English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user227867

01:04

@Færd Just be more careful before pouncing.

Færd

02:42

@JasperLoy Why, was it a careless move? I just tried it out and went back to normal.

Færd

03:35

@suməlic Just include infavorites:mine in your search terms! There are lots of other tips here.

Tonepoet

04:06

@tchrist My suggestion is to use closed:yes when searching English Language S.E. websites, and reserve closed:1 for Mathematics S.E. websites. Otherwise, you're going to have to tell us what sort of suggestions you seek with more specificity.

suməlic

@Færd Thanks!

user227867

06:58

Now I am waiting for my Oxford bible, Oxford quran, and Oxford dictionary to arrive, lol @Tonepoet

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Won't you just eventually have to replace them with "New" versions anyway? ;-)

user227867

@Tonepoet Hehe, by the way, that smiley you just used scares me, because someone who abused me severely in the past likes to use it all the time.

Tonepoet

Ah...

user227867

It seems that Microsoft offers security updates for its WIndows and Office for ten years.

user227867

Five years mainstream support and another five years extended support.

user227867

07:03

But even after it ends, you still can use it for a while, as long as you don't do dangerous things with your computer.

user227867

So I think ten years is a good time to change your laptop with fresh software versions.

Tonepoet

I dislike computer-operating-system expiration because that makes all of the software that ran on those systems expire too. It's especially tragic because a good old game is something of an artform...

user227867

By the way, a complete TeX Live installation can take up to 5 GB disk space.

user227867

@Tonepoet It's time to get a New Game then =P

user227867

Microsoft says Windows 10 takes 20 GB and Office 2016 takes 3 GB disk space.

user227867

07:08

I was reading up on eMMC, SSD, and HDD differences just now.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Sure... Let's just replace everything old with something newer! =P

user227867

@Tonepoet Is that your portrait? =P

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Maybe.

user227867

@Tonepoet It does look like Alice in Wonderland =P

user227867

I now have 29 math books. Waiting for 1 more to be published next year, and that would complete my basic collection.

user227867

07:13

I have been waiting for this book for many years. The first edition was published in 1997, and the past few years, I was expecting the second edition, and it seems finally next year it would be out.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Well, whether it's in Wonderland or not, it can't be Alice in Wonderland because Moaner is not Alice.

user227867

@Tonepoet Moaner? ROFLMAO

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Yep, the Moaner Nissan. It's a terrible car.

user227867

These 30 math books don't even cover all the main topics in math, which shows how huge the subject really is. Indeed, there is much to be done after long division. =P

user227867

@Tonepoet By the way, do you drive? I don't.

Tonepoet

07:16

I'd rather not say.

user227867

Ah, very secretive... I often wonder why you are so secretive...

user227867

Well, I don't have money to buy a car, and I don't need a car to move around in Antarctica.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer: Asking for feedback on a meeting summary by FDDFGDFGFDS on english.stackexchange.com

user227867

There are literally trains everywhere here in Antarctica!

user227867

I recommend everyone watch Love Everlasting (2016), such a beautiful movie...

Tonepoet

07:20

@JasperLoy I guess you had to establish a method of transportation other than invincible sinkers.

user227867

@Tonepoet By the way, you got that email in which I disclosed my actual location, right?

Tonepoet

Yeah. I couldn't think of a response.

user227867

There is no need to respond =P

user227867

I am going out for a walk, bye!

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Bye bye.

Mitch

12:22

@JasperLoy What about an Oxford Talmud?

An Oxford Bhagavad Gita?

Cerberus

@Tonepoet Why would operating systems expire?

That's the beauty: you can continue to use whatever system you prefer until eternity.

Mitch

An Oxford Book of Common Prayer

@Cerberus A change is as good as a rest

Cerberus

Quoi?

Mitch

Rien.

C'n'est pas le cas de le dire

Arrowfar

hello Mitch and Cerbs!

Mitch

12:28

hey!

Arrowfar

you are early today.

My cold is killing me.

Mitch

for me, very early.

@Arrowfar that's a bad cold.

Arrowfar

yeah, I know.

cold makes me weak and miserable heh.

but I am happy, doing reading and other things.

I have three tabs open, one ELU chat, one reddit and one email.

Mitch

I have about a 100 tabs open because I open one to read something then forget about, hoping to read it later but often end up not.

reddit seems like it has interesting things, but do people tend to make small communities?

Arrowfar

@Mitch wow, nice. Doesn't it make your browser slow?

@Mitch yes, they do, all the time. I am only on a few sub sites that I like. There are many evil and bad sites there as well hah.

There are private communities too but I have never joined them. I can make my own sub site as well, everyone can. It is easy.

Mitch

12:42

@Arrowfar yes, I have to restart it every other day when you can see words type out key by key after 10 seconds.

tabs with plain old html or a PDF shouldn't affect speed (easily cached), but so many websites have lots of javascript and it's hard to figure which ones are the worst.

I've learned not to visit some websites or to kill them quickly after reading.

@Arrowfar it's fear of the bad ones that scare me away

Arrowfar

@Mitch So, speaking of languages do they teach Arabic in schools there like Spanish, French etc.? Just curious. I mean like if someone feel like taking Arabic instead of say Spanish or French in school? Although I know Spanish is useful in the US.

@Mitch Some dictionaries websites make my computer slow sometimes.

Due to ads yanno.

Mitch

@Arrowfar I would say almost never in high school. That requires a concentration of those speakers in the high schools district (leading to a desire by parents to get together to support such a program). And though the immigrant population of Arabic speakers (or more likely just Muslims for reading the Koran) is so spread out, that it is unlikely to have enough people in one spot.

Arrowfar

Ah, I see.

Mitch

But in large metro areas, there is very likely to be Arabic teaching for kids outside of school. like one class a week.

Mostly culturally based (like a one-day-a-week school for Pakistanis).

So for Pakistanis I can't remember if they teach Arabic too.

I can't say about Iranians...because those that I know aren't that religious or cultural, but maybe that's just the small selection I know.

Languages taught in US public (also private but not as much because usually much smaller) are: Spanish and French (French used to be more common, but Spanish obviously more useful). Then much less frequently depending on where in the US: Latin, Chinese, Italian, Japanese, German.

Parents always want Latin to be taught but the kids usually don't sign up again.

Arrowfar

Here we also have a trend towards learning German amongst youngsters because many good engineering colleges are there and people learn the language to get their admissions, work etc.

Mitch

12:57

On the other hand, almost all universities (medium to large) will have an Arabic language program. The US has a really good foreign presence, and graduate students from all over, and just by world population, Arabic is well represented in US universities.

Arrowfar

I see, cool.

Mitch

@Arrowfar Germany is a good place for foreigners to go to grad school (I don't know about undergrad).

Arrowfar

Yeah people do bachelors in Engineering here from a local university and then go their to get their Masters.

Mitch

@Arrowfar A big university will almost always have some Persian (but not to the extent of Arabic; sorry, it's just world population)

Arrowfar

A couple of my friends did that. I should have taken engineering too :/

They said it is the easy way and not very expensive either.

Mitch

13:00

@Arrowfar Master's in Germany is a good education

Arrowfar

They are both like me, I mean financially etc.

@Mitch nods - true.

Mitch

In US great too, but just travel is a pain

Arrowfar

haha

Mitch

Visa stuff probably just as difficult...well, Germany seems to be a little more accepting lately, I can't tell. International news nowadays is so ... weird, that it's hard to tell if it reflects reality by people trying to go through different visa situations.

Arrowfar

darn, sorry I wrote "their" instead of "there" above.

Mitch

13:04

@Arrowfar living in the US is not like the movies. it's not all starbucks and gucci all day long.

universities in the US are very livable but self contained. european universities are connected with the community (almost literally, they tend to be in the middle of the city).

@Arrowfar I can barely keep its and its separate.

Arrowfar

@Mitch Oh I know that. Movies feed lies. Well almost always heh.

@Mitch Well since I live in the real world I also know that if I moved to US like right now I would be flipping burgers for some time. I mean I have education but it is not compatible there, I will have to do courses etc. to adjust myself there. It is tough but not impossible. That's why I feel okay where I am (for now).

RegDwigнt

@Robusto FYI, that should be either ".... fragen, ob er ... mit dir sprechen wird" or "... bitten, ... mit dir zu sprechen". One is ask as in question, the other is ask as in solicit.

Mitch

@Arrowfar depends on what. Docs have to go through a residency program again for the US. Engineering most likely won't have to redo anything. plain old business degree...probably have to settle for less.

also cost of living is high in the US, and you absolutely need a car here which is another big hit to income not expected.

@Arrowfar as to acceptance by other people, despite the latest news and history, US and Germany are probably the most tolerant just walking around. Getting a job easier in the US than Germany.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt He's sleeping. Winter got here last night.

Mitch

But casual racism is worst in England. (there are big social rules against it in US/Germany)

RegDwigнt

13:18

@Robusto I can be less least biddable. For five easy rates of $3000.

@tchrist don't trivialize Trump by giving him cozy pet names like "Winter".

Mitch

@Arrowfar There are non trivial pakistani communities in all the big US cities, but UK beats all that by far

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Sorry for fimbuling that one.

Mitch

so despite the racism, there's a bigger support mechanism in UK

Arrowfar

@Mitch Oh I am doing UK's chartered accountancy: ACA/ACCA. In US the equivalent is CPA. I researched and found out that I will have to give like 5 papers and do some training to get the equivalent version but it is still tough. Only the best of the best here get the chance in UK so the rest move to middle east etc. Some go to US as well.

@Mitch Yes exactly compared to my country US is very expensive lol.

Not all states though.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch you absolutely must watch Punch Drunk Love.
It will make you reconsider your opinion of Adam Sandler for a whopping 95 minutes.

Mitch

13:21

@Arrowfar Oh... CPA seems like a good route. Not a crushing burden (like redoing an MD residency).

Arrowfar

I mean Cali, NY etc. are impossible for me heh. Of course lol.

RegDwigнt

imdb.com/title/tt0272338

What, no inline love for imdb?

Arrowfar

@Mitch yeah it is good.

RegDwigнt

Awww.

Mitch

@Arrowfar The states that aren't so expensive you don't want to go to (e.g. the South). They hide their casual racism very well there but behind your back they're the worst.

@RegDwigнt open a meta.SE question for it.

RegDwigнt

13:23

No. What is this, work?

Arrowfar

@Mitch Yeah like Mississippi. I would never go there. I know.

Mitch

@Arrowfar well, if you get a CPA job or start your own accounting practice, the income will be commensurate and it would be very good money for living here. But at the beginning it may be difficult.

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt how many Newton metres do you output at SE?

Arrowfar

nods - true.

RegDwigнt

@MattE.Эллен what is "metres"? And how does Newton differ from old ton?

What is this progress, I thought Britain was going back in time.

Matt E. Эллен

13:26

@RegDwigнt metres is how people who aren't American spell meters. That's just obvious.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt By definition. You're typing here during work hours on work machines. You'll have your wages garnished accordingly.

Matt E. Эллен

old tons are heavier

Mitch

Also authorities have been dispatched to your residence. Stay away from windows.

RegDwigнt

"You'll have your wages garnished accordingly"? I am too afraid to ask what the fuck that's a euphemism for.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен So Fernch

@RegDwigнt pussy grabbing

which is a euphemism for something I can't repeat here.

RegDwigнt

13:27

This Internet is an interesting thing, it seems...

Mitch

@RegDwigнt You know how when you have a pile of crap on your plate and it doesn't look as appetizing as a pile of crap with a little sprig of parsley? It's not like that at all.

RegDwigнt

You can grab anything on zombo.com. Anything at all. The only limitation is you.

Mitch

visits zombo

returns from zombo with a funny rash

RegDwigнt

The ungrabbable is unknown at zombo.com.

Matt E. Эллен

grabs zombocom

Mitch

13:30

Zombo must feel violated now

RegDwigнt

Data & Picard | Pogo

►

This is the best thing ever.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch they can feel unviolated at zombocom

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен you almost never want to leave

like here. BIAM

tchrist

I smell an asymptote.

Matt E. Эллен

what does it smell like?

tchrist

13:45

> Questions Closed: 65 Questions Asked: 67 Close percentage: 97.01 %

To a close line.

Not a clothes line.

Matt E. Эллен

it smells close to a line? but not a clothes line... a fishing line?

tchrist

Like something that gets stuck in your knows.

0

Q: The usage of “instead” close to verb

Can anyone tell me the meaning of the sentence below including “instead”? If he is unable to return the merchandise, he may instead attempt to return the merchandise. Is this sentence meaning that he doesn’t need to attempt to return anymore? Is the position of “instead” right?

grammar

So close and yet so far.

Robusto

14:26

@RegDwigнt Your rates have come down.

@RegDwigнt That's nothing but a ST:TNG rickroll.

Matt E. Эллен

15:08

Millions of dollars in engineering has led us to this point... https://t.co/L8J9KntUZt

Tweeted by Zaninel on November 17, 2016 at 2:45 AM

user227867

@Cerberus Are you still using XP now, by the way?

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Hello, you must be getting married to Maria soon, lol.

Matt E. Эллен

not as far as I know

user227867

I went to the PC show today at a big exhibition hall. Computers are selling like hotcakes.

user227867

Prices keep getting slashed. Loud voices all around like at an auction.

Matt E. Эллен

15:18

sounds like fun

user227867

Today, I got a new watch for myself. Guess what colour it is?

user227867

Well, it is BLUE.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Yes!

user227867

@Cerberus Good good. It lasts forever, like you in Hades!

Cerberus

Well, I intend to switch to Windows 7 or 10 after I have built my new computer.

Which should happen this year.

But I'm a procrastinator...

With Windows 7, I'll be only two versions behind!

Færd

15:50

Is it always the customer/client that settles (= pays) the bill? I just heard a service provider talk about settling the bill (= receiving the payment).

I think settle is neutral enough to accommodate both.

Dan Bron

16:12

@tchrist Is this SGML OED dump you mention available gratis? Or any other well-structured dictionary dump? I want to play around a bit...

Mitch

16:37

@JasperLoy I'd rather just have hotcakes

@DanBron actually, yeah, that'd be nice to have in general

user227867

17:03

Hello @Kit lol.

Kit Z. Fox

Hello @JasperLoy.

Arrowfar

Howdy @KitZ.Fox @JasperLoy! How goes it? :-)

Kit Z. Fox

It goes. And yourself?

user227867

@Arrowfar It goes, which is what Kit once said when you asked it.

user227867

Jinx.

user227867

17:05

ROFLMAO

Arrowfar

@KitZ.Fox Yes I am fine, thanks.

@JasperLoy Hah!

user227867

Just looking at my blue watch makes me feel better already. I certainly chose the right colour.

Arrowfar

@JasperLoy Oh man, you remember like everything from chats. It's scary ;)

Just kidding.

user227867

@Arrowfar Yes, I even remember what people said to me twenty years ago.

Arrowfar

Nice.

Me too. I just filter many things.

user227867

17:07

Usually, these are the bad things that you remember for life.

Arrowfar

Otherwise I would um go crazy heh.

Kit Z. Fox

New watch? Sweet!

Arrowfar

@JasperLoy yeah. nods.

user227867

@KitZ.Fox So, how is the writing this month? Your word counter on your blog seems to have gotten stuck at very few words...

Kit Z. Fox

I have not been writing. I'm not producing a novel this year.

user227867

17:09

Ah, OK. It's OK not to want to meet the target every year.

user227867

I think you should just write whenever and whatever you feel like.

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah, it would be nice to keep up the streak, but there's always next year.

user227867

There's no fear of 'publish or perish' in academia.

user227867

The thing about books from bookdepository.com is that they often come shrink wrapped in plastic, very nice. Often the printing is crispier too, when compared to amazon.com.

user227867

And each delivery comes with a free bookmark! But I throw it away almost immediately.

Arrowfar

17:11

@KitZ.Fox What's the novel about? You mean that NaNoWriMo writing that you do?

user227867

They get people to design different bookmarks, so each time I get a different one.

Arrowfar

I wonder if bookdepository.com delivers in my country.

user227867

So many touchscreen laptops these days.

Kit Z. Fox

@Arrowfar It was going to be a collection of short stories this year. Yes, for NaNoWriMo.

Arrowfar

Cool!

user227867

17:13

@Arrowfar I think they do. Yours is a major country not torn by war, so there is no problem.

Arrowfar

Heh yeah.

user227867

Free delivery worldwide, even for a one dollar book, you know.

Arrowfar

It is not torn by war but still I get depressed here sometimes heh.

Maybe it is the weather.

Summers are very tough here.

user227867

It's OK to be depressed.

Arrowfar

:)

user227867

17:15

And I don't think it's got to do with chemicals. I still think the chemicals theory is bull.

user227867

Find something to cheer you up and motivate you.

user227867

Take long walks, or long jogs, or long runs. For obese people like me, walking is good, lol.

user227867

I am not exactly obese, but I am compared to a decade ago, when I was a hunk, lol.

Arrowfar

:)

user227867

Well well, I just need to take a few long runs and I will be a hunk again soon, lol.

user227867

17:18

The good thing about weight gain or loss is that it is reversible in both directions.

Arrowfar

So I am not obese at all, I am average. I used to be very thin when I was like 16 years old.

I have SE and reddit to cheer me up. I love to run. Running is fun.

See ya.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox Novels are old news

Kit Z. Fox

haha

Mitch

hahaha

Even twitter streams as a novelization technique are old news.

Kit Z. Fox

were they called "novels" because it was a new kind of art/communication? I never thought to wonder about it.

Mitch

17:24

I'm still stuck in post-modernism, and even that is old now. What is next?

@KitZ.Fox In my other life as a literary expert...

...I would have failed miserably. I can barely think two words together.

I'm mostly just translating from inner grunts.

That last one was very literal

or grunteral

@KitZ.Fox It had to be.

Kit Z. Fox

grunts

I'm taking a nap. bbl

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox How dare you.

Arrowfar

Sia sings well. I like some of her songs.

@KitZ.Fox Can you take a nap in an office? Oops, sorry for the ping if you went to sleep already.

Matt E. Эллен

17:41

@Mitch post-futurism

tchrist

@DanBron Not in the commonly accepted senses of available gratis, no, only in the uncommon ones. :)

Kit Z. Fox

17:57

@Arrowfar Yes, but I'm remote today anyway.

tchrist

NEEDS MOAR LOVE:

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A: "You hear but you don't listen" or "You listen but you don't hear"?

The semantic parallelism between the various kinds of Sense Verbs is usually unnoticeable lexically in the chemical and tactile senses; these sentences all use the same verb in each construction: She tasted/smelled/felt it on purpose. (Volitional agent subject) He tasted/smelled/felt it by acc...

user227867