English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:00 PM

@JasperLoy Are you sure you want to make that request? What if they just double the nagging?

Google doesn't make their money by respecting privacy, after-all. =P

user227867

I just set my browser settings to whatever I have been using for years, and today this starts to happen.

user227867

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Lawrence

@terdon Shush :) . I was trying to have this corrected quietly.

user227867

Quoting them above. ^

user227867

Anyone else got this email from google?

user227867

12:04 PM

I think it is time for google to hire more competent people.

user227867

Having PhD in computer science is not enough, lol.

user227867

Considering how most PhD's are quite stupid, lol.

Andrew Leach

@Lawrence Yes, mods can edit comments. Done. And tonepoet used "teach" before I did.

user227867

@Tonepoet Your comment to the Chinese username guy was inappropriate because you can't tell a person's proficiency from the name.

user227867

@AndrewLeach Hello Andrew, do you know the name of the font in your picture?

Andrew Leach

12:07 PM

It's called "Versals"

Gathering information...

Tonepoet

@AndrewLeach I'm most now.

tchrist

Andrew Leach

@JasperLoy By Tony Nash and copyright The Classic Font Company. I probably got it free from somewhere, though.

user227867

@Tonepoet I will wait a few more days and see if it still happens. Then I will search online for a solution.

user227867

@AndrewLeach Kit was trying to identify a font earlier today, lol. But it's not the same as yours.

Tonepoet

12:14 PM

@tchrist I'm illiterate.

tchrist

Then but regard the pretty pictures.

Tonepoet

I can't deny that.

Andrew Leach

@JasperLoy This one. But that was 2am my time.

user227867

So if I sign in 10 times a day now, I will get the email from google 10 times, ROFLMAO.

Tonepoet

@tchrist However I can't help but feel that should be "Then do naught but...". =P

user227867

12:16 PM

Hey, if anyone else has the same problem, tell me.

user227867

Good morning @Kit. Have a nice day.

Kit Z. Fox

@JasperLoy Good morning. Thank you. And you as well.

Andrew Leach

Hi Kit. Your letter F appears to be hand-drawn and to exist only as that one letter.

tchrist

The trick to finding nice versals is to search for lettrines. It's better than it sounds.

Andrew Leach

I may be able to find something similar to that F if you really want an E.

user227867

12:21 PM

@AndrewLeach It should be called the hand-drawn single letter font then.

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach Thank you (and tchrist both) for looking.

I'm just going to use that other font instead.

Andrew Leach

Doesn't look like I kept the one I had. It was a Serif font (from PagePlus) and the metrics weren't particularly good. OK for single letters, but I hardly ever used it. If you have an alternative, great!

Kit Z. Fox

You want to see it?

Andrew Leach

I'd be interested.

user227867

Woo!

user227867

12:35 PM

Looks like Medusa.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm having a hard time balancing the size of the letters.

It's just a draft anyway.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy well maybe if you stopped deleting your account you would see me more often.

tchrist

heh

RegDwigнt

just maybe.

user227867

@RegDwigнt Did you read what I said above, the problem with google? Maybe you know the solution?

RegDwigнt

12:37 PM

Global brands redesigned as if they were from the USSR

user227867

@RegDwigнt In Soviet Russia, brands redesign you.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy for problems with Google, contact Google. They have staff on payroll I think.

Andrew Leach

@KitZ.Fox The tail on the F would make that difficult, yes. It could make it easier if you put the letters in the gap in the design.

Lawrence

@RegDwigнt That Apple redesign reminds me of @MattE.Эллен's username.

RegDwigнt

Haha right on.

Matt Applen.

iMatt

Kit Z. Fox

12:40 PM

@AndrewLeach I was thinking that, but I really want the letters in the roots.

user227867

There is Microsoft Windows and Apple Macintosh. I am thinking of setting up Orange Doors.

Andrew Leach

@JasperLoy Yours would have to be blue, surely? Orange is taken, anyway.

Kit Z. Fox

@RegDwigнt Is it funny because they are stuck in the 40s/50s?

RegDwigнt

Well yeah the redesign is not really about the USSR now is it, more like just retro.

Just posting shit for people to kill time with.

user227867

Shit? LOL

Kit Z. Fox

12:44 PM

@RegDwigнt It's well done retro.

RegDwigнt

Oh crap I said the magical word that summons Jasper.

user227867

If poo is to pee, then shit is to?

tchrist

Time? It was always better off dead.

Kit Z. Fox

I wasn't sure if there were additional jokes in the cyrillic I can't read.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist especially when they put Hitler on the cover.

user227867

12:45 PM

They say that once you get past the Cyrillic script, Russian is easy to learn.

RegDwigнt

@KitZ.Fox not really. They translated the Apple tagline (quite poorly), and that's about it.

@JasperLoy they only say that because they never got past the Cyrillic script.

user227867

The fox and the eagle both eat small animals.

RegDwigнt

Apr 18 '11 at 21:34, by Robusto

John McWhorter: "English really is easy(-ish) at first and hard later, while other languages like Russian are hard at first and then just as hard later! Show me one person who has said that learning Russian was no problem after they mastered the basics—after the basics you just keep wondering how anybody could speak the language without blacking out."

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah, I still don't have Cyrllic down.

I know that one letter because of Murder on the Orient Express.

user227867

I decided not to study Russian because of two reasons. One is the Cyrillic script.

Andrew Leach

12:48 PM

And Cyrillic in italics is different again.

О?

H.

А?

Andrew's got it.

H which isn't.

user227867

I can say Ruski and Nyet, LOL.

Kit Z. Fox

12:49 PM

I can say "I don't speak Russian" in Russian, but I don't know how to type it.

Andrew Leach

You might be able to say "perestroika".

RegDwigнt

There's a gas station a block away from my house whose sign reads нет.

Tonepoet

It is hurts me to see that.

RegDwigнt

I always read that as, well, нет.

Rather than HEM.

user227867

Ham and Bacon = Thursagen?

RegDwigнt

12:50 PM

@KitZ.Fox ё мама тамбьен

You're welcome.

user227867

I hope Thursagen will return to the site, together with Thursagan, his nephew.

Kit Z. Fox

@RegDwigнt Wow. That's offensive.

RegDwigнt

Nah.

user227867

@RegDwigнt That sounds like a Spanish movie.

RegDwigнt

You think that's offensive? In fucken Russian?

You don't know much about Russian, then.

Kit Z. Fox

12:51 PM

You forgot how you told me that time that ё on it's own is pretty much the most offensive thing.

user227867

Y Tu Mamá También

Y Tu Mamá También (English: And Your Mother Too) is a 2001 Mexican drama film directed by Alfonso Cuarón and co-written by Cuarón and his brother Carlos. The film tells a coming-of-age story about two teenage boys who take a road trip with a woman in her late twenties. It stars Mexican actors Diego Luna and Gael García Bernal and Spanish actress Maribel Verdú, in the leading roles. The film is part of the road movie genre, set in 1999 against the backdrop of the political and economic realities of present-day Mexico, specifically at the end of the uninterrupted 71-year line of Mexican presidents...

RegDwigнt

@KitZ.Fox Well shit I was halfway through typing just that.

There's people I told this secret to?

Kit Z. Fox

You used to like me.

So you told me things about Russian.

RegDwigнt

Awww.

Kit Z. Fox

I would forget them all out of respect for your feelings, but my brain keeps hiding them.

Anyway, that pretty much sums up how I feel about my mother, so we're cool.

Andrew Leach

12:53 PM

I thought everything was rude in Russian, therefore it was impossible to be rude.

RegDwigнt

See, Andrew gets it.

user227867

There is no such word as rude in my dictionary.

Kit Z. Fox

It's either really rude or milk-drinking.

RegDwigнt

Cunting milk.

Kit Z. Fox

spittake

Andrew Leach

12:54 PM

@RegDwigнt You probably said that, too, though.

user227867

Shiitake mushroom?

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy I'm sending a letter to Oxford to issue you a correction. =P

user227867

@Tonepoet I just hope Google won't close my account because of the "suspicious activity".

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Maybe you should complain to tech support.

RegDwigнt

Maybe you should delete your account.

Andrew Leach

12:56 PM

Or just allow Google to set a cookie or several.

user227867

@RegDwigнt No, I will keep this google account for life.

RegDwigнt

We'll see about that.

user227867

I am very sure about this, this time.

RegDwigнt

Yes yes. As I said.

user227867

I shall see if they still email me tmr, then I will decide on a course of action.

Kit Z. Fox

12:57 PM

So now the last thing is to pick out a semi-colon.

I want something that looks like handwriting for that, I think.

I imagine finding a suitable font for that is going to be time-consuming.

user227867

@Kit, you mentioned you wanted to get a semicolon tattoo in chat. Do you know the meaning of the semicolon tattoo?

RegDwigнt

"Tmr"? Srsly?

Wut iz teh wurld cum 2 lol.

Kit Z. Fox

@JasperLoy Yes.

Also, it's my favorite punctuation.

user227867

I was amazed when I found out about the semicolon tattoo, lol.

RegDwigнt

My favorite punctuation is Zero Punctuation.

user227867

12:59 PM

@RegDwigнt It's one of the few abbreviations I use in SMS.

terdon

@KitZ.Fox It also means ? in Greek, which makes the tattoo even better.

RegDwigнt

Oh, boring Monday meeting time. I'll be off, then.

Kit Z. Fox

@terdon Really? That's cool.

terdon

@RegDwigнt what does Russian use for a question mark? Is it ? or ; or something else?

@KitZ.Fox Yep

Andrew Leach

@KitZ.Fox Depends what sort of handwriting you want. Broad-pen calligraphy?

user227867

1:00 PM

I would like to advertise this book again. "Grammatically Correct" by Anne Stilman is the best punctuation book I have ever seen.

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach No, more like legit handwriting. Nothing fancy.

I would do my own, but I don't like my handwriting.

user227867

Forget about "Eat shoots and leaves". That book is no good at all.

terdon

@JasperLoy Oh? I thought it was good. I haven't read it, that's just what I've heard.

user227867

I have seen over 9000 books on punctuation, so you must believe me.

user227867

For many years, I have been looking for the one true punctuation book. I finally found it after many years.

terdon

1:03 PM

What's wrong with Eats shoots and leaves?

Andrew Leach

@KitZ.Fox imgur.com/umbDFwJ

user227867

amazon.com/Grammatically-Correct-Essential-Spelling-Punctuation/…

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach I'm thinking curvier and thinner maybe.

user227867

@terdon I don't know. I can't remember anymore. Because there were too many to remember, lol.

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach More like this

user227867

1:06 PM

Beautiful.

Andrew Leach

That's rather nice.

(Typical British reserve)

Kit Z. Fox

The typical semicolon tattoo is very bulbous, like accent quotes in a magazine article. I don't like it.

user227867

The pronunciation of esplanade and promenade is very interesting. How do you guys read them?

Kit Z. Fox

With an ahd at the end.

user227867

Here, it is esplaneid and promenahd.

user227867

1:09 PM

I think there is esplanahd and promeneid.

user227867

Pronunciation is one of the most misspelled words on ELU.

Kit Z. Fox

A lot of these fonts have the semi-colon as something like the top dot of a colon with a twerpy little comma under it. Way too much space in between the two marks.

I like an elongated comma mark, placed approximately where the lower dot in the colon would otherwise be.

But then a bunch of those look like j or i.

user227867

The comma reminds me of the mosquito pupa

user227867

Eek!

user227867

I just googled mosquito pupa and now I feel like puking.

Andrew Leach

1:18 PM

@JasperLoy Esplan-aid; promen-ard. Promen-aid is a courtly walk/dance thing.

user227867

RESIDENT EVIL 6 'The Final Chapter' TRAILER (Milla Jovovich - Action Horror Movie, 2017)

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Kit Z. Fox

Here's an interesting one

user227867

Trailer for Jan 2017 movie is out! ^

Andrew Leach

@KitZ.Fox That's good. Not a j; definitely a semi-colon. And quite stylish.

Kit Z. Fox

It's called "Parchment" which is probably part of the reason I like it.

user227867

1:20 PM

In all my school essays, I never used a semicolon.

Andrew Leach

@KitZ.Fox Yes, I have that. It would have taken some time to get that far down the alphabet though.

@JasperLoy You mean your teachers never taught you how to use it?!

user227867

@AndrewLeach I can't remember that, but I did not particularly like it. I will try to use it more from now.

Kit Z. Fox

I should probably stop looking. I'm going to overwhelm myself with choices.

Andrew Leach

:-)

user227867

Yeah, don't look too long for a font. It's not the same as looking for a wife.

user227867

1:25 PM

But if you have questions about fonts, you can try the TeX SE chat.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm still rather partial to the first one.

user227867

The F must be for Fox.

Kit Z. Fox

You got it.

user227867

50 people just got killed at a wedding in Turkey. Suicide bomber.

Andrew Leach

Again?

user227867

1:28 PM

Turkey has been bombed many times this year.

Andrew Leach

Yes, but I think you're talking about last Saturday's attack.

user227867

Oh, last Saturday was just now. =)

Andrew Leach

Right. I wish I could sleep through Sunday without noticing :-)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Morning

user227867

I don't understand why people do "research" into the demographics of terrorism. I think the reason for terrorism is clear: hatred.

Kit Z. Fox

1:32 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hi.

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Andrew Leach

Yup. But I suppose there may be demographics in who hates who.

Oh. Let's deal with that.

user227867

So it doesn't matter how old, how rich, or how educated the terrorists are.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy There may be something to learn about it

terdon

@JasperLoy It kinda does. If you don't know who the people filled with hatred are, you can't know how to improve the situation.

Lawrence

1:33 PM

@KitZ.Fox I'm also trying to work on a framework to evaluate the look-up question more holistically, but due to commitments in the next couple of days, it might take a while. I'll see what I can pull together in the next hour or two for the summary.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Hatred is probably too simplistic a way of looking at it. Everyone's complicated.

Kit Z. Fox

@Lawrence No rush.

Thanks for doing it.

user227867

Well, I think the terrorists just kill whoever they want out of hatred, for no good reason. But maybe I am being simplistic.

Kit Z. Fox

@JasperLoy Hatred is fear turned outward.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But what are the reasons for the hatred? And why don't they use some other means of addressing their problems?

user227867

1:34 PM

I myself am filled with much hatred.

Andrew Leach

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 In many cases it seems they believe a higher power has told them to hate people exhibiting certain characteristics, and in order to eliminate the undesirable element it's necessary to kill them. The higher power may even have mandated that solution.

user227867

Sometimes, I find my hatred scary.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@AndrewLeach Sometimes, yes. But I think it's also more complicated than that. Lots of people believe in that same higher power and read the same holy books but don't draw the same conclusions.

Mitch

@JasperLoy What was the other reason? That Russians speak it?

user227867

@Mitch The other reason I must keep a secret. =)

Lawrence

1:37 PM

@KitZ.Fox No problem. By the way, I got a ping from that page that started "@FumbleFingers. You're the fair-player, ...". I think the comment has been deleted. It looks like it was directed to Fumble Fingers; I'm curious why it ended up pinging me. Do you have a copy of that comment that you can send to me privately?

(Heading off for a while.)

user227867

@Lawrence Because it was under your post?

Mitch

@RegDwigнt My favorite punctuation is ...

@JasperLoy That reason is not very reasonable.

Andrew Leach

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 True. I guess no text is ever entirely 100% internally consistent. But demographics can't explain why people read into texts what they do.

user227867

@Mitch You forgot the . at the end.

user227867

@Mitch I knew someone would ask it, and I was prepared to give this answer. =)

Mitch

1:40 PM

@JasperLoy no, I just am waiting to tell you what my favorite punctuation is.

@AndrewLeach often even math.

Kit Z. Fox

@Lawrence I don't know why you got it, but it was edited. Maybe it was originally addressed to you and then he realized he meant to address it to Fumble.

user227867

I think we may be surprised at how much hatred can possess you if you have not been hurt so deeply before that you are filled with hatred later.

Mitch

all this stuff about people are rational. that's crazy.

user227867

It is very easy to say that hatred is stupidity until you yourself get into such a situation.

Mitch

it's more like being hungry. there are rational reasons for being hungry

user227867

1:43 PM

It's partly nature's way of protecting you from further harm.

Mitch

in fact...

I have rational reasons for being hungry at the moment.

user227867

Of course, when the Buddha said hatred is stupidity, I think he knows what he is talking about, but not the average man on the street.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@AndrewLeach Well, it might, if demographics show, for example, economic or other social factors that lead to unhappiness which lead to anger which is then filtered through religion into polarizing us-vs-them ideologies

Mitch

descriptively, my stomach and duodenum-jejunum have little glucose to absorb into my bloodstream, and my glucose measuring devices in my liver have signalled to my brain the feeling of 'hunger'.

Meaning it feels like elevenses.

looks at clock

shakes fist at irrational intestines!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

are you in the Atlantic timezone?

you could go there

then it'd be time for elevenses

Mitch

1:46 PM

hm...it'd take a couple hours.

user227867

@KitZ.Fox I think you are wise to say that. =)

Mitch

But then it'd be lunchtime

Andrew Leach

Alternatively, you could come over here and have threeses.

Mitch

@JasperLoy What does the Buddha know about life? He only lived one.

user227867

@AndrewLeach Or come here for tenses.

user227867

1:47 PM

@Mitch Well, actually he lived many. =)

Mitch

@JasperLoy Fear is hatred turned inward.

user227867

@Mitch Now that is just faking wisdom. =)

Mitch

@JasperLoy Well, actually I've only ever heard about two. He was rich, then he chose to be poor (only the rich have that luxury). then he sat under a tree and didn't eat (which rich or poor can do). Then he had a starvation fever-dream. How far did that get him?

@JasperLoy He's such a poser

user227867

Cod fish is very expensive here. Like ten dollars for one fillet.

Mitch

@AndrewLeach That sounds plausible. Also preferable. But I'll probably have a snack or two on the way. Also a meal.

@JasperLoy Cod isn't that good.

Do you ever get a Fish Filet from McDo's?

user227867

1:51 PM

@Mitch Salmon is equally good and less expensive. So I have salmon instead of cod.

Mitch

er... Filet-o-Fish?

Andrew Leach

@Mitch Which rather negates the point of coming for threeses. Perhaps you would be better off waiting for elevenses.

user227867

@Mitch McD sucks. All fast food here sucks these days.

Mitch

@JasperLoy cod seems boring but salmon seems to have a good taste (as much as fish can)

user227867

Anyone eaten truffles before? The most expensive food in the world?

Mitch

1:52 PM

@JasperLoy I feel like McD's has maintained taste exactly for as long as I can remember.

user227867

I have not.

Mitch

(I did not give a time range for 'how long' because that would give away to much about myself)

(like how often I've been to McD's. It is shocking. You won't believe reason #7!)

user227867

Salmon is very easy to prepare. Just add hot water and wait for a while. Done. Serve with some soy sauce.

Mitch

@AndrewLeach Well, maybe I should plan ahead for elevenses and threeses (is that a thing now? I thought it was a 'quatre-heure'). And in the meantime I'll just get a snack.

If we treated hatred like we did hunger, we'd all have bruises.

@JasperLoy can't you do that with cod?

user227867

@Mitch Maybe.

Mitch

1:56 PM

@JasperLoy I thought caviar was the most expensive.

user227867

Firefox has new design. The + for adding a new tab seems thinner now.

Mitch

Which brings up an interesting point which could easily be answered by a quick google search but I won't. Where does beluga caviar come from? Beluga whales? That doesn't sound right. Also, why don't they call salmon roe 'salmon caviar'? Also, I'd like a cowl of caviar for a snack. Not a big one, just maybe a cereal bowl full.

user227867

Almost everything can be answered with google search, except when the problem is with google itself, LOL

terdon

> Beluga caviar is caviar consisting of the roe (or eggs) of the beluga sturgeon Huso huso.

Mitch

I think that's intentionally misleading. I need to go apologize to some whales.

Also, online dictionaries suck.

You're probably nodding you heads 'of course' in total agreement, but are curious about the one thing that tipped me off this time.

how do you describe the roughness of a surface?

One way is like sandpaper grades: course or fine.

How do you describe how pleasant a person is? coarse or fine.

Wait a minute.. never mind. coarse not course.

I blame spell correcting

for not retyping what I mean instead of what I actually wrote.

terdon

2:11 PM

Off coarse knot!

Mitch

sailors wood no!

terdon

Heh, I was just thinking of that course and those knots too :)

user227867

I just verified my mobile number with google, in case they lock me out.

Mitch

"All science is either physics or stamp collecting"

If you're a bob maker, yeah!

user227867

I will keep you guys updated on whether google still emails me tmr, lol.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:37 PM

@KitZ.Fox btw my copy of "The Magicians" finally arrived from the library, so I'm re-reading it now.

Tonepoet

7:15 PM

@RegDwigнt doesthatmeanyourantabouteverynewvideogamethatcomesoutassoonasitcomesoutwithoutev‌entakingsomuchtimeastopauseforabreath

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Færd

What do you call trousers that are not made of denim or cotton? Suit trousers?

Dress pants?

tchrist

Yes.

Or slacks, a long time ago now.

Færd

Thanks. Suit pants too?

tchrist

Probably.

If it's part of a suit, at least.

Færd

7:30 PM

And does trousers sound odd or too British in Amercan English?

tchrist

No.

Færd

Good! I like it better than pants.

Robusto

8:44 PM

@JasperLoy You might be the last person on Earth I need to take life notes from. But thanks anyway.

Martin AJ

9:10 PM

Which one?
- How can I check internet connection by JS?
- How can I check the internet connection by JS?

sumelic

10:28 PM

@Færd To me it does. But people's opinions vary. As tchrist says, many people find "slacks" old-fashioned terminology, but I would be more likely to call those "slacks" than "trousers." The default for me would probably be "dress pants."

Kit Z. Fox

10:44 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm interested to know what you think second time around.

Tonepoet

11:03 PM

So here's a stupid question. In the world of grammar, who's Lowth?

Kit Z. Fox

shrugs the one opposite Highth?

Tonepoet

Hmm, well Noah Webster mentioned him as if he was well known, so he probably had more prominence in the 19th century. I was hoping, perhaps, for comparison's sake, somebody would recognize the name as being a prominent influence on grammarians. It's somewhat important that I read his work for an answer i wish to write.

Maybe not too much so though.

Kit Z. Fox

11:19 PM

Well, I'm not the kind of person who would know, so don't measure by me.

Tonepoet

Okay, well maybe somebody else in the chat-room will know later, if I'm lucky.

Actually, on second thought, a google search is probably more successful than I anticipated. It's probably Robert Lowth:

Robert Lowth

Robert Lowth FRS (/laʊð/; 27 November 1710 – 3 November 1787) was a Bishop of the Church of England, Oxford Professor of Poetry and the author of one of the most influential textbooks of English grammar. == Life == Lowth was born in Hampshire, Great Britain, the son of Dr William Lowth, a clergyman and Biblical commentator. He was educated at Winchester College and became a scholar of New College, Oxford in 1729. Lowth obtained his BA in 1733 and his Master of Arts degree in 1737. In 1735, while still at Oxford, Lowth took orders in the Anglican Church and was appointed vicar of Ovington, Hampshire...

user227867

11:48 PM

@Færd Looks like a lovely pair of trousers. I want one.

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