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14:00
Well, you might like the northeast.
here's my states visited map:
403
That's a lot of states.
let me try that again
dangit
one of these sites has to let you embed
360 behind.
Here's mine
14:04
Pretty.
What's the yellow square?
Wyoming.
Ah OK.
Colorado is the square below it.
when were you in wyoming?
i have an aunt who lives there
and i visited frequently
@Kitḫ OMG you can read minds.
14:05
On our honeymoon. We went as far as Devil's Tower. Very impressive.
Is that the high rock thing?
We originally planned to go all the way to California and then come back on I-40, but that didn't happen.
@Cerberus Yes.
Cool.
Devils Tower (Lakota: Matȟó Thípila or Ptehé Ǧí, which means “Bear Lodge” and ”brown buffalo horn”, respectively) is an igneous intrusion or laccolith located in the Black Hills near Hulett and Sundance in Crook County, northeastern Wyoming, above the Belle Fourche River. It rises dramatically above the surrounding terrain and the summit is above sea level. Devils Tower was the first declared United States National Monument, established on September 24, 1906, by President Theodore Roosevelt. The Monument's boundary encloses an area of . In recent years, about 1% of the Monument's 400,...
i colored virginia, b/c when i visited DC the place we stayed was actually in VA
14:07
Ha ha ha! We are almost complements!
Spent, 108 behind.
Robusto showed it to me in one of his map games.
devils tower is truly awesome.
OMG
What are you all psychics??
14:08
It's cool, but hard to express in pictures how really mind-boggling it is.
when i visited there, a climber had died the day before
Yipes.
Is it the crater of an old volcano?
You ought to read how it was formed.
Nobody seems to agree.
So I think between me and JSB, we've covered 46 of the states.
@JSBᾶngs I saw a guy climbing in nothing gym shorts, shoes, gloves, a baseball hat and a belt with a water bottle.
I thought, "Why would anyone ever do that?"
14:11
Read it.
The landscape was also really different for us, so I think that increased the alien feel of it.
@Cerberus Yay!
@Kit if you go to CO and visit Rocky Mt Nat'l Park, make sure you drive over Trail Ridge Road. it's the highest continuous road in America. At the top there's a visitor's center, which is literally breathtaking. (the air is very thin.)
Yay indeed.
@JSBᾶngs Been there, done that. You can get winded walking 100 yards.
@Robusto yep
14:12
@Robusto Sounds like being pregnant.
@JSBᾶngs Wow. Beautiful.
@Kitḫ Except you can come down at any time.
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Q: Meaning of word "DUDE"?

infant programmer 'Aravind'As far as I know 'dude' is a slang used to address a male, preferably a friend. But I came across few of the source on internet which pass an information "A 'Dude' is an infected hair on an elephants butt" (pardon me for nuisance if you felt) .. I believe its wrong! I couldn't find this absurd ...

This is the most impressive landscape we have:
@RegDwightѬſ道 gen ref, maybe?
Notice the mud.
And the ugly sheds.
The meagre trees.
14:13
@Cerberus LIES
Mar 7 '11 at 20:59, by RegDwight
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Oh stop. You have pretty tulips there.
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Q: Etymology of “dude” and progression in language

F'xOn this one, etymonline really let me down. It says: dude 1883, "fastidious man," New York City slang of unknown origin. The vogue word of 1883, originally used in reference to the devotees of the "aesthetic" craze, later applied to city slickers, especially Easterners vacationing in the W...

@RegDwightѬſ道 Haha, OK, on a VERY good day.
Pikantje von Antje makes every day a good day.
Sorry, van.
Mof!
In German: Muff.
14:16
in English: Woof
@Cerberus Hmm ... are you aware of the meaning in English?
@Robusto You mean a fur you put your hands in to keep them warm?
I only know the thing used to warm your hands?
Jinx!
@Kitḫ I suppose you could use it for that, sure. In fact, why not?
Mof means just that in Dutch too.
14:17
giggle
You dirty, dirty...
+1 to giggle
-9000 to +1 to giggle
@RegDwightѬſ道 That's UNDER 9000!!!
14:20
NO U
@Kitḫ Maine coast?
@Kitḫ Pretty!
@Robusto Yup.
@Kitḫ very nice
Maine has a lot of rocky ledges and shingle beaches.
14:21
@Robusto not exactly .. it doesn't explain to my question any how!!
But the water is to the left. I thought Maine was on the east coast.
@Cerberus Hahaha.
@Cerberus The photographer is looking south/west.
Hehe.
14:22
@RegDwightѬſ道 ..but really i asombrate with your
@Kitḫ Grand Tetons? Or maybe the Big Horn Mountains?
@Robusto err, no faction per time and theyre Warmongers
This was my view out of the tent when I was training with the Girl Scouts.
@Kitḫ When I was training with the Girl Scouts I stayed in the tent.
@Robusto Ha ha. It's Mount Katahdin, our highest peak.
Never been that far north.
14:23
@Robusto Whatever for? That's boring.
@Kitḫ Not if you're doing it right.
@Robusto Right. Probably never been past Freeport, have you?
@Kitḫ Only been as far as Bar Harbor.
@Robusto I prefer a natural setting when I'm in flagrante delicto.
14:24
This is Holland too.
Colony.
@Cerberus It looks like an Ibsen iplay.
It looks like a cartoon!
It's probably both.
@Kitḫ Flagrante Delicto ... that's in Italy, right?
@Robusto No, it's in my pants.
14:25
@Kitḫ Oh, so it's somewhere everyone will see sooner or later. <rim shot>
Here's another nice pic of Katahdin.
Pretty!
And small.
@Robusto God willing and the creek don't rise, yes.
@Cerberus frowns Bigger than yours!
Yeah, @Cerberus. Show us all the mountains you got in Holland.
That looks like Echo Lake in Acadia National Park during "leaf season."
14:29
@Kitḫ The picture, silly.
Still pretty but small.
Guess where this is.
It is a monastery.
@Cerberus 404
@Kit: I was supposed to go whitewater rafting on the Dead River a few years ago but I managed to weenie out.
@Cerberus I was thinking Berchtesgaden.
@JSBᾶngs You can't see the picture?
@Robusto Nope.
@Cerberus no, but it's probably just me
@JSBᾶngs It is on Imageshack.
14:33
@Cerberus Switzerland?
@Robusto Nope.
Italian Alps?
Nope.
Mount Athos (; , ) is a mountain and peninsula in Macedonia, Greece. A World Heritage Site and self-governed state in the Hellenic Republic, Athos is home to 20 stavropegial Eastern Orthodox monasteries under the direct jurisdiction of the patriarch of Constantinople. Today Greeks commonly refer to Mount Athos as the "Holy Mountain" (). In Classical times, the peninsula was called Akté (Ακτή) (sometimes Acte or Akte). The peninsula, the easternmost "leg" of the larger Halkidiki peninsula, protrudes into the Aegean Sea at a width of between and covers an area of . The actual Mount...
Austria?
Is there a Mount Porthos and a Mount Aramis?
Also, a Mount D'Artagnan?
Yes, located in your dreams.
Romantic.
14:35
I know.
Though I forgot who wrote the book.
Really? Damn. How could you not know Dumas?
@Robusto Hmm. I don't know where that is.
@Robusto Right, Dumas. You know, memory and stuff. Haven't read it.
We're ahead!
@Cerberus ah, mt. athos! i hope to go there some day.
14:39
You can. I think you need to apply months in advance.
@Cerberus yeah, it'll be many years before i get to go.
and @Kit is not allowed. (neener neener.)
Why?
The Club Dumas (original Spanish title El Club Dumas) is a 1993 novel by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. The book is set in a world of antiquarian booksellers echoing his previous work, The Flanders Panel. The story follows the adventures of a book dealer, Lucas Corso, who is hired to authenticate a rare manuscript by Alexandre Dumas, père. Corso's investigation leads him to seek out two copies of a rare book known as De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Book of the Nine Doors of the Kingdom of Shadows). Corso encounters a host of intriguing characters on his journey of investigation, including de...
@RegDwight had me read that.
women are not allowed on mt. athos. ancient tradition, ya know.
@JSBᾶngs But Athos was allowed on women. <rim shot>
14:41
Damn. It looks so interesting.
She can go incognita.
She'll be a slender youth.
But I have to take a little nap now. I slept exactly 10 minutes last night (my own fault).
@Cerberus hie thee to sleep, man
I shall! Later!
@Cerberus 10 minutes? I sleep longer than that during one of your philosophical arguments with @Vitaly.
Those usually take 6+ hours. Of course.
I think we literally went on for 4 hours several times.
With breaks, longer.
14:46
How much is that in dog years?
I'm already in the underworld, so it doesn't matter.
@Cerberus Go to bed!
@Kitḫ I will! Bye!
@RegDwightѬſ道 How euphonious, thank you.
OK, for extra credit, parse this profile bio (here given in its entirety): "have Began living the professional life :"
14:50
Done.
Is she trying to say Vegan?
She's cute, for an infant.
But the colon followed by nothing is what intrigues me.
Really? I think she just left off the parenthesis.
Oh, my bad. Poor C&P job.
"have Began living the professional life :)"
14:52
@Robusto It intrigues me like this:
Jan 13 at 20:52, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
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@Cerberus Is that your stash? You know, it'll get all moldy if you keep it in trash bags.
I don't know which is a metaphor for which.
@Cerberus Go to bed!
@Robusto It is my opinion of certain things. A pile of garbage blocking a fire exit.
@Kitḫ Okay mommy!
14:54
"A Big Piece of Garbage" is episode eight in season one of Futurama. It originally aired in North America on May 11, 1999. The episode was written by Lewis Morton and directed by Susie Dietter. Ron Popeil guest stars in this episode as himself. Nancy Cartwright also has a brief cameo as a Bart Simpson doll. Much of the episode is a spoof of Armageddon; however, instead of Earth being threatened by an asteroid, it is threatened by a giant ball of garbage. Plot Professor Farnsworth invites the crew of Planet Express to join him at the Academy of Inventors' annual symposium, where inventors ...
@Cerberus Can you think of any better way of blocking a fire exit?
@Robusto Needs someone doing a lindy though.
@Robusto There is none.
@Cerberus So it's a success.
The inverse is also true. There is nothing better to be blocked by garbage than fire exitae's.
500 behind with 30 mins left.
14:57
@RegDwightѬſ道 Ffffuuuu ...
Raise your hand if you want this t-shirt: gossipblog.it/post/26859/…
Haha no way he really said that.
no way who said it? it's been recorded!
Yeah, but the media have been lying to me all this time. Talking about stern warnings etc.
I've heard parts of the said recording with overlaid translations.
What is it?
14:59
No cazzos there that I can remember.
Are you telling me that Language Log is misreporting things?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I am telling you the exact opposite thing. Learn to read, dude!
@RegDwightѬſ道 I'm waiting for the LEGO kit.
@RegDwightѬſ道 I thought you were saying that I must be wrong, because the media always lies to you, so they must have lied to me
@Robusto I am pretty sure many people around the world are working on a model already.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well you thought wrong, what should I say.
15:02
@RegDwightѬſ道 Well, that's the last time THAT will happen.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh look. It just did.
@Robusto We'll see about THAT
@MrShinyandNew安宇 BTW all that link says is "Error establishing a database connection". I doubt the coast guard really said that to the captain.
I might be wrong.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you.
15:03
@Reg: Think it's worth trying to WB?
@Robusto I will.
In fact, I'm starting now.
CU in 23 minutes.
OK then me too.
so at -2:25-ish on this video you can hear the coast guard say "vada a bordo, cazzo"
I'd put it around -2:20, but yeah it sounds like that. I don't know Italian though.
15:21
@Kitḫ yeah, -2:25-ish ~= -2:20. :)
Fair enough. ;-) I mentioned I'm neurotic, right?
@Kitḫ What are you running on def? Your delta looks strange.
@RegDwightѬſ道 LtW, but I switched to Supelegore a little bit ago.
@RegDwightѬſ道 WB'ed twice and now spent. 350ish ahead.
Mkay...
I WBed twice, too, but they are still pumping.
15:23
I took a couple of hard hits, and some surrenders. This one has been hard.
They are closing, closing, closing.
I dunno. It's gonna be close, and me with no more WB.
I would except that I have surrendered more than won. I don't think I'd help.
I have one fight left in me.
I think. Before the end.
Crap. I had one fight and had to surrender. Bad luck on procs.
I surrendered my last one, too.
Son of a bitch. I had enough, then it told me I didn't. Fuckers.
15:28
Fuck. Those would have been the difference.
That one hurt.
grumpy
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I love corvids. Smartest birds ever.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 What is that? I can't put my finger on it.
Tons of really rare parts.
At some point antialiasing subverts the original intent of LEGO.
16:00
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Huh. Really interesting. I thought I had seen it before though.
Accidentally started watching crying scared babies. This helped.
@Kitḫ possibly, or others like it. Lego has been releasing some buildings in this format for a while, maybe you're thinking of those?
@Kitḫ that's hilarious!
Yeah, that might be it.
Hey, do either of you know what the modern acceptable way is to automatically redirect after session timeout?
16:17
@Kitḫ Umm, Java null pointer exception? That works in all cases. And best of all, you don't have to do any work!
@Robusto Really? Because it doesn't do it now, so I must have to do something.
I'm kidding. That's the poor man's redirect.
Oh. I see.
I was thinking I could set a timer using javascript.
I don't usually use javascript though. Do you know if that's an acceptable method?
@Kitḫ Ideally session timeouts would be handled on the server.
@Robusto I am required to automatically redirect after session timeout. My understanding is that that must be done client-side.
I should say automatically and immediately.
16:21
Does the session have a hard timeout? I mean, does user action extend it?
User action extends the session, yes.
Then do a setTimeout at the beginning of the session in Javascript, and set event listeners for mouse clicks and keypresses on the page, which cancel the original timeout and start a new one.
Yes, that is along the lines of what I was thinking. Is that a usual thing?
It's done a lot.
Does that mean it's OK? Or is this one of those things that lots of people do and shouldn't?
16:26
Ideally you would ping the server in the timeout and get further instructions. But nothing prevents you from adding your own redirect.
Hmm.
Can you ping the server with an AJAX call to find out if the session is still active?
What if I set a timer to check the session state every [time until session timeout]?
@Robusto Maybe. Seems like I should be able to.
@Kitḫ That is what I'm asking.
@Robusto Yeah, I got it. I'm checking. I think this is a good plan.
Javascript is not my strong suit though. It will take me a while.
16:31
Javascript is easy.
I used to used it a bunch, but then there was about two or three years of python and now I can't remember how to do it anymore.
It's like falling off a bike, I'm sure.
Piece of cake.
Wait a sec. You're saying that if the user has a page open in their browser, and they look away for $session_timeout_minutes, when they look back the page will have refreshed to an error page (or something)?
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Q: How to redirect to Login page when Session is expired in Java web application?

VeeraI'm running a web application in JBoss AS 5. I also have a servlet filter which intercepts all the requests to the server. Now, I want to redirect the users to the login page, if the session has expired. I need to do this 'isSessionExpired()' check in the filter and need to redirect the user acco...

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Redirected them to the login page, yes.
I've almost got it, I think, but it's lunchtime. bbl
@Kitḫ Can't you just do nothing on the client side, and on the server side, any time the user requests a page and isn't logged in (which is the case if their login session expired/evaporated/server-restarted), redirect to the login page? Does anything "special" need to happen for a timeout?
16:40
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Q: JSP Automatic Redirect After Session Expire/Timeout

user473445Is there any way to detect session timeout without (user interaction)*, and redirect it to some page; i.e. if there is no activity on page @ specific duration; server detects it and redirect it automatically on some other. By user user interaction I mean; there is a way to detect session timeout...

This is more or less how I'd do it in Javascript.
Because, frankly, I hate it when my web page redirects because the server blah blah blah. What if I was reading something on the page? What if there was an error message, and I wanted to show my supervisor, and it took $session_timeout minutes to find her?
Not sure why that guy sets the variable checktimeout and then assigns a function to it. Why not simply declare the function? That way it will get hoisted and be available no matter where it's placed.
client-side, I'd just set a meta http refresh header that refreshes the page, if that's what the boss demanded. Otherwise, I'd just do it server side.
The HTTP header refreshes the page no matter what.
Why change what's on the user's screen if I don't have to.
@RegDwightѬſ道 yes
16:45
But Kith is looking for ways to refresh if(X).
But unless I want the user's mouse movements or clicks to be construed as "session-keep-alive-activity", then using meta-refresh is fine
OIC there's some discussion I missed. Catching up.
Because if mouse/keyboard events on the page are supposed to EXTEND the session, then I have to factor in the fact that I need to ping the server every so often to keep the server-side session alive
if the server-side session is going to expire ANYWAY, why bother doing anything on the client
usability-wise, I'd be inclined to ping the server with a non-session-extending request (implementation details are an exercise for the reader) which, if it detects an expired session, would display a notification on the page (but not refresh the page)
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No point at all.
Hence my questions to Kit.
26 mins ago, by Robusto
Does the session have a hard timeout? I mean, does user action extend it?
@Robusto the answer to that question depends on what you mean by "user action"
clicking any link? submitting a form? typing in a form field?
selecting text on the page? mousing over the browser? etc
Only the most paranoid apps should take defensive timeout measures in the browser. It's certainly not user-friendly.
anyway, i'm getting lunch now. bbl
16:56
I'm feeling meta-refreshed, how about y'all?
17:07
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Of course. That is to be determined.
in case @MrShinyandNew or @RegDwight want to dispose of some income: lego on ebay
user19161
@MattЭллен Purchase != dispose.
Are you saying it's an investment?
I love the idea of a resale market for used Lego bricks.
user19161
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Q: Can someone recommend a guide for the usage of apostrophe?

Akash Possible Duplicate: Why doesn't “its” have an apostrophe? Is there any generic guide available for the correct usage of apostrophes, especially to differentiate between possessiveness and plurality, and specifically "its" vs "it's". (ESL if it matters)

user19161
Strictly speaking this is not a duplicate.
user19161
It is asking for a guide on the apostrophe, not the apostrophe itself.
user19161
Maybe someone will ask for a guide on guides next.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Because my boss asked me to do it this way.
Or rather, want he wants is for the page to redirect without a postback action because sometimes the client will let the session timeout, then write 150 lines of comment and click submit, only then to be redirected.
I would be happy to just display a message or something.
@WillHunting Without looking I can just say I am amazed if we have not already written an answer which is a comprehensive guide to the apostrophe and an an answer which discusses how to use it properly with "it".
17:34
@WillHunting strictly speaking, it's off-topic
user19161
@JSBᾶngs True. If you are wondering about the many downvotes today, that was me.
@Kitḫ So, if your session times out on the server, and you don't want keystrokes and mouse action to extend the session, then something like a meta refresh (or an HTTP refresh header set on every page response) would probably solve your problem; just set the refresh time to the session timeout time. (Except: if you expect a user to have multiple tabs/windows/frames, then it doesn't work)
hmm actually if you expect multiple windows/tabs/frames then I think each open frame must ping the server, that way they all time out at once.
No, no, keystrokes and mouse action should extend the session.
We don't expect multiple windows/tabs though.
@Kitḫ seriously!? wow. Then you need to detect activity and send periodic notifications to the server, so that the server keeps ITS session alive
AND you need to detect how long before the session times out, and refresh the page at that time
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, it does that. I mean, it must be doing that.
17:40
@Kitḫ no, it won't do that normally
Hmm. Maybe it's not doing that. Let me think.
usually only a page load will refresh the session
I'm thinking about it.
I suppose most of the pages have regular postback things. I never thought about it before. Maybe that's why we are having only very intermittent problems with session timeout.
Checkboxes and dropdowns and buttons and whatnot.
@Kitḫ clicking on a checkbox or dropdown causes a post to the server?!?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Some of them are autopostback.
Not all of them.
17:44
ok. well, that traffic to the server is what extends the session on the server
You can probably (not sure how) make a page (or request handler or whatever it's called on ASP) that responds to a request without extending the session, if you just want the client windows to ping the server to detect a timeout.
Yes, yes. I hadn't thought much about it before. I was thinking sort of generic "page activity," but of course it is more specific than that.
Or, if you want keystrokes to extend the timeout, then in that ping you can send a flag that says whether or not the user was active since the last ping
If so, the server extends the timeout, if not, leaves it alone
the server can respond with the relative milliseconds until the session expires, and you can use that to do something upon timeout on the client
I'd be inclined to just display a warning so that the user doesn't lose what's on their screens, even if they can't submit it
Does the timeout need to be something short enough that users will notice it? what if it were 2 hours?
or 8 hours
I'm rather thinking that I should just let someone else do it. It is not really critical for my pages. pokes computer
The other projects have more sensitive information, so it is more important for them.
But I am trying to be helpful.
So, let me think. If I set a timer and automatically refresh the page after the session timeout length, then if there has been session-extending activity, it won't matter. If the session has expired, then it will redirect, since I have it set to do that anyway?
But if the user is entering information in a textbox, will it be erased?
@Kitḫ if by "session-extending-activity", you mean "the page refreshed due to navigation, form submission, or button post-back (which is a kind of form submission)", then, yes, a hard timeout when the page first starts is fine, because all session-extending activity reloads the page and hence resets the timer
@Kitḫ well, the textbox would disappear
If, however, the user has two tabs or frames or windows, the session can be extended on the server but a long-open tab will auto-refresh regardless of the fact that the session isn't expired. that's even worse for the user, IMO.
17:59
Yeah, I see your point.
Why am I doing this again?
In fact that's why I wouldn't bother implementing client-side refresh at all, because if I know my session expires in 30 minutes, and I've spent 29 minutes typing an essay into a textbox, I can middle-click on any link on the page, which opens a new tab and extends my session for another 30 mins, while leaving my old tab with incomplete essay unharmed.

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