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06:00
What colours did you pick for the numbers?
What did you base them on?
1=R 2=O 3=Y 4=G 5=B 6=I 7=V 8=WHT 9=GRY 0=BLK
The old Roy G. Biv.
Rainbow colors.
Ah, OK.
Sexed the numbers odd for male, even for female.
You're supposed to be much slower if you do that.
Can you show me a screenshot of this?
That's the letters.
I assume I'd have more trouble with the letters -- 26 combinations.
06:03
The numbers are to the left.
What is your score?
0.99?
My number chart shows a wide green bar for every number except 6. I got a shorter yellow bar for 6.
Huh.
Apparently my aim was not so good for Indigo.
But with large bars you should have a very high (=bad) score?
That's not how it looks to me.
06:05
What do you mean?
Let me figure out a screen shot.
Please!
If you're looking for an extremely convenient automated screenshot-and-upload-to-Imageshack program, get Zizorz (freeware).
Oh, and please include this bit too:
Whooooohooooooooo!!!
06:09
@Mahnax Congrats!!
@MetaEd Okay, so you've proven the first test is cheatable.
@Cerberus Kiitos!
But how about the second test?
I'll be vegetating fo'while now.
Hehe.
Your work on this site is done?
I can't figure out the right embed URL.
I'm going to imgur.
06:11
I saw your image.
But it is from the old test.
I thought you had done the new test.
So you didn't do the other test?
I clicked Test Series, All Tests, Numbers.
I didn't click Old-School-Test, if that's what you mean by the old test.
No, I gave you another link.
I'm lost. I only saw a link to the home page of the site.
Yeah. I saw that. But I was already on the site.
06:14
Ehh...
Crap.
That screenshot, and this "old-school test", is from a different website. The non-scientific one that you rightfully criticized.
I'm not anywhere near on the right site.
Nope.
06:15
Surprisingly, their domain names are similar.
Well and I think I got that link from the conversation earlier today.
Which link?
Do you see pink elephants walking around the room at this moment, by the way?
they're in they're out they're all about
Yay!
7 hours ago, by Cerberus
http://www.synaesthesia.com/en/synitest/weekdays/
06:19
they're far they're near they're insincere
That is in fact how I linked to the tests I was taking.
pink elephants on the run, here they come, hippity hoppity
You're good at the ol' ball and cups game aren't ya :-)
@MetaEd I did give you the new link at least twice, didn't I?
You sure did.
You don't think I read it carefully, though, do you?
06:21
Well...
I have had two, maybe three glasses of wine and it's past midnight, in my defense. snork
Maybe four
Britain is to British as London is to what?
omg I have to REGISTER
Hence my proboscidean question.
British
06:22
@Vitaly To London?
Now give us a hard one.
@Cerberus does “London words like ait” really make sense?
@Vitaly It doesn't sound right.
But you could say a London church.
I'm seriously considering making an attempt at humor involving a London derriere. Somebody stop me.
Stop!!
06:24
Oh, no!
For the sake of all involved!
Thank god.
Search your feelings, MetaEd.
@Vitaly What are you doing?
This is why I'm glad I have friends.
06:24
@MetaEd If you decide to register and take the scientific test, do let me know what your results are!
@Cerberus I'm trying to ask you a question: do you happen to know a list of words that are used chiefly in London, like ait (which would be an island in the River Thames)?
Are Londoners known for their derrières, by the way?
Cerb, do you have work in a few hours?
@Vitaly Ehm no I don't, alas. Modern-day London? I seem to remember that gov'ner was typical for London.
@Mahnax Nope, no work tomorrow, and we finished our semi-big project yesterday.
Wai?
Czech Grapheme->Color is supposed to be a category of synesthesia?
06:27
@Cerberus — Oh, and no, I'm not thinking Cockney or any form of slang.
What's up with that.
@Vitaly Ah, hmm...then what class of words is typical for London but not slang?
@MetaEd Yup.
Ok so there are like twenty possible synesthesia choices.
And the only one I have a little of ... isn't on the list.
Sound->Vision.
What's up with THAT?
06:29
Hmm.
Odd.
This is my Greek.
For me the colours mostly correspond to the Latin letters that we transliterate the Greek letters with.
Except perhaps omega.
But actually I remember I sort of made up the colour for xi rationally as I didn't really have a strong association for it.
@Cerberus — Good question. “Something that is local to London” (like Big Ben) obviously isn't the answer: there are islands in rivers all over the world, too, but they aren't called aits.
Hmm and yet my bar is short for xi as well.
@Vitaly Hmm perhaps there aren't many such terms (assuming that ait doesn't count as slang).
An ait (or eyot) is a small island. It is especially used to refer to islands found on the River Thames and its tributaries in England. Aits are typically formed by the deposition of sediment in the water, which accumulates over a period of time. An ait is characteristically long and narrow, and may become a permanent island. However, aits may also be eroded: the resulting sediment is deposited further downstream and could result in another ait. A channel with numerous aits is called a braided channel. References in literature The words "ait" and "eyot" are not common in modern Engli...
Doesn't strike me as slang.
I guess you need a local dialect and/or a relatively isolated community. Or the vestiges of such a community.
"Clouds. A storm blows up, with flashes of lightening."
Well, gotta forgive that. We don't spel so good in Texas.
06:35
@Vitaly It isn't associated with colloquial or lower-class speech, no. But it must come either from a local dialect when the region around London was still a relatively isolated community, or some lower-class/colloquial slang.
@MetaEd Are you doing those visualization questions? I didn't quite know what to think of those.
> 894 O.E. Chron., Hie fluᵹon ofer Temese buton ælcum forda þa up be Colne on anne iᵹᵹað.
Yeah I saw it.
In any case, I suspect that there aren't many such words left. But it would be interesting to see a list, if any exist.
I'm trying to think of similar words that are local to Amsterdam but not lower class.
Can't think of anything. Can you think of any Muscovite words?
Nope.
But I can think of other geographical words that are local to small regions in the Netherlands.
They probably stem from times when people still spoke different dialects, I think.
I have no color association with number. How do they expect me to answer "agree" or "disagree" on questions such as "9. The color has the same shape as the letter/number."
Dumb.
I completed the test honestly, and there were absolutely no synesthesia tests done on me, just the basic questionaire. I would have to lie and say I have music-color associations or something.
I suppose I should claim to have number associations with color.
If I wanted to break the test, that is.
06:44
@MetaEd Ehm I think those were just the preliminary questions, used for anonymous research.
The part that matter is where you have to click yes or no as quickly as possible, whether the colour matches your private colour yes or no.
Right. They gave me only the preliminary questions, based on my not marking any checkboxes on the list of possible synesthesia categories, other than the "other" category which was the only one that matches my actual experience, flashes that accompany sudden loud sounds.
Well, they can e-mail me if they want.
Sure.
Maybe they'll name a new category of synesthesia after me.
But can't you take that part about the numbers?
I can lie and say I have number synesthesia.
Then I suppose I'll get that part of the battery.
Sadly though I think I am about unconscious.
They will have to batter me another time.
Or butter me.
Which would be better.
It's the old Lord Of The Rings question.
06:47
Ehh you don't have to lie: I don't think those tests are meant only for people who actually experience those forms.
Which is better? Beater? Biter?
Are you a hobbit, by the way?
But you do have to lie. Evidently they tailor the test to match what you check off in the preliminary. They gave me zero test. Just asked the prelim questions and then showed me my "results".
What did you check in the preliminary?
I don't know, lots of tests.
Sure. I'm a giant hobbit with bald feet.
06:49
Days, numbers, letters, and I think musical instruments.
See, they give you tests based on what you put a checkmark in on the prelim.
I checked "other". They apparently gave me a "bye".
Ehh you check which tests you want to take, it's as simple as that.
Yes.
But I did answer honestly.
They asked not which tests I wanted to take, but which synesthesia experiences I have had.
Then what did they ask when you had check those boxes? Wasn't it "check the tests you want to take"?
The only honest answer was to check none but "other" and write in what happens to me.
06:50
Hmm.
Right. You could just write in the comments that you just wanted to take the test as a control group thingie.
It would help their research, and they're going to check all results and comments anyway, so they won't complain.
I answered all the questions straight up, so I guess I will make a decent control.
Yeah.
I would go back and try to troll the test, but I'm ready to sleep.
What numbers did you fill in in the image visualization test?
That seems pretty random to me.
@MetaEd OK good night!
It's bed time for me too.
That's what I'm saying. I was not offered an image visualization test, or any test other than just the basic research questions. I am sure this is because of the checks I made when the site asked me which synesthesia experiences I have had.
07:04
Right, that is possible.
I probably didn't even read the question and just ticked off the tests that looked interesting.
Which happened to be the ones I feel synesthetic about.
All right, really good night!
Night!
07:56
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Q: Need some help coming up with an adequate word

FlyingStreudelI am looking for some classy, one-word descriptors or objects that embody the words "progressive", "driven", "unique" and "confident". Basically that something is innovative and confident in its own ways. Thanks!

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This is the most horrible marketingspeak question I have ever seen.
 
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10:05
@Cerberus I think he is looking for "good".
Or "Chuck Norris".
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user1024521When I hear people say "I accept" especially in U.S, It sounds like they are saying "I except". What is the correct pronunciation is used?

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Q: Need some help coming up with an adequate word

FlyingStreudelI am looking for some classy, one-word descriptors or objects that embody the words "progressive", "driven", "unique" and "confident". Basically that something is innovative and confident in its own ways. Thanks!

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Q: Meaning of "needful"

sesI am trying to find alternative ways to refer to a very necessary thing or thing that someone must have. Can I use the word needful for this purpose? A person said that needful means the thing needs something but not that somebody needs it.

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Reopening as there is much subtlety.
13:12
Looks like the site refuses to serve me some of its CSS today.
You should get your wife to cook you some.
Ohai!
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Cold smoked salmon?
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@Kitḫ Oh hi! is the proper version.
@WillHunting No, it's not.
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13:20
Why is the sexuality private beta taken off for a day? Must be up to no good.
13:32
@WillHunting Not enough experts? Too many amateurs?
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 No idea. Can't view the meta post that led to this move.
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I was suspecting it was degenerating into a pseudo-porn site.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Maybe I should have joined.
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I will answer the needful question which has been reopened using 5 dictionaries.
They should just embrace the suck: pottyhumor.stackexchange.com.
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13:42
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A: Meaning of "needful"

Will HuntingMerriam-Webster lists two meanings for the adjective needful: being in need and necessary, requisite. It also lists two meanings for the noun needful: something needed or requisite and money. The adjective meaning necessary is also listed in Macmillan (formal), OALD (old use) and Longman (old us...

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It's just a collection of dictionary results to set the matter to rest.
morning everybody
looks like the usual suspects are here
did your kids sleep well last night?
13:44
the little guy kept getting up, which is unusual. i think he was cold.
winter finally got serious around here
oh, and we took our older son to the doctor and she recommended a developmental psychologist to us to address some issues
my oldest didn't go to sleep until past 10:30, so I'm amazed that we were able to get out the door this morning without a tantrum from her
ouch
how old is she?
3 1/2
@JSBᾶngs that sounds serious
@JSBᾶngs Oh, what's up?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 does it?
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13:46
@Kitḫ Then the site would not have even entered private beta!
@JSBᾶngs I guess it depends on the issues?
My littlest has a double ear infection. His doctor gives it a 7/10 on both sides.
Last night was not exactly what you would call good.
Sounds like we're all in it today.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 well, you know: delayed speech, easily frustrated, poor sleeping, poor appetite, self-harms when upset, some obsessive behaviors
that makes it sound worse than it is, i think
@JSBᾶngs have you had his hearing checked?
@Kitḫ oh, poor guy
@MrShinyandNew安宇 we asked the doctor about that, and she said that that was unlikely to be the issue, since his previous hearing screenings had all been fine
13:49
My cousin's son had poor speech and was aggressive and easily frustrated. They put tubes into his ears and that improved his hearing and now he's totally different.
Well, the poor sleeping can lead to almost all of that, right?
@Kit have you tried blowing cigarette smoke in his ear?
if we knew how to address his sleeping habits we'd be on cloud nine
No, I haven't. Does that work?
@JSBᾶngs Is that a thing? people do that?
@Kitḫ it's great for pain relief.
13:50
It would be great to have an excuse to start smoking again.
@Kitḫ don't do it! Your kids will thank you later!
"Preventing Parkinson's disease" doesn't fly now that we have kids.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, I know. I can't. But still... daydreams
you only have to smoke like one cigarette. you'll be fine.
@JSBᾶngs I can't smoke just one. If I could, I would still smoke sometimes.
seriously, it works. blow cigarette smoke into the ear through a paper tube.
@Kitḫ i understand. i used to smoke.
13:52
And anyway, we have otic drops.
Well, @JSB, I hope you can find some answers for your son. All of those issues must be quite frustrating, even if they're just a phase.
I bet if you could get sleeping figured out, everything else would fall into place.
I've mentioned that I'm judgmental and opinionated, right?
though i was strangely resistant to addiction. i quit with basically no effort other than throwing away my lighters. lucky me.
That's great. My husband didn't have any trouble either.
We are taking my son to a speech pathologist next week. His speech is delayed quite significantly from his sister (I know, unfair comparison), and his doctor was mildly concerned so she had us get on a waiting list. Well, the wait is up.
13:53
I did. Really did. And I had quit once before too.
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I never smoked.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So what's his delay? Is he not making sentences, or just not speaking very clearly?
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@JSBᾶngs How does the first puff feel?
My sister-in-law is a speech pathologist, and I found myself quite annoyed with her on her last visit. I felt bad for being irritated.
However of the holidays my daughter spent a week with her grandparents and my wife and I had our son to ourselves... or he had his parents to himself. Either way, over those 3-4 days, he had an explosion of talking. Even the daycare people noticed when we brought him back after new year's.
13:55
the doctor yesterday said "aspergers" and "autism spectrum", which... um. it makes sense but i'm really really reluctant to pathologize, and my wife and i are adamantly opposed to medication. at this age, especially.
@Kitḫ He wasn't making enough words.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 how old?
@JSBᾶngs he's 1 3/4
@MrShinyandNew安宇 pffff. ours will be 4 in may, and he still doesn't make enough words.
@JSBᾶngs Damn. I would really dig my heels in and resist that, personally. Unless you really feel that something is wrong.
13:56
@JSBᾶngs I'll be honest: when you described your son's behaviour previously this is what I thought too. But I kept my opinion to myself because I'm not a doctor and I haven't examined your son. But I do know that it's better to treat this sort of thing sooner rather than later; early intervention can make a huge difference.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, my littlest is 19 months, and only says a few words, and those not very well. Boys just take longer than girls.
@Kitḫ the doctor was also adamantly against medication, so we're all on the same page there. the psychologist she referred us to mostly does behavior modification therapy, which we're much more open to
in any case, even if he gets diagnosed as whatever, it's not something i'm going to let hang over his head for his whole life.
@JSBᾶngs That's the spirit!
@Kitḫ Everyone says that, but is there evidence?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes.
Anyway his sister was an early talker. By 20 months she was making 3 and 4 word sentences, with subject, verbs, and objects.
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13:58
@MrShinyandNew安宇 The word evidence reminds me of my favourite phrase which I shall refrain from repeating.
@Kitḫ I'm extremely skeptical.
My 21 month old niece is speaking very clearly and using full sentences (up to 10 words).
for that matter, i fit most of the diagnostic criteria for aspergers, but i benefited greatly from not having that diagnosis either as a stigma or an excuse
Her speech is amazing. My sister-in-law was saying "Well, we read to her a lot and speak very slowly and clearly to her." Um, yeah. We do that too.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 OK, I'll see if I can find some scholarly articles.
@JSBᾶngs Well, the diagnostic criteria for aspergers is fairly broad. AND, a lot of aspergers people tend to excel in technical fields. So that is not surprising.
14:00
@Kitḫ yeah, that has nothing to do with it.
Jan 13 at 15:49, by Will Hunting
Truth is based on proof. Faith is based on evidence.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 no, not surprising. but anyway, i've lived my whole life without needing to fit into a syndrome, so i'm not about to start now. nor am i about to inflict it on my son.
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And evidence !=proof, so faith !=truth. QED.
@JSBᾶngs She looked almost mad when I pointed out that she was after all a pediatric speech-language pathologist. That probably has something to do with it.
@Kitḫ you mean you suggested her daughter was not a preternatural genius?
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14:03
@JSBᾶngs Preternatural is a difficult word.
@JSBᾶngs She's probably jealous of my virtuous children.
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Q: 'Preternatural' vs 'supernatural'

Eric NaslundI am wondering what the precise differences between preternatural and supernatural are. I know praeter is Latin for beyond so that preternatural literally means beyond natural. But how exactly does that compare to supernatural? Isn't supernatural just the same thing? I also have the vague i...

@JSBᾶngs Well, stigma and labels and excuses can be bad. But on the other hand, identifying (and thus labelling) what is different or challenging can help you deal with it.
But I totally agree that you shouldn't let it stop him.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 exactly. we're willing to seek help, especially to get him through this crucial stage, but i don't want him to carry that through school, for example
@WillHunting a false premise can lead to any conclusion
@JSBᾶngs yeah. But depending on how serious it is, you may not be able to avoid carrying it to some degree. Anyway, I hope you find some good answers.
14:07
@MrShinyandNew安宇 sighs Looks like I'm wrong. Still and all, every girl I have ever known has developed speech faster than the boys I know. Of course, I know far more boys, and there could be social differences as well...
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, except we all know that it is not really Asperger's, but rather bad parenting that is causing his son's behavior. ;-)
I'm just kidding there. Was it too teasing?
@Kitḫ what bad parenting? we've tried beating him more often, but it just doesn't seem to help
(also kidding)
phew
And anyway, I send your whole family big hugs and good vibes.
@Kitḫ All I know is that whenever I read about scientists criticizing gender-based studies, I find that those studies invariably have many flaws and/or such small effect size that it's irrelevant. So I'm not saying it's impossible, but I remain unconvinced.
@JSBᾶngs You know what? I bet he needs more Tee vee.
@Kitḫ I think he should be doing more chores.
14:11
@Kitḫ we don't even have a tee vee. maybe THAT'S what we're doing wrong
I can't write that properly. It should be read in proper Southern fashion "the TEE vee."
work up an appetite, AND tire him out.
@JSBᾶngs What? Who babysits your kids for you then?
@Kitḫ we just lock them in the bathroom
@Kitḫ He has one of those automated swishy wand thingies that is for amusing cats.
14:12
Haha.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Of course you remain unconvinced. Because it is probably the only area where girls have ever been suggested to be better at something than boys.
@Kitḫ what are you talking about? girls are better at feelings and cooking and being pretty.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I thought you meant a laser pointer for a minute.
@JSBᾶngs "Math is hard! Let's go shopping!"
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@JSBᾶngs Disagree.
14:15
@JSBᾶngs OK, then. Better at something important.
@Kitḫ cooking is very important. so is being pretty.
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@JSBᾶngs But feelings are the most important.
scowls
Boys are dumb!
runs away
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@Kitḫ Also disagree.
Girls have cooties!
14:19
@Kitḫ Actually I remain unconvinced that boys are better than girls at things. And, to put my biases on the table, I don't WANT either gender to be better or worse at anything.
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Good is also not well-defined.
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Intelligence is also not well-defined, so IQ tests measure specific traits.
There are some fairly obvious ways that boys and girls are better at certain things. Like, boys tend to have more muscle mass and larger bodies, so they have advantages in certain sports. But just about every girl was better than me at sports in gym class in school, because I was a poor athlete. And girls are better at having babies. or breastfeeding.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 girls are better at having babies, and boys are (on average) better at lifting heavy things. biology guarantees that much. after that, i remain unconvinced of most statistically significant sex differences.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 jinx
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 The last is obvious. QED.
14:21
@WillHunting You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
3
I've tried telling him that.
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 I use it whatever way I like.
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@Kitḫ See above.
Uh huh.
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A star for that?
14:22
Anyway. I think I am more sensitive to sexism now that I work with a guy who is obviously sexist.
Funny thing is, I don't think I would have such a violent reaction if I believed that he thought I was just shitty at my job. It's because I believe he thinks I'm shitty at my job because I'm a woman that I get so angry.
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Quit Explaining Dictionaries.
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Quiet Elegant Dude.
I should perhaps forced my oldest son to watch that.
I think he would like it, but the sea serpent might be too scary.
@Kitḫ I can see how that would make you angry.
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14:25
@Kitḫ force or have forced
Not to mention the rodents of unusual size and the part where they set the guy on fire.
@Kitḫ Yeah I am dying to show my kids all my favourite movies. But my oldest is too easily scared.
I guess I just have to wait.
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Patience is a virtue.
wait, wait, wait, that's all parenting is. wait for them to get older. then, when that happens, you pine for when they were younger.
I made him watch Tangled with me last night.
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14:26
You should watch Titanic instead.
@Kitḫ i've never even heard of that movie
my dad made me watch Princess Bride when i was a boy, and i intend to continue the family tradition
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Tangled is a 2010 American computer animated musical fantasy-comedy film produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios. It is the 50th animated feature in the Walt Disney Animated Classics series. The film features the voices of Mandy Moore, Zachary Levi and Donna Murphy and is loosely based on the German fairy tale "Rapunzel" in the collection of folk tales that the Brothers Grimm published. The film was originally titled and marketed as Rapunzel until it was changed to Tangled shortly before its release. It premiered in theatres and in 3D cinemas on November 24, 2010. The film was highly...
ah, ok.
meeting. laterz.
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The Princess Bride is a 1987 American film based on the 1973 novel of the same name by William Goldman, combining comedy, adventure, romance, and fantasy. The film was directed by Rob Reiner from a screenplay by Goldman. The story is presented in the film as a book being read by a grandfather (Peter Falk) to his sick grandson (Fred Savage), thus effectively preserving the novel's narrative style. This film is number 50 on Bravo's "100 Funniest Movies," number 88 on The American Film Institute's (AFI) "AFI's 100 Years...100 Passions" list of the 100 greatest film love stories, and 46 in Cha...
@JSBᾶngs my parents took me and my brother to the theatre to see it. I had never heard of it and thought "Princess Bride? What kind of dumb movie is THIS going to be?" But then I watched it, and it was awesome.
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14:31
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Sounds like I must watch too now.
@WillHunting Do you like fantasy? and comedy? because it's both of those.
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 I like romance.
@WillHunting it has that too
but mainly comedy
14:49
Anyway, he had seen a preview and thought it looked interesting, but last night decided that he would have a meltdown because I picked what we were going to watch instead of him.
It was a weird night.
@WillHunting Never.

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