English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Mitch

16:00

@Færd the ghost in the machine.

Boo

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch it's the tide, what else would it do?

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен It should make up its mind. Gah, just pick one!

Matt E. Эллен

maybe the fish are constantly voting

and can never agree

Mitch

fish...pfft

they're swimming in their own pee.

Matt E. Эллен

we walk in our own coughs and sneezes

Mitch

16:03

bleurgh

dust is just human skin

picks at a scab

Matt E. Эллен

picks up crab

Mitch

@Færd there's the duality between dualism and monism.

and then there's the 'embodied mind' people.

Færd

@Mitch I didn't expect you to admit that much.

Matt E. Эллен

talk about having your mind up your butt

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен ewww... I never know which end to pick it up from. obviously not the claw end. but the other end seems a little forward.

@Færd I have not admitted anything. I'm just stating nouns phrases.

Færd

16:07

Two more admissions. (<- This is just a noun phrase)

Matt E. Эллен

I picked up a rat, yesterday. it wasn't too happy about it, but it got over the imposition

Mitch

Eddie Murphy - Boogie In Your Butt

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@MattE.Эллен I hope not by the tail. That just infantilises them.

@Færd I believe in nonism. Whatever you say, it's not that.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch I had to squeeze its tail this morning to keep it from running under the sofa, potentially to never be seen again.

Færd

@Mitch Anyway, it's not the mind nor the matter.

@Mitch Then I just say what you just said.

Matt E. Эллен

is "what you just said" a philosophical stand point? It's certainly a terrible method of government.

Færd

16:13

I meant "Whatever one says, it's not that.".

Matt E. Эллен

I know :D

Færd

That's my reply to someone who believes in that statement.

@MattE.Эллен Oh, cool. :)

user227867

I read that the bacteria in some blue cheese is the same one that causes foot odour, yucks!

Matt E. Эллен

wouldn't surprise me. blue cheese smells awful

user227867

I tried it once but could not handle it.

user227867

16:14

Blue cheese is one of the blue things that I don't like. I can't think of anything else.

Matt E. Эллен

Blue Monday?

Færd

In some parts of the world they eat decomposed eggs.

user227867

I think acquired taste really means bad taste.

user227867

I know about Chinese century eggs, yucks!

Matt E. Эллен

Blue steak?

user227867

16:16

Even Chinese salted eggs is yucks!

Matt E. Эллен

New Order - Blue Monday

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user227867

Also, raw oyster is yucks!

Mitch

@WillHunting It's not penicillin either.

Færd

Y'all are giving me the blues.

Mitch

toejam = cheese starter

Færd

16:17

@Mitch Oh, so it doesn't help with infection at all?

user227867

And pig's liver is yucks, unless it is made into pate.

Mitch

@WillHunting you're not supposed to eat it straight. it's too strong. have it with bread.

user227867

There are people here who eat pig's liver with like noodles...

Færd

I thought rotted stuff could be good for bacterial infection.

user227867

In fact, they eat pig's kidney and pig's intestines as well. Basically, the whole pig can be eaten, even the trotters...

Mitch

16:18

@MattE.Эллен that's a real pick me up on a wednesday

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch it's the hour of power on KMFDM FM

Færd

I think I have never seen a pig in my life.

Matt E. Эллен

they look like pigs

Færd

Nor have I eaten anything piggy.

user227867

I think I have eaten frog once, but I am not sure if it is a frog or something else. It is like chicken, very tender and chickeny in flavour.

Mitch

16:19

@Færd I wouldn't be surprised if they're taxonomically related, but no, they are not the same species, and I'm pretty sure that the molds varieties in blue cheeses are not antibiotics at all.

Matt E. Эллен

it tastes like pig

Mitch

Of course, I'm just guessing. Wikipedia is a better guess

Matt E. Эллен

@WillHunting I had frog once. I concur

Mitch

@WillHunting pig face

Matt E. Эллен

If the rumours are true, the UK's last prime minister liked pig, too

Mitch

16:21

@Færd no big loss

user227867

@MattE.Эллен I don't like him. I think he is too conservative for me.

Matt E. Эллен

LOL

user227867

As you know, I am very liberal, LOL.

Mitch

LOL = laugh out liberally

user227867

That is because my mind has been liberated from certain things.

user227867

16:23

And that is because I spent years suffering through certain things.

user227867

However, as you know, my mind has not been liberated from some other things.

Færd

@MattE.Эллен Good. Now I know what anything tastes like.

Matt E. Эллен

@Færd exactly. that's what's so great about identity!

how much is one? it's exactly one

user227867

I am feeling very emotional these days. I listen to some notes, like five seconds, and I can start to cry.

Færd

That time of the month?

user227867

16:26

LOL

user227867

@Færd You know, someone once flagged me for saying that.

M.A.R.

I am feeling very emotional these days. I listen to some notes, like five seconds, and burst out laughing.

Færd

@WillHunting Why? I've heard men have something like that too.

@M.A.R. Well, it affects different people differently.

user227867

@Færd The person who flagged me was a woman. She thought I was being nasty to her, but to me it is a harmless joke.

Færd

I could understand why she was offended. I wouldn't crack that joke with a woman I didn't know.

Matt E. Эллен

16:28

well, it is demeaning to dismiss anyone's emotional state. however it happens to women a lot

user227867

@Færd I actually know her rather well, at least online, I mean, but never mind.

terdon

Pro tip: if you're male, never joke about menstruation's effect on a person's emotional state. If you're female, never joke about what it feels like to be hit in the testicles.

Fair?

user227867

@terdon Does it make a difference if you are gay? =)

Matt E. Эллен

no

Færd

Or have both organs?

user227867

16:30

Yeah, there are intersex people.

Færd

They can joke with everyone I guess.

Good for them.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

terdon

@WillHunting Huh? No, how would that make any difference? The gender you happen to be attracted to has nothing to do with whether you menstruate or have testicles.

Færd

I didn't know testicles are such sensitive parts for some men that they might get offended if someones joked about them.

terdon

Although, any poor bugger who both menstruates and has sensitive floppy bits with no protective covering has my full sympathy. . .

user227867

16:32

This world is so complicated that you never know what joke is seen as a joke and what joke is not.

user227867

So, does it mean it is best to not joke at all, to abolish all jokes in this world?

Matt E. Эллен

it means you should not pass off dismissing someone's emotional state as a joke

terdon

@Færd It isn't pleasant when a woman takes the piss about how men react when their testicles are in danger of physical assault. It's just an example of a group joking about something that they can't understand. Just like men joking about menstruation's effect.

You know, you're rolling on the floor in agony and she chuckles to herself, mumbling about "men can't take pain" and "come on, it only barely touched you".

Not fun :P

user227867

By the way, do women have painful parts like testicles that can't be kicked?

Matt E. Эллен

as @Cerberus will tell you, who you're talking to matters. like I'm sure there are some people who would not be offended if I joked about it, but context is everything. It's always safer not to do it.

@WillHunting breasts are very sensitive

terdon

16:34

@WillHunting Yes, no part of a woman's body can be kicked! Or a man's, for that matter :)

user227867

@MattE.Эллен But I don't think they match testicles in pain level, LOL

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon true!

@WillHunting I'll never know

terdon

@MattE.Эллен Only men are cursed with that horrible lag between the time you're hit and the time the pain hits home though. Them's some seriously unpleasant seconds!

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Only a person with both enlarged breasts and testicles can compare

M.A.R.

@MattE.Эллен If you're good enough that you can kick their breasts then you can kick their head too, doesn't count.

Færd

16:37

@terdon Haha. A shiver went down my spine.

user227867

I have suffered a physical pain possibly worse than testicles...

user227867

It is in the perineum.

Faheem Mitha

@KitZ.Fox Thanks.

user227867

It happens when I jump from a high place and land on the ground.

user227867

It is a strange condition that nobody really understands, it seems...

Færd

16:38

The prostate area?

user227867

It's hard to pinpoint it, but somewhere near the perineum, may not be the prostate itself.

Færd

Have you not have it diagnosed yet?

user227867

That is why I never jump anymore, never ever.

Færd

Good thing I have wings.

user227867

@Færd Seen many doctors, and one gave the possible diagnosis of perineal body tear. But I really think nobody really knows.

user227867

16:41

Went for MRI scan even

Færd

It may get better as years go by then.

Hopefully.

user227867

Scan did not reveal any abnormalities

user227867

I can tell you that it is certainly not imagined pain. =)

user227867

I mean, I am crazy, but I will never tell this kind of lie or be that crazy to imagine pain. =)

Færd

Well, the not jumping strategy seems a good plan for now. I hope you get well.

user227867

16:42

No hope is needed, because I don't need to jump anymore. =)

user227867

I just need to be careful when I sneeze too hard or cough too hard, because it can come too!

user227867

Or when I sit down too fast on a hard surface, it can come too!

user227867

It even comes sometimes when there is too much hard shit passing through!

user227867

ROFLMAO, it's all true.

Færd

Ouch.

user227867

16:46

I asked my brilliant doctor friend.

user227867

He said it is a tear somewhere but nobody would really know where the tear is in this case.

user227867

Among all my doctor friends, only he I would call smart, so I trust what he says

Færd

Maybe neurological.

Good doctors can be wrong too.

Take care anyway.

Mitch

May be testological

user227867

It's not really a problem for me. =)

user227867

16:49

My real problem is...well, the guys who know know.

Mitch

The real problem is the Antarctican Government.

Down with snow!

Færd

@WillHunting Quacking quackery of quacks?

user227867

@Mitch Nah, the real problem is my mind...

Færd

@Mitch Can that mean Let it be snowing?

Mitch

Down with the snow in your mind!

Færd

16:52

Cool.

user227867

I like the part in the movie where Nash says 'Why not? Why can't I?' to say why can't he sort it out, and the doc says 'Because your mind is where the problem is in the first place!' LOL

Mitch

@Færd let it snow let it snow let it snow!

The brain is just a bag of chemicals.

Yuck

user227867

@Mitch Maybe the brain is just chemicals, but I believe that the mind is more than just the brain

MetaEd

@WillHunting The mind is what the brain does.

user227867

@MetaEd Maybe the brain is what the mind uses to express itself...

MetaEd

16:55

@WillHunting It works both ways.

Emergence

In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is a process whereby larger entities arise through interactions among smaller or simpler entities such that the larger entities exhibit properties the smaller/simpler entities do not exhibit. Emergence is central in theories of integrative levels and of complex systems. For instance, the phenomenon of life as studied in biology is an emergent property of chemistry and psychological phenomena emerge from the neurobiological phenomena of living things. Likewise, economic and legal phenomena emerge from psychology. In philosophy, emergence...

Mitch

The brain is Anna. If chemicals with energy inputs from light sound and energy transducers

That really enjoy kitten pictures

user227867

If the brain is all chemicals and the mind is only the brain and nothing else, then we should certainly not sentence criminals to death.

Færd

Some activities of the mind and the brain are found to coincide in an organized, systematic way. You'd have to take a leap to assume any philosophical statement such as "The mind is blah blah."

Mitch

@WillHunting they're still jerks

user227867

@Færd If I leap, I will have perineal pain, LOL.

user227867

16:59

@Mitch LOL

Færd

@WillHunting What's wrong with chemicals sniffing chemicals?

Mitch

@Færd no leap. All evidence points to most mind like things happen because of the brain

user227867

@Færd Very deep...

user227867

@Mitch Well, science today represents only a small fraction of the truth in the universe.

Færd

@Mitch You don't discover the cause by experimenting. You can only say A and B concur.

user227867

17:02

I used to think a little about determinism versus free will. I no longer do, because it is too complicated.

Mitch

@Færd truth is an abused word

Færd

Unless you just wanna make up a model and explain some things for practical purpose.

@Mitch Absurd is a sentimental remark. Truth is a philosophical issue.

Mitch

@Færd ?? Experimenting helps discover when A and B occur

user227867

I think I will never know the answer to some questions like that, but I believe there is someone who knows, and you know who that is.

Matt E. Эллен

Justin Beiber?

user227867

17:03

@MattE.Эллен Not Beiber, Bieber, LOL.

Matt E. Эллен

Well, it's close enough :D

user227867

Yes, good for you.

user227867

Actually, I don't really like Justin Bieber now. You also know who I like now...

Mitch

Jason Bourne?

user227867

Jacob Sartorius, LOL

Mitch

17:05

Johnny Buttafuoco?

Færd

A = this particular activity of the brain
B = laughing
Experiment = "A and B are seen to happen together."
Leap = "A is B.", or "B is because of A."

Mitch

If B never happens without A then that's not evidence of causality

Also timing.

Saladin

Hello guys.

what is the grammatically correct way to say following sentence.

"I be grateful If you can this week , help to arrange a meeting, to discuss this opportunity"

user227867

@Saladin I would be grateful if you can help to arrange a meeting this week to discuss this matter.

Mitch

Important observations, evergreens also lose their leaves (needles) but they don't lose all of them every year all at once.

I just learned that

Færd

17:09

@Mitch I didn't say anything is evidence of causality.

I meant to discourage people from taking unreasonable leaps.

user227867

Also, correlation is not causation. What is causation? That is a very deep question...

Mitch

Like JL?

user227867

LOL

Færd

@WillHunting And also very simple.

What is it called when something is so deeply simple that it seems unexplainable?

Matt E. Эллен

isn't that when you burn wounds to stop the bleeding?

user227867

17:11

@Færd Maybe it is not so simple in that case.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен I never tried burning wounds to stop bleeding.

Matt E. Эллен

oh right, that's cauterisation

user227867

Sorry, I have a limited vocabulary, even though I am a dictionary connoisseur =)

Matt E. Эллен

it's OK. my "jokes" are mostly for my benefit

user227867

Yes, LOL

user227867

17:14

For you to feel superior when it comes to joking

Færd

It's a gift for one to be amused by one's jokes.

user227867

What is the difference between gift and present? This is a very deep question that I once answered wrongly on ELU...

user227867

As you can see, many questions are very deep to me...

user227867

vanishes in puff of smoke

Færd

It was a rainy sunset tonight.

Dinner time. Bye.

anongoodnurse

17:38

@MattE.Эллен - if you so desire, this needs deleting. OP too disruptive to delete it themselves.

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Q: What do you call the etymological process?

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Tonepoet

@KitZ.Fox Yeah, I saw that on Wikipedia and updated my third response. I need to read those books again, and more thoroughly.

Matt E. Эллен

@anongoodnurse fair enough.

Cerberus

18:37

@MattE.Эллен Absolutely. Several very important questions:

> Is it (semi-)serious or clearly said in jest?

> Is it aimed at a specific person or at nobody in particular, just a general statement?

Cerberus

18:49

@Færd Excellent picture!

M.A.R.

@Færd :o NUCLEAR BOMB

Færd

20:27

@Cerberus Merci. If only I had a good camera.

@M.A.R. From that spot you can see it explode every night; each night in a new way.

It's a 2-3 hours' walk from where I live.

SmokeDetector

23:55

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Which word is most correct in this case: re-settle or resettle? by Ghchgchgcghfghvghcghg on english.stackexchange.com

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