In my world though when you step on a cockroach instead of a squishy crunch, you get a farting noise

@Mitch Like children toy?

Unfortunately in my world I have to go. L8r. Ab2

Cya!

No like a cockroach. Oh the farting? Yes.

what is txtspeak for bis spaeter?

No like a cockroach. Oh the farting? Yes.

Dupe.

Damn, I coulda closed that by myself, but when I close-voted the question was unintelligible so I voted to close based on "Unclear what you're asking."

@Cerberus yeah this is probably one of the best examples for demonstrating how "effective" is not the same as "efficient".

> what the deference between 'inter-city' and 'intercity'

It is the same deference as that between "difference" and "derévérence".

Right!

Just so.

Left!

Immer geradeaus!

I always wondered what the differences between inter-molecular forces and intermolecular forces have been.

Except the fact that the spellchecker knows the latter as a misspelling.

Then maybe that's it.

But again, it knows covalent as a misspelling too. O.o

Well, I always wondered why, in the Alien series, they specified that the creatures had "molecular acid" for blood. All acid is molecular acid. Sheesh.

@Robusto It sounds geeky.

Suppose you post a question, it gets several answers and votes and you realize/are informed the question needs major work. Do you delete it and start over or fix it and risk changing the originally interpreted meaning?

@Okuma.Tony Fix it.

So... um... you do buy things online under a fake name, after all?

@Okuma.Tony If there are upgoated answers, you can't delete it.

@RegDwigнt Ah, Der Spiegel . . . is there any depth to which you won't stoop?

@M.A.Ramezani Perfect. I like answers without a choice.

@RegDwigнt That's an intellectual work-around to the question.

Goated :D

@Robusto But fattening.

Better than downgoated

@Okuma.Tony What's wrong with an edit, BTW? If you'll nullify answers, you shouldn't be changing anything in the first place.

@Robusto Yeah that interview in particular is quite something. He throws marketese around like "there is a lot of text in this movie", "I have to talk a lot so that the movie works for people who'd never seen the ones before it", "it's an emotional story", which are euphemisms for "it sucks", "forced-exposition-is-forced trope", and "it sucks", respectively — and they don't call him out on it a single time.

@skillpatrol Downgoats drive a lot of people crazy. Trust me. I've been wasting time in like, 20 metas, reading downgoat whines.

I see.

And these are just examples. Basically you can just tell that Schwarzenegger never attended the interview, and neither did Spiegel Online, but rather the film studio just invented it start to finish.

:O fake commercialism, what a surprise

Hold on a second, are they telling me the girl in Terminator Genisys is the same as that in Game of Thrones?

Really, is that a surprise? Or am I missing the pun?

@RegDwigнt Squinting

Haha lol roflmao I always said she'd be easily OVER 9000 hawter if not for the stupid fake dyed hair.

Wha' are you getting at?

I am getting at that she is hideous as fuck in what I've seen of Game of Thrones, but an eye candy in what I've seen of Genisys.

In fact, forget the "I am getting at" part.

@RegDwigнt Yeah, the normal human is always hotter.

That's not even my point. My point was that the poorly dyed hair was dyed poorly.

They forgot her eyebrows.

So she looks like some creepy monster.

And nobody gives a shit, including herself.

@RegDwigнt Yeah, in GoT it looks like they used real bleach on her hair. Maybe even lye.

I have to thank everyone involved, because had she looked like she does in Genisys, I would have to have watched this entire Game of Thrones thing, and I don't want to have to have watched this entire Game of Thrones thing.

OK, time to confess: I've never watched GoT.

You are my personal Hero.

You want it to stay that way, you know what to do.

I know what to do, I know what to do, don't distract me!

@RegDwigнt Less time wasted than reading the books, though.

@Robusto seeing how I wasted an hour on the book, but only a total of maybe ten minutes on the series, you sir are precisely right.

What is a book? O.O

So if a maid fades, the book will fade too?

@Robusto no way. Someone already used these exact words before? OMG. Thank you for telling me.

It was an amplifying reference for people not as versed in drivel as you and I, not a rebuttal or a chastisement. Lighten up.

Same at you.

NO U.

NO U!

NO U2!

I was never a peacekeeper.

Let's fight.

Sorry, I can't fight peace. I am already a freedom fighter.

Priorities, priorities.

Ding, ding. Round #1

Hmm, that's an ultimatum.

Ultima Technical University of Munich?

And something just short of an ultimatum is a penultimatum.

Aaaah a first round knockout!!!

Nonono, penultimatum is an injury to the male member.

Yes.

Passes out

You can't pass out if you've not even passed in.

@snailboat The antepenultimatum married the unclepenultimatum, silly.

And for all you know your exam prof would be Gandalf.

::splashes water on @M.A.Ramezani::

Passes in

Isn't it iftar there yet?

An hour and 5 mins left.

@Robusto 'Unclepenultimatum' means clepenultimatum? What a country!

P*sses in

@M.A.Ramezani But who's counting?

OKay that's enough phrasal verbs for today. . .

Pissed off?

@Robusto My toes.

@Robusto phone.

@skillpatrol pussed off.

Phonicular.

Jammo, jammo 'ncoppa jammo ja!

What the ಠ_ಠ?

Jammo jámas.

Oh crud.

@Robusto Jammo say jammo again.

@RegDwigнt That was the reference.

I think I'll go into Russian.SE and vote to close every question as "Not clear what you're asking."

@Robusto yeah but apparently you were right about not-as-versed people. I am learning this the hard way.

BTW for the curious, ಠ_ಠ is our meme in The Periodic Table: chat.stackexchange.com/…

@M.A.Ramezani Oh, so that's where YouTube and 4chan got it.

@Robusto for that you'd first have to get 125 by answering questions. For that, you'd have to understand the questions. For that, the questions would have to be clear. Can you spell Catchski-22evich yet?

Yep.

I mean you'd have to get 125 points. But fuck it, it actually makes more sense as is. So I am leaving it as is.

@RegDwigнt Don't rain on my charade.

Too mean?

No?

The question is unclear as [the process of breeding or generating the next generation].

Nah.

But people perceive things as harsh all of the time, so be prepared.

Heck, someone flamed me back at chem.SE the other day for this comment of mine:

Haha. They flamed you on chem. Was it with a Bunsenbrenner?

> Please don't add "thanks" as answers. Invest some time in the site and you will gain sufficient privileges to upvote answers you like, which is the chem.SE way of saying thank you.

@RegDwigнt Yes. Burned through my last silicon.

@M.A.Ramezani see, the only problem with that is that it's too polite.

Yes.

It is clear that you are euphemizing. And that's what people don't like about it.

I should've used the P-word at least.

You can say "privileges" . . .

Yeah. I found "cunting" to be a very good substitute for "please".

It's the all-purpose madlib.

No man, chem.SE ain't ELU. And it was a first-time poster.

It's a heaven there. You don't know it. . .

We don't have the big cities' problem yet.

For the goodness sake, mods don't delete +1 comments there even when they're truly noise.

If you have time to delete +1 comments, then you are clearly not in a big city of any kind.

In a big city, nobody cares if you leave a +1 comment, or a dump on the sidewalk twice every block.

Looking at you, Paris.

What part of the big city is that?

And in a really big city, people don't care for +1 comments, but do care about not having any person or animal shit in public, ever.

@snailboat inaka.se? Does it work as a domain name?

That's basically the difference between Moscow and Paris.

@skillpatrol try Champs Elysées. Or any of the adjacent streets. For best results, wear white shoes and look up in the sky.

See? I remember some kanjiae's.

Oh crap I should be muting commies. Why is nobody ever telling me that.

Au boudoir !

Hey, you should be muting commies!

Later pal

Too late.

@RegDwigнt Mute commies!

NOW!

Whatever.

@snailboat It's appalling how much I've forgotten. hangs head in shame

You should be ashamed of yourself you, you, polyglot :-)

I'm working on a fresh language now. But I still like to relax with Japanese calligraphy. Grab my fude and a sumi stick and go to it. Very peaceful.

Yeah, me too. There's something delicious about writing that stuff.

@Robusto おいしです！

@DamkerngT. Yup. Except I think you mean おいしい, not おいし.

@Robusto Sorry about my broken Japanese! :D

Not a problem. That's how we learn.

@snailboat Ahh... Thanks! I always thought it was a short vowel. It sounds like a short vowel to me.

And you form the negative with 〜しくない.

おいしくない = not delicious

Neat. I learned a new word!

Now the trick is to remember it :-)

That's one of the big problems Westerners (not including you, @Damkerng) have with Japanese: not giving enough length to repeated vowel sounds.

Westerners literally wouldn't hear a difference between おいしい and おいし.

Well, unless they had good ears and were listening hard.

I guess I may be able to hear it as おいしい if I try to listen carefully. But I'm usually not a very careful person. :D

What is your native language?

I wonder how western I am.

Thai.

I know nothing of Thai. Is it an isochronous language?

Tell me a little about isochronous languages.

Ahh... Thai's not such a language. It's syllabic-timed, imho.

Interesting.

Well I didn't know such thing existed. Persian has short and long vowels, abiding Arabic.

The Turkish system of vowels is really complicated.

And English, well, all of you know.

Yeaaaaahhh.

@M.A.Ramezani English is stress-timed, but everyone here knows that, I think.

Somehow that came out more like yawning to me @Rob.

@DamkerngT. Yepppppppppppppp.

I'm tired. Sosiouxme.

@skillpatrol I can still remember it!

Offf. 25 mins to iftar.

I think I shall go home now. Yes, that is a good idea.

(By tying it to kurenai)

@DamkerngT. OMG.

@DamkerngT. practice practice practice

@Robusto Drive (or whatever mean you do) home safely.

@snailboat Remembering kunai.

Logical conclusion: All of the languages are weird.

I guess I can do that with most adjectives.

(Bad me. I still haven't learned Japanese grammar properly.)

@M.A.Ramezani Wait until Skynet makes some.

Makes some what? Soup?

Languages. Skynet languages may be inhuman and inhumane at the same time.

@snailboat We discussed this before, and what you're saying is technically true, but you have to understand how "keep the beat" before you get to play around with it. It's completely a mistake to ignore the underlying structure or instead to superimpose some Western artifact on top of it.

I'm just talking about Western reduction and/or extension of vowel sounds.

I really had that beaten into me when I was learning Japanese. And while some repeated syllables get "reduced" in Japanese, they're still spoken with respect to a timing structure.

I was older than that when I started. But I caught onto it once it had been pounded in to my head. ^_^

Yeah, but again, it's still respecting the timed framework even when that happens. In other words, syllables may be added or subtracted, but the timing is still honored.

Or I should say the practice of syllable-timing is still honored.

Sorry to stop your, Japanese Overflow, but I have a question: Is the chatroom ID also its number? In other words, is this room literally the 95th room in SE?

And when someone stretches a syllable, like in masakaaaaaaa it's obviously an emphasis.

Hmm, why isn't my hiragana keyboard working today?

@snailboat I know that.

Ah, because I had it turned off. Dummy.

Anyway, bike time. Laterz.

Me too. I also once met The Tavern.

@Robusto Bike from my side too.

Hmm.

Maybe.

Who are these people?

> A. Mom and dad celebrating the 10th anniversary of their local shop.

> B. Two of the most powerful leaders in the world.

I'm a molecule, I don't know how humans are supposed to answer that.

By looking at the picture.

Your name is not very molecular, by the way!

That's my humanoid disguise.

You now know too much.

In that case, it is working very well.

@Cerberus C. Two failed politicians attempting to impose their shortsighted view of Europe on the rest of us.

I had no idea you were a molecule until you said so.

@terdon Hehe.

At least Hollande kind of supports Greece.

Were you surprised at the 61%?

@Cerberus Well duh! Look at my selfie.

@terdon I am surprised that you should still have Internet access BTW.

@M.A.Ramezani Too small.

Tell me about it.

Let

We'll see for how long.

me

make

it

bigger

But seriously, it has become harder for northern Europe to dictate Greece now.

@M.A.Ramezani Oh, my, you have a big molecule, grandma.

@Cerberus Yes. I was expecting far less of a difference.

Right.

@Cerberus Really? Why? The government was elected on a mandate to end austerity. Why does a vote on a specific proposal that was no longer on the table give them more power?

Only now does northern Europe realise how fed up Greece is with austerity, even if it is their own former governments' fault.

More to the point, why should the technocrats care what the Greeks said? Or the politicians? They need to deal with their own voters and already knew the opinion of the Greek ones.

@terdon The government had almost folded to the latest demands; now Europe knows they will be less amenable.

@Cerberus I very much doubt that, there's nothing new here. As I said, that was the entire content of the current bunch of idiot's election campaign when they ousted the previous band of idiots.

@terdon Because the technocrats really, really hate seeing Greece drop the Euro.

@Cerberus They won't. They will ask for basically the same because, at this point, there's no other solution.

@Cerberus That's never going to happen, there would be a revolution here.

80% of public opinion is pro euro.

@terdon Even so, Tsipras was willing to negotiate quite a bit; agreement was almost reached.

@Cerberus Yes, and then he backed down because his party wouldn't stand for it.

Some political balls!

@terdon Or perhaps they will give in a little bit more, just enough...

@Cerberus Ask that ass of a minister you guys have :(

@terdon Umm why should that depend on Greece? If Europe wants to kick Greece out of the zone, I'm sure it can be done...

@Cerberus Bingo

Now explain that to the Greeks.

Popular opinion is that the No vote means "Yes to the euro but no austerity", otherwise known as "money for nothing and chicks for free".

@terdon And now Europe knows that it is absolutely impossible for Tsipras to concede to too many more austerities, like a wall; perhaps that will force Europe's hand, where in the past it thought it had more room to manoeuvre.

Now why they expect European leaders to accept that is beyond me.

@Cerberus I don't see how. I very much hope so but I just don't see how. He already had a mandate for it.

What more does he have now?

Don't you think most Greeks realise that voting no could mean some degree of chaos for Greece?

Plus, he didn't even have the decency or intelligence to put austerity itself to the vote. Instead, he only asked us to vote on a specific version of the agreement. Now, he will just accept a similar one.

@Cerberus Our government was swearing blind that we could never leave the euro.

People believed that. Many were foolish enough to think that a No vote would open the banks.

A new law passed today keeps them closed for another couple of days. Obviously.

I'm sure they knew this could mean more chaos for Greece. People are not stupid, especially now that they have seen some chaos.

@Cerberus Many are. More are uninformed. Most are desperate.

This offered them hope. False hope but hope nevertheless.

Our idiot PM was promising an agreement within 48 hours of a No vote.

No idea how.

Uninformed, sure, but not uninformed enough to know that no deal could mean no money and no open banks.

Now they're hedging and talking about "a few days"

I still think some sort of agreement will be reached.

@Cerberus Oh yes, absolutely! That is precisely what people thought. The common wisdom here is that the ECB closed the banks out of spite so if we leave the euro they will open again as if by magic.

Don't forget that this has been a European tactic: give the Greeks a taste of chaos to force them to accept their terms. That backfired, so now they may switch to plan B.

@Cerberus I think so too. But it will not be good, it will contain austerity measures and it could have been reached months ago.

Quite possibly.

@Cerberus That would involve admitting to their voters that they were wrong. Not very likely.

Nah.

The tactics were never shared with voters.

Shoeble's (or however the hell you spell it) ridiculously popular because of his harsh stance.

Schäuble.

Thanks

The Greek government has been lying to us in unprecedented levels. And that is saying something.

People honestly believe that we are now going to get money from Europe and no austerity.

Pronounced /'ʃoʲ.blə/ (ish).

That is a dream. The government is living in a Stalinist cuckoo land.

I would have been a natural supporter if they weren't quite as criminally insane.

I agree with most of their rhetoric (bar the nationalistic grandstanding), I just don't see it as a realistic option.

Yeah that is the problem.

I mean, we had our (ex, happily) finance minister tweet that "capitol controls go against democracy" 4 hours before imposing them!

Haha.

Well, perhaps he was forced to instate them?

High level government officials stating that "We didn't expect the Europeans to be so intransigent". Why the hell not? They had made it crystal clear for years!

@Cerberus Of course he was but he knew perfectly well that it would happen. Hell, I did, how couldn't he?

They're living in their beautiful world, they're basically classic upper middle class left wing intellectuals who haven't really been affected by the crisis and presume to speak for "the common man".

Look at this asshole who even had the gall to state last week that he and his wife will not be standing in line at the ATMs with the rest of us because, and I quote, "we live a frugal life".

This is his frugal life:

parismatch.com/Actu/Economie/…

@terdon They need to answer the media somehow.

@M.A.Ramezani They need to be aware that this is not a game and they're playing with people's lives. Mine and that of my children and grandchildren to be.

They do know that. But it's the selfish nature of humans that is a problem.

The very image of frugality.

@terdon OMG they're starving! Save 'em!

@M.A.Ramezani Honestly, I don't think they do. This asshole certainly doesn't. He is an expert in game theory and treats this as a model.

@terdon We still don't know how intransigent Europe will be in the end!

@terdon Fair enough.

@terdon They always do. It's not not knowing; it's forgetting. . .

@terdon I know he once figures in this television programme to show off his apparently very nice house...

@Cerberus Well, this is precisely what most of us who bothered to read the news expected. How out of touch do you have to be? More to the point, you have MPs in the european parliament, you have connections, it's your job to know how they will react. Don't give me this "Wow, I really didn't expect it" crap!

@Cerberus Frugal, m'boy, frugal.

Word of the day: frugal

At least the new finance minister is a softly spoken, low key, non-criminally-insane person.

I don't think it is easy to predict how intransigent Brussels will turn out to be when the chips are down.

@terdon But no less of a hardliner, I read.

@Cerberus We've been in constant negotiations for 5 years. It is their responsibility to be informed.

@Cerberus No, but style is extremely important. He's far less "in your face".

@terdon And every time, Europe have shovelled some money on Greece.

@terdon That may work better in negotiations, to be sure.

@Cerberus Each time making things worse, not better, sadly.

^^ Exactly

Hi Arrow, thanks.

@terdon Is the money medicine or heroin?

@Cerberus Heroin. It goes straight to paying off debt while also increasing overall debt.

Wonderful idea. You are deep in debt? No problem, here let me lend you some more.

If these idiots had toned down the rhetoric and gone in as polite but firm supplicants instead of screaming beggars, we might have had a chance.

Or perhaps it is more like methadon, buying some time for Greece to reform its finances (as we discussed, they have already improved greatly, even though they are still not where they should be).

But no, we had to compare Schäuble to Hitler and then ask him for money.

And terrorists, don't forget that.

Indeed

I read that Europe specifically wanted Varoufakis out of their meetings.

@Cerberus It is.

Right.

I am convinced that all we had to do was give them a way to back down gracefully. The Greek government seem to forget that these are people and like all people unlikely to respond well to being yelled at.