@WillHunting nothing is better than Antarctica

I'd rather have nothing than Antarctica

Parts of Antarctica aren't the worst

The government in Antarctica is problematic, but there's very little crime.

Is there much poverty?

I hear the cost of living is very high

The Ganges delta in Bangladesh. That place sucks

@WillHunting alte there urban slums?

Probably not

@WillHunting yes but all the way at the mouth, where there is terrible flooding

@WillHunting that's a government problem.

@WillHunting depends on what you value.

I used to go to used bookstores all the time.

Ok forget Antarctica. How about that math thing?

What is your personal assessment of category theory?

Very few people work on P vs NP directly. I have worked on some things extremely tangentially related things.

Far in the past

MP may be reducible to P or may be NP-complete

I think RH is proof equivalent to the collatz conjecture

There's my only hint

Nice

Really?

Then Spanish will be easy

I think it might be confusing to learn Italian Spanish and French at the same time

Hm

Oh yeah

I would put G in the middle to break it up

Since you have familiarity with the pronunciation?

R's are the worst

Trilling?

Yes the German and French r's are not natural for english

I think the French r is a voiced uvular fricative

Which is not exactly the first thing you would label with 'r'

@WillHunting trilling your r's in German is very very high register. So high that normal people don't come close, only fancy book readers

@WillHunting you've scoured YouTube?

Maybe in addition to looking for specific instruction on those sounds, listen to movies with subtitles and find small clips where the sounds appear

Yes or just the movie lotr.

In german

With German subtitles

They're very good at capturing corresponding accents

Like RP->Hoch Deutsch

Welsh accent-> Plattdeutsch

Cockney->Berlin?

@WillHunting it's closer to the American r than it is to h

Well pronouncing them as h or silent would be even more foreign

The German r is just further back

(Than the American r)

Yeah.

Passable. Silent or h would be a different word altogether

I'm watching Looper right now

It's a time travel action adventure love story, with Bruce Willis

Some of the time travel plot points are idiotic, but on the whole interesting

He can't help his baldness. But that's why he shaves his head.

It obviously doesn't help

Wear a hat

To keep off the sun

With a beard

Ok gotta run talk to you later

What's the difference between "is removed" and "has been removed" ?

That's how I like my bananas...

zzz

No, Yes, and Yes, respectively. "I wonder", "I'm confused", and "I'm impressed"

Ah, got it

What do you say for "when the egg <opens>"?

@crl who you talking to?

anyone, just looking for the right verb

an egg hatches? yes I guess

@Shafizadeh - I wander :))

@Mitch how would you call the Spanish one then?

which I never manage to pronounce right

@KitZ.Fox General friendliness brightens up a workplace and is very welcome. When does it cross the line? It's hard to say without specifics (and this forum is public, so I'm not asking for them), but if you see signs of withdrawing (stepping backwards, repeated flimsy excuses to leave, etc), that's a good clue. Naturally, if you're taking up so much of his time that he's becoming unproductive at work, that's a problem, too. Sharing funny jokes at the lunch break? That's normally welcome.

I'm not sure whether that addresses what you were asking about, though.

@Mazura hmmm persimmons, even unripe they are still delicious

@crl :D

@crl Spanish has two rhotic phonemes, but minimal pairs exist only intervocalically, such as pero–perro. These are respectively single and multiple voiced coronal taps/flaps, with the latter often called a trill because of its multiple hits. German has only a single rhotic phoneme, but many realizations.

@WillHunting ok. thx

@crl what @tchrist said, initial r or in the middle of a word spelled 'rr' is the trill. a trill is just multiple fast flaps. or a flap is a trill stopped after one. See Rhotics at end of sonorants section. When a trill and when a flap is slightly more complicated than what I said.

@crl r's are messed up, every language does it differently. I cant think of anything in French that corresponds to the Spanish single flap 'r'. From English it corresponds closely to the the flap in the middle of 'rider/writer'

@Mitch It's harder than that. All Rs in Spanish are at least slightly rolled. Double ones are rolled for longer. Also, the Spanish R is made by placing the tongue just behind the tip of one's teeth and compressing it so it has a point, while the English one needs the tongue to be flatter and touching the two sides of one's mouth.

Basically, the simple Spanish R is how a Scot would pronounce writer. A Scott with a soft accent anyway.

*Scot :)

I always mix that up. I had a Scottish friend called Scott in university and he's screwed my spelling up.

Yes, and then there's his grandmother, Scotoma.

@WillHunting Nice, isn't it? I love the Scottish accent.

it can be very gentle, too

@WillHunting That sounds like the worst possible way to ensure the health of a baby.

Short of sacrificing the baby itself

@MετάEd Mother of darkness, I like it!

Happy belated May Day, @MετάEd.

@KitZ.Fox :-)

Power to the people!

In solidarity, my brother.

@KitZ.Fox Never forget May Day.

I do remember that. It seemed to get overshadowed by Easter.

My code compiles correctly but refuses to print out anything

Anyone can help me here?

dpaste.com/04D213J

What's your out for System.out?

I have no idea

It's just a coding practice

System.out.println("String");

Just prints out whatever is in it

Right, but where it prints to is configurable.

Really?

Are you expecting it to print to your console window?

Yes

Just print at all

It just won't print anywhere

Yes, it outputs to a printstream. You can tell it where to send the printstream, like to a file or whatever.

That's Java?

This is just code for my class

And yes

My teacher says it isn't printing wherever he is printing it to

I can't seem to find out why

I don't remember if there's a default or if it has to be set explicitly. My Java is pretty rusty.

Whatever the default is, it doesn't matter

It just flat out won't print

It's set in the environment variables initially.

@Shafizadeh I'm am wonder

Here, this might help: javapapers.com/core-java/system-out-println

I don't believe it's because of println

It must be something wrong with the loop

Maybe the randomint is broken

It's not. It's because your out is configured differently.

It works in every other program

OK. It;s not that then.

Does "Rock, paper, or scissors?" print?

Yes

It might help to say that I added the else at the end just recently

I have a compiler, but not something that can run the code so I can see what's wrong

I'll post the first version right now

Try outputting the randomint and the captured input, make sure those are as you expect.

I can't output

I have a compiler that tells me if the syntax is correct, but no way to run it

So you're coding blind?

That's my experience

Somehow I made it this far

dpaste.com/0ZVN3G3

That's the broken version

So...how do you know it doesn't work?

My instructor responded

He'll check on my progress about three times a month

He'll tell me what went wrong without telling me any way of fixing it

You need to be able to run it. How are you going to learn how to test your code?

I know, right?

I didn't even have a compiler for the first month and a half

How can you compile it without being able to run it?

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It'll just tell me if the syntax is correct

I can't actually run it

@snailboat It's a school computer

I have to wait for the incompetent school board for anything to happen

It's a family computer

No downloads

I don't know if I should just take the 80% on the assignment or try over and over

Sounds like family and school board need a healthy dose of natural consequences.

So fail the class to prove the point.

But that goes on my record

Yeah. So?

I'll just take the 80%

It's one assignment

"I failed it because I was supposed to learn Java without a compiler or means of executing code."

@snailboat "It's an old computer, it can't handle any downloads. Can't you do that at school?"

"No."

"Try harder"

@KitZ.Fox At least it tells me if the syntax works.

That's good enough for me.

I'll just avoid using the random module

Well, it's not good enough. That's like trying to learn to drive a car without having a car.

Your responsible adults are failing you.

It's like learning to drive a car with one arm tied behind my back and wearing a slightly opaque blindfold

Feasible but ridiculous

No, because you can't learn to code without running your code.

I've learned the basics so far.

Just like you can't learn to drive without actually driving.

This is the only one I've got a return request on

random just really likes being finicky

@DeltaEscher No, you haven't. You can't learn how to code without learning how to fix things, and you can't learn how to fix things unless you can see what's broken.

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm annoyed with people who are not setting you up for success.

Ironically, our school believes in the teachers supplying the students with materials so they can guide themselves to success

Cool!

Can I have my materials now?

Well

Lunchtime

Bye for 45 minutes

@MετάEd And there's his red-headed other grandmother, Keratoma

Keratomata

And her husband Keratomato.

You guys don't actually know that keratomata means infidelities in Greek, right?

I thought it meant I was cutting my skin.

It comes from kerato which means horn. Hence the protein keratin which is a constituent of skin.

I've often wondered why so many languages associate cuckold with horns.

I think I found an English expression that did so as well. Does that ring any bells?

I'm not clear on what you are asking.

@KitZ.Fox Whether there is any expression to describe either the act of sexual infidelity or either of the persons involved that has something to do with "horns".

In Greek, to "give someone horns" is to cheat on them. In Spanish, a cornudo, someone who has horns, is a cuckold.

I've heard similar things in other languages and I was wondering if there's something like it in English.

Horny is the first thing I can think of, but that's just sexual arousal.

I seem to recall having mused about this before and that I found some expression or other.

@KitZ.Fox Ah, maybe that's what I'm (mis)remembering.

Horndog describes a man who is lascivious.

What!? Is that what Elvis meant?

Well, it is a cruder version of hound dog, but yes.

Huh.

A hound dog is more like a skirt-chaser.

Still, both cases probably refer to the phallic nature of horns. Which may well be the origin of the expressions in other languages.

A horndog would be more of ill-repute.

Nice.