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Tonepoet

00:00

@tchrist You'd think if he couldn't stand anymore, he'd be sitting rather than once sat. Also I suppose you mean that twit seems like a past tense form of tweet? I suppose that makes some sense and I may have heard that before, although now that I'm reading the dictionaries, it seems that they all prefer tweeted.

tchrist

A twit whose time is past is merely a twat.

Tonepoet

@tchrist How rude! ;-)

tchrist

Strong verbs for strong times.

Cerberus

@tchrist Gratias!

tchrist

De nieve.

Cerberus

00:06

Qua lingua?

Não Portugês?

tchrist

It’s a joke.

IT di niente of nothing => ES de nieve of snow.

So long as it rhymes, it counts. :)

Cerberus

Iam videbatur nix.

tchrist

Yet ever hope aeternal springs.

Lift thine eyes towards the mountains whence cometh snow.

Mozart is going to kill me.

Felix, too.

Sometimes I wish I had a 10k sock.

It’s hard to see things normally now.

Cerberus

Just create a sock?

Or I could lend you eyes.

tchrist

It would take too much work to build it up to 10k.

But you could.

I’ll remember that.

Cerberus

00:20

Camera Latina tibi placuerit.

Dum vivit.

in CONLOQVIVM, 2 mins ago, by Joonas Ilmavirta

Dependet de modo, quo potentiam loquendi definis, sed dixerim me septem fere linguis loqui posse.

tchrist

It hurts my head too much. :)

I mean, it’s fun, I grant you.

If only Cthulhu were running for president, nobody would have to settle for the lesser evil.

Cerberus

in CONLOQVIVM, 58 secs ago, by Joonas Ilmavirta

Amicus quidam meus thesaurum Catalano-Latinum habebat.

Non solum de Latina loquimur!

tchrist

Now that's fine bootie for you.

Probably buried by corsairs off the Barbary Coast.

Cerberus

Who kept more Europeans in slavery than were blacks in North America?

tchrist

I’m not sure that you can compare the Phoenician, Greek, and Roman slaver cultures with that of the American plantations.

Roman “Italy” had about the same number of slaves by raw count as the American South did at Emancipation. However, the former was a greater proportion.

> This slave trading by the Moors/Jews of Spain lasted for almost 800 years and involved an estimated 4 million European boys and girls.

When Europeans Were Slaves: White Slavery More Common Than Previously Believed

And then of course there were the “indentured servants”.

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves.

Troubling.

Cerberus

00:48

@tchrist Oh, are you sure about those numbers?

It is true that the Romans had many slaves.

As did anyone in those times.

tchrist

@Cerberus Like 3.9 million in both cases.

And no, I’m hardly certain.

It’s only the internet.

Cerberus

Everyone had slaves.

And what are the poor now?

What freedom do they have?

What constitutes a slave?

tchrist

That’s a reasonable question, but I don’t believe the poor qualify.

> India has the most slaves of any country, at roughly 18.4 million.[9] China is second with 3.4 million slaves, followed by Pakistan (2.1 million), Bangladesh (1.5 million), and Uzbekistan (1.2 million). By percentages of the population living in slavery, North Korea tops with 4.4% (about 1.1 million people out of 25 million), followed by Uzbekistan (4% of its population), Cambodia (1.6%), India, (1.4%) and Qatar (1.4%).

Contemporary slavery

Contemporary slavery, also known as modern slavery, refers to the institutions of slavery that continue to exist in the present day. Estimates of the number of slaves today range from around 21 million-29 million to 46 million. Modern slavery is a multibillion-dollar industry with estimates of up to $35 billion generated annually. The United Nations estimates that roughly 27 to 30 million individuals are currently caught in the slave trade industry. India has the most slaves of any country, at roughly 18.4 million. China is second with 3.4 million slaves, followed by Pakistan (2.1 million),...

> The governments with the strongest response to modern slavery are the Netherlands, the United States, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Australia, Portugal, Croatia, Spain, Belgium and Norway.[9]
In contrast, the governments taking the least action against it are North Korea, Iran, Eritrea, Equatorial Guinea, Hong Kong, Central African Republic, Papua New Guinea, Guinea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo and South Sudan.[9]

Slavery in ancient Rome

Slavery in ancient Rome played an important role in society and the economy. Besides manual labor, slaves performed many domestic services, and might be employed at highly skilled jobs and professions. Accountants and physicians were often slaves. Greek slaves in particular might be highly educated. Unskilled slaves, or those sentenced to slavery as punishment, worked on farms, in mines, and at mills. Their living conditions were brutal, and their lives short. Slaves were considered property under Roman law and had no legal personhood. Unlike Roman citizens, they could be subjected to corporal...

Cerberus

I think a slave cannot have freedom of movement by law.

That is perhaps his essence?

Or what else is?

Of course he must also serve.

tchrist

Slaves exist as a means of extracting work without pay.

Cerberus

00:57

Au pairs?

Volunteers?

tchrist

You cannot make those work.

Cerberus

Are we SE's slaves?

Why not?

You want it done; they do it.

tchrist

America has two million slave laborers.

Cerberus

Yes, I think forced labour constitutes slavery.

tchrist

Is there another kind?

Cerberus

01:00

Some labour is voluntary.

tchrist

> Some states require, as with Arizona, all able-bodied inmates to work.

How convenient.

Penal labor in the United States

Penal labor in the United States, when intended as a form of slavery or involuntary servitude, is explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. This form of legal slavery is only allowed when used as punishment for committing a crime. The 13th Amendment states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." Unconvicted detainees awaiting trial cannot be forced to participate in forced rehabilitative labor programs...

Cerberus

I wonder why people use the word "inmate". It sounds like a euphemism?

A terrible one, almost Orwellian.

tchrist

Dickensian, actually.

> 1580s, "one allowed to live in a house rented by another" (usually for a consideration), from in (adj.) "inside" + mate (n.) "companion." OED suggests the first element is perhaps originally inn. Sense of "one confined to an institution" is first attested 1834.

Cerberus

Dickens 1834?

So ugly.

tchrist

Oh, I didn't mean he wrote it. Just that it's from his bleak time.

Cerberus

01:06

Bleak indeed.

My family employed many poor labourers in the 19th century.

I wonder how bad it was.

tchrist

Which family would that be? I have some 100 direct ancestors from the 19th century.

It is not uncommon to engage the poor in labor; less common by far to engage the affluent.

Mitch

@Cerberus we are all uninmate?

@tchrist Only 100? I have ... _2^... 25 years per generation...4 gens per 100 years ...

1M ancestors around the norman conquest

tchrist

The 19th century.

Mitch

(yes, primarily Anglo-Irish)

wait...checking math...

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, my mother's family.

tchrist

01:14

> “And I am bored to death with it. Bored to death with this place, bored to death with my life, bored to death with myself.”

Mitch

1K per 500 years

so 1M ancestors 1K years ago

tchrist

> Fog everywhere. Fog up the river, where it flows among green aits and meadows; fog down the river, where it rolls defiled among the tiers of shipping and the waterside pollutions of a great (and dirty) city. Fog on the Essex marshes, fog on the Kentish heights. Fog creeping into the cabooses of collier-brigs; fog lying out on the yards, and hovering in the rigging of great ships; fog drooping on the gunwales of barges and small boats.

Mitch

1B 1500 y ago

tchrist

@Mitch You have many fewer.

Mitch

I'm not accounting for (unknown) interbreeding

1 T 2000 y ago

tchrist

01:16

@Mitch You are your own cousin, your own uncle and nephew.

Mitch

If I lived on Easter Island maybe

tchrist

> “If the world go wrong, it was, in some off-hand manner, never meant to go right.”

Cerberus

Ó Portela vem à janela
Ó Portela vem à janela
Que o povo fica contente
Por ouvir de novo a tua voz tão quente

tchrist

Yes?

You’ll get depressed you know.

Assim pedia toda a gente lá na aldeia
Que se juntava mesmo em frente a sua casa
Sofrendo aquele; quem espera desespera
Pelo rouxinol que não mais abria a asa

blames the rossignols for all of this

user227867

01:45

@Tonepoet It is now at 40 votes. It is finished.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Neat!

tchrist

@JasperLoy closes, deletes.

user227867

deletes account soon

Tonepoet

Hmm, are you sure? Isn't there like a badge for 40 votes on a question? XP

Cerberus

@tchrist Ahh that must be the same word.

I only learned the Portuguese word what I came across that song.

The French word I knew, but barely. The sound.

tchrist

01:48

Spanish has ruiseñor there.

Cerberus

Not well enough to conex it.

Sounds like a noisy old man?

tchrist

luscinia

Noun: luscinia f ‎(genitive lusciniae); first declension

nightingale

SmokeDetector

06:26

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Words or terms for kinds of knowledge or thinking by Karabi Baruah on english.stackexchange.com

Tarun

08:55

"He does not drink, nor he smiles." Could someone explain me why is this sentence wrong ?

I tried to correct it by phrasing it as "He does not drink, nor does he smile".

I am not sure if its correct or not. I am also not aware of any rule that first statement is voilition

user233358

11:09

@JasperLoy why so soon? wait a few weeks and we'll delete our accounts together ;)

user227867

@Arrowfar We will see!

user233358

Howdy!

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