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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
12:20 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer: Differences between "carton" and "box" (Express service) by poo on english.stackexchange.com
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
1:59 AM
 
tchrist
tchrist
> The Google team, led by engineering manager Jon Orwant, has also fixed a great deal of the faulty metadata that marred the original release.
I know, I know: it means nothing to you.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
2:35 AM
Has the ODO site 'upgrade' been discussed here? I'm wondering about their new tagline: Oxford Living Dictionaries, especially the word "Living". Does this mean they're going into some kind of continuous release (not sure how that would be different from before) or community authorship? Community authorship moves away from providing researched, authoritative definitions, and would dilute their brand, in my opinion.
 
 
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SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
8:46 AM
 
Matt E. Эллен
Matt E. Эллен
9:13 AM
Sep 15 at 15:37, by Matt E. Эллен
ODO changed!
Sep 15 at 15:37, by Matt E. Эллен
how odd
that's all the discussion
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
9:49 AM
There's nothing on the site itself about the revamp. But there doesn't seem to be any inkling of community input so far.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
10:20 AM
@MattE.Эллен @AndrewLeach Thanks for the feedback.
 
 
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user227867
1:45 PM
@Lawrence I think the 'living' means nothing new.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
1:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer: Is this correct: "Let me know once you finish"? by RON BATCHELOR on english.stackexchange.com
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
2:11 PM
@WillHunting Just marketing-speak, then.
 
user3183724
user3183724
2:29 PM
Would anyone know a more formal way of saying that a certain object is the workhorse of the system? Say you have something built up out of multiple components, but one of them performs almost all of the work, while the rest just create the right circumstances
Something along the lines of powerhouse, but that too does not sound very formal
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
2:42 PM
core?
key component?
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@user3183724 What's the context?
Hi @KitZ.Fox.
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Hi @Lawrence.
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
Are you enjoying a more relaxed time with our new moderators on board?
 
user3183724
user3183724
@Lawrence Hm, the context is a bit complex. I'm talking about a physics experiment in which we have a system built up out of several components, but one of them is responsible for all of the interesting behaviour, the other components are just there to probe the component of interest
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@user3183724 Were you happy with KitZ.Fox's suggestions? They seem appropriate in that context.
 
user3183724
user3183724
2:55 PM
@Lawrence Somehow I just read over them, not seeing the highlighted text. Maybe it's time for a writing break! But yes, core and key component do work! I was hoping that perhaps there was a more interesting term, sort of the opposite of ancilla
(Which is often used in these scientific contexts to denote a component that is merely there to assist the others)
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@user3183724 Principal?
 
user3183724
user3183724
Yes, that also sounds good. I'll probably go with one of those!
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
3:19 PM
Hey can any of you give me a word for this description
Someone who studies something as a job
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
That sounds like a crossword clue. I think more information is required.
It's not immediately obvious how someone might earn a living through study.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
John Burnet (classicist)
John Burnet (/bərˈnɛt, ˈbɜːrnɪt/; 9 December 1863 – 26 May 1928) was a Scottish classicist. He was born in Edinburgh and died in St Andrews. == Life and work == Burnet was educated at the Royal High School, Edinburgh, the University of Edinburgh, and Balliol College, Oxford, receiving his M.A. degree in 1887. In 1887 Burnet became an assistant to Lewis Campbell at the University of St. Andrews. From 1890 to 1915, he was a Fellow at Merton College, Oxford; he was a professor of Latin at Edinburgh; from 1892 to 1926, he was Professor of Greek at the University of St. Andrews. He became a Fellow of...
This guy's job, but not classicist.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Researcher? Research fellow?
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Hmm. So he's a classicist, but the same sort of thing could be done by a musicologist (studying early Gregorian chant, for instance). You want a hypernym for those rather than identifying their field explicitly.
Research fellow is probably nearest.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
I guess that works
I wanted a simple word readers could understand though, if possible
It's for a webpage I'm making for a school project.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
3:28 PM
Well, I thought research fellow before @MetaEd posted it. It's standard.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Maybe just 'researcher of philosophy'
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
But that would exclude the musicologists.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Alright
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
There's nothing actually wrong with classicist, except it's a bit old-fashioned. Research fellow says "researcher, with a university position enabling him to do that".
 
Lawrence
Lawrence
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver More terms: Scientist, Empiricist, Mathematician etc. Or even Analyst.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
3:43 PM
Analyst works @Lawrence
Thanks a bunch
 
user227867
4:11 PM
@Lawrence No, just normal speak, not marketing speak. Nothing to market.
 
user227867
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver A researcher.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
That was honestly my first thought after a while
I just had a moment where synonyms escaped me
 
user227867
Usually there is no exact word, so we just use an approximate one.
 
user227867
Those who think otherwise are crazy.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Those who think otherwise are crazy
Fixed
 
user227867
4:13 PM
That is why there are many single word requests on the site. They are crazy.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
I am crazy, therefore I am.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Give me a single word for this block of text
 
user227867
@AndrewLeach I am just crazy.
 
user227867
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver textblock
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
@WillHunting There's not really an answer to that.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
4:15 PM
Also the block of text has 50,000 grammatical errors and is so terribly formatted you can't tell what I'm trying to say
kthxdontdownvotepls
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver not professor?
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
He didn't teach though
He studied and wrote works
He was like a Reaction Youtuber for philosophy
 
user227867
My NOAD has shipped, now waiting for its arrival.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
What's a NOAD?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver The article keeps saying he's a professor though
 
user227867
4:17 PM
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver New Oxford American Dictionary.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Tch
Casual
Not even getting the Old Oxford American Dictionary
 
user227867
I hope it is not too big and heavy for me to carry around and show off under my arm.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
If you look at the definition of literally there's now an additional definition which is pretty much the opposite of what literally used to mean
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
Idiotic teenagers pls
 
user227867
Apparent has two quite opposite meanings.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
So does 'A Parent'
 
user227867
4:19 PM
I like to see how different dictionaries define apparent.
 
user227867
If something is apparent, it can be true, or it can be false.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
you see the joke is that each gender can be a parent so therefore each definition "mom/dad" is the opposite
 
user227867
I can't believe Collins has been publishing dictionaries for almost 200 years!
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
@WillHunting Schrodinger's Apparentness
 
user227867
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver How is school? Do you have a girlfriend now?
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
4:21 PM
I had one for a while
We drifted apart
School's fine
Still boring but I guess it could be worse
 
user227867
You need to sing to her 'Sweatshirt' by Jacob Sartorius.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
I help upkeep this server now
I mostly just upload picture files though
 
user227867
I am his fan now. I like all his songs.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
 
user227867
I also like his 'Hit or miss'.
 
user227867
4:24 PM
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Have you finally watched those movies? I guess the answer is no.
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:35 PM
@WillHunting Apparently
 
Kit Z. Fox
Kit Z. Fox
Literature.SE is in the commitment stage!
5
 
Helmar
Helmar
4:52 PM
@KitZ.Fox woohoo
Tried to update the community ads, but the image area51 provides is still the one with the followers
Literature.SE needs commited users, check it out: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93238/…
Maybe star the link too
 
Mitch
Mitch
5:11 PM
@WillHunting From the NYT: "Antarcticans are too violent when they protest, and it’s a sign of their leaders’ irresponsibility. These people have no real goals"You should file a complaint.
 
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
5:25 PM
Will watch movie eventually
I just don't watch many movies
 
 
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tchrist
tchrist
6:26 PM
-3
Q: So That vs. Consequently

Hussain BiedouhI know that "so" has many different meanings, so in the following context, which is the correct answer and why? I think it is (a) or (b); it just feels like they are both correct. He suffered severe injuries; [Your Choice], he made a complete recovery. (a) so that (b) consequently (c) unless ...

meaning-in-context
What should be done with that question?
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
Looks like a better fit for ELL as it is both about an ESL class and asked by an ELL.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It has two off-topic votes, one for General Reference and the other for ELL Migration.
The reason I ask is because I'd like not to pass ELL things that will just get closed there.
And I honestly don't know whether that one would be welcome there or not.
 
Færd
Færd
6:44 PM
Can I/you would have thought be used to mean I/you would think, that is, for present counter-expectations? Or should it be reserved for recounting the past?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist Can you ask on ELL chat or an ELL mod?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Done.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
7:05 PM
@tchrist Purely my opinion, that's crap not to be migrated.
But then I'd think that "would it be welcome there?" is a wrong question to ask.
 
Helmar
Helmar
@tchrist it has code markup, delete it right away ;)
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
If the question is to ever encounter someone who cares about moderation, it wouldn't be welcome.
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Q: Tag editing workflow is the worst

MitchTagging questions makes categorizing questions feasible. To make them important, as they should be, you have to make assigning tags easy and curating tags easy. The question UI workflow makes assigning tags easy. The person asking the question must give at least one tag, the search auto-complete...

feature-request tags
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:20 PM
@Rubisco What's your opinion?
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
@Mitch as unfun as it seems, people on meta.SE don't appreciate the complaint method of writing.
They get so many rants, they just get triggered and hover over the downvote button wherever there's a complaint, warranted or not.
I know I do.
That said, I have a bit of issue getting to the crux of the matter at hand.
They do get reviewed, but the bar is 5,000 rep, not 2,000, so someone like me can't review tag edits on ELL.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Rubisco Yes, that may be a problem with the post. But that's a meta-difficulty, how to explain to someone that something is difficult, because in trying to explain it, the explanation clarifies things.
The situation is not clear to me in thought so it is difficult to explain.
 
Helmar
Helmar
@Mitch I think the main problem was, that the tag wiki edits do go in the queue already
 
Mitch
Mitch
But to simplify, I find the whole tag system difficult to navigate.
 
Helmar
Helmar
So you mixed an issue with a not so much issue
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:26 PM
@Helmar Yes, I do see that.
 
Helmar
Helmar
Crap my SEDE query runs out of time :/
Just because they don't story tag creation dates ...
@Mitch I do agree however, that regular tags should be brought to review attention as well as tag synonym votes.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
@Mitch This is very true.
Heck, Google is far superior to SE's search, on a slightly related note.
But well, let me count. Lacking a clearly discussed problem, lacking a proposed solution, and false premise . . . well, half-false . . . and a different style of writing than native to meta.SE.
Say, 4 of the downvotes are legit.
I know it, I've seen it. You guys can and do rant on meta.ELU, and a lot. It's usually not taken seriously, and when it is, it's slightly unwarranted sympathy, and thus not accompanied with a downvote.
But that's not meta.SE.
Meta.SE is bureaucratic.
Prolly since most meta.SE regulars are people from SO.
TL;DR; there is a problem, I agree, but we have no better solutions.
 
Helmar
Helmar
Great pep talk ;)
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
7:41 PM
If the purpose of your meta post was to voice a concern and saying there's a problem, that much I guess everyone that hasn't hid their head in sand agrees with.
But this stuff is something you think of a solution for far too long, apathy takes over way sooner than a sane solution hitting your mind.
@Helmar I'm a pro
 
Helmar
Helmar
The problem is that the usual attention span online is just a bit too ... oh a blue bird :)
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
WHERE
 
Helmar
Helmar
Arrrg, I swear the tag related tables in the SEDE are worse than every other table
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
Tags were meant to be . . . just tags.
Like cloth tags.
Then they got bigger.
And SE got bigger.
More sites for things way less objective than programming.
And they started to stop making sense
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Rubisco Well, to rant, tags are a thing.
I've said too much
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
7:46 PM
You did
Go to sleep
 
Helmar
Helmar
The damn table named "tags" does not have a "creationdate" every other table besides joining tables has a "creationdate" for every entry^^
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Helmar DBs used to always have a hidden 'meta-table' for every table, that recorded when each individual item was CRUDed.
 
Helmar
Helmar
@Mitch Yeah, they probably have that, but that's not exposed in the SEDE :/
 
Mitch
Mitch
I guess that was overkill, but it still seems like it's a pain to have to engineer every time
@Helmar In the early 80's all the RDBMs's had em, but got rid of them in the 90's
 
Helmar
Helmar
They must have the information somewhere
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:49 PM
@Helmar SEDE is a SQL front end so it accepts only the amount they expose
 
Helmar
Helmar
There is a "created X years ago" information on the tags
@Mitch I know
I just don't see the reason to hide that date^^
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Helmar meaning that we can't expect them to expose absolutely everything.
 
Helmar
Helmar
I don't
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Helmar Yes, you'd presume they'd try to be consistent and if timestamp exposed on other fields, they'd expose it for just that one also
 
Helmar
Helmar
There is the stats. Created 6 years ago^^
It's not a secret
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:52 PM
@Helmar haha... no one reads the tag info, least of all those who are making an SWR
 
Helmar
Helmar
Not the point I was trying to make :D
I just meant the date is just there
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Rubisco In my ineffectual defense, I did propose a (probably poor) solution at least for the voting.
But yes, it was ranty and probably incoherent.
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
@Mitch You did?
 
Helmar
Helmar
He did
 
Rubisco
Rubisco
He did?
 
Helmar
Helmar
7:56 PM
I remember something being in there
 
Mitch
Mitch
hidden somewhere.
something like 'put tag synonym voting in your review queue'
also tag edit reviews (but they are there already)
also make the criteria to give reviewing permissions to be total rep, not tag rep (but that was discussed already elsewhere)
except ...
in the long tail with lots of new tags with little voting if any, no one can vote. So the arithmetic prevents voting.
 
Helmar
Helmar
8:14 PM
gnmpf, the SEDE nvarchar variables have another case sensitivity than their columns...
 
tchrist
tchrist
8:50 PM
0
A: What do you call a person who suggests ideas?

Dr. C. E. DavisOne who suggests could be called a proposer, nominator, or advocate. I suggest or propose that we elect someone to provide a denotation for one who suggests.

I read denotation as DETONATION.
3
 
user227867
I didn't, until you said so.
 
Helmar
Helmar
9:02 PM
I guess you are quite expecting to elect something explosive :D
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist What's wrong with suggester?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Tonepoet Instead of a denotator you're a nominator
 
Helmar
Helmar
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Q: Warning or confirmation on new tag creation

MPelletierIn retrospect of this massive cleanup operation, I would like to ask the community how they feel about a warning or confirmation (or just special highlighting) on new tag creation. Everybody hates stock "are you sure?" confirmation, but a lot of tags get created by mistake (and then used ad naus...

discussion feature-request status-completed tags
This is not active on ELU, is it?
I created the money tag and two on meta, I have never seen anything of the like.
Is it a browser thing or is it simply not active on ELU?
Oh, I can't read
"This feature is currently enabled on Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, Unix & Linux, Mi Yodeya, Ask Ubuntu, Physics, Sound Design, Pets, and Mathematics."
Although that leads me to ask, why not on ELU? They have got the technology.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Because we have not requested it.
Most new questions are ESL proofreading questions. This is somewhat depressing.
 
Helmar
Helmar
Well, I'll write up a post immediately :)
 
tchrist
tchrist
9:14 PM
@Helmar thanks
 
Helmar
Helmar
0
Q: Activate the StackExchange new tag warning on ELU

HelmarIn this meta.SE post is a neat functionality to stop people from creating new tags is described. Unfortunately it's not active on ELU. Fortunatly, Laurel has this brought to ELU attention over here in an answer. This feature is currently enabled on Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, Unix

feature-request
 
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist I propose a new Stack Exchange website for these questions! We can call it... oh wait, we already tried that. =P
 
Helmar
Helmar
@tchrist Maybe it's certificate season
 
Martin AJ
Martin AJ
A religious question: Is there any term to say to someone how has visited a holy place? Something like this: "Accepts Pilgrimage" (I'm not sure this is correct)
 
Helmar
Helmar
@MartinAJ Someone who has been sometime in the past?
 
Martin AJ
Martin AJ
9:28 PM
emm, I guess you didn't understand what I'm looking for .. look, there are some places in my religion that are holy. when a person goes to that places, other people tell him: "I hope the God accept your pilgrimage"
Now I want to know, is there any specific term for that?
 
Helmar
Helmar
Oh, I my tired eyes read something different.
I guess that's totally dependent on the religion.
 
Martin AJ
Martin AJ
yes
 
tchrist
tchrist
9:49 PM
@Helmar I never thought of that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MartinAJ This is still not clear. Are you looking for a noun to label a person? Something like a 'hajji' (a person who has been on a hajj)? Or are you looking for a word that describes the act of going to someplace holy (that is, not the person but the process or act)
What is the phrase in the original language you are trying to translate? What is the source religion?
In English, the act is called a 'pilgrimage' (that is how the hajj is described in English )
But a person in the middle of a pilgrimage is called a 'pilgrim'.
Unfortunately this word is most often heard in the context of some of the first Europeans to settle the New England area, so some context might be needed if you translate to 'pilgrim'.
 
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