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Cerberus

19:00

@MetaEd But often the most obvious things one would need to correct for or select against aren't even mentioned, or in an unsatisfactory manner. That makes me suspicious. I'm often not impressed with the conclusions they draw from experiments, though the experiments themselves are very interesting.

@Kitḫ Hmm you speak wise words.

Kitḫ

I've deceived plenty of ethics committees.

MetaEd

It might be fun to perform unethical experiments on ethics committees.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/…

Cerberus

@Kitḫ To change the subject completely, I heard those missing people were found not knowing who they were any more. They were presumably given monkey brains.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ to trick someone into having their balls probed?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:02

@MattЭллен No, you don't have to trick them into attaching a device to their penis. You can tell them that. You just have to trick them about the reason they're doing it.

When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Sure. You recruit them for a sex study where they will view porn.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Yeah I wonder what excuse they used. I would certainly not be amused if I thought it was for some medical experiment. I might be prepared to set aside my shame for that. But not for this.

Kitḫ

But it is possible that they were actually aroused by watching porn when they knew someone was watching them.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 yeah, that's fair enough

Kitḫ

Pervs.

Matt Эллен

19:04

heh

gets me every time

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Yeah but there are controls for that too. they were shown gay, straight, and lesbian porn, and there were two groups of men.

Wow it seems this is an old study? hm. Why did it get so much airtime last year....

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 But maybe they liked having other people watch them watching porn while pie was cooling in the other room.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 probably some liberal bleeding heart trying to let queers get married

Kitḫ

Hey! I'm queer and I'm married! You don't see me going around eroding the foundations of...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ But shouldn't that have led to an overal arousal for all kinds of porn? Unless it's apple pie, cuz, wowzers that's hawt

Kitḫ

19:07

Uh.

Never mind.

Matt Эллен

:D

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It was overall arousal for all kinds of porn.

So maybe homophobes are just sex machines.

Matt Эллен

maybe homophones are fax machines

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Kitḫ

spits coffee

Matt Эллен

science in action!

Kitḫ

19:10

We need to get Matt into a LTCR.

He needs an outlet.

Or a receptacle.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Haha.

Kitḫ

I'm not sure which.

Matt Эллен

LTCR?

Kitḫ

Long Term Committed Relationship.

Matt Эллен

oh! right, one of those

Kitḫ

19:10

Not to be confused with GFCI.

Matt Эллен

Obviously?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ No, the homophobes were more aroused by gay porn, the non-homophobes were not aroused by gay porn (but were aroused by lesbian porn and straight porn)

Cerberus

Seriously, I think Kit is raising all of reasonable alternative explanations.

Then there could be a hundred others that we cannot think of.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ oh! gosh no, don't plug me into one of those

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Everyone was aroused by all the porn, except for the non-homophobes who were not aroused by hot man-on-man action.

Cerberus

19:12

I will be convinced once something is revealed about the mechanism by which homophobes are aroused by gay porn more than their tolerant peers.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus sigh: correlation != causation. But the experiment showed the correlation.

@Cerberus I don't think you understand the point of the experiment.

Kitḫ

There is nothing that says homophobes were more aroused.

Cerberus

Then what is that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ exactly.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ I keep looking, but I'm always disappointed I'm not getting aroused.

bisexuals have way more fun

Kitḫ

19:13

@MattЭллен Are you looking at the porn?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus The point is that the experiment found that homophobia was positively correlated with homosexual (gay) arousal in "straight" men.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ well, how else can I tell?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

i.e. the more homophobic, the more gay arousal.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ wait, which is the porn again?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен How else can you tell what? I got lost.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:14

And the men LIED, or WEREN'T AWARE, of their arousal

but their penises betrayed them. As penises so often do.

Kitḫ

Those sneaky penises!

Penes! Penides! However you do that.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, OK, but: 1. I would have to read the whole paper to be convinced that the groups in this experiment can be extrapolated to the whole population; and 2. those are confusing results—what does it mean? What conclusions can we draw from that?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ no that IS what the study said. homophobes were MORE aroused by gay porn than non-homophobes. and it was positively correlated.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ I don't know. I am sat here wondering if girls and electrical sockets are similar

aedia λ

coughs, laughs, water up nose

Kitḫ

19:15

@MattЭллен Yes. They are.

aedia λ

This was an amazing time to return

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, the study does not say that homophobes were more aroused by gay porn than any other kind of porn. Therefore, my suggestion that they are sex machines could in fact be valid.

Homophobes like all porn.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ We're speaking across each other. I meant they are more aroused by the gay porn.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Than the non-homophobes are. Yes. I know.

Cerberus

At any rate it is an interesting experiment.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:17

@Cerberus What does it mean indeed. I can think of several explanations. Does it apply to every single man out there? probably not. I mean, obviously a bi- or gay man would be both aroused by gay porn AND probably not homophobic.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus It is one I wish I could have participated in.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ if only you were in the other room

Cerberus

@Kitḫ If only God had made you a homophobic man.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен While the pie was cooling?

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ I'll be staring through the hole

Cerberus

19:19

The fact that those people look like extremely boring people really adds to the scene.

Kitḫ

Dirty, dirty boy.

I forgot that Mr. Shiny made me straight too.

I guess I should break that date with my girlfriend.

I haven't seen her in over a month.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ although I meant the old WMT room

MetaEd

yesterday, by Kitḫ

Bonobo!

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Oh. Right. Well, there's the other one.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Yay a date!

I haven't had a date in ages.

Not complaining, by the way.

Ugh, Barrie is always so caustic.

Kitḫ

19:23

It's not really a date.

Maybe I'm not queer anymore.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ what? how did I do that?

Cerberus

Why not?

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't remember. I just remember that it was you.

Cerberus

I suppose it is a compliment.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ I don't remember doing it.

I guess I can put that on my resume.

Matt Эллен

19:24

@Cerberus what's that?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен When people are nice to one another. You'll learn.

After all, you are a bright boy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Matt Эллен

@Cerberus har har har. I mean what do you suppose is a compliment?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Kit's saying that Mr S. turned her straight.

Hmm looks like I might not have to venture into the cold to palaeographe.

Matt Эллен

I see

Cerberus

19:26

We're supposed to go to my friend's, but I don't know the address and she's not picking up her phones.

Yay!

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 "I don't see why they can't pull the same trick in reverse." Brilliant plan!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ and that's why I posted this video :)

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus more time with Cerb for us!

Kitḫ

And Tim Minchin is just the kind of guy who could do it!

aedia λ

shh! I'm trying to listen a second time :)

Matt Эллен

19:32

hey! @aedia

@aedia what ya doin?

@aedia hey!

Kitḫ

giggles

aedia λ

giggles and tries not to spit out coffee

Cerberus

"Slightly Annoyed from Berrick(?)-on-Tweeds(?)."

@MattЭллен Yay!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus it's how people sign letters to newspapers here

well, a mockery of it

Kitḫ

We're trying to figure out the town name.

Cerberus

19:35

@MattЭллен Yeah I know, and the "slightly annoyed" sounds very funny for some reason.

And what is that place?

@Kitḫ Ah jinx!

Matt Эллен

Berwick upon tweed

Cerberus

Ah!

Where is that?

Kitḫ

@Cerberus It's funny because why would someone write a letter to the paper if they were only slightly annoyed?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus northumberland (I just looked it up)

Cerberus

Does it stand for something, like a backward area?

@MattЭллен Yeah OK.

Kitḫ

19:37

It's just a funny name!

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Yeah exactly!

Kitḫ

Like jammy dodgers!

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Hmm yeah.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus map of it

aedia λ

@Kitḫ giggles I can't help but think of pajamas

Cerberus

19:38

> Berwick is a town in the county of Northumberland and is the northernmost town in England

Kitḫ

Oh, pretty.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Cerberus

@MattЭллен I like it. Trying to find the ramparts.

Ah! I see them. They look 17th century.

Kitḫ

Here is the skyline of my hometown.

Pretty unimpressive, no?

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ the lake looks lovely

Kitḫ

19:43

@MattЭллен It is a river.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ oh! d'oh. well that looks lovely :D

Kitḫ

Thanks.

Here is another unimpressive picture. The brick church and way off in the distance, the water tower.

Matt Эллен

that's pretty, a good winter-scape

Kitḫ

I don't think we have any other landmarks.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

shinyandnew.ca/gallery/var/resizes/Friends-and-Family/…

Matt Эллен

19:45

404'd

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm

Kitḫ

But the Toronto skyline is pretty nice. You've got that big tower.

aedia λ

Cerberus

@Kitḫ The water is nice.

@MattЭллен Yay Oxford!

@Kitḫ Pretty! I like it!

aedia λ

^ I can't find a good skyline picture but here is a familiar Hudson river sight

Matt Эллен

19:47

@Cerberus :D yeah! I call it my home town, but I wasn't born here. Don't tell the locals

Cerberus

@aediaλ River! Water! Bridge! Very nice colour setting.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен It looks f'ing awesome.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Cerberus

@MattЭллен I know, they lynch a few university people every year at Balech or whatever their Celtic holidays are called.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yay water! High buildings! I know that antenna thing. It's pretty well know around the world, I think.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ Yeah. The spires are legendary. So pretty. I really should go up the Carfax Tower one day and get a good look.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:50

@Cerberus heheh "That antenna thing" was, until recently, the tallest free-standing structure in the world.

aedia λ

@Cerberus I found more on Panoramio of the river! (<-- it's the Amtrak train!)

Kitḫ

Here is the gigantic city I will live in, in the next couple of years.

Farther down the river, but still close to my hometown.

Matt Эллен

that's really picturesque

Kitḫ

It's a lovely town. I am looking forward to moving there.

Matt Эллен

This is my birth town

mmmm, scummy

@Kitḫ you just looking for a house?

Kitḫ

19:53

@MattЭллен I can't tell what I am looking at. Roofs? Chimneys?

@MattЭллен No, making some rather complicated arrangements.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ yeah, just a skyline pic

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Really? How tall is it? And what is it called again?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's the CN Tower

Cerberus

@aediaλ Yay trains!

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 it's a great view

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:55

CN Tower

The CN Tower is a communications and observation tower in Downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Standing tall, it was completed in 1976, becoming the world's tallest free-standing structure and world's tallest tower at the time. It held both records for 34 years until the completion of Burj Khalifa and Canton Tower. It remains the tallest free-standing structure in the Western Hemisphere, a signature icon of Toronto's skyline, and a symbol of Canada, attracting more than two million international visitors annually. Its name "CN" originally referred to Canadian National, the railway com...

aedia λ

@MattЭллен I'm jealous of your Oxford skyline

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Looks idyllic! And gigantic (assuming the picture was taken from a great distance, and the trees and buildings are giant models of actual, smaller buildings and tree)! So you are going to move?

Matt Эллен

@aediaλ :D the tourists all over the ground get in the way of my appreciation most days ;)

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Nice-looking chimneys you've got there!

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Ohh yes I remember.

I feel like an ignorant peasant now.

Oh, and the good news is: phone tells me I don't have to go!!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus yay!

Cerberus

19:57

It's -10 outside, supposedly, so I'm not complaining.

Matt Эллен

golly

Kitḫ

@Cerberus In a year or more, probably.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's ok. I don't think you're a pheasant. Oh, you said peasant. hm.

Cerberus

Town hall where I grew up.

Matt Эллен

wow!

Cerberus

20:03

aedia λ

@Cerberus We had a high of +18 today. I didn't wear a coat when I went out midday tries unsuccessfully to hide gloating expression

Cerberus

And the town.

Matt Эллен

that's ornate

Cerberus

@aediaλ You're lucky gloating unicorns look cute.

Or I...

MetaEd

Somebody write a question asking for the difference between pheasant, pissant, peasant, and pleasant.

Cerberus

20:04

@MattЭллен Thanks!

aedia λ

@Cerberus Your star-shaped town looks like something out of a fairy tale! Are you sure that's real?

@Cerberus giggles

Cerberus

@aediaλ The star is in fact the most effective way of defending oneself against 16th-century cannon while protecting one's own cannon.

Matt Эллен

form square against cavalry!

Cerberus

For square?

Matt Эллен

jinx

Cerberus

20:08

Ah.

Indeed.

My using cannon plural/collective is a bit technical or old fashioned, isn't it?

Kitḫ

No.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Matt Эллен

no

aedia λ

I don't know anything about cannon, so I can't really say

Cerberus

OK.

But I do hear people say cannons too.

Matt Эллен

20:09

they swim in the water like fish, so they're can be plural or not plural too.

Cerberus

Or perhaps guns is more frequent.

aedia λ

It sounds normal to me, but "cannons" would sound fine if I were speaking of Lego cannons

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Hmm what?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus just me spouting nonsense

aedia λ

Like "put your two guys over there with their cannons and I'll make my archers shoot from the wall" or something

Cerberus

20:11

@MattЭллен Haha all righty!

@aediaλ Hmm so cannons makes you think of informal usage?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Exactly.

"Cannons" makes me think of someone who has never been in battle.

Cerberus

To celebrate my staying home, I'm going to listen to the rest of Tim's video.

@Kitḫ Ah, right.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Yes. I think I would say it with the "s" in my normal speech in a case like that. It makes it seem more obvious whether they have one or two cannons and I don't think I would notice a problem. But I would probably expect a museum display to talk of a fort being bombarded by plural cannon.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ That's more or less what I meant by suggesting that cannon is more technical, though I placed the spectrum as a whole towards the technical/formal a bit more.

@aediaλ Right, OK, that makes sense.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I think we need an EL&U question about the use of cannon as a plural vs cannons

Cerberus

20:14

It would be closed immediately.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Isn't there one?

Cerberus

"Look it up in a dictionary."

Matt Эллен

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Q: "Cannon" as plural

I'm reading a novel based in ye olde pirate-times, and I have come across the author's usage of "cannon" (without the "s") to refer to multiple cannons. The ship boasted 32 cannon onboard. Is this just an archaic usage that the author is employing for purposes of story-telling? Also, how/wh...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The answer, posted by Will Hunting, will be "Cannons is non-canon. QED."

Cerberus

Haha yes.

Kitḫ

20:16

@MattЭллен Beat me to the punch.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There we have it. cannons predates cannons. Will Hunting is wrong even in my imagination!

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ you've got to get up early in the morning to something something

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew安宇 lol, so true

Kitḫ

codez y u no c colum? iz rite ther. i ken c it.

Matt Эллен

20:20

bang? what goes bang in Oxford? and what was that flash?

Kitḫ

Oh, dear. Duck and cover.

Matt Эллен

I see nothing. I guess it was a single bullet execution

Cerberus

Hey @Spare!

I missed your line.

Spare Oom

Hi

Matt's post kinda made it a moot point.

Cerberus

OK.

Any success in your thing?

I wish I could help more.

Spare Oom

20:23

It didn't work out the way I'd hoped.

@Cerberus It got messy, but died down a bit now.

Cerberus

@SpareOom Hmm OK.

Must have been extremely annoying.

Spare Oom

@Cerberus Yes, it was (and is).

Robusto

@Cerberus I hope 4 U to have always success in your thing.

Cerberus

@Robusto Thanks, man! I really needed that.

@SpareOom Did Kon respond?

Kitḫ

Oh that thing!

Spare Oom

20:28

@Cerberus I didn't report there. I had more evidence form the other site and it wasn't enough, so I didn't bother.

Cerberus

OK too bad.

Spare Oom

@Cerberus Thanks. I know what's needed if there's ever a next time, though.

Cerberus

OK, and what is that?

Spare Oom

@Cerberus 'Twas a problem of bits of "evidence" being scattered and in forms that aren't concrete.

@Cerberus I would have to have something that can't be tampered with. He said, she said doesn't work, obviously, but I didn't now screenshots could be altered without detection, and things like that.

Matt Эллен

@MrShinyandNew - that Coheed and Cambria album was good, I enjoyed it. Thanks.

Robusto

20:33

If a rocket launches on a launchpad and there is no one there to hear it, does it produce onomatopoeia?

Kitḫ

Dec 22 '11 at 2:57, by Kitḫ

Cerberus

@SpareOom Ah OK, yeah, that makes sense.

@Kitḫ Awww.

aedia λ

Fwoosh! Whish whoosh hisssssssss kaboom vrrrrrr wheeee!

Cerberus

Hey, does anyone know Javascript and Greasemonkey?

Robusto

@Cerberus =P

aedia λ

20:35

continues making rocket noises to see if anyone notices

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah you're there!

Spare Oom

@Cerberus I hear Python is a good language to learn.

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Cerberus

I was afraid to ping and bother you.

Robusto

2 mins ago, by Robusto

If a rocket launches on a launchpad and there is no one there to hear it, does it produce onomatopoeia?

Kitḫ

Hahaha.

Cerberus

20:36

@Robusto The script you gave me works great, except when the address doesn't end on .html: then it keeps adding .single an infinite number of times.

Robusto

0

Q: What Sound (onomatopoeia) does a launching Rocket make?

I searched all the internet and comics but couldn't find any onomatopoeia for Rocket blasting into space. Any ideas?

untagged

This question should die. How dare Writers.SE send us their cast-offs?

Cerberus

var href = location.href;
var regex = /(\.single)\.html$/i;
if (!regex.test(href)) {
location.href = href.replace(".html",".single.html");
}

This is your great script.

Robusto

@Cerberus What else would it end on? What other possibilities are there?

Cerberus

So I was thinking, is there a way to cut off everything after .html?

MetaEd

@Robusto No.

Spare Oom

20:37

@Robusto They're losing their chance to coin a new word.

Cerberus

@Robusto

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/01/hooking_up_drunk_shoul‌d_my_friend_call_her_one_night_stand_a_rape_.html?wpisrc=newsletter_rubric

aedia λ

But they searched all the internet!

Matt Эллен

@aediaλ lol, most effort ever

Robusto

@Cerberus Ah, OK. No problem. I didn't realize you had query strings to deal with, because the examples you gave didn't have any.

Cerberus

I don't know why they do that, but it messes things up.

Robusto

20:38

Gimme a sec.

Easy fix.

Matt Эллен

yet, somehow, blast slipped their mind

Cerberus

@Robusto Yeah I had no idea either. Until today, I think they hadn't.

Spare Oom

@aediaλ Maybe they should go to a launch and write down the noise it makes. If they stand very close, they'll be able to hear it better too.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yay!

Robusto

var hrefParts = location.href.split("?");
var regex = /(\.single)\.html$/i;
if (!regex.test(hrefParts[0])) {
	hrefParts[0] = hrefParts[0].replace(".html",".single.html");
	location.href = location.hrefParts.join("?");
}

Try that and tell me how it goes.

aedia λ

20:43

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Robusto

@Cerberus This brings to mind my all-time highest-scoring answer from the SO mother ship.

Cerberus

@Robusto Hmm it doesn't appear to work.

The script is active, but nothing happens, the address doesn't change.

Robusto

Does it work in the other cases? The ones where the old script didn't fail?

Cerberus

@Robusto Hah, you even came out on top in this guy's testing.

@Robusto Lemme see...

@Robusto Nope. No .single is added.

Matt Эллен

@aediaλ goddamn I love science

Robusto

20:48

Gimme a minute. A co-worker just asked me for help.

Cerberus

Oh shit I have run, store closes in 12 minutes. BRB!

Matt Эллен

go, cerb, go!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yay rockets!

Robusto

var hrefParts = location.href.split("?");
var regex = /(\.single)\.html$/i;
if (!regex.test(hrefParts[0])) {
	hrefParts[0] = hrefParts[0].replace(".html",".single.html");
	location.href = hrefParts.join("?");
}

@Cerberus: ^

I found the problem. It was a C&P issue, as usual.

location.href = location.hrefParts.join("?"); fails because, well, there is no frickin' location.hrefParts!

@Cerberus: BTW, why are you reading this crap?

Matt Эллен

I would prefer a one night stand

Robusto

20:58

@MattЭллен Yes, but you're not the target audience.

Matt Эллен

I never am

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