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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:00 PM
he's replaced the mouse, the os, the computer.
@RegDwigнt yeah but there are other kinds of hw problems
I used to work in computer repair.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well yeah.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
some of the glitches are weird, random, difficult to diagnose
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
We have five sysadmins here. I get good machines. But there's no fixing for Linux.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
if you say so.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
We went SuSE because it was awesome, then we went oh FFS I don't even remember, Redhat because it was awesome, then we went something something because it was awesome, then we went Debian because it was the best, then I had Ubuntu fuck that shit, then we went this and we went that and now we're at SuSE again and it still suck ass.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
3:02 PM
@RegDwigнt Five sysadmins? I see your problem right here.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Yeah yeah talk it off.
It's always like that with Linux fanbois.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
it's a little weird that you keep jumping around from distro to distro
it sounds like your admins don't know what they're doing
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well this is over a period of 17 years.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
still.
what is with so many transitions.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
You should go with Plan 9 because it's awesome.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:04 PM
We did the same thing to version control. I started off with CVS. By the time I learned the basics, we were at SVN. By the time I learned the three commands for that, we switched to Git.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
yeah we just switched to git. it's been a nightmare.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so many transitions because SuSE sucks and Debian is awesome. No wait, Debian sucks and Redhat is awesome. No wait, there's a new kid on the block called Ubuntu and it's awesome. No wait it's actually the worst of them all.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
I change one file, git tells me 1000 other files are changed and need to be checked in
@RegDwigнt That is a sign of not knowing what is going on in linux development, not understanding how to choose a distro, etc.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
This is the problem with Linux. Every friggen year or two a different guy pops his ugly head and goes here's my distro it's the best. And then everyone loses their shit over how it's the best and then I have to install it.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 NTP is a little jittery today. Just check them in and probably everything will work out fine.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:05 PM
@RegDwigнt That's not a problem with linux itself though. That's a problem with admins.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Seriously, Plan 9. No, wait. Inferno is now much sexier. Go with Inferno.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am not going to explain the situation to you in any detail because I'm already bored to tears. Let me just say that it's not that. Most certainly and definitely not.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
OS/2, tyvm
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
And besides, even if it were, how is that even relevant.
My keys are still not registering because of the fucken Linux, not because of some sysadmin.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@RegDwigнt it's relevant because you claim that your hardware and software are set up properly, yet you have mysterious problems.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:07 PM
My hardware and software are set up properly.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Which leads me to suspect that your hardware and/or software aren't, in fact, set up properly
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
The solution is to fire 4 sysadmins. The problem is picking the one to keep.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
just fire all of them and hire a new one.
how could it be worse than non-functioning keyboards?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
You could just promote one, but that always spoils the one you promote.
Look at me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well good thing we've cleared it up then. Everything alright with Linux. No problems at all. Ever. It's 100% fine. Never a single bug. Never a single hideous pixel. So perfect. Sorry I shat on it.
Never a single SSH problem that goes unnoticed for three decades. Nope not with Linux.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:09 PM
@RegDwigнt I'm not claiming it's perfect and you know it, I'm pointing out that your experience is contrary to my own 20 years of linux experience.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Yes. And you have been doing that for six years now.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
So telling people "don't install linux because my admins can't get it right" isn't really great advice
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Meanwhile I have spent these six years pointing out that my experience is contrary to yours. Glad we're on the same page here.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
The fact that Linux has bugs disqualifies linux as an OS as much as the fact that every OS has bugs.
just don't install any software at all! your computer will be less bloated and bug free.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh right sorry. I am changing it, then, to "Don't install Linux because you will need a fucking admin to get it right, and the right kind of admin to boot".
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:11 PM
@RegDwigнt Sorry, but I trust Robusto to get a Fedora or Ubuntu install right more than I trust your admins, based on the problems you've reported.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 what are you even on about? I was talking to my mate Robusto here. You said your bit, I said mine. That is all.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@RegDwigнt yeah but your bit was wrong, haven't you been listening?
geez
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well that's the thing. Do you trust me to get a Fedora or Ubuntu install right?
Who do you trust to get a Fedora or Ubuntu install right?
And why do we have to trust anyone? I thought the whole point of those things was that they were easy as pie.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@RegDwigнt well, I would've before, but now.....
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
They certainly keep advertising them as such.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 and you'd be wrong.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:13 PM
@RegDwigнt yes, my recent linux install was pretty easy.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Recent?
So wait a second.
How many Linux installs did you have in the last 17 years?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
dozens
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 At least he's entertaining
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well there you go. You had dozens. And we had like seven. Only four major ones. And you call us incapable.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@RegDwigнt I'm with you. Linux is easy to get wrong, does require you to hire people, and there needs to be a compelling reason not to trash it and go to something supported.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
3:17 PM
@RegDwigнt well, I assume you have more than seven computers.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
It's great for some things, like turnkey servers, embedded systems, etc.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
And my dozens of installs went right, as opposed to your seven that went wrong
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
They didn't go wrong FFS.
There are just bugs in Linux. Period. That is what's wrong with it.
And yes, there's bugs in other things too but it was never my point that there weren't.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 maybe he is the problem. He should replace himself.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch yeah I wasn't going to say it, but I did think it :p
oh wait, you mean my coworker.
yeah, I've suggested that he is the problem
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:20 PM
Yawn.
I get worse insults every day when I play World of Tanks.
You gotta try harder, you tryhards.
And in twenty languages, please.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
"You're so stupid you can't even type on Linux without rebooting"
 
Mitch
Mitch
burn
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
yeah it doesn't pack much zing
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
À propos of nothing, only yesterdays I found out that one of the guys I've been platooning the entire last week with was from Boulder. @tchrist
Like, I knew before he was from Colorado.
But yesterday he like casually mentioned Boulder.
And I was like WTF this world is small.
 
Mitch
Mitch
You're so judgy
You're so judgy that when your mom sits around the house, you tell her.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:22 PM
Yo mama so fat, she sat on my Linux and now it's fixed.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@RegDwigнt I didn't know we had soldiers in your hamlet.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@RegDwigнt haha. linux is the worst.
after Windows and iOS
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
They are our rivals!
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Just get your admins to install the "android" distro on your computers. That will fix all your problems.
It's the most popular linux distro there is, by a long shot.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Oh, computers.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:24 PM
Yeah can't wait to not be able to type on my mobile phone, too!
So thrilled and excited.
Enticing perspectives.
 
Mitch
Mitch
typing is so old school. You don't have the pluggable 'thought' interface?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
 
Mitch
Mitch
That's being made obsolete by the BlueBrian connection.
The problem is with controlling your thoughts.
also tinnitis. it translates over
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@RegDwigнt Since that's a GradeAUnderA video that should probably come with a warning about cussing if anybody cares about that 'round these parts. =P
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
@RegDwigнt Hey. Inferno isn't sexy anymore. Migrate to AmigaOS.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:26 PM
@Tonepoet and overt racism
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Fuck warnings. Fuck cussing. Fuck parts. Fuck anybody who cares.
Oh and yeah: Parental advisory.
@Mitch nah that's just Britain for you. It's not racist if you used to actually own the race.
 
Mitch
Mitch
"Time to make the effing donuts"
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Did you pass the racist test? XP
 
user227867
I see you guys are talking about Linux without me, so I decided to come come come.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Tonepoet how many different nations do I have to insult and or kill for that?
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:28 PM
@RegDwigнt Yeah, so it's not racism then it's just that they really are purebred and they don't want to ruin the streak.
 
user227867
I agree that Linux may not be as good as Windows, but if things keep breaking either your hardware sucks or your sysadmins suck @RegDwigнt
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mitch You almost made it sound like it's a bad thing!
@WillHunting they do not keep breaking. And stop jumping on the bandwagon.
 
user227867
I have done over 100 installations of Linux in the past 5 years all by myself.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
QED.
I have done exactly one installation of Win 2000. And it still works.
 
user227867
There is almost no problem using them all by myself.
 
user227867
3:29 PM
And I don't even have a PhD in computer science.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@RegDwigнt None! You just have to make a few guesses! I think that's a good thing for everybody who's not a militant racist...
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I also still have Linux installed on my original XBOX. Works like a charm. But that's only because I never have to type anything on it. I bet if I hooked it up with a keyboard it would blow up in smoke.
 
user227867
Now, I really recommend you use Debian/Ubuntu/Mint @RegDwigнt
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Tonepoet oh that one I took yeah. I passed with flying colors.
@WillHunting used them all. All sucked though for different reasons.
Also I gotta run now anyway.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@RegDwigнt The bandwagon is the worst. The green room is where they keep all the good snacks
 
user227867
3:31 PM
I would say that Ubuntu is the easiest and safest, together with its official derivatives with different desktop environments.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
You've been saying it for years. And still nobody cares.
 
user227867
Therefore, I recommend you go with Ubuntu something @RegDwigнt and @Robusto
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
In fact if anything, less people do.
I don't even remember the last time anyone mentioned the word "Ubuntu". Except as a punchline maybe. No, actually not even that.
CYA'all
 
Mitch
Mitch
@RegDwigнt "A horse walked into a bar. Ubuntu"
 
user227867
Anyway I recommend you install Ubuntu MATE 16.10 which will be released next Thu evening. It comes with MATE 1.16 and has full GTK3+ implementation.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:33 PM
rimshot
 
user227867
In fact, that is exactly what I am going to use next weekend.
 
user227867
Oxford and Collins have not gotten back to me regarding my email about their dictionaries.
 
user227867
Chambers got back to me when I asked them about the quirky definitions @Tonepoet They gave me an entire list of them
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting People don't read their emails anymore.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting That's interesting. What other words are on the list?
 
user227867
3:35 PM
Over the weekend I also emailed two errors I found in the Oxford dictionaries, so my contributions will hopefully be implemented soon for all of you guys.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch I virtually never did.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm mostly speaking for myself.
I only send emails.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet There are like around 75. I deleted the list. I regret to mention that I don't think I would buy a copy, because there are too many quirky definitions, but I thank them for bothering to reply to me.
 
user227867
Do you guys wanna know what errors I found @Mitch?
 
user227867
In the ODE, under the entry Kama, it should be a bow of sugar cane and not a bowl of sugar cane. In the NOAD, under the entry Micah, it should be pronounced without the terminal l sound because it is not Michael.
 
user227867
3:38 PM
I am so proud that I am now a lexicographer. QED.
 
user227867
These errors are currently in the print and online versions. You can see for yourself.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Assuming that they got to you faster than Oxford, the less prestigious companies try to work harder to please potential customers. That isn't to say that Chambers' isn't thought of as important, but Oxford is just thought of so much more highly.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet If they don't reply this time I would not think of them anymore.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Do you mean Oxford'?
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Yes. I am still upset about the lack of pronunciations in the ODE and COED and the OID being out of print
 
user227867
3:42 PM
I am not blaming any particular person because I don't even know who is responsible for the decision.
 
user227867
There could be some politics behind these decisions.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Hmm, well they already have your money since you bought the N.O.A.D. and seem to enjoy it. Also, I'd be surprised if they responded to a single percent of their emails...
 
user227867
@Tonepoet In my email to them, I said I have bought many Oxford dictionaries in my life...
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
@WillHunting The Dean
that stuffy old dean!
 
user227867
@MattE.Эллен Maybe it is Bean
 
user227867
3:44 PM
@MattE.Эллен Hello, and where is @KitZ.Fox?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@WillHunting Sheffield
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Many people say that to get attention, even if they haven't though. They might have other priorities too, like refunding people whose bindings fell apart. Weren't you saying one of their books had bad binding?
 
user227867
@tchrist Hi. Maybe you can put your photo as your avatar, like the one on Wikipedia. =)
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Oh, I saw those in the bookstore. I did not buy those.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Yes, I'm just mentioning it to point out that Oxford might be more worried about their consternation.
 
user227867
3:50 PM
@Tonepoet In one autoreply they did say they might not be able to reply to everything. In another autoreply they said 3 days. In another autoreply they said 10 days.
 
user227867
So I will wait wait wait.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
They know no matter what they do, they'll have customers in the immediate future due to their repute, and past feats in lexicography. I wish the Ivy League would give them a kick in the pants by publishing a 20 volume Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia. Then maybe we'd see more sensible lexicography efforts on their part, than sensationalism.
 
user227867
I recommend you guys watch 'Waiting' and the sequel 'Still waiting', the funniest movies of all time
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Then again, my opinion is biased because I'm basing my thoughts on them on what they report like the 2015 word of the year, rather than the actual content of their books..
@WillHunting Is it anything like this?
 
user227867
It is midnight here in Antarctica.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:04 PM
@WillHunting You should change your picture to that of an emperor penguin wearing a crown.
 
user227867
I was looking through the treatments of punctuation in two big grammars, A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language by Quirk et al and Oxford English Grammar by Greenbaum. Not too happy with them. I think only The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language by Huddleston et al is good.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Did you see The Farlex Grammar Book?
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Not yet. =)
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Take a look at it then. They have an entire volume dedicated to punctuation.
 
user227867
The comma is the most difficult punctuation in English. I spent several days studying the comma from various sources and still have no clear idea.
 
user227867
4:15 PM
I will put it aside and come back to it in future.
 
user227867
It also appears that 'in future' is British and 'in the future' is American.
 
user227867
Also, 'in two minds' and 'of two minds'.
 
user227867
But I just say 'undecided' for that.
 
user227867
And it seems the Americans don't say something costs a bomb for something being expensive.
 
user227867
To me, a bomb is not only expensive but expansive.
 
user227867
4:20 PM
@Tonepoet I gave up formatting links in chat long ago. Save time
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Yeah, but I like things to look pretty like the text in old books.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting Excellent! Congratulations!
 
user227867
Because a Wikipedia article is written by so many, it can be very inconsistent.
 
user227867
I think a person editing one paragraph should at least read the two paragraphs surrounding it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting Also, anybody can put anything there.
 
user227867
4:25 PM
I find Wikipedia riddled with spelling and punctuation errors these days.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting The whole article would be best. I've seen repeated facts far apart in a long article
@WillHunting You'd think they'd have an autocorrect spell/grammar check
 
user227867
@Mitch Well, Microsoft has shown those do not work. =)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting well...
 
user227867
Does anyone here have the Macquarie Dictionary? It seems to be the authoritative dictionary in Australia! It seems that it cannot be bought anywhere except in Australia and Australian websites!
 
Mitch
Mitch
only that their own isn't that great.
 
user227867
4:28 PM
I am curious what the inside looks like.
 
user227867
And they have all kinds of weird terms too.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I like Stack Exchange better than Wikipedia because I get full editorial control over my contributions. However, if a reasonable S.E. competitor pops up without this CC-BY-SA license pops up, I'm outta here. >_>
 
user227867
It is OK. I can always find you in Hangouts @Tonepoet
 
user227867
So it seems to be Oxford in Britain, Merriam in America, and Macquarie in Australia, hmm.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting and anything goes in Antarctica
 
user227867
4:33 PM
Book Depository has a new website design, very very very beautiful. It feels like I designed it myself.
 
user227867
@Mitch True. The people here say anything.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet You don't get the same editorial control there as here?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Here on Stack Exchange, contributors have sole discretion over the content of an answer.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting I like books but I don't read them anymore. Too impatient. I blame smartphones
 
user227867
@Mitch I read the Oxford Words Blog and was shocked to find that words from Singapore entered the OED. I wonder what Singapore English is like. I should go there for a vacation soon.
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:34 PM
@Tonepoet Other people can edit them as they wish
@WillHunting It's a mess lah
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch We have community norms that prevent that, and I can always roll them back.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet same as wikipedia
 
user227867
@Mitch Wow, you sound like you speak good Singapore English. So good lah.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch The norms and practices at Wiki are probably different from here. My negatively voted answers would have probably been deleted at Wiki....
 
user227867
@Mitch Here in Antarctica, we say lol instead of lah, as you have figured.
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:37 PM
@WillHunting All I know is to end sentences with lah lah
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Maybe that's the full extent of SIngapore English, and you've mastered it. If so, good job! =P
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet site culture is different from who is technically allowed to edit. within SE there are different norms.
@WillHunting lol lah
 
user227867
Did you know that Book Depository is now under Amazon, and that it was started by a former Amazon employee? IMAO it is now better than Amazon
 
user227867
For one thing it focuses only on books and nothing else. For another its packaging is really really good.
 
user227867
I hope Amazon does not hire lazy bums because the past few times my parcel arrived in not too good a condition.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:39 PM
@Mitch Site norms have to be considered. If somebody really tried to edit my content severely, I could probably convince a mod. to intervene because our community guidelines forbid severe edits against the wish of the poster.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet 'forbid'?. There are no rules here, just guidelines.
 
user227867
Rules don't apply to Emperors like me.
 
Mitch
Mitch
But true, the whole point to wikipedia is you're expected to do edits
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch My opinion is that "guidelines" is just a euphemism for "rules" in most regards.
 
user227867
Emperors only make rules for others.
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:42 PM
@Tonepoet euphemism is both a synonym and antonym of dysphemism
@WillHunting and then there's that one guy all the way at the bottom
 
user227867
@Mitch That is me. I am in Antarctica.
 
user227867
Hey @Tonepoet I did a survey for Book Depository today hoping to get a coupon but I did not. =(
 
user227867
I have not made money for many years and I have become greedy as a result, snatching every chance to get a discount or a coupon or a gift.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting shiok!
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting That's lame. They could at least give you one of those $5 off purchases of $XX or more coupons.
@WillHunting You need a job.
 
user227867
4:45 PM
@Tonepoet The survey took so long, lol.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet I think a job now would make me worse, so I am trying to get better first. I am hoping to start studying in a few weeks time.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Try not to go bankrupt in the meantime then.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Are you looking for a job?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet if so then you're using 'forbid' wrong.
 
user227867
Fumble Fingers = FF = Forbidden Fruit = FF = Fire Fox
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:49 PM
Fanny Farmer
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Earlier this year I got a ten per cent discount on BD during the festive season
 
Mitch
Mitch
What's BD?
 
user227867
Book Depository
 
Mitch
Mitch
Oh. Right.
 
user227867
You really need to check it out if you haven't
 
user227867
4:51 PM
Prices can be really good
 
Mitch
Mitch
checking it out
 
user227867
@Mitch Free delivery worldwide for ALL items
 
user227867
I mean ALL...
 
user227867
That is so insane.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch Webster defines it as "To prohibit; to interdict; to command to forbear or not to do." as in the help center forbids people to change the meaning of the post. "To clarify the meaning of the post (without changing that meaning)"
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:53 PM
@WillHunting interface looks good. If I ever want another book I'll try it.
 
user227867
Since the Oxford Italian D is out of print and the Collins Italian D has too few entries, I think maybe I would get the Ragazzini Dizionario in future.
 
user227867
It's really amazing that Zanichelli publishes bidirectional dictionaries for Italian and English/French/German/Spanish. Very very good alternative to Oxford and Collins if you know Italian!
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet I couldn't find the word 'forbid' there.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch The word forbid does not have to be used in something to be forbidden. It's the instruction to not change the meaning that makes it forbidden.
 
user227867
Inglese Francese Tedesco Italiano Spagnolo, LOLLOLLOL
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:56 PM
@Tonepoet 1) yes, one does not have to use a word to infer its meaning. 2) you have inferred wrongly.
 
user227867
Arabo Russo Cinese ROFLMAO
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
"Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill" in the ten commandments forbid theft and murder, do they not @Mitch?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting Are you writing an opera?
 
user227867
It is cool that Italian is the closest language to Latin, if I am not wrong.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet Analogies in general are not very persuasive, and yours even less so.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
4:58 PM
@Mitch I would advise against using the word "infer" for incorrect assumptions or interpretations, unless it's in response to somebody who claimed they made an inference...
 
user227867
I was thinking that maybe Jesus Christ and Prophet Muhammad did not even exist. It is certainly a historical possibility.
 
user227867
But one day I will still try to read the entire Bible and Koran.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting I'm pretty sure it is. I've heard that Italian is the most conservative of all Romance; it definitely has had the least influence by invaders.
 
user227867
I might also get the four volumes of Upanishads from Amazon for Hinduism
 
user227867
@Mitch And Vatican City is right inside Rome, LOL, if I am not wrong
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:00 PM
@Mitch Is there a reason for that?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting Yes. But that's purely a political thing
@WillHunting THat's a lot of reading, isn't it?
 
user227867
@Mitch Maybe the font is HUGE, LOL
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet Yes. It has the same logical difficulties as the problem of induction.
@WillHunting What if you get it and it has all blank pages?
 
user227867
@Mitch Then I have attained liberation
 
Mitch
Mitch
And that causes you to attain Nirvana?
 
user227867
5:02 PM
Jinx
 
Mitch
Mitch
But that's not part of Hinduism, so you'd have to convert to Buddhism.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@Mitch And those are what?
 
Mitch
Mitch
look it up and think
 
user227867
That is too hard. Let's have food instead of induction
 
Mitch
Mitch
even better
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:06 PM
@Mitch I have, and you have not made it clear which precise meaning you wish to convey. =P
 
user227867
Remember to support Jacob Sartorius and subscribe to his YouTube and get his iTunes! =)
 
user227867
I have played his Hit Or Miss over 9000 times
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Are you a clergyman being hazed Mitch?
 
user227867
It is very sad that he has so many haters on YouTube. I think they should STFU. He is just a kid, and he is a good kid, and they should not F him up
 
user227867
The comments there would definitely get flagged on SE.
 
user227867
5:09 PM
And those users would definitely get suspended.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting If you become a celebrity you'll get more than your fair share of haters. Multiply that amount by at least tenfold if you become a celebrity on the Internet, and a hundredfold more if it's on Youtube.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Wait. Maybe you ARE Jacob Sartorius. =)
 
user227867
Do you know that Robin Williams said 'he is a good kid' in Good Will Hunting about Matt Damon for the characters they play?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Nah, I'm actually Justin Beiber. =P
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet Exactly
 
user227867
5:12 PM
@Tonepoet Bieber, not Beiber. You are fake.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet Do you know I am actually Will Hunting? See my username? QED.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Okay, I lied. I'm Justin Imbiber Oalcohol. <_<
 
user227867
@Tonepoet I think you might be the sweet girl in the American Heritage Dictionary video, LOL
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Maybe I'm William Morris. =P
 
Mitch
Mitch
later!
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
5:20 PM
Or the ghost of A.H. Murray. Bye @mitch.
 
user227867
later too!
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
6:21 PM
Hi @Will.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@KitZ.Fox hey so that workplace drama that I was mentioning yesterday? It just took an ominous turn.
like, stop all work and start stockpiling weapons.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Whoa.
Mine too.
There's definitely something universally weird going on.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
The US election
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
It's things everywhere though. I've never seen anything like it. Like the sky is falling.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
Yup, the US election
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
6:35 PM
perfect storm
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
10
Q: How can we make the voter "call to action" ads more universal?

Shog9You may not have noticed it, but there's a new set of ads running on SO (and maybe other sites) right now: I guess we got approached by some voter registration org about running these, and it seemed like a good idea... So we're running them. They appear for folks who we think are in the USA, a...

discussion advertising
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
My favorite call to action was by Pat Paulsen. "Vote ... or get off the pot."
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Ha.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We've got openings. Some of them are for remote work.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@KitZ.Fox thanks, I'll keep it in mind
 
 
2 hours later…
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
8:27 PM
@Rubisco How is this election is unprecedented when compared to any other?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Tonepoet This is the first time a woman is running against a racist cheeto
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Some people are just upset that there’s again a person of color running this time around.
Orange being the new black and all.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
heh
 
 
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Rubisco
Rubisco
9:46 PM
@Tonepoet well, I guess because it's never been 2016 before.
And yeah, we have a platypus running for president for the first time ever
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I think more of the people here would be willing to vote for this than Mr. Trump:
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
Well, he's not particularly a cute platypus. That's his disadvantage comparing to Clair Hillington.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Tonepoet And how’s Oz treatin’ ya, flatfoot?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist Do I need to read Frank L. Baum's books, or watch the H.B.O. series in order to understand that statement?
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Tonepoet You could probably just ask @Cerberus what I meant.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
9:56 PM
Why me, specifically?
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist Oh, you're deferring to Cerb. it's probably about Latin, and if it's about Latin it's probably just a taxonomic joke.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Because of platus?
 
tchrist
tchrist
No Latins were harmed in the making of this joke.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Probably related to English flat.
It's Greek.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I know that. You know that.
@Tonepoet You realize of course that the platypus was initially believed to indeed be a taxonomic joke.
I half-wish we’d retained its common name of duck-mole.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
9:59 PM
@tchrist Well no, but it's understandable why it would be considered one. It is rather exceptional to have a mammal that lays eggs and has a bill like a bird, yet swims as well as a fish.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Lots of things lay eggs.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist How many of them have fur too?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Every last one of the Monotremata.
If you care about extant taxa only.
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Apparently that means four.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
This is why I hate taxonomy.
Which makes me kinda hate the parts of biology with zero calculations and real processing in mind.
 
tchrist
tchrist
10:05 PM
@Rubisco Learn now the lore of Living Creatures!
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist Actually, I just learned more about fictional ones. This lays eggs.
 
tchrist
tchrist
First name the four, the Free Peoples!
The platypus is venomous, but not milked for want of dispensary teats.
Whereas rattlesnakes instead give birth to live young, and are milked.
 
tchrist
tchrist
10:51 PM
0
Q: It would have had to have been someone who was deeply mentally disturbed

Franks T. MaiaAs a matter of fact, I'm deeply mentally disturbed with this sentence construction. (...) have had to have been... Taken from Post-Human (Post-Human, #2) http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7105194-post-human Is this the best sentence to convey the meaning? I wouldn't choose it. In additi...

word-choice verbs
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
11:16 PM
@tchrist I suppose the full sentence is "[noun] would have had to have been [doing something]" . If that is the case, I'd almost rather use must with an if....
I have no idea regarding how to actually analyze syntax though and the full sentence was not provided, so...
 
user227867
Good evening @Kit. How are you feeling now, better?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Yes. Thank you.
 
user227867
11:33 PM
Mari is still suspended till next year, hmm. I was checking now and then to see if her appeal to the staff was successful.
 
user227867
Josh has returned, and Rathony will be returning soon.
 
user227867
My Chrome browser keeps freezing these days.
 
user227867
@KitZ.Fox Are you preparing for NaNoWriMo this year?
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
I am. I created a title and cover.
 
user227867
Woo! One day you are going to edit it all and sell it and be the next J K Rowling.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
11:36 PM
Maybe. I don't know.
 
user227867
I noticed many people subscribed to your channel after that wound care thing.
 
user227867
But you also stopped making more. Maybe too much pressure? =)
 
user227867
I was also surprised that one got so many views within a month.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
@WillHunting No, I just haven't had time.
I was building a new computer and then I started a new contract.
 
user227867
I am going to eat some noodles first.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
11:39 PM
I'm off to visit with a friend.
 
user227867
11:51 PM
I'm off to think about things.
 
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