but I won't get into technical details here.

Well, I'm the least programmer-y person among this chat's regulars. So others would be of much more help

I REALLY should sleep now o.o

@M.A.R. Go! And thanks!

@Ghalib Yes, that's a very entertaining movie.

Quick trivia question...oh forget it, I'll give you the trivia: Richard Attenborough is in The Great Escape and Jurassic Park.

The problem is actually "He has vanished" with a time after it. It is implicit in "He has vanished" that the vanishing just happened recently.

@Ghalib I don't think it is in any critic's top 100 list so I'm wondering what they don't care for (I don't think the acting is that great), but it surely is exciting, thinking of yourself in any of those positions. And it is realistic in the sense that of the many characters escaping, only 3 make it out alive in the movie (which is the same as the book).

Oh..one clunker in that movie...James Coburn's Australian accent. Probably got accent tips from Dick Van Dyke doing a Cockney accent around the same time.

> “I love the smell of _______ in the morning.”

No, it's just one word.

It's a cultural reference, actually.

The original was "napalm".

@Ghalib Isn't that how all stories work? Usually it is the point of the author that you identify with the protagonist. If multiple protagonists though I guess you don't necessarily pick just one, just what you identify at anyone moment.

@Ghalib How about Thursday? I'm booked until then.

Anna Karenina is probably hard. Maybe OK (I have no idea) to identify if you're female? Count Vronsky seems like a jerk so no. Also, full disclosure, never read it or seen the movie.

@Mitch Yeah. Thanks.

@Ghalib Yeah, and I'm saying I just can't do it right now. Too much on my plate. OK, Thursday is already filled up. Maybe next week?

Actually he has no say or call in it.

@Ghalib It's usually supposed to be coffee (or maybe that is coffee advertisements from my childhood telling me). But then the Apocalypse Now quote became a cynical quote about the insanity of war. But seems not to have ruined coffee for anyone

@Ghalib argh...I worried you might misunderstand. No, I meant "If some reader were female, I wonder if they would identify with Anna Karenina."

Because totally they do with Jane Austen's heroes.

And since what brought all this up was GWTW, I think lots of women in the South of the US identify with Scarlett, despite her being a pretty despicable character (without directly killing someone by her own hands, even though by her solipsism is indirectly responsible for at least 1)

A with is needed then.

> Maybe OK (I have no idea) to identify with if you're female?

To prevent the misunderstanding.

@Færd Yes. You're really supposed to fill in the gaps as a matter of course.

I can't be expected to do all the work here.

@Ghalib Yes. There are very pressing needs in English reform. a singlar 'you', an informal 3rd-person person...

'one' is too weird or formal sounding, even though it fits most of the criteria

@Mitch So leave some space where there's supposed to be a gap and leave the rest to the other one.

@Færd What fun would that be? I have to leave some puzzle to figure out.

It'll be equivocal then.

"exactly the same": two words, 6 letters and 4 letters, starting with C

Issue some disclaimer then. Like your interlocutor has to presume innocuous intent on your part.

I thought that was a weird clue because how can those two words be exactly the same if they have different numbers of letters.

@Færd Oh. Well, that wlll be impossible. I can't guarantee innocuosity.

Ah. It's a lost game.

@Mitch Had me thinking. Do you have the answer?

@Ghalib It sounds too formal even in writing. It usually works fine, but there's that formality that sticks out.

@Færd It was an ELU question recently. Carbon Copy.

Oh.

@Ghalib There are other fixes needs. Like its almost always impossible in speech to tell the difference between X-teen and X-ty. In deliberate speech they seem very distinct in stress, but when people say one of them normally, you almost always have to respond "Was that fifTEEN or FIFty?"

Teens and ties.

It's such a common thing and so very important information transfer that you'd think extra error correction would go on. But no. still you almost always have to ask.

@Ghalib exact same situation? teens vs tens?

@Ghalib What's your native language?

Ordu?

First letter is T.

@Ghalib I don't think guys don't like it, but it's just that women seem to really love it.

Turdu?

Tinglish?

Telegu?

I love the smell of T______ in the morning.

@Ghalib Ah, OK. I automatically wrote it the way I pronounce it.

Tacos?

Tea.

Tuna?

@Ghalib Cool.

(Pop) Tarts?

Trump!

@Ghalib Oh. my teens/tens confusion is very specific and I now other people have it. I thought you were thinking of something very specific too. Sure in general things sometimes are hard to understand, but I was trying to think of very specific situations that call for a change specific to that situation. Do you know of any in your own language? specifically do tens and teens get confused (most likely not 12 and 20)?

@Ghalib How much shared vocab do we have? Do you rely solely on that when reading Farsi?

Tobacco?

Yeah, I know that.

Give me some Urdu so I see if I can decipher.

Start from easy.

@Mitch reason

Ah.

What is "nice to meet you" in Urdu?

@Ghalib Well, thanks to the shared alphabet.

Your ی s look different though, I guess.

Toilet?

Ah I see.

Same as Iran. Although hugging everyone is catching on in Tehran.

Give me something in Urdu then.

How do you say how are you, how's it going?

We do triple kisses.

Heh, haven't been kissed for times myself.

At on occasion I mean, obviously.

Hmm. So you go till you're pleased. That's cool too.

Which cheek do you start with?

@Færd very french

@Færd also here (US)

@Mitch That takes too long. Imagine getting in a party and French kissing everyone three times. Urgh.

@Ghalib Yeah, no problem.

Me neither. Just occurred to me.

And we start from the right cheek, now that I think about it.

@Færd haha no. French kissing is very different from ... how the french greet each other by kissing.

Yeah I thought you meant something else. :)

You guys sound like you should get a room.

So do they start from right too? I have an appointment with a French girl this week. Don't want to embarrass myself.

@tchrist This is not good enough a room?

averts eyes

We can start private rooms on SE chat too, I guess.

I'm making a risqué jest.

And I'm feigning innocece.

Lord love an ingénu.

@Færd you don't cheek kiss people you don't know in France

Makes sense.

@Ghalib ?? Which message of mine are you referring to?

@Ghalib 1 - NewYorker cartoons are often subtle to the point of incomprehensible.

2 - this one was subtle but makes sense in a weird logical/illogical way

Business people are always making meetings, updating their calendar, crossing things off, opening up, filling in with new meetings.

So they're always saying things like "my schedule is full tomorrow. How about sometime next Thursday afternoon?"

The joke in the carton is that he's picking a time, and that time is 'never' meaning not just far in the future, but let's schedule to not have a meeting at all.

@Ghalib OK, but I don't get how that makes sense. How can we be back to it when we stopped talking about it along time ago? "We are back to talking about..." means I would have just mentioned it again after a time of not talking about it, and I had not just mentioned it.

@Ghalib Oh, that's a simple explanation. I was playing off of Apocalypse Now, in that I can't do the end of the world right now, can we reschedule that sometime later, like maybe next week?

A long, long time ago. I can still remember when that music used to make me smile.

I made some google translate poetry: