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ktm5124

18:08

Can you think of any other words that come from the Greek root "nous", aside from paranoia?

Mitch

18:36

@ktm5124 "He's suffering from severe totanoia. He's totanoiaing me with his constant knock knock jokes."

Which reminds me of a joke...

Knock.

DEAD

Who's here?

Mitch

Knock knock.

DEAD

Who's there?

Mitch

knock knock knock

DEAD

Who's everywhere?

Mitch

18:37

knock knock knock knock knock

knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock

Fibonacci

DEAD

knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock knock kno…

Mitch

!!rimshot

get it?

DEAD

Oh wow. Chemobot is too famous now.

Mitch

Rabbits couldn't repeat it any better!

DEAD

Maybe I'll tell Hipp to make that command just for you.

Mitch

18:40

@DEAD ???

DEAD

Do you not want a rimshot command?

Mitch

We used to have one.

It's good enough without.

bots should have their own room

DEAD

Ours does.

Mitch

Good for you!

DEAD

Chemobot

Development discussion and testing of Chemobot. Possibly also ...

Mitch

18:47

@ktm5124 noumenon, or noesis

which are not nearly as popular as paranoia

metanoia seems to be a thing.

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tchrist

19:56

Gah.

Q: What is the difference ("Its been" vs "its have been");

What is the difference between highlighted ones? Unfortunately, that was almost 3 and a half years ago. Initially I continued to meditate after the course. But slowly I got out of the practice. Its been quite a while now. Unfortunately, that was almost 3 and a half years ago. Initial...

present-perfect

DEAD

@tchrist Major difference, the first is wrong, but the second is WRONG.

Tonepoet

20:44

@tchrist This makes me wonder if It's, with the apostrophe, could also be considered a contraction of "it has" in some contexts...

tchrist

@Tonepoet That's an odd thing to wonder, really.

I mean, why do you wonder?

She's told me this before, you now.

Tonepoet

Well, thinking back to those articles comparing its and it's, I can't immediately think of a case where you would place been after a possessive noun. I can think of cases where people might say "Annie has been wonderful to me." though and perhaps even cases where people elide that to "Annie's been wonderful to me." Usually the suggested contraction in an "it's vs its" article is simply "it is" to my recollection, although apparently my recollection is wrong after double checking.

Helmar

21:06

taxonomy attack!

Q: Is the vocabulary tag helfpul?

It seems to me that the vocabulary tag is mostly superfluous. I found this old post from 2010 which compares the tags words, which has since been rightfully discontinued, word-choice, single-word-requests and vocabulary. RegDwigнt asserts at the end that the words tag is a simple cop-out for so...

discussion tags

Tonepoet

So the proper answer to that question, if it wasn't deleted to the ground would probably be "both are wrong". You want "It's" which stands for for it has. Honestly speaking, we should've just kept 'tis in the language. Things would be easier to understand if there was a corresponding pronunciation difference, and the rule regarding apostrophe usage is exceptional regardless.

@Helmar Vocabulary is a hypernym of those tags. S.W.R. and Phrase Requests are hyponyms of vocabulary. Redwight should probably consider that people often use both tags if they don't know which to use regardless, so it's not as if people can't "cop out" if we remove it.

Helmar

@Tonepoet I disagree, the tag info explicitly reads one should distinguish from those other tags

Why would I do that if it's a hyponym

In my view it's a tag from beta times which has run its course

Tonepoet

Hmm, you do seem to be right but if we check the tag information, it seems to be for an entirely different sort of question regarding collections of words to help form vocabulary building.

Martin AJ

"first ten elements" OR "ten first elements" ?

Helmar

I tried to edit that, but I realized only after hitting both save buttons that tag wiki edits from me go into review :/

@MartinAJ without context the first in 90% of the cases ;)

It needs a 5k user to approve tag wiki edits as I just found out :D

Martin AJ

21:20

@Helmar thx

Tonepoet

@MartinAJ I agree with Helmar, but it should be noted in those minority cases, you'd be quantifying the number of things called "first elements". Capital Community College has a webpage which details adjectives, including the typical order which you might find helpful.

Martin AJ

tnx

Helmar

It might be about a database query isolating "first posts" from web site commentary, in that case use the second ;)

@Mitch, would you mind having a look at my tag wiki edit for the vocabulary tag. It's a bit weird with my meta post referring to an edit that's still in review

And he's gone. Damn, scared him away.