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1:13 AM
@Cerberus It's an interesting product. There are some obvious advantages over Ara, in terms of simplicity, in that they design the modules themselves and provide custom apps (i.e. no drivers, etc) that interact with the modules. There are some obvious disadvantages too, in that the core OS can't fully take advantage of all the modules as easily.
Let's say you add storage. Great, but can your phone use it? Yes, only in limited ways.
Let's say you add a camera. Can it be used as a replacement for the native camera? Maybe, maybe not.
Not to mention the bulk it adds to the phone.
It's a much less ambitious product than Ara. Thus, it's much easier to succeed within the parameters. But it can't achieve as much.
With luck, a product like this and a product like Ara could work together, however, they appear to be using incompatible approaches.
 
1:39 AM
Serious storms. Hail now, thunder, wind. Tornado just touched down about 5 miles north of me.
 
 
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2:52 AM
Hi, guys! I have a question recently put on hold. I've checked the help page and edited it to meet the criteria. How do I call for reopen?
Here's the link to the question: english.stackexchange.com/questions/250472/…
 
 
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8:51 AM
@Cerberus see, you say it's clear what it means precisely because it is not clear what it means. You think those black strokes signify streets. But they do not.
But that's beside the point. All the other signs we've been looking at were "clear", too. It's not that they cannot be understood at all, it's that they are way too complex, overloaded, or plain hideous.
 
 
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10:58 AM
Have you heard of Theophrastus?
 
11:20 AM
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: All the English, all the time (no tags)
 
@Robusto I don't know him well, but his characters are great.
Your reference is appropriate.
 
@Cerberus His Characters is, I think, the only way to know him at all.
 
But which one was he?
@RegDwigнt They don't? Then what...
@RegDwigнt Agreed.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I mostly agree.
But I honestly think far fewer people would buy a high-end smartphone + a fairly expensive, bulky, heavy "case" (say €150 including modules?) than just an all-modular phone.
In addition to the limitations you mentioned, if you get a better camera in your Nexpaq, you will still be lugging along the old camera.
And don't even think about upgrading the SoC/RAM/screen.
 
11:57 AM
Socrates: "Men do indeed speak ill of those occupations which are called handicrafts, and they are quite rightly held of little repute in communities, because they weaken the bodies of those who make their living at them by compelling them to sit and pass their days indoors. . . . But when the body becomes effeminate the mind too is debilitated."
Seems like old Soc was a proponent of exercise.
I don't think he would have cared for our computerized society at all.
 
12:15 PM
Yes, well, only the elite had the time for exercise.
So it was also a status symbol.
Gumnos is nude.
Gymnasia were wrestling schools.
Science and learning often developed in and around them.
Cf. the Chinese "boxers".
 
@Cerberus Or your boxer shorts.
 
They're Vitaly's.
 
12:41 PM
So you were wearing Vitaly's boxers? Interesting.
 
12:57 PM
"The Greek always knew what recent political history has taught, that the opposite of a bad man is not a good man, but a different sort of bad man". [Emphasis my own]
 
Can't argue with that...
 
1:21 PM
Gymnopédies
 
Satie?
 
1:40 PM
Satiety?
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Home of the O to the P to the P [naughty-by-nature]
 
@Robusto You're full of it.
 
Jez
1:59 PM
OK, this is a long shot: does anyone know, or know anyone who knows, Serbian?
 
I think it would be amusing to write a TL;DR that was actually longer than the text itself.
 
2:17 PM
TL;DR a summary longer than the main text happens more often than is the case. people think they're done explaining and in their summary they start explaining more. It's not out-loud funny, but more in the ironic funny way because really it's not that funny. Also, people tend to just outright repeat themselves in the tldr by saying things like a summary longer than the main text.
 
Maybe they think Too Long is the operative part of the title for that portion of the text, and thereby an exhortation to people not to read it if they don't have time.
 
"The following is too long; don't read"?
if so they're just using it wrong.
 
Too long; do read
 
Time Lapse; Day Lost
 
:-o
no!
I needed that day
 
2:32 PM
It's a little late to be carpeing any particular diem, innit?
@Cerberus: What should we make of a circumflex over the e when Greek words are cited in English? Like erastês.
 
Atenshon!
 
Jez
can't read that.
 
Visit an ophtalmologist, or a teacher.
 
What is that, some kind of Esperanto?
 
Vanuatu (English /ˌvɑːnuːˈɑːtuː/ vah-noo-AH-too or /vænˈwɑːtuː/ van-WAH-too; Bislama IPA: [vanuaˈtu]), officially the Republic of Vanuatu (French: République de Vanuatu, Bislama: Ripablik blong Vanuatu), is an Oceanian island nation located in the South Pacific Ocean. The archipelago, which is of volcanic origin, is some 1,750 kilometres (1,090 mi) east of northern Australia, 500 kilometres (310 mi) northeast of New Caledonia, east of New Guinea, southeast of the Solomon Islands, and west of Fiji. Vanuatu was first inhabited by Melanesian people. The first Europeans to visit the islands were a...
The language is Bislama, that is.
Apparently their anthem was written by Ohio Express.
"Yumi, Yumi, Yumi" (Bislama: "We, We, We") is the national anthem of Vanuatu. It was written and composed by François Vincent Ayssav (born 1955) and adopted in 1980. == Bislama words == CHORUS: Yumi, yumi, yumi i glat long talem se Yumi, yumi, yumi ol man blong Vanuatu God i givim ples ia long yumi, Yumi glat tumas long hem, Yumi strong mo yumi fri long hem, Yumi brata evriwan! CHORUS Plante fasin blong bifo i stap, Plante fasin blong tedei, Be yumi i olsem wan nomo, Hemia fasin blong yumi! CHORUS Yumi save plante wok i stap, Long ol aelan blong yumi, God i helpem yumi evriwan, Hem i papa blong...
 
2:48 PM
@Robusto That stands for an eta.
 
And ô stands for omega.
Eta (uppercase Η, lowercase η; Greek: Ήτα Ēta) is the seventh letter of the Greek alphabet. Originally denoting a consonant /h/, its sound value in the classical Attic dialect of Ancient Greek was a long vowel [ɛː], raised to [i] in medieval Greek, a process known as iotacism. In the system of Greek numerals it has a value of 8. It was derived from the Phoenician letter heth . Letters that arose from Eta include the Latin H and the Cyrillic letter И. == History == === Consonant h === The letter shape 'H' was originally used in most Greek dialects to represent the sound /h/, a voiceless...
 
Eta is Russian for "this one", where the one in question is female.
 
@RegDwigнt Hilarious! A kind of pidgin-phonetic English.
@RegDwigнt I believe letters are normally neuter in Greek...
 
@Cerberus yes, just like Dutch.
 
2:50 PM
Just like Dutch.
 
Kinderspeelplaats.
Mobael intanet kwik.
@Cerberus no religion in this chat.
 
Hottentottententententoonstelling.
A famous word.
Though only created for hilarious purposes, it is legitimate and meaningful.
Hottenhot you will probably know.
Tenten are tents.
Tentoonstelling is exhibition.
So it is a Hottentot tent exhibition.
 
Now let's try yours.
Damn, a typo.
 
@Cerberus So pronounced like eh?
 
On the plus side, nobody will spot it.
 
2:59 PM
@RegDwigнt I think you misspelled yours.
 
@RegDwigнt But they might spot it on the minus side?
 
Alluminiumeinie?isen?
 
@Cerberus I did not! We're not one of those "aluminum" savages.
 
Is that Sütterlin?
Is that no double l?
 
@RegDwigнt *salvages
 
3:00 PM
@Cerberus that's not an S, silly. That's an H. You never went to school or what?
 
Ah.
 
@Robusto is that what minus-side spotting looks like?
 
I haven't seen Sütterlin in a long while.
 
You don't say.
 
Alluminiumeinierihen?
What is that?
I don't know what aLLuminium is.
 
3:02 PM
Eimerchen. Kleiner Eimer.
 
Ahh.
That c looks almost the same as an i.
@Robusto Yes, kind of. But long.
 
@Cerberus It's pidgin for everyone kneel down. All you me knee um.
You really never went to school, poor you.
 
Umm.
So some Germans spell it LL?
 
The whole phrase means, everyone kneel before me, for I am legend.
All you me knee um, I märchen.
@Cerberus Germans can't spell, so chances are some write it with four Ls.
 
Umm.
 
3:06 PM
Just go to a random German city and look at a random German sign. It will be misspolen.
I'll wait.
 
Berlijn?
 
Schätzlilijn, du wirst doch nicht traurig zijn!
 
Nimmer!
Ich wollt'ich wär'ein Huhn.
 
@Cerberus Be careful what you wish for, clucky.
 
Dann legt'ich jeden Tag ijn Ij, und sonntags auch mal zwij.
 
3:11 PM
Ich ware dämlich aber froh!
@Robusto Hey, I'm already a dog...
 
Dämlich. No H.
 
Right.
Also keine Traurigkeit!
 
Do you mean German also or English also?
 
Which is funny, because there's a popular mnemonic for the proper spelling of "nämlich".
> Wer nämlich mit H schreibt, ist dämlich.
@Robusto he means the Russian Alsou.
 
@Robusto German! I would never begin a sentence with also in English.
 
3:13 PM
Alsou Ralifovna Abramova (Russian: Алсу́ Рали́фовна Абра́мова; Tatar Cyrillic: Алсу Рәлиф кызы Абрамова, Latin: Alsu Rälif qızı Abramova); née Safina, better known as just Alsou (Алсу́, born on June 27, 1983) is a Russian singer. She competed in the Eurovision Song Contest 2000 in which she came in second place giving her recognition across Europe. Alsou hosted the final of the Eurovision Song Contest 2009 held in Moscow. == Biography == === Early life === Alsou was born in Bugulma, Tatarstan. Her father, Ralif Rafilovich Safin is a Russian oligarch, a former LUKoil executive and a current member...
 
@RegDwigнt Well, nämlich is easy, because there is no h in Name.
Dämlich, on the other hand, is computely unfamiliar to me. I know it only from that song.
 
@Cerberus so... and there's an h in Dame or what?
 
Is it perhaps related to dumb, dominate, tame?
Is it from Dame??
You jest!
 
Itsa joke, you drunken houssar.
 
Thought so.
Without an etymology, I cannot remember spelling.
 
3:15 PM
Right. That's why you always spell it спутник, like you should.
> seit dem 18. Jahrhundert mitteldeutsch und niederdeutsch; dieses aus dem niederdeutschen Verb damelen „nicht ganz bei Sinnen sein“ aus dem 16. Jahrhundert[1] oder von lateinisch temulentus "betrunken"
Speculative speculation is speculative.
 
@Cerberus I was going to chide you on relaxing your vigil against sentence-initial sentence adverbs.
@RegDwigнt "You're gonna stop speakin' fuckin' sputnik if you want to see the last card."
 
@RegDwigнt Damelen...
We have dommelen in Dutch.
 
The dameling of the schrew.
 
To doze.
 
Why do fewls fall in love?
 
3:20 PM
@Robusto Haha, thank you for keeping me sharp.
 
@Robusto Why do birds suddenly appear?
 
Different song.
 
σπουτνικ
 
That's Greek to me.
 
3:21 PM
P, E, N, I... what is Matt trying to write?
 
Penitence.
 
@RegDwigнt lol
 
@MattE.Эллен if you wanna write lol, you're doing it bloody wrong chap.
 
oh. TIL!
 
3:22 PM
Matt is on TIL today.
 
@MattE.Эллен Still wrong. Give it another try, you'll get it.
 
You gotta lol, lol and lol, lol and lol. You'll succeed at last.
 
lol lol lol your lol
gently down the lol
 
You should get Jasper to show you how to lol.
 
3:24 PM
Remember to lol it under your skin.
Ah the times where you'd call yourself "Frankly Lemon with the Teenagers" and it would be like okay or something.
@Robusto "lol." In Jasperese stays for a period, so your sentence ends in a "to".
And that'd be it from me for today.
Good light and good knuck.
 
3:57 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Nice! You going?
 
@Robusto STL is on a Wednesday. :(
See how Boston has double dates?
:P
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Of course!
 
Bring back the Boston Rag.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Why don't they come to KC?
 
@Robusto shrug
I saw SD here in 2010.
They were here last year. EC was here in March.
 
3:58 PM
Now I gotta see if I can get tickets.
Hmm, July 31 is a Friday. That could work.
Damn, July 31 is not months away anymore.
 
4:45 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Wah! $274.92 ea for good seats!
 
@Robusto damn. Only $125 in STL.
 
You can get $125 seats in Boston, but they suck.
KC is what, about five hours from STL?
Plus the pavilion in Boston is right at the end of one of the Logan runways, so that could be a spoiler.
 
@Robusto 4.
BBL sandwich
Bacon, blue cheese, lettuce
 
oh!
I thought the second B was beetroot
 
A wild orc has appeared!
 
4:52 PM
grawwl
 
O_O
runs in fear toward sandwich emporium
 
wild orc uses slash
it's not very effective
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Mmmmmm . . . bacon
@MattE.Эллен throw orc
 
Unhandled OrcException
 
debug orc
 
5:28 PM
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Q: Objectively relating how common a word is

MitchThis is a constant issue on ELU from the very beginning but one that I feel has never been explicitly addressed. Many questions and corresponding answers hinge on how well known a word is. For example 'chattel' (a cognate of cattle meaning livestock or people treated as material goods) is not ...

Any ideas?
 
@Mitch COCA?
And adze? Wow.
 
I used COCA to determine how common boondoggle is here:
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A: How common is the term "boondoggle"? And what is its origin?

terdonI found 143 cases of boondoggle in the COCA corpus. Since that corpus consists of 450 million words, 143 is a relatively low occurrence. I would say that the word is indeed uncommon. For the sake of comparison I will mention that brouhaha had 211 hits and shenanigans 420. A quick look at the res...

 
@Mitch we need three people. one who only know common words, one who knows some uncommon words, and one who knows lots of uncommon words. when we want to know how common something is we ask each if they know it then score it out of 3 commonness
 
5:41 PM
@terdon Hey man, it's what was on the top of my head. The word, not the thing. Ouch.
I couldn't think of the word for what comes at the end of a shoelace.
 
My signature rare word is fewmets. You're so full of fewmets!
 
Or the word for not being able to remember a word, it's on the tip of my tongue....what's the word for being on the tip of your tongue? That's on ELU!
@terdon My fewmets are getting inflamed. A little aloe should help
 
@Mitch It's cold sore.
 
!!
@terdon I think that is one of the motivating examples. Reading that I realized that it should be a more common question 'how common is word X'. Also in my question I mention COCA, but there's also the British one (can't remember the name)
 
@Mitch BOCA :)
 
5:46 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 single words might work OK on ngrams...but there are just so many operational difficulties with it.
 
Jez
what should i eat tonite
dominos?
 
No dominos will break you teeth.
oh you mean pizza?
 
@Mitch Yes, sorry, I hadn't read the whole thing and ran off to show off half cocked.
 
Jez
probably going to go here tomorrow for lunch: wafflehouse.co.uk/st-albans
 
Jez
5:47 PM
"Pecan Nut Waffle & Butterscotch Sauce (v)(n)"
seriously that is SOOOOO tasty
 
@MattE.Эллен only three? There is a precedent for basic English (years of ESL and also xkcd), but I feel after that, there should be more than two.
 
@Mitch three is more than two
3
 
@Jez that site is blocked. NSA doesn't want me to know about the last good food in England.
 
Jez
blocked???
 
@MattE.Эллен You impress me with your mathematical acumen, yet I sense some sarcasm.
 
Jez
5:49 PM
this is the site for the one in Norwich: wafflehousenorwich.co.uk
 
you should sense confusion :D
 
@Jez ah there we go. it works now. Thanks NSA! (it was coming up blank before)
 
Jez
ah
 
@MattE.Эллен I sense mostly my lunch. And also envy at waffles.
 
yeah, waffles lead such a good life
 
5:52 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The British Nationalist Carty? I considered them but the uniforms ... they're go with an Autumn complexion and I'm more of a Spring.
 
@Mitch The British Nationalist Corpus. It's a collection of written and spoken works that are all pro-Britain.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so, a collection of everything ever written or spoken, considering how much people love this country!
 
@MattE.Эллен I realize 3 is good for simplicity, but I think the categories should be 'basic english - 1000', 8 year old (3000?), 18 year old (15K), college (30K), scrabble (every thing else).
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 things like 'DownWithScotland'?
 
@Mitch 5 is good.
 
5:58 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ha ha. stupid scotland.
argh.. can you search comments? I can't figure out how!
I made a comment recently that sort of did this (I chose like 5 words of different expected frequency and looked them up in COCA to show how one word was more (or less) frequent than others.
And I can't remember the words I used.
except for 'the'. I wanted one that was really common
found it by hand
@TimRomano no need to download. Search their website. I see 86 hits ('the' has 25M, 'rock' has 44K, 'commode' has 206, 'adze' has 33, and 'antidisestablishmentarianism' has none. — Mitch May 31 at 17:32
I'm upset about the last one. That's almost a real word.
@Jez as I was going to St Albans, I met a man with... holy shit, a wafflehouse!
 
antediluvianaryanmasterrace
diluvian gets 3 hits on COCA
antidisestablismentarianism gets 5 hits at BNC
 
6:30 PM
@MattE.Эллен ha! I knew it! send in the troops
@terdon Nice...I also found out I'm a human being. Also nice.
@MattE.Эллен wait... what does that mean? Not exactly old-fashioned, but drowning in normalcy?
 
@Mitch during the flood?
 
@Mitch You too? Yay!
 
The opposite of anthropomorphise is dehumanise, but that's not what you're after. — Matt E. Эллен ♦ May 12 '11 at 21:05
 
 
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@Mitch It's an aglet. You're welcome.
An aglet (or aiglet) is a small plastic or metal sheath typically used on each end of a shoelace, cord, or drawstring. An aglet keeps the fibers of the lace or cord from unraveling; its firmness and narrow profile make it easier to hold and easier to feed through the eyelets, lugs, or other lacing guides. == Etymology == The word aglet (or aiglet) comes from Old French aguillette (or aiguillette), which is the diminutive of aguille (or aiguille), meaning needle. == Variety == There is a subtle distinction between aglets, which are generally functional, and aiguillettes, which are genera...
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@snumpy: Academicians have argued the point for decades, but in 2004, the disanthropomorphesisian point of view was finally discredited. — Robusto May 12 '11 at 20:54
 
they can't win 'em all
 
Spoken like a true antidisanthropomorphesisian.
 
8:06 PM
@Robusto pfft... real pirates will scorch the end of a line so that it won't unravel. That's what a 'pfft' is, the scorched end of a line. From the sound of the line sputtering in the flame. Look it up.
@Robusto Matt has lead you astray, he's a pseudoantidisanthropomorphesisian. If he denies it or is otherwise doesn't want to appear that way (as I suspect he will), then he's a cryptopseudoantidisanthropomorphesisian. Hm.. why is that redlined? Anyway, if the lung disease is then caused by volcanic ash... it's ...
Pneumonultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosicalcryptopseudoantidisanthropomorphes‌​isian
Ah... now that is spelled right.
 
 
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10:04 PM
@terdon An amazing word. Love it! :D Use it to make fun of my friends.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: "Be like" usage by user124222 on english.stackexchange.com
 
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