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Cerberus

04:00

Oh, I see.

So there was no lesser-know software that was important to you and that you had to check whether it worked on Vista first?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I liked vista better than XP. XP was good, Vista was more or less better. I had no issues with UAC and I don't recall stuff not working (of course, my notebook was "designed for vista")

Cerberus

How about printers?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus my printer is quite old and it works out of the box with Vista and 7, better than with its original software.

Cerberus

My father has had to buy a new printer because his old one didn't work on 7 (he came from XP).

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

that's surprising to me

Cerberus

04:02

I think your standards of old are different, hehe.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

usually old hardware isn't an issue because vendors send drivers to microsoft

@Cerberus well, my printer is from 2000

or 2001? 2002? anyway, old, for a printer

Cerberus

Oh, that's pretty old. But this one was probably older.

Possibly of a generation similar to this one:

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I can't think of any hardware I own, or have owned, which I cared about, not working on newer windows. Obviously, I've owned some old PCs which were too slow, etc. But aside from that, my hardware just worked.

Cerberus

It was a printer–fax.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm surprised that that kind of printer wouldn't work on 7. I'd be more inclined to think that it wouldn't work on the new PC (i.e. it uses a parallel port and the new PC doesn't have one)

Cerberus

04:05

No, I think it changed when my brother installed 7 on his old PC.

But I am not quite sure any more.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus well, it's possible. It could be anything: maybe this particular printer never supported the standards for fax/printer combos, and relied on its custom software which didn't work on 7. However, that sort of thing is usually pretty well supported by MS. It's their bread and butter.

For example, look at this blog post: blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2011/09/09/10208136.aspx

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haha, I sympathize.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ooh, this one is a good example: blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2009/09/03/9890650.aspx

Cerberus

Hah, yes. Well, I'm not saying Windows is to blame itself. You know my position and arguments.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah

anyway, it's getting late for me. I should be going.

cya later...

Cerberus

04:21

OK bye!

Mahnax

04:34

Hai!

Cerberus

Hi!

Mahnax

How's things?

Cerberus

Good: we did some Canadian maps.

Mahnax

Aww, nice.

I shall look!

Cerberus

You'll probably know them.

Mahnax

04:36

Indeed.

That St. Lawrence River one was really easy.

Cerberus

Heh.

Not for poor Kit.

Mahnax

Aww, really?

Cerberus

And apparently you don't know the name of the island either?

Mahnax

Which island?

Cerberus

The island in the River.

Oh, you probably only saw the larger picture.

Mahnax

04:39

Oh, yeah.

Cerberus

I did a close-up of the island first.

Mahnax

I don't think I could have got that, it's pretty tough.

Cerberus

The bigger picture was a piece of cake for her.

@Mahnax But it's a huge island!

Probably as large as my entire country.

Mahnax

@Cerberus But nobody in western Canada gives a crap about it!

@Cerberus No way.

I think I will go grab some tea. Brb!

Wait, we're out. Darn.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Awww...

Out of tea!?

But...I mean...how can you...

Mahnax

04:43

:(

I'm the only one in the house who drinks it.

And now it's gone.

sniffles

Cerberus

Aww.

Mahnax

I could get hot chocolate, but I'm not in the mood. Maybe later.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Okay my country is about 2.5 times as large. Finally something that we are actually larger than.

@Mahnax Hmm that's good too. With actual cocoa powder?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Yeah, homemade hot chocolate.

Cerberus

Yay!

Mahnax

04:45

@Cerberus Good!

Cerberus

Do you use milk, or just hot water?

Mahnax

Half milk, half water.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Mahnax

Yeah. And I add a drop or two of peppermint extract.

Cerberus

What happens if you use water and a bit of cold cream instead of milk?

@Mahnax Interesting. That would taste like After Eight?

Mahnax

04:46

Probably a similar effect, but we never have cream in the house.

@Cerberus Exactly. It's very good.

I have no school tomorrow! Yay!

Cerberus

Hmm OK. The thing is, I think it will be easier and quicker if you don't need to heat up milk.

Mahnax

Yeah, that would be better.

Cerberus

Then again, perhaps that isn't really an issue with a microwave.

@Mahnax Congrats!

Mahnax

@Cerberus merci.

I love days off.

Do you work today?

Your today, not mine.

Cerberus

I worked today, but it's night now, hehe.

And have to go in a minute, by the way.

Sleepy time and all.

Mahnax

04:50

Hmm? Oh! It's not even 10 PM here. I thought it was later. And that's cool, bai!

Cerberus

Oh, so we're 8 hours apart.

Funny.

Is that Canada's westernmost zone?

user19161

10:14

-3

Q: What is the past tense of ring?

Which of the following is correct? "Bob rang me" "Bob rung me" "I rang Bob" "I rung Bob"

past-tense

user19161

I don't like the answer. Why is ring idiomatic? And no need to add did, one can just say rang.

user19161

-1

Q: problem with lyrics

What is the proper word? showed or show? Living in a dream. You're wearing makeup. Living in a sin. It’s time to wake up. It’s a case of liberation When you showed up in disguise Flashing eyes in your direction Now they caught you with their lies My partner and I having trouble decide. I...

meaning-in-context lyrics

user19161

OT or whatever.

user19161

11:07

@Mahnax Bai != bye. Minus one.

user19161

11:26

-1

Q: What is the opposite of numerous?

I expected the answer to be innumerous, but that seems to be "too many to count". There must be a negative to numerous that isn't simply "few".

numbers

user19161

GR or whatever.

JSBᾶngs

13:20

woo! -17F here, without windchill. that's -27C

Kitḫ

4

Q: Is there a name for the feeling "Damn, I already asked this question three years ago"?

I'll copy from Meta: I admit I'm sometimes too quick with the gun when firing away questions. Does the feeling "Damn, I just asked this now, and I see it's a dup of a question I asked three years ago" have a name? Preemptive word for the smart: "Lazy" is a good term for the asker, but not for ...

phrase-requests

Why is this open with a bunch of answers?

Cerberus

Hi!

Kitḫ

Hi!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

People! We need help! 800 behind!

Cerberus

Kill it.

Kitḫ

13:24

@JSBᾶngs Good lord. Did you shiver through the night?

@RegDwightѬſ道 I'll be right there.

Cerberus

Hi!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm at 32/3 on active, but I can't pull it off alone.

Cerberus

I'll give them a shot.

Kitḫ

@RegDwightѬſ道 Fear decks? Or not so much?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

A couple, actually. Pathrazers, no GSes.

Cerberus

13:26

> Do you want to try out the Cheat Engine toolbar?

What do you think!!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm running LtW.

Kitḫ

OK.

Oh an Orbital Platform! How quaint!

Cerberus

Spent.

Kitḫ

Me too.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ it's nice and toasty in the house

Cerberus

13:35

Why isn't JSB playing anyway?

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs That's good. Did you get the day off of work?

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ don't be ridiculous. i'm here at work now.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs Well, I was hoping.

JSBᾶngs

if it were snowing i could stay home. or if it were closer to -30.

Kitḫ

I can't remember the cutoff here. I think it's -30 too.

JSBᾶngs

13:39

does it get that cold in maine?

Kitḫ

Yeah.

JSBᾶngs

i thought you were warmer by virtue of being nearer the sea

Kitḫ

Well, the coastal regions tend to be warmer, but we get a lot of wind off the arctic shield.

That's from the other direction, so the ocean doesn't help much.

And neither does Canada. Thanks a lot, Canada!

Cerberus

I don't think anybody would be doing anything here at -27 C.

JSBᾶngs

it's actually not that bad

Kitḫ

13:41

Canada's kind of like the gap in your collar that the snow falls down.

JSBᾶngs

if you're well dressed, it's not difficult to be outside

Cerberus

I think we had -21 once, at night. It was terrible.

But your face!

Kitḫ

It's the insta-freeze of my nasal passages that I particularly dislike.

Cerberus

nods

Kitḫ

And I wear glasses, so I can actually feel the heat being conducted away from my face at that temperature.

JSBᾶngs

13:42

when i stepped outside this morning i took several deep breaths just to feel the wonderful brisk air

Cerberus

And on a bicycle you will just fall down and die.

Kitḫ

I went winter camping once in -20F.

JSBᾶngs

well, yeah. you'd never ride a bike in this weather.

Cerberus

I don't get why people have ever settled outside the south of France.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ really? yowza. i've never been winter camping.

Cerberus

13:43

@JSBᾶngs That is impossible here.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs I was on a search and rescue team when I was in high school. It was part of our training.

Cerberus

Okay, if you're hopping from home to car to work, it is doable.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ that sounds like fun, actually. though for now i'll stick with summer camping.

@Cerberus that's the way we live around here. no one goes outside in this weather.

Cerberus

Understandable.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs It was...empowering. I don't know if I would choose to do it now, but it was thrilling then.

And it illustrated the finer points of cold weather survival in ways that books just can't.

Like not letting your feet sweat.

Cerberus

13:46

And what is the secret to that?

Kitḫ

Stay comfortably cool.

Wear two layers of socks.

JSBᾶngs

i know from skiing that overdressing (and sweating under your clothes) can be as bad as underdressing

Kitḫ

One cotton, inside out, and one wool.

@JSBᾶngs Yes, yes. Comfortably cool, we had that reamed into our heads. If you sweat, you're dead.

Obviously not if you are skiing though. Then you just go into the lodge.

JSBᾶngs

but who wants to go into the lodge? you bought that lift ticket so you could stay on the slopes

Kitḫ

If you say so. I've never been skiing.

That sounds wrong. Never gone skiing?

JSBᾶngs

13:50

i haven't been for several years.

@Kitḫ both sound fine to me

Kitḫ

OK thanks.

I started thinking about it too much.

@JSBᾶngs I suppose there aren't too many mountains where you are.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ i grew up in colorado where we have plenty of mountains. anyway, there is a ski resort on a large-ish hill about an hour from here. i've been there once. it's ok.

Kitḫ

Hmm. How did this user manage to enter a null value in a date field when it won't let you do that?

@JSBᾶngs Colorado is a place where I must go. I've had friends and family there over the years, but never visited.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ where in Colorado?

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs Let me think. My brother-in-law went to grad school there. Boulder, I think? And I had a group of friends who lived somewhere near Denver. And my best friend lived out there for a while with her husband, but I don't remember where.

I think maybe our first family road trip will have to be to the Southwest. I haven't seen any of it.

We were going to go through there by way of Colorado on our honeymoon, but we ran out of time.

JSBᾶngs

13:57

that's so interesting. i've spent my entire life in the west. i've barely been east of the Mississippi

Kitḫ

It's definitely different.

JSBᾶngs

there's some great stuff in boulder

Kitḫ

Markedly different across the Mississippi.

JSBᾶngs

but if you're visiting colorado i think you'd want to do Rocky Mountain National Park instead

Kitḫ

I'll keep that in mind.

JSBᾶngs

13:58

i've been to Washington DC and Florida. that's it.

oh, and i had a layover once it atlanta, but that doesn't count

Kitḫ

Wow. That's not much.

Florida doesn't look that much different than southern California.

Except flatter.

I like DC. I think it is very impressive.

JSBᾶngs

oh, i guess i've also been to wisconsin and illinois, which are technically east of the mississippi. i may have driven through more of the midwest when i visited toronto, but i don't remember any of it

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