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16:00
@JSBᾶngs Well there's no question about that actually.
Pfft. That poem question asker you were just talking about? We just got that fellow asking on Gaming about poems too
@JSBᾶngs Nothing like marriage for taking the governor off that particular throttle. My wife was pregnant three months after we were married.
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_flaps"
@GraceNote Yeah, I flagged the sucker. It's just a horrible question for this or any site. Feels like trolling to me.
@MetaEd too scared to actually make that link live?
16:01
Huh? No, the reason is that it's a redirect to "Labia". It's funnier this way.
@Robusto I'm pretty convinced the one on Gaming has absolutely nothing to do with Gaming.
@GraceNote In any case, it doesn't sound like that game would be much fun.
Unfortunately, I'm not personally able to track down this user across the network to see the extent of how far this asker is spreading.
@Robusto i'll take it you haven't played the game the OP is asking about
@JSBᾶngs Not into pain or humiliation, no. I think pleasure should be pleasurable.
16:05
wow, piss-flaps. Not a word I expected to read today.
btw, Hi @GraceNote long time no see
Hi Mr Shiny & New. It has indeed been a while.
@Robusto eh? i didn't read the gaming question (and can't find it now -- deleted?) so i assumed it was basically similar to the ELU q
@JSBᾶngs It was "What game did this poem come from?" and links to the same poem.
16:18
Hello everybody
How are you?
Why you feel frustrated?
I'm finding some low-quality code that I thought had been eviscerated years ago but instead lives on.
16:23
Are you a programmer?
I also feel frustrated when I found bad-code.
Sometime I found the code was written by me, lol.
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Q: In this poem is the correct English cunt hairy or cunt-hairy

anneIn this poem is the correct English cunt hairy or cunt-hairy http://www.scribd.com/doc/73832578/Is-your-Cunt-Hairy-erotic-poetry

So, um. Someone wants to get suspended or what.
At this point it's just spam, is it not.
is this the same troll as the other piss-flap troll?
Aye, captain.
This, too:
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Q: What do you think of these "Variations on sonnets of Shakespeare"

anneWhat do you think of these "Variations on sonnets of Shakespeare" http://www.scribd.com/doc/33056309/Variations-on-sonnets-of-Shakespeare-erotic-poetry

16:29
I think it's strange, why they don't post the text in the question.
Because that's not how spamming works?
@JSBᾶngs Huh?? Well, too bad we can't inquire after the details...
Hey what do you think of this?:
@Cerberus Too much work. I'll pass.
Linguistics and prescriptivism, sounds almost too good to be true.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Aww but we'd make a perfect team!
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes, absolutely. Delete with extreme prejudice, if you please.
16:31
@Cerberus I can cööördinate your PhD writing from right here where I sit.
Really?
@RegDwightѬſ道 That's not writing, that's typing.
How will you do it?
@Cerberus What does "too good to be true" mean?
@Robusto Nah it's me who's typing, but him'd be actually writing.
16:33
@Anonymous Hi! It means that a certain thing appears to be so good that it must be false, misleading, a lie.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Pen and ink!
@Cerberus Thank you :)
@Cerberus carrot and stick. Not necessarily in this order.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Hmm...but could you deal with the prescriptivism?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 i've been doing that all week
@Cerberus Well, we manage to put up with YOU...
16:34
@Cerberus Look, I've got a carrot. And a stick.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 But barely...
@RegDwightѬſ道 My prescriptivist antennae are all grey and inactive. You've got to come up with something more stimulating.
@Reg levelled up, got a bar, jj or destroying birds?
No stimulating Cerberus in chat.
@Cerberus Should I shrug or yawn?
@Vitaly Hold on, I'll check.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Use the subjunctive incorrectly, perhaps?
Jump through a hoop?
16:37
@Vitaly get us to 2.5k vs the birds.
Am I needed or will the war fight itself?
@Cerberus check back in two hours.
OK.
By "I" I mean "a couple more losses", of course.
Whence my "hold it off".
16:39
Oh, you're a smooth talker!
What kind of nonsense is that.
Now you're trying to distract me.
I am a smooth walker, but when I talk it's like Newt Gingrich eating a muslim.
By the way @Vitaly, I have found (.xml) files of major Greek and Latin dictionaries!
Did you have to dig deep?
16:40
@RegDwightѬſ道 Like crushing bones?
@Cerberus — Ohhh, nice! I suppose you already know how to convert them.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Done. 20 stam left.
@Cerberus That is cool.
@Vitaly I was tahinking about that. But, see there is this program called Diogenes, which is a rather brilliant interface for these files.
@Mahnax Thanks!
16:42
@Vitaly I have about 50 myself. Will spend in about fifteen minutes, before commute. Probably on birds. Still 4 hours to go, that's a lot.
@Cerberus How long did it take you to find those?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Aww cute.
I was ten pounds.
Me too!
@Mahnax It was serendipity.
@Cerberus Ah, convenient!
16:44
I was looking for the CD version of the Latin corpus of the Packard Humanities institute, which is actually pretty brilliant too (somehow it is not well known in Europe: my professor had only heard of it recently too).
@Cerberus — But can you customise Diogenes that well? (And re-program it, if you happen to know a real programming language.)
@Vitaly I've only been playing with it for five minutes or so—probably not!
But it already is near perfect for these dictionaries, so far as I can see.
It is meant as a corpus-research interface.
Oh, Liddell and Scott?
@Cerberus And that was just your head, right?
Yes, and Lewis & Short.
And the entire Thesaurus Linguae Graecae runs on it, and the Packard Latin corpus.
And more.
@Robusto *heads
16:50
@Cerberus So ... 30 pounds then? All told?
Nope, 10 pounds for the whole.
@Robusto By the way, did tell once mean "count" as in Dutch and German?
Yes. tell 8. To name or number one by one; count:
I suddenly realized that all told, while an idiomatic phrase, deviates from the regular sense.
Ah OK!
Probably it's related to toll.
16:53
Which is German for "crazy".
Also, the word the Germans use when they make fun of the Dutch.
Because the Dutch can't palatize the L.
But when a German says toll it sounds to an American closer to tall, and the Dutch are reportedly the tallest human beings in the world, on average. Except for the three-headed dogs, that is.
They have to be that tall, lest they never glimpse above sea level.
Aye, more proof of evolution.
As if it needed more proof.
I knew you were going to say that.
16:56
Put your knowledge in a pipe and eat it.
I almost preempted you, but decided to let you have your little triumph.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh, yes, and till!
@RegDwightѬſ道 You always say the nicest things
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I never not say the not nicest.
@Robusto Ah yes, most probably!
16:57
@Cerberus Wait, what does plate have to do with counting?
^ Bilingual pun.
@Robusto my triumphs are never little. For the most part they are ginourmous at least.
@RegDwightѬſ道 And we make fun of Germans by palatizing the l's. We even make fun of the Queen. Incidentally, in old-fashioned Dutch, l is sometimes palatized. I might do it in heel leuk, where most people wouldn't.
@RegDwightѬſ道 You misspelled infinitesimal. Or vagina. I can't remember which.
@Robusto hey you had to explain it. That means it was sophisticated.
Congratulations, Robusto, on a sophisticated joke!
@Robusto I'm tall! Look who's tallking.
16:59
@RegDwightѬſ道 I just tell it like it is.
@Robusto You can't remember which vagina what?
@RegDwightѬſ道 Haha that must be it, natural selection!
@Cerberus You're toking, not tallking.
@Robusto at least I'm not Tolkein, unlike MrShinyandNew right there.
@Robusto Ehhh sorry, I have degenerated into slowness again (got only 3.5 hours of sleep).
17:01
♪ Count it like it i-iiis... ♪
Count me out! Mahlzeit!
@Cerberus in dog years, that's over 9000!
@Robusto Graf Zahl!
Oh and I gotta run, too. Laters.
Oh good heavens, that user was continuing?
Gotta go, my friend called that we really need to go stand on the canals or it won't be possible any more for years to come, etc.
Bye Cerb!
17:09
Later
Oh, and hi there, Grace Note.
Hi Mahnax
18:08
Back!
The ice was good and firm.
Though there were holes under most bridges.
People were walking and skating and playing music, some had heating on the boats, it is quite nice.
Sounds excellent :)
Is the river frozen over in Oxford?
Is it the Thames?
Wait... you wanted to stand on the canals, because it usually doesn't get cold enough for them to freeze? Is that it?
Yup!
18:16
@Cerberus I don't know. probably not. the pond in the carpark is
And here we're having the warmest winter I can ever remember.
Is that strange?
I will have to check tomorrow to see if the river is frozen
@MattЭллен Heh, almost as good.
In Ottawa the Rideau Canal freezes every year, it's a major tourist attraction filled with skaters, food vendors, etc.
Although it might not be frozen this year.
18:17
there is the Thames, but in Oxford I think it's called the Isis
@MattЭллен Probably not, if you've had less freezing than we have, and boats navigate larger rivers.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, that's nice. In Russia, I hear they have semi-permanent highways on the ice half the year.
The Amstel is partly frozen, but not where the boats pass (in the middle).
I see. most of the tributaries here are wide
so I guess they'll be fine
It looks like it's partly frozen right now so it might be open for skating.
18:20
So how come:
1. She made him a good husband.
2. She made him a good wife.
3. She made him a teddy bear.
are so different?
@Vitaly Because the verb make is used in so many idiomatic ways.
because you're astupidhead
Although I'm not sure I would use 2.
1. She made him [into] a good husband
2. She made [of herself, for] him a good wife
3. She made [for] him a teddy bear
18:22
I'd rather say "she made a good wife" or "she made a good wife for him", because sense 3. tends to creep in.
Arg.
Why does every single line I type contain at lest one major error?
@Cerberus yes. All of these could be interpreted in the same way except that context forces us to assume that he and she must be a heterosexual couple in 1 and 2
Yes, but the indirect object without preposition in 2?
But if he is a gay man in a jurisdiction that allows gay marriage and she is a being capable of creating humans then "she made him a good husband" would make perfect sense as "she fashioned for him a suitable husband"
@Cerberus It's legal, I think.
But common?
You could also assume that she's actually a mother-in-law. That's make 2 and 3 match.
18:28
Not in normal speech. I think it sounds off... like, maybe this is how they would have written it hundreds of years ago, or in a modern fantasy novel when evoking archaic language (I don't know if it really ever was used that way). I don't find it unclear though... as long as we know that "she" is his wife, and not a wife-creator.
And were it her education, 1 also works, or you could still have 1 match the same way as 1 and 3
@GraceNote or 1 and 3 if he's gay
@MrShinyandNew安宇 OK then we are agreed.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hah, was just getting to that
And hi Grace!
18:29
Hi again, Cerberus
Yeah "She made him a good wife" just doesn't sound like how I'd express "she became/was a good wife for him". There'd need to be a really good reason to write it that way.
But "she made a good wife" sounds much better.
Yeah... it does.
But I'd be tempted to avoid using "made" entirely as you said before.
It sounds a bit sexist somehow.
As if it were her destiny to be a good wife.
@Cerberus Hm, it doesn't sound sexist to me.
18:33
Old Borscht Belt joke: "There was a genie who worked in a malt shop, and a customer came in and said 'Make me a malted.' So the genie waves his arm magically and says, 'Poof! You're a malted!'"
Just the phrase "she is a good wife" already has that ring to it for me.
@Robusto Hah, yes, but what is BB?
@Cerberus well, being "a good wife" can have lots of connotations on it, I suppose, but I don't think that's inherent in the use of the word "made"
@Robusto I do this all the time when my wife asks me to make her a sandwich. It gets about as many laughs as you'd expect.
Borscht Belt, or Jewish Alps, is a colloquial term for the mostly defunct summer resorts of the Catskill Mountains in parts of Sullivan, Orange and Ulster counties in upstate New York that were a popular vacation spot for New York City Jews from the 1920s through the 1960s. Name The name comes from borscht, a soup that is popular in many Central and Eastern European countries and was brought from these regions by Slavic and Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants to the United States, where it remains a popular dish in these ethnic communities as well. The soup is of Ukrainian origin, made with beetr...
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, it's not the word "made".
I like borscht.
OK, this has to be a comedy, right?
18:39
@Robusto Ale linked me to it, and it appears to be real.
But, yes, I see your point.
No, it's a deadly serious reconstruction of WW2
Wait, in the fine print it says "a dark sci-fi comedy." I feel so much better now.
Also, I think I'll probably go see it. ^_^
Sarah Palin v. Nazis from the Moon.
@Cerberus Who could resist?
Noöne indeed.
18:41
yesterday, by Matt Эллен
Ahh so you linked to it too!
Yeah, a Finnish friend was going on about it :)
Your two links melted into one in my heads.
So... if the Nazis had a moon base, couldn't they just fling large rocks down the gravity well, where they'd land on earth with devastating impacts, destroying major cities, at next to no cost to the moon-inhabitants?
Mar 7 '11 at 18:22, by Robusto
Who reads your shit?
18:42
@Robusto only those with taste
@MattЭллен Well, that certainly lets me out.
I mean... did nobody who worked on this film read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Probably all of them.
So.... doesn't that obviate the need for 99% of this film?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 And remember the number MYCROFTXXX?
18:43
@MrShinyandNew安宇 lol need
@MrShinyandNew安宇 TMIAHM was about closet Nazis. This title is like the Nazi Pride Parade unleashed.
Opening scene: Lunar orbiter discovers secret nazi base. Scene two: Nazis fling huge rocks at earth. Scene 3: major civilizations on earth destroyed. Nazis win. Roll credits.
Maybe I need to watch this movie in the faint hope that one of the characters wonders aloud why they don't do that. Or something.
I still can't wait to see Willem Dafoe as Tars Tarkas.
Tars Tarkas is a fictional character in Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series. Though a great warrior and leader among his people (the brutal and mirthless Tharks) he possesses a sense of compassion and empathy uncharacteristic of his race. In the first novel, A Princess of Mars, with the help of the newly arrived earth man John Carter he becomes a Jeddak (king) of the Tharks. Tars Tarkas is the very first Barsoomian encountered by John Carter when he appears on Mars. In fact, Tars Tarkas begins by making a very earnest attempt to kill Carter, having discovered the Earth man inspecting the...
he has no legs!
18:49
@Vitaly You old Khomaniac, you.
BTW, all you Europeans ... killacta.org/#map
Don't forget, the SOPA/PIPA war isn't over. It's coming to a street-corner near you.
@Vitaly Hahaha very nice.
@Robusto Good link! Facebooked.
@Vitaly Haha that sums it all up very well.
Cardboard holy man.
Hmm can't decide whether I'm bored or tired.
Brored.
I hadn't considered that yet.
Oh, bired! D'oh.
I'm changable
You're expopsing well today.
19:02
:D thank you
did you skate on the ice canals?
I don't have skates here, alas.
Do you?
@Cerberus Not much of a Hans Brinker, yeah?
I haven't skated in years.
@Robusto Who?
@Cerberus no, I've always hired skated when I've needed them.
A Dutch ice-skater?
19:04
well, I have roller skates
@Cerberus nor me
@MattЭллен Oh, ah. How much does that cost?
Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates (full title: Hans Brinker; or, the Silver Skates: A Story of Life in Holland) is a novel by American author Mary Mapes Dodge, first published in 1865. The novel takes place in the Netherlands, and is a colorful fictional portrait of early nineteenth-century Dutch life, as well as a tale of youthful honor. The title of the book refers to the beautiful silver skates to be awarded to winner of the ice-skating race Hans Brinker hopes to enter. The novel introduced the sport of Dutch speed skating to Americans, and in U.S. media Hans Brinker is still consid...
@Cerberus some sum of money that's not too much - I mean for skating on ice rinks, not on rivers
@Robusto Ah, funny.
I think you've mentioned him before.
@Cerberus Do you know nothing about your own cultural heritage?
19:06
@MattЭллен Mm yeah OK, I was wondering what % of the price of buying skates it would be.
@Robusto "American"
@Cerberus The book is about your country. You should know what people are saying about you, at the very least.
@Cerberus oh, practically none.
@Robusto I suppose. You may read it to me.
@MattЭллен Oh! That is good.
@Cerberus "A small fictional story within the novel has become well known in its own right in American popular culture. The story,[11] read aloud in a schoolroom in England, is about a Dutch boy who saves his country by putting his finger in a leaking dike. The boy stays there all night, in spite of the cold, until the adults of the village find him and make the necessary repairs."
See, it has the Dutch Boy thing in it.
You should be all over this shit.
@Cerberus I think it's included in the price of the time on the rink at my nearest rink
19:08
Hmm it costs € 5,50 extra here.
So not too much.
Hey, I read this book about some Americans who hang flags everywhere and have giant fridges. A must-read!
indeed. Although a quick check reveals skates to be cheaper than I expected. they're cheaper than my shoes!
Really?
How much?
yeah, the cheapest were £30
@Robusto I do appreciate your interest in Dutch "culture".
@MattЭллен Wow! But can one actually skate on those?
oh, but those are kids skates
adult sizes are from £40
@Cerberus yeah, I guess. I've not tried :D
19:13
Second hand they go for € 10 here, apparently!
That is amazing, considering that everyone is skating right now.
well, there was no demand until last week :D
@Cerberus Funny how people play to their own cultural stereotypes.
@Cer: That statue is from Madurodam.
@Robusto They can't help it. It's in their genes.
@Robusto Oh, funny.
It's just not really part of Dutch folklore.
As far as I know.
I mean, it is not regularly told to children or anything here.
bah, I'm not good enough to beat my own deck
Hehe.
You mean, your deck is so great it cannot be beaten!
19:25
except by its self :D
yeah! victory (over myself)
Sounds Buddhist.
BRB nappy time.
true.
sleep well!
feral oink not here?
19:41
@FumbleFingers It is I, Feral Oink! Thank you for being so accommodating!
gosh! I feel like a grandmaster already!
@FumbleFingers Sorry for the lag, I'm clumsy about some things. Okay, this is what I wanted to know:
@FumbleFingers I am smiling. Major domo maybe? There was a question several days ago,
fire away
@FumbleFingers Okay, yes, it was about Nissem, umm Nissan (sp?) Taleb and his concept of "anti-fragility".
i remember - will go find it in another window
19:44
@FumbleFingers I wrote this on my blog, and quoted you and someone else, and the EL&U question. myindigolives.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/…
@FumbleFingers No need to relocate question, is inline linked in my blog post, Taleb and the language of risk. Sounds so pretentious, sigh.
I don't know any other way to communicate. If I don't adhere to grammatical standards and usage, I denigrate into run on sentences and stream of consciousness chaos.
I've only skimmed it, but I like the tone of your blog.
@FumbleFingers So my question for you was this: Even though I have cited EL&U as my source per CC, I referred to you by your user name and quoted your comment. Are you okay with that? I don't get masses of readers or anything, this is just a hobby blog, but I wanted to be considerate, and let you know what I did, and make sure you were okay with it.
you're welcome to use anything I write here - I think I can safely say that about anyone who's commited enough to have 1000+ rep here
Oh, thank you! I like the old style format of the template juxtaposed with very not old-style concepts. Is fun!
...even if you're only quoting me to knock down what I say, that would be fine
19:49
Oh no, not at all. Knock down what you say, that is. I loved that expression, "tub thumping"
@FeralOink By denigrate you mean degenerate here?
hi rob. feral, I'm still learning how to use this chat, so I may be clumsy
I think grand standing is exactly what Taleb is doing. He is articulate and clever, but he is also glib and self-serving. And he gets tedious VERY fast, with all that self-aggrandizing!
@Robusto Umm yes, degenerate is what I meant! Debauche, revert in atavistic fashion to the most primitive sort of grammar and usage. That's what I mean!
@FeralOink I liked The Black Swan, but he always seems on the verge of making a cogent argument sometimes, but never quite getting there.
dammit! must be a time-zone thing! same as the only other time I came here, it turns out to be nearly teatime for me just when I'm getting into things! I'd quite like to stick around and rubbish taleb's style, but dinner dinner dinner dinner, as batman would say! byeeee!
19:53
@Robusto I actually spent a fair amount of time checking into Taleb after reading that anti-fragility question on EL&U. The Ludic Fallacy is his invention too. I even edited Wikipedia's entry after what I learned. And I have EL&U as the motivation.
@FumbleFingers Wait FumbleFingers!
@FeralOink He also invented that woman he frequently tells stories about. Can't remember her name just now.
One moment please? Do you have a blog or any thing like that? You are amazingly articulate and funny and fun. Not like Taleb.
Don't get between FF and the feedbag.
@Robusto Are you serious????? I didn't know about a woman. I did find more pretentious blathering by Taleb in other places though. One sec, you will laugh/ cringe at this, I get the URL ASAP please
@Robusto I think you are correct, he has departed. Oh well, I got what I needed, which was his permission. "Feedbag" I smile
@Robusto My father would ask my mother what was for dinner, and then answer the question himself, "whatever is in the feedbag, I guess".

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