English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user19161

21:00

@Cerberus Oh we have that too but it's not so easy to fall into those.

@Cerberus oh, australian, british, new zealander, indian, etc, all the other varieties of english are very different to us. But then so is Southern US.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 So is Singlish.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy Hm, we don't really have that here. our rainwater drains onto the streets and we have sewers that take it from there.

@JasperLoy probably but I'm not familiar with it.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah OK, then I feel the same way mostly, though I no doubt experience the differences as less intense.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 To me it's more like broken English though.

Cerberus

21:02

We also have many canals that are much deeper.

Most don't have railings.

user19161

Wah I have 10 hits from the US in the past two hours!

user19161

@Cerberus Those I showed are literally everywhere.

user19161

And the trees are everywhere too, hence the term "clean and green city".

user19161

That's one good thing about this place I must say.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

theoatmeal.com/horrible

user19161

21:07

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I have not had oatmeal for the last decade. Time to try some again.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy will, that link is THE Oatmeal

anyway, time for me to leave. ttyl

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Doesn't every city have trees?

We have drains too, but they are underground.

Bye Mr!

user19161

@Cerberus But the trees here are really everywhere.

user19161

I mean I would think that the tree to land area density is very high.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy When I walk around Singapore, I see trees, but nothing abnormal...

user19161

21:14

@Cerberus Walk around?

Cerberus

Street View.

user19161

@Cerberus You mean from Google?

Cerberus

Yes.

user19161

Hmm, OK. Google street view doesn't show too much though.

user19161

@cerb Everytime I see your avatar I just feel like saying woof!

user19161

21:17

Woof, woof!

Cerberus

I have no problem with that.

aedia λ

Arf?

user19161

Huh?

aedia λ

Singaporean dogs don't say arf?

user19161

What is arf?

aedia λ

21:25

It's like woof but different.

user19161

No, they don't.

user19161

In fact I say arf!

aedia λ

For when you run out of things to put in talk bubbles, I suppose.

I feel like I've asked @Cerb multiple times what Dutch doggies say, but I don't really remember. Woef, maybe?

user19161

It's real funny. We meant to say F meaning the grade when you fail, but then we were trying to imitate this lecturer with a strong accent, so we said arf instead of F!

aedia λ

Heh.

Cerberus

21:26

@aediaλ Woef and waf, yes.

Arf sounds familiar, but it's probably only English.

aedia λ

It's a good noise for a medium-size dog.

user19161

Woof!

user19161

Arf!

user19161

Boo!

user19161

Now I have more sounds in my collection!

aedia λ

21:29

Not yip or yap or anything, and woof connotes a bigger dog sometimes. Makes me think of this guy:

user19161

@aediaλ YAP stands for yet another previewer. It is for viewing DVI files on Windows!

aedia λ

My goodness! I'm beginning to think there isn't any short word that hasn't been acronymified.

user19161

I wonder what aedia stands for.

aedia λ

@Cerberus That's really a thing people are researching? It seems like people's reactions to those stimuli would be so varied as to make assessment pretty difficult...

Cerberus

@aediaλ No, it is very specific!

If you don't recognize it, then you don't have it, at least not in the weird "attention" kind of situations.

It may be related to being in love.

Or having a moderate crush.

aedia λ

21:43

@JasperLoy Automatic Enigmatic Devious Imagination Augmentation? Ardent Engineered Dreamlike Intensive Aviation? Alphabetic Empathetic Dwarves, Intelligent, Angelic?

@Cerberus There's a good feeling when my hair is brushed or things like that, but I don't at all recognize any tingly feeling from watching people do things.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Hmm...when someone plays the piano for you?

aedia λ

I am fascinated by plenty of things but I don't think I've noticed a physical feeling that goes with it.

Cerberus

OK.

It is so weird that you would have noticed.

aedia λ

I get teary-eyed.

At a lot of stuff.

Sometimes even just music.

Cerberus

Yeah, I don't know, that may be related.

Having a crush on someone might too.

aedia λ

21:47

But that's the only thing that is a strong physical change for me.

Cerberus

By the way, I am strongly convinced that having a crush is itself totally non-sexual.

aedia λ

There's a crush feeling that I can think of, but that's not tingly, it's like... hmm. Stomachy.

Cerberus

Maybe it's different, or maybe someone you have a crush on can trigger his thing more easily. I really don't know, very complicated.

But you do get it with the scalp/neck/back massage thing?

aedia λ

Like stomach growly and butterflies and nervous and want to stomp your feet and run around and listen to fast music and you're excited and scared. That's kind of the crush feeling I can think of.

I guess? I do like that most of the time, but sometimes when people touch my back or something I don't like it. So the good feeling I can think of is more of a just warm feeling, and the tingly part is a bad feeling, like chills up my spine in a bad way, too much sensation, like someone touching the back of your neck when you weren't expecting it.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Hmm no, that's not it, so that must be the typical crush feeling that we all experience.

@aediaλ A warm feeling, but not tingling?

aedia λ

21:59

@Cerberus Right, I don't think I would say I have much of any tingling that I associate with anything positive, but I do have things that give me a warm happy feeling.

Cerberus

Hmm.

@aediaλ I'd say warm and happy if different, though it may happen in similar situations.

The tingling in scalp and neck is very specific.

aedia λ

I also have experienced paresthesia repeatedly from medication changes, which was extremely unpleasant. But this ASMR thing is supposed to be different than paresthesia?

Cerberus

Oh, yes!

aedia λ

And it's not just a feeling, it's as if the scalp/neck tingle?

Cerberus

This thingy is extremely pleasant.

aedia λ

22:06

I definitely don't feel that unless someone actually is touching my head. Not from watching or listening to someone.

Cerberus

It is a tingling sensation that you don't really think is on your skin, but, if you had to localize it, it would be like silvery drops of pleasure going through the skin of scalp and neck.

aedia λ

I might be terribly excited to be near someone and feel it in a crush-y way, but it's more stomach-y.

I sometimes have a really really good stretch?

Cerberus

I think that is different.

@aediaλ Hmm I don't know.

aedia λ

Haha writing stretch made me yawn.

Cerberus

Another interesting phenomenon!

aedia λ

22:09

Oh no! Writing yawn made me yawn again!

Cerberus

Silly unicorn.

leads you towards sleeping meadow

aedia λ

bats at your tail playfully

Cerberus

There, have some clover.

aedia λ

I don't zzzz need zzzz a nap zzzz!

Mmm, soft, comfy, clover.

Cerberus

spreads bed of clover

with some warm narwhal milk

aedia λ

22:20

Awwh, thank you.

laps milk

Kitḫ

22:32

nudges plate of moonlight toward @aedia

aedia λ

@Kitḫ nibbles sleepily

Cerberus

Circadian rhythm sleep disorder

Circadian rhythm sleep disorders are a family of sleep disorders affecting, among other things, the timing of sleep. People with circadian rhythm sleep disorders are unable to sleep and wake at the times required for normal work, school, and social needs. They are generally able to get enough sleep if allowed to sleep and wake at the times dictated by their body clocks. Unless they also have another sleep disorder, their sleep is of normal quality. Humans, like most animals and plants, have biological rhythms, known as circadian rhythms, which are controlled by a biological clock and work...

Kitḫ

whispers I found two more easy-to-get shouts.

Cerberus

Why aren't you shouting about whispers?

aedia λ

@Cerberus It only says "people... unable to sleep and wake at the times required for" normal thingamajiggers. It doesn't say unicorns. I can still pretend I'm normal.

Kitḫ

22:38

@Cerberus I don't want to get the sleepy unicorn too excited.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Right, unicorns are timeless, aren't they?

@Kitḫ Very wise.

But you may after all induce the Other Thingie in her.

asmr-research.org

@Kitḫ Do you know this? ^

Kitḫ

@Cerberus The phenomenon yes, the group no. Sounds um, a bit flaky.

Cerberus

I meant the phenomenon.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Don't tell me yet! Unless they're really fun...

Cerberus

Flaky how? It is probably not by some official scientific institution.

@Kitḫ So you get it too when someone explains something to you, sometimes?

Kitḫ

22:43

@aediaλ One is for revealing creatures, the other is part of frost breath...

aedia λ

Revealing creatures?

Kitḫ

@Cerberus I can sometimes think myself into it.

aedia λ

Sounds naughty.

Kitḫ

giggle Go to sleep, equine.

aedia λ

I have to um, bus and things I do to get to the bed.

Cerberus

22:45

@Kitḫ Hmm, what do you do to get it?

@aediaλ Okay, have fun with your rainbows and clovers and beds!

> People with narcolepsy may dream even when they only fall asleep for a few seconds.

"Even"?

Isn't that normal?

aedia λ

@Cerberus I will!

Cerberus

Good!

aedia λ

I dreamed all the time when I used to fall asleep in class in college.

Cerberus

phew

aedia λ

I thought that was normal too.

Kitḫ

22:46

@Cerberus Do you know much about the sleep cycle? Dreams come at the end of it usually.

Cerberus

So did I.

@Kitḫ Uh but how come Aedia and I both have this?

Perhaps that doesn't count as dreaming?

Kitḫ

I think alpha sleep is sometimes confused with dreaming...

aedia λ

It could be like, awake dreaming.

Cerberus

It is more like something happens that is a variation of what is actually happening in class.

aedia λ

Haha exactly.

Dreams and reality start to mix.

Cerberus

22:47

Yeah.

Kitḫ

That sounds like alpha sleep to me.

It is sort of like your subconscious detaches from your consciousness.

aedia λ

Or you go to wait for your friend, fall asleep on your backpack sitting on the floor, and have an insane dream, and then your friend wakes you up after only a half hour or less.

Cerberus

Like when you turn off your alarm clock, and yet it keeps going off—because you only dreamed you were turning it off, while in fact you didn't move.

Kitḫ

Your awareness is still awake in your head, but the rest of your brain is trying to sleep.

aedia λ

Oh god the other day I dreamed it was Saturday and it wasn't.

It was awful.

Cerberus

22:48

@aediaλ Insane like what?

@Kitḫ Hmm so how can we tell the difference between that and actual dreams?

Kitḫ

But normal sleep cycles vary in length, between about twenty minutes and an hour.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Like, I don't know, that you understand lambda calculus.

Cerberus

Hehehe.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus A lot of times you can't, until you wake up.

Cerberus

Oh, you know what I also always have? When I'm reading, and I doze off, I continue to read something that isn't in the text for a few seconds, then I wake up again, rinse and repeat.

But I will actually think that the story continues as I am making it up in my brain.

aedia λ

22:51

Oh me too, but the worst part is, I don't stop the first time, I do it like twenty times before I decide it's finally time to go to sleep.

Cerberus

And I don't drop the book.

@aediaλ Of course!! I do that every night several times.

aedia λ

I fall asleep in dialogue trees in videogames too and I don't let go the mouse either.

Cerberus

Hehehe.

Kitḫ

Alpha sleep is a hypnotic state, so bear in mind that you are highly susceptible to suggestion.

Cerberus

Yeah that must be it, then.

It feels like that.

@Kit: So do you have the tingling sensation more often with older people?

I don't, but I read that.

I sometimes have it when this kid I am tutoring is explaining something to me.

Kitḫ

22:53

Huh? Maybe I should take a closer look at that website.

Cerberus

It never happens the other way around.

Kitḫ

I don't often get it with people.

Well, I don't often get it.

Cerberus

Someone playing a musical instrument specially for you?

Scalp/neck rubs?

user19161

@aediaλ Very clever!

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Exceptionally rarely.

Cerberus

22:55

It should really be just the two of you in the room, the other person playing.

Oh, and tennis lessons!

Kitḫ

You know, you are probably having lots of episodes of alpha sleep because you are not getting enough delta.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Delta is REM?

user19161

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Q: How to say "She/He is my girlfriend/boyfriend" without the possessive MY

Is there a way to indicate to people that somebody is your girlfriend without using possessive terms? I think saying She/He is my partner, or other half is ok for married people, but it doesn't feel right for girlfriends and boyfriends.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus No, delta is deep sleep.

Cerberus

Oh.

user19161

22:56

Is there a reason why my answer was downvoted?

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Well, you are most probably right.

But that isn't related to the tingly feeling.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ ~~I don't do it so much anymore~~ I didn't do it so much after college except dragons keep me awake lately.

I should have the discipline to sleep, but I... I just... I can't help myself.

Cerberus

I know, it sucks.

I plan to write a script that shuts down my PC at 4 am.

user19161

@Cerberus Please see my answer to above o classicist!

Cerberus

With 15 minutes' warning.

user19161

22:59

@Cerberus You should just shut it down before sleeping.

aedia λ

The shutdown is to make him sleep!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Upvote.

@aediaλ You get it!

user19161

@Cerberus Xie Xie!

Cerberus

@JasperLoy I agree that "possessive" is just a general label that doesn't necessarily indicate actual possession.

But "there is no alternative" is a bit too strong.

user19161

@Cerberus Aye, and rather than coming up with contrived ways of saying something we should just use my.

Cerberus

23:00

Agreed.

Is most situations.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus No, I imagine not.

Cerberus

So when do you most often get it?

Kitḫ

I'll have to think about it.

I'm a bit distracted right now.

Cerberus

OK.

user19161

@Cerberus Look at downvoter's comment. Another nutcase.

Cerberus

23:04

Work, or something even more troubling?

Or Skyrim?

Kitḫ

Um, feeding boys, then putting them to bed.

Also, warring.

Then chat and Skyrim in about an hour and a half.

My husband is at a meeting tonight.

Cerberus

Understandable.

@JasperLoy See my comment.

user19161

@Cerberus But I do see his point. Perhaps he did not see mine. Anyway he removed his comment.

user19161

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Q: I want to murder all humans

Ok, not really. But I was wondering what the appropriate word is for that; "Genocide" applies to murdering all people of a certain race, while "Omnicide" means ending all life. What is the correct word for wanting to kill all members of a certain species? (Does it matter if it's humans, or would ...

single-word-requests

user19161

I was scared when I saw this.

user19161

23:13

I thought it was spam but it's not.

user19161

@cerb You are still nocturnal these days?

Mahnax

23:36

Hey all. I just asked a question on SO and I think I'm going to get eaten alive.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

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Q: Alternative to "Merry Christmas"

The common greeting for the new year is I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year. Since Christmas has religious roots, it may not be suitable for people who are not religious. Shortening the greeting to I wish you a happy new year seems lame. What's a charming alternative?

phrases greetings

Someone please sell this question to me.

It's a question for a Ms Manners site.

I was about to kill it will fire, but then I noticed that it has answers from Robert Cartaino and @Kit

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 It doesn't matter who answers it; if it's worthy of closing, then close.

My question on SO got 4 close votes in one minute....

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well, you know that something must be wrong when (highly upvoted) answers are prefaced with "This is a social propriety question and not a language question".

Anyhow, I went ahead and closed it. Feel free to grill me about it.

Next up:

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Q: spelling change VS vocabulary change

If I have "Tell me witch one to use!" and change it to "Tell me which one to use!" What did I technically perform? 1. A spelling change? The spelling changed, but I used an existing word (just in the wrong context) 3. A vocabulary change? Both words exist in the english lingo, but this was ...

grammar vocabulary spelling

Mahnax

@RegDwightѬſ道 Good job. I'm proud of you.

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