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8:10 PM

Armed with exact data, I’ve quashed the fellow casting undue aspersions without the data behind him. His vague accusations of abuse of privilege are not merely unfounded but provably dispelled by the actual data. This is the guy who doesn’t believe in close voting, remember.

I know you disagree with how Stack Exchange is designed to work with the respect to the due exercise of privileges of moderation, but at least in the OP’s case, his error lies in not understanding the SE model. In your case, no such excuse exists, and so it is inappropriate to cast aspersions on a member for exercising those privileges, particularly without data to back you up. I in contrast do that have data, and it proves you wrong: I have cast the binding vote to close or unclose a single-word-request as a duplicate only a dozen times in history, of which one pair cancelled each other. — tchrist 18 mins ago

Other nonmoderators on ᴇʟᴜ have cast binding votes many, many times more often than I have—and yes, I indeed have that data. However, because it’s inappropriate to call members out by name, especially on account of actions entirely right and proper within the SE moderation model, I will not share it. More importantly, moderators cast binding votes with each and every action they take. If you disagree with the SE moderation model, you’re free to take it up on Meta.SE or to use non-SE sites whose moderation model you prefer. — tchrist 2 mins ago

I just can’t believe that he has more upvotes than @RegDwigнt. That isn’t right.

8:39 PM

@tchrist Those data.

I am here FumbleFingers

@Cerberus I actually had to convert to singular so it could fit.

It didn’t start out that way. :)

Haha.

Now that is a reason I shan't contest.

Are you here FumbleFingers?

Use "@" @kitty

8:42 PM

He is not here: his icon is not here in the upper right.

He will not hear you.

Hi, but ..I don't get what you mean

use what?

If he is not on the autocomplete list, he will not be pinged.

oh I see

At least, not by mortals.

8:42 PM

@tchrist Sure?

thank you my friends!

bye

Good luck.

@Cerberus Of death and taxes, yes. Of anything else, not so much.

Later pal

@tchrist I think he will still be pinged (pinged in then sense: he will have a notification the next time he visits English.se)

8:44 PM

I agree^

@crl I was wondering about that.

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A: Contacting someone unannounced via chat

Using '@ThePersonsNameYouWantToChatWith' in chat doesn't seem to give them a notification; how can one notify them that you are said something in chat to them? You can't, unless the person's been recently active in the room you're currently in. Only moderators can use a "super-ping" feature ...

Wonder no more.

Well hmmm, I'm in doubt, I'm leaving, ping me please when I'm away

@crt ?

ay.. it's crl, nvm, I think it would have worked because
> You can't, unless the person's been **recently active** in the room you're currently in
I wonder what this "recently" means though, 1 week? 1 month?

8:49 PM

Did you get the message?

@infinitesimal no because you made a typo

:(

I know my spelling is bad, but that is just plain -_-

:-/

@infinitesimal Can you go to stackoverflow.com and see if you have a notification?

ok

I pinged you from the Sandbox chatroom, but I expect you to see some red notifications on the main SO site?

8:58 PM

@crl nothing
@crl but I rarely come to this site and had to log in to get in

you were not a recent user

Correct.

:)

:)

Hi pal

Hi @infinitesimal

9:01 PM

How are you?

I'm fine thanks

u?

;)

Fine thanks.

Great!

:)

What's up?@infinitesimal

I had a SO account with 1.5k points, but asked to delete it (because it was mainly stupid questions I asked during a job) I regret it for the points at least

Not much @IceGirl, how about you?

9:06 PM

me too

:)

icic

:)

:)

just studying :)

ucuc?

yes yes

:)

:D)

9:12 PM

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Q: Who other than God determines what is Sodomy and what isn't Sodomy

The Bible says that the Marriage Bed which is the Union of Male & Female is undefiled. So that tells me that if we as Husband & Wife Agree that we can do whatever other than Anal Sex in the privacy of our Bedroom then it is not a Sin in God's Eyes.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn it, I’m out of close-votes.

I really shouldn’t flag it as offensive, although it certainly is that.

Oops.

Strange!

The Internet is a strange place.

:)

Yes right

9:17 PM

:-)

Morality takes on a new meaning

Everything is strange in this world!

True.

:D

I'm going to sleep @IceGirl see you later pal

@infinitesimal me too. See you later. :)

9:28 PM

Somebody please go close-vote the sodomy question so it gets into the close-vote queue.

I regret that I have but a score-and-four close-votes to give for my country.

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is not about a rational subject. — Cerberus 14 secs ago

I suggest you edit your comment.

Which edition would you suggest?

> I'm voting to Close this Question as Off-Topic because it is not about a Rational Subject.

I have unstarred the contentless stars, by the way.

9:35 PM

:)

Yes, I was going to do that.

Why the capitals?

Because irony.

The poster did it.

I’m just kidding.

Ah, the Question.

I had already forgotten what it says.

I was at the occupied university just now.

There was a lecture on boycotting Israël.

Apparently, HP is involved in the illegal settlements.

@Cerberus I don’t think you’ll ever stop the Iraelites from boy-cutting. It’s part of some ancient covenant. :)

@Cerberus Hewlett Packard?

@tchrist Gross.

@tchrist Yes.

The only problem I have with boycotting people who are involved in the illegal settlements is that perhaps we should then also boycott all other people involved in immoral things.

9:49 PM

The current Israeli government is not helping. Moreover, extremism seems to be gaining ground there.

Yeah.

The Orthodox segment of the population, currently about a third, are breeding like rabbits.

Of course the most religious people are poor, as everywhere, and of course they breed the fastest.

But there is another third that is also pretty bad, the "hawks".

Not super religious, but still super nationalist.

Whenever you have one segment of the population that forbids birth control and another segment that does not, the former will always come to eclipse the latter through unchecked exponential growth.

It is a mathematical law, not one subject to the whims of democracy.

Unfortunately.

Yes, well, not always.

Because people can move from one segment to another.

And they do, in many countries.

I am concerned.

About?

The Near East? Of course.

Our, the West's, long-term strategy should be to pull back almost completely.

10:04 PM

Goodbye antiquities.

Well, they're theirs, right, so they can pulverize them at will?

I said long-term.

Likewise their own people.

None of our business, really.

No, but we have created ISIS.

That’s not reasonable.

Had we not sown corruption and war during the entire 20th century, it would have been far stabler now.

10:06 PM

It’s like blaming Indian women getting gang-raped for having worn the wrong clothes.

Iran had a popular, democratic, moderate, secular government.

We are not Indian women.

At least, not I.

The current crimes we are discussing are theirs, not ours.

They bear full responsibility.

We have seriously damaged societies in the Near East. This is the result.

When were they predamaged?

You cannot hold the West responsible for the atrocities committed by the nutjobs.

Delete vote needed:

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Q: Who other than G** determines what is S***** and what isn’t S*****?

The Bible says that the Marriage Bed which is the Union of Male & Female is undefiled. So that tells me that if we as Husband & Wife Agree that we can do whatever other than Anal Sex in the privacy of our Bedroom then it is not a Sin in God's Eyes.

@tchrist Partially.

Cast.

10:11 PM

Whom would you see hang?

Them, and us.

The British PM who destroyed democratic Iran because of oil money for BP.

I don't know what the Dutch did, but they were no doubt also involved, in a smaller role.

@Cerberus Theft of foreign-held assets is still theft.

So you are in favour of the coup?

The one that caused so much suffering?

I didn’t say that.

Incredible.

10:15 PM

I said that I thought theft was still theft.

The right to property is not holy.

It is an instrument to create a just society.

Name something that is.

If it is abused, it needs to be corrected.

Nothing is.

Oh, I think otherwise.

Although the right to not be killed comes pretty close to holy.

So you are against taxes?

Against government?

BP got extremely profitable concessions from some corrupt government functionary who earned a lot of money selling them, I believe.

As it always goes in those countries.

10:18 PM

Inalienable rights include the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right to the pursuit of happiness.

While the people of Persia got little to nothing.

I have no problem locking people up who have committed serious crimes. Liberty can be alienated.

And a government has the right to nationalise assets within its borders if justice demands it. Of course this should not be abused, but...

Not without compensation.

Without compensation, it is theft.

Even with compensation, it can be a crime.

Venezuela during the first decade of this millennium is a dark example of a kleptostate.

A forced buyout is one thing. Theft is another.

So, if a government decides that private industry is not providing essential services, they can buy those businesses out and make them its own.

But just seizing their assets is theft.

Consider what occurs under the principle of eminent domain.

The government forces you to sell real property to them.

How much compensation?

Although it does not seem that way, this is different from simply taking it from you.

What you are saying applies to a democratic state where property was justly allocated.

But Persia was far from that, before the democratic government.

The King of England may have owned all of North America.

10:29 PM

Says who?

Who could have afforded a buy-out?

Said he.

I’m quite certain that France and Spain both held most of it.

Only if property is justly acquired does it make sense to call disappropriation unjust.

And Russia some of it.

You're picking little arthropods.

10:33 PM

The immediate situation requires immediate action, not ruminating upon the injustices of a time before you were born.

Well, I regrettingly support the war against ISIS.

I can't think of a better adverb.

Not all thoughts can be potted into a single container.

Such as?

Such as your feelings regarding your support.

The first thing we should do is stop supporting the Arabic tyrannies and pressure them to stop feeding money into ISIS and other extremist organisations around the Near East.

Oh.

And stop selling them weapons.

11:31 PM

@tchrist Sure you can. Bed bath and beyond has a special on thought pots, small medium and encyclopedic.

@Cerberus regrettably

11:45 PM

@Mitch But then it sounds as though my support were regrettable.

Like a disjunct, modifying the entire predicate.

But I just want to say I support it, but with regret that I have to do so.

@Cerberus 1) why doesn't regrettingly have the same scope. 2) regrettably is the more common and I think 'regrettingly' isn't a word

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