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Cerberus

00:00

I suppose those could be comfortable.

aedia λ

My girly shoes are something like this

Cerberus

Oh, nice. But that heel is pretty high.

You what I think must be comfortable?

aedia λ

Hahaha.

@Cerberus It probably makes a difference that mine (at least most of mine that I'm complaining about) don't have leather soles.

But shoes with leather soles in my size don't exactly grow on trees here, and I haven't bought new dress shoes for a while.

Cerberus

Hmm what's your size?

And, the important question: do you want your dress shoes to add length? Or is that not important?

These would be the best kind of shoes that are pumps and dressy, but still quite comfortable.

Not the snake leather, of course.

Just plain leather.

No buckles or belts: those make your leg look shorter.

Or these if you want to a little higher:

aedia λ

@Cerberus The smallest women's shoe size we have here (5/5.5) usually or one of the largest boys' shoe sizes (4 ish depending on brand)

Cerberus

00:09

Hmm let me convert that...

aedia λ

@Cerberus Ehh those look like things that people who aren't me would wear. Also, I think we have a different definition of "comfortable".

Cerberus

Okay, so EU 36. That's small.

aedia λ

In exercisey shoes I'm sometimes a US 6. They tend to run a little smaller in some brands.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Nonsense, you aren't your dress. You can wear whatever you like. But of course don't wear what you don't like!

aedia λ

But not dress shoes.

Cerberus

00:11

By the way, have you ever tried adding an extra inner sole?

That usually helps you gain a size or two.

And it makes shoes more comfortable too.

aedia λ

My poor sad unworn black mary janes have one in them, as they were probably on the edge of being too large.

So yes.

Cerberus

If you want to go even lower while keeping the "high" heel, you could try this:

If you don't want any heel at all, try ballerina shoes:

They can look dressy while being very comfortable.

Almost like socks.

Actually I think those would look good on you.

They're also cheap, so I hear.

aedia λ

The ballerina flats aren't loading (but I am familiar with that phenomenon).

Cerberus

And how about these beauties:

aedia λ

I have problems with some slip-on shoes sometimes. My feet are apparently wide in the front and narrow in the back, so that some flats will flop around like flip-flops and yet still constrict my poor toes...

Cerberus

00:16

aedia λ

OMG

Cerberus

I'm sure these are pretty comfortable.

And dressy.

aedia λ

Absolutely.

Cerberus

youtube.com/…

aedia λ

Oh dear I feel so bad for laughing

Cerberus

00:24

Nonsense.

They can probably laugh about it themselves.

aedia λ

I was looking for a picture of myself so you can see why I and most of those shoes don't quite go together but I realized I have 99% pictures of other people/things and the pictures I do take of myself don't usually really show my legs or feet.

Cerberus

Well, I have seen a picture of you. Not your shoes, that's true.

And I really think ballerinas would be great on you.

Aww sweet!

Yes, definitely ballerinas!

aedia λ

This is just about the girliest I would ever dress lately (xmas portrait time)

Cerberus

Well, it's really nice.

Theta30

I thought you are a he

Cerberus

00:33

Naaahhh.

Pink unicorn, name ending on -a?

Theta30

guys like pink unicorns too

aedia λ

Well I'm not extraordinarily feminine in real life either.

Cerberus

Hmm.

aedia λ

^ here's the specific teva sandals that were under discussion earlier, and the reason I have a photo is I took it to prove to my mom or someone that I was really wearing the skirt I bought

Theta30

I looked for slippers...I had some Turkish ones from Romania which resisted for many years

Cerberus

00:36

Ballerinas!

aedia λ

Hehe.

Cerberus

Try them pleeeeease!

Theta30

nice design

aedia λ

Also, those are my newer sandals, upon retirement of the old ones that I had for like 5 years.

But I haven't brought myself to throw away the old ones yet.

Don't tell my better half.

Cerberus

assumes begging position

@aediaλ It's OK. Just as with old food, store it for a year or two until you've got used to to idea of not having them.

aedia λ

00:40

bursts out laughing out loud for realz

@Cerberus Hehe, okay, next time I go looking for shoes, I'll try these ballerinas out.

Cerberus

Well, let's be honest, that's more or less what happens.

@aediaλ Yay!!

Theta30

the danger is that one of the straps may wear out so they won't keep your foot anymore

Cerberus

The thing is, most girls' shoes look better on girls, and men's shoes on men. And unisex shoes...

aedia λ

Yeah the velcro wasn't holding well on the straps

It was getting annoying how often I had to reach down to fix them.

Cerberus

They're kinda neutral.

aedia λ

00:42

But the soles on my new ones are so much thicker. I whined about it for like a week until my husband reminded me it was probably partly that I'd worn down the old ones too.

Well, girls' shoes look good on anyone who can pull off wearing a dress.

Cerberus

Nonsense.

They look good under jeans too.

Especially pumps and ballerinas.

aedia λ

The last friends' wedding I went to I wore a suit, but unfortunately I had to wear women's heels with it because I didn't have any suitably dressy flats, so it was kind of an annoying mix of styles. But I felt no one would probably look at my feet anyway.

I suppose that's true.

I really need to buy some new jeans too.

Theta30

hmmm I don't think with jeans look good, but definitely wearing (man) socks is a turn off

Cerberus

@aediaλ A suit as in a men's suit?

Well, women's heels can look good under that.

aedia λ

Well, womens' petites, but very very similar except it actually fit me.

Cerberus

00:47

@Theta30 Hmm what are men's socks?

@aediaλ Women's petites?

aedia λ

women's clothing, petites department (short people sizes)

Where all my work clothes that actually might be the right size have to come from

Theta30

@Cerberus socks for men? ha there was such a question on ELU english.stackexchange.com/questions/54640/is-men-socks-correct

it seems men's socks might be a better term...otherwise it might be confused with a sock puppet

female sock

aedia λ

@Cerberus this is not at all the right one, because I can't recall where I got my suit, but this is the idea; similar to men's suits but in a size that fits a short unicorn

Awwh!

Whoops, gotta run. See y'all!

Theta30

@Cerberus I know a man here who sometimes has the avatar of a lady so anything possible

@aediaλ see ya, have fun

Cerberus

01:06

@aediaλ Ahh I see.

@Theta30 Haha cute!

@aediaλ Oh, looks nice!

@Theta30 Yup, that's true. But that's still quite unusual, isn't it?

Theta30

@Cerberus yes and more exactly, the lady's initials are M.C.

Cerberus

@Theta30 Hmm what about that?

Theta30

@Cerberus nothing, I just wanted to be more specific

I think I have a chat deja vu

sometimes when you feel you said the same words in same context

when you grow older that happens more frequently

Cerberus

Hmm really?

I'm sure I feel it happens more frequently with age.

Kitḫ

Well, it's not so much deja vu as it is that you repeat yourself.

You have more opportunities when there's more time behind you.

Cerberus

01:22

Possible.

They gave me programming lessons earlier today.

Kitḫ

Whatever for?

You won't retain it.

You have about as much difficulty retaining knowledge as Madonna does a butt plug.

Cerberus

Possibly.

I do remember that Mr. Hiny says arrays are important.

Kitḫ

Excellent.

Which language?

Cerberus

Any.

Kitḫ

Which were they lessoning you on?

Cerberus

01:28

Well, it was mainly Mr H telling me that arrays were important.

And then a little bit of Javascript.

Theta30

well 99% people here are programmers so why won't you learn a bit from them

Cerberus

Which Aedia explained very well (see star).

@Theta30 I did!

Kitḫ

@Cerberus She's nice. I like her feet.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Hehe.

Yes.

Don't you agree ballerinas would look good on her?

Kitḫ

What?

Oh. I just looked at the picture. I didn't much read the transcript.

@aedia would look good in China flats.

Especially if her legs were wrapped around my head.

Cerberus

01:32

Hmm...

I'm getting a confused image.

For starters, what are China flats exactly?

Google Images gives several kinds of shoes.

Kitḫ

Cerberus

Ahh.

Kitḫ

Oh, these are velveteen. Yum.

Cerberus

Yes, could be nice.

But I'd still prefer ballerinas.

Kitḫ

You mean like toe shoes?

Cerberus

01:35

What do you call the band or strap on that shoe?

Kitḫ

A strap.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ OK.

They are a bit girlier, yet comfortable.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Maybe. Definitely something simple with a rounded toe.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Kitḫ

Is it getting hot in here?

Cerberus

01:37

Maybe for you!

Theta30

for foot fetishists yes

Cerberus

Heh.

Kitḫ

Odd.

Cerberus

I think a strap usually makes one's legs look shorter.

That's why I prefer strapless shoes on most women.

Kitḫ

I think it makes them look younger and sweeter.

Cerberus

01:41

I see what you mean.

My friend had bought extremely high heels for her 30th birthday party last Saturday.

But they were so painful that she had to take them off half an hour into the party.

She wore socks the rest of the evening.

Kitḫ

The night I was mistaken for a man I had very high heels on. I wore them dancing for five hours, but we had to take a cab home.

Cerberus

Haha what.

Kitḫ

I am sure I have told the story before.

Cerberus

You'd taken them off, and decided to cut your hair, and started growling to people on the street?

@Kitḫ I don't think so!

Not about your being taken for a man.

Kitḫ

Haha.

I wish I had the picture to show you.

It was back when I had blond hair to my waist.

I usually did it up in a braid (or two) when I went out to party.

I was wearing a black satin bodice with a long black skirt over backseam stockings with stripper boots.

Cerberus

01:54

None of that sounds very manly.

Stripper boots?

Kitḫ

I'm looking for an image. Hang on a sec.

Cerberus

Yay!

Kitḫ

Like this, only black with a chunkier heel.

Cerberus

Oh my God!

Kitḫ

And matte leather, not patent.

Cerberus

01:59

Can you even dance on those?

Kitḫ

Dude...they're stripper boots. They are made for dancing in.

Cerberus

Heh.

But somehow I suspect it's easier on sneakers!

In any case, not manly!

Kitḫ

There we go. Almost exactly that.

Just not shiny.

Cerberus

Ahh.

Stripper boots ≠ manly.

Kitḫ

Anyway. My friend and I went to the Manray in Boston.

manrayclub.com

It's about the gayest gay club around (although it seems it has closed), so a great place to go dancing and not get hassled by men.

Cerberus

02:05

Looks pretty kinky.

Kitḫ

Toward the end of the night, I'm sitting on a tuffet in the back, with my feet propped up because obviously my dogs are barking.

Cerberus

I see.

Kitḫ

A nice young man with a rainbow glowstick necklace sits next to me, and offers me a glowstick.

I'm thinking 'raver.'

Whatever. He's nice. Compliments my boots. I said something about his gold lamé shorts.

We chat a bit, and he eventually asks me if it was hard coming out to my parents.

And I say something noncommittal, "Like, yeah, well, you know, it's not been a big deal."

Cerberus

Hahahaha.

Kitḫ

And we chat a little longer, then my friend comes over and tells me she's ready to go.

Cerberus

02:09

Great.

Kitḫ

So I say "Nice meeting you, have a fun rest of your night!"

Cerberus

He didn't...

Kitḫ

And he says "Thanks, you too. Oh, and I just wanted to say, you make a really beautiful woman."

And I said...

Cerberus

Haha oh man.

Kitḫ

"Thanks, you too." And winked at him as my friend hustled me out the door.

Cerberus

02:10

Nice.

So it was the extravagant dress, and the surroundings?

Kitḫ

I think it must have been.

Cerberus

Well, he did say beautiful.

Kitḫ

Also, I was relatively flat-chested back then, even in a corset.

Cerberus

Oh.

Kitḫ

And my hair was probably long enough to be unbelievable.

simchona

02:11

I came at the right time I see.

Cerberus

Hi! Yes you did.

In any other setting, noöne would have questioned your womanhood.

Kitḫ

Yeah. I kinda gotta figure.

simchona

I have stiletto boots but nothing like those

One pair knee high in black, two pairs ankle high in grey and black

Cerberus

So I wonder, who do transvestites normally date / hook up with when they go clubbing?

@simchona Still impressive.

simchona

And I bought my first cami set and thigh high stockings recently

Kitḫ

02:14

You have a garter belt, right?

simchona

No

Kitḫ

Don't get those stockings with elastics. They'll mark up your thighs.

scolds

Cerberus

Mark up?

simchona

@Kitḫ Too late.

The next time I buy lingerie I'll buy the other kind

Kitḫ

OK. Good. :-)

simchona

02:17

And I got this in black:

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Yes. They squeeze your thighs unpleasantly in order to stay up.

@simchona Cute.

simchona

Got it?

Cerberus

So you mean they leave marks somewhere up your thights?

@simchona Ohh I missed it!

@simchona Oh! Yes, very cute.

simchona

@Kitḫ That kind of creeps me out

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Ahhh what the...

Kitḫ

02:19

@Cerberus Yes, like if you have a tight elastic around part of your body for any length of time.

Cerberus

OK.

But that mark will fade away as you remove the, right?

Kitḫ

Eventually.

But in terms of sexiness, not so much.

Cerberus

OK. Yes. I thought you meant something worse.

Kitḫ

02:34

Well, now. We are exciting, eh?

Cerberus

We are!

Who are we?

Kitḫ

I don't know. I forgot.

I think I need to take some decongestant and go to bed.

Cerberus

What is congested?

Ah, nose.

You sure you need it?

Don't get addicted!

By the way, I'm still wondering what kind of people transvestites pick up in bars.

Kitḫ

02:49

I don't know. Probably whoever they are interested in.

Cerberus

Yeah, but how does it work? Who do they attract?

Men? Women? Gays? Straights?

Kitḫ

I figure they probably attract people who are interested in women.

Or transvestites, if they are not good transvestites.

Cerberus

Heh.

Kitḫ

If someone looks like a woman, they will probably get hit on by people who like women.

Simple.

Cerberus

Okay, but are straight men interested in transvestites?

Kitḫ

02:59

Straight men are interested in women.

Kind of by definition there, @Cerb.

Cerberus

I still don't think many straight men I know would date transvestites. No offence, but it's just not the same thing.

Theta30

@Cerberus you didn't see Hangover 2

Cerberus

Heh nope I haven't.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Well, transvestites aren't women, you see.

So straight men wouldn't date them if they knew they were transvestites.

Cerberus

Exactly.

So who dates them?

I wouldn't because I'm not interested in women.

Kitḫ

03:02

Who dates them? People who are into transvestites. Or who aren't bothered by it.

Cerberus

Okay, so is that a very small group?

Kitḫ

Probably. I don't really know.

Hmm.

Cerberus

Nor do I.

Kitḫ

I wonder if my husband would wear women's clothing for me.

Cerberus

Heh.

Kitḫ

03:03

That would almost be the best of both worlds.

Cerberus

Really?

Kitḫ

Except that he would not make a very convincing woman.

Cerberus

You don't want your men to be manly and your women feminine?

It's all so confusing.

Kitḫ

Yes, I do.

But it is easier to have sexual relations with men.

Have you seen my husband? Very manly.

Cerberus

Yes.

Sometimes I am afraid it would be very hard to get a normal date for a transvestite.

Perhaps they mainly date other transvestites?

But then they must have a tiny pool.

Kitḫ

03:06

I don't think many transvestites date other transvestites.

Cerberus

Then who?

Kitḫ

Straight men who cross-dress probably have the best luck. I think women would probably tolerate it better than gay men.

Cerberus

Hmm I don't know.

Kitḫ

But transvestites probably don't go out in drag all the time.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Okay, I was thinking of permanent transvestites.

Kitḫ

03:07

@Theta30 Yeah, every straight guy's greatest fear/secret fantasy.

Cerberus

Ones who dress as women at company events.

Theta30

@Cerberus not my type of movie..but there is a scene when a straight man gets drugged and sleeps with a transvestite by accident...not pleasant for him when he wakes up

Cerberus

@Theta30 Or maybe he didn't mind?

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Oh, you probably mean transgender then.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ I...don't know. I mean the ones who don't have surgery.

Or do they all have surgery?

Theta30

03:08

@Cerberus no, he didn't realized what he was doing.

Kitḫ

You can be transgender even without surgery.

Cerberus

Okay.

Kitḫ

Gender is how you identify yourself.

Cerberus

Then those people.

@Theta30 Hmm, well, then he should have looked better, or get over it!

Kitḫ

7

Q: What's a gay transsexual woman?

I know how it sounds but it's a serious question. I saw an article title about it on the Guardian today. If someone tells you that a person is a "gay transsexual woman", is it possible, logically, to know who exactly this person is? Is it a man who became a woman, then turned gay and started li...

Gender and sexuality are two different things.

People get that confused all the time.

Cerberus

03:10

Yes.

I learned that.

Kitḫ

So the fact that someone is transgender has no bearing on who they will desire as a partner.

Cerberus

No, but I meant the other way around: who will desire them?

Kitḫ

People who are into that sort of thing.

Cerberus

But who are they?

Actually I don't know any transgenders.

Perhaps they're rare.

Kitḫ

Surprisingly, I do.

Cerberus

03:14

Hmm.

So you know anything about his or her dates?

Kitḫ

I am embarrassed to say that I broke off our friendship when I felt like she was hitting on me.

She was into girls though.

Cerberus

Hmm.

And she was a girl at birth?

Kitḫ

There is a famous professor at a university here who is transgender.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus No, a boy. I grew up with him.

Cerberus

03:16

Ah.

Kitḫ

Also, a poster child for the transgender movement.

Nicole Maines, I think is her name. One of a set of twins.

Cerberus

Kitḫ

articles.boston.com/2011-12-11/lifestyle/…

Cerberus

She?

Kitḫ

Once they transition, you should refer to them by the pronoun for their preferred gender. It's just polite.

Cerberus

03:19

Yes. But it's hard.

And when they're not present, does it really matter?

Kitḫ

It matters to me.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ By the way, by "she" I was just asking whether it was the girl in my picture, or somebody else entirely.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Oh. Yes.

Cerberus

As in, "is this she?"

I must say she became quite a beautiful girl.

But she is transsexual, isn't she?

Kitḫ

As it turns out, my hometown is in the top 25 places to live for people with alternative lifestyles.

Cerberus

03:22

Cool.

Kitḫ

I think it's weird.

OK. Now I'm off to bed.

Hey, wait. When did I show you a pic of my husband?

Good night!

Cerberus

Night!

I don't know, some time ago in the old WMT room.

Cerberus

06:38

Test.

user19161

09:54

@matt Boo!

Matt Эллен

Hi Jasper :)

I forgot to buy anything for breakfast, so I'm hungry, but I've only just cleaned my teeth, so I don't want to put anything in my mouth as it will taste all weird. Stupid boy!

user19161

It does not taste that weird, it's alright to eat.

Matt Эллен

it has always tasted weird to me. I don't like it. I will wait and then get some foor

user19161

Just a little of toothpaste and its product after some reaction with the food.

Matt Эллен

I know what it is :D

can you answer this?

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Q: What's the grammatically correct usage of the word "modulo"?

Good afternoon all, I was wondering how should I rephrase the below sentence such that it is grammatically correct (accepted in standard American English): 10 modulo 3 equals 1. Initially, I'd thought that it is grammatically correct, but dictionary.com claims that it is an adverb and not a...

grammar

or is it GR to you?

user19161

09:59

@MattЭллен I was thinking of answering but usually what we say might not be THE correct way to say it whatever that means, so I ended up not answering!

Matt Эллен

ah well

user19161

How would you say it since you do programming?

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