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4:00 PM

It's funny how the genders are even different between many Dutch and German words.

Exactly. But people are mostly consistent within their language.

Like der Kommunismus, het Communisme.

What a confusing mess

Yes, mostly.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch what dictionary entrée?

4:01 PM

The German gender makes more sense, because -us is masculine in Latin (>Greek).

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus so you're a manly dog!

@MattE.Эллен cerb's pic about 'finis'

The Dutch femininity may have been based on -e, which is often feminine in French? We obviously borrowed it from French (but I bet it is masculine in French).

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@Mitch oh :D

@Cerberus borrowings are usually regular right?

4:01 PM

@MattE.Эллен I am!

@Mitch Regular in what sense?

consistent. -ismus always X (depending on language)

Yes.

If by X you mean a gender.

yes. hard to say when a variable is constant

However, it is like this. If -RECOGNIZABLEBIT is always masculine in the source language, there is a greater chance for it to be also masculine in the host language, but it is by no means close to "almost always". But, once the host language has borrowed a word with -RECOGNIZABLEBIT and given it a gender, the host language will almost always give other words with -RECOGNIZABLEBIT the same gender, provided that -RECOGNIZABLEBIT almost always had the same gender in the source language.

But things may go wrong when words are borrowed with a long time in between two phases and if the -RECOGNIZABLEBITS have morphed a bit in the mean time in either language.

It's all very complicated.

Matt E. Эллен

like spaghetti

4:11 PM

@ABeautifulMind Hi, I did your suggestion ;(

OK, I canceled the pin on my Venn Diagram comment. After trolling for twenty minutes, it's clear people in this room have no appreciation of the finer things.

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@user91500 What suggestion?

@Robusto What's so funny about it?

@ABeautifulMind About my blog ;(

@MattE.Эллен Spaghetti is such a tangle.

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@Cerberus especially once it's been cooked and covered in sauce

4:13 PM

Exactly!

Especially when the sauce is...*gasp* non-Italian.

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@user91500 What did I suggest?

Can someone explain to me why that ^ isn't italic?

Matt E. Эллен

it's fine it it's Greek sauce

No, italic.

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus no space between the . and the *

4:14 PM

But I thought they had fixed that!

I mean, this works now.

Matt E. Эллен

NAFAIK.

So letter*letter works, but symbol*letter does not?

@ABeautifulMind Just because 20150301 is near...Reducing font size!

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus yes

I see.

Matt E. Эллен

4:16 PM

8*9*6

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@user91500 OK, good!

Ah, so it is for mathematics.

But does xyz work?

Matt E. Эллен

lol

Alas, that is probably not what we want. I wanted x*y*z.

But I understand.

Matt E. Эллен

xyz

4:17 PM

@ABeautifulMind 20150301 is a great day for me. I hope also for you ;)

Matt E. Эллен

x*y*z

@Cerberus you can escape with \

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@user91500 What day is it? I am still in the grips of my mental illness. =( It worsened this year. =(

@ABeautifulMind In this day I will begin my work on relations between CA,GT,ANT,ANT'.(20150301 to 20270228). Why your country is just a point?

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@user91500 OK. I thought you are getting married.

@ABeautifulMind I will marry with a girl that study ANT'!

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4:24 PM

@user91500 I do not wish to talk about my country, sorry.

@user91500 Hehe. I hope to be born in Germany in my next life.

@ABeautifulMind Nice idea!

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@user91500 I cannot remember. Did you tell me that you have schizophrenia?

@MattE.Эллен Oh! x*y*z

Cool!

@ABeautifulMind Nope!

I wish there were a way to force italic too, though.

Matt E. Эллен

4:26 PM

@Cerberus yeah

@ABeautifulMind whoosh

@ABeautifulMind Some countries in this world are not well-defined!

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@user91500 You are very lucky that you are in Germany, studying math and not mentally ill. Cherish your life.

@ABeautifulMind Also there are a lot of things in this world that are not well-defined :(

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@user91500 Yes, like mental illness and math.

4:31 PM

@ABeautifulMind I'm worried of how mental illness degrade the brain, and also the drugs I took

Decrease in gray matter and shit like that

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@crl I am thinking of going back to medication and therapy this year. Not yet decided.

The best for you and me would be to stop being ill, act normally, study, work, have passions

@ABeautifulMind I am writing a program for 20150301 to 20270228 now, I think it's nice idea. Why math is not well defined?

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@user91500 If you ask you to define math, it is very hard to give a good answer.

Math is the formalization of algebra and calculus

Matt E. Эллен

4:34 PM

maths is the thing mathematicians do when they do maths

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@crl This is very incomplete.

@ABeautifulMind hehe, I tried

forgot geometry, etc...

@ABeautifulMind Math is just math!

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Do you write math or maths in non-English Europe?

In America, they write math.

beer!> Math.E

@crl {}

@crl 3.141592653589793

@crl 2.718281828459045

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4:36 PM

@crl That is what I try to do, but still can't. I am still trying.

Matt E. Эллен

beer!> Math.cos(Math.PI)

@MattE.Эллен "SyntaxError: Unexpected token )"

@MattE.Эллен -1

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@MattE.Эллен I have not broken out of my current cycle of great anxiety, but I am trying. I think that when this round is over, it will be progress all the way.

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@ABeautifulMind good luck.

@ABeautifulMind I send you positive waves, and hope you will simply forget what worries you, and change gradually

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4:39 PM

We write maths here, but I write math.

@MattE.Эллен However, Assimil is only available in about ten languages for English speakers, and Greek is not one of them.

Matt E. Эллен

@ABeautifulMind I had the choice between Teach Yourself and Living Laguage, and LL looked more complete, so I picked. I wish I hadn't

duolingo doesn't do Greek -> English either

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@MattE.Эллен I used to think LL is very good. But I read the amazon negative reviews and realised otherwise.

@MattE.Эллен You can always choose TY again, it's not very expensive.

Matt E. Эллен

I'll see :)

sadly, I'm not made of money to keep buying things!

A Beautiful Mind

But I know that all products are dumbed down from the past.

Do you spend a lot on other things?

Matt E. Эллен

I spend money on day to day things, like rent, food and utilities

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4:45 PM

Oh OK.

@ABeautifulMind Students of your country have good results in IMO competitions. Do you know why?

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@user91500 Not always. It's very simple: training. IMO is not research math. I don't think much of it.

@MattE.Эллен Why do you want to learn Greek?

@MattE.Эллен \

My father learned Greek, he is medic now

holy crap... I've broken out of the internet!!

The beauty... the wonder.. the... hey did someone mention spaghetti?

4:50 PM

beer! wiki spaghetti_code

Spaghetti code is a pejorative term for source code that has a complex and tangled control structure, especially one using many GOTO statements, exceptions, threads, or other "unstructured" branching constructs. It is named such because program flow is conceptually like a bowl of spaghetti, i.e. twisted and tangled. Spaghetti code can be caused by several factors, such as continuous modifications by several people over a long life cycle. Structured programming greatly decreases the incidence of spaghetti code. == History == In the 1978 book A primer on disciplined programming using PL/I, PL/CS...

@ABeautifulMind But from 2011 :) 3 7 6 8

@ABeautifulMind but it's easier to describe than anything else.

Matt E. Эллен

@ABeautifulMind I have an interest in it

@ABeautifulMind sure, but it shows the ability to think quickly, which is presumably helpful with research math.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch what if you want to think about the maths slowly?

4:55 PM

@crl Hey! How did you do that? How did you make a reference to your own chat post?

RAP BATTLE [English + GREEK SUBS] - Dijsselbloem vs Βαρουφάκης (Varoufakis)

@terdon Hey, are there any references here that you don't get because it's Dutch?

If you watch it, please pick the Greek subtitles.

@MattE.Эллен You have that option still. Lots of research math is all about thinking slowly over and over example after example. But having the ability to think superfast about small nuggets, to jump over mental roadblocks, is also very useful.

I hear this was broadcast on Greek national television, only the bit where Merkel grabs her balls was censored.

(Dutch national television doesn't really censor.)

@Cerberus There's a lots of references I don't get because it is Dutch. But then, I'm not @terdon ... or Greek.

@Mitch Well, there are English subtitles...

4:58 PM

@Cerberus spurts milk out nose

But you are not the intended audience, eh?

@Mitch I'm using this userscript chatbot, anyway you can still reference yourself by looking at the message id (permalink) and prefix with :

@Mitch Hey, she is wearing trousers...

@Cerberus I think that's fair to say.

:20211014 like this

@crl like this

4:59 PM

@Mitch Not that I did not intend for you to watch it!

beer! Can you give me a beer?

@crl Not at all

@crl ooh...clever. using that sae technique you can make references refer to future posts. That's another way to escape the internet.

yep, it would be fun to reference several posts too

BBIAM (be back in a moment, I'm escaping the internet just to see)

:20211045,20211014 like this

5:01 PM

@Mitch So you think you can escape the Internet, eh?

I'm back. I was gone a while, but the internet let's me time travel. So I came back at an opportune time.

Wherever you think you're going, the Internet is already there.

Oh, I've been somewhere with no Internet, and let me tell you, it's not pretty.

I remember when there was no internet. All we had was nuclear weapons and vinyl LPs. Oh, and muscle cars. And platform shoes and disco.

Wait, actually it was very nice. I bit cold at night. And the beds were shorter. But on the whole pleasant.

muscle cars. a good drive and a good meal.

I don't remember anybody wearing platform shoes except when people wanted to be pointed out wearing platform shoes. Once they get pointed at, they'll switch to more sensible shoes.

Disco on the other hand never died. It was up in the attic with the 'troubled' aunt for a while, but came out for birthdays.

@Mitch I knew you were going to say something snide about this

@crl You are always talking about the future but never doing anything about it. Wait... or is that the past?

5:18 PM

@crl wait let me try to reference a future message

boop

message ids are not incremented by 1, I wonder how it's done

I think they are incremented by 1 ... over all chat rooms. probably a db index.

that's what I thought too

but no need, just put in any old number and then go back and edit the past message to use the id from the future entry. just you have to do it within the edit window.

5:47 PM

> The following joke was posted to an internal Magenic list. I don't know who actually wrote it, and I'll give credit if someone points out the creator of the joke. It perfectly illustrates what I think developers (especially consultants) have to go through all the time when they're interviewing for the next gig.

Interviewer: So, you're a carpenter, are you?
Carpenter: That's right, that's what I do.

Interviewer: How long have you been doing it?
Carpenter: Ten years.

Interviewer: Great, that's good. Now, I have a few technical questions to ask you to see if you're a fit for our team. OK?

@Cerberus Long way to go for a joke.

I heard a variation of that joke 30+ years ago in the context of advertising.

Q. Do you have beer experience?
A. Yes, I have beer experience?

Q. Light beer?
A. Yeah, I have light.

Q. Light beer party promo?
A. Yeah.

Q. Light beer party promo seasonal?
A. Sure.

Q. Light beer party promo seasonal sweepstakes?
A. No, I haven't done it with sweepstakes yet.

Q. Oh. Well, we were really looking for someone with experience.
A. ...

Tell them exactly what they want to hear; no more and no less.

Essentially, lie.

/afc finishing a kick-ass connect-four

It's unfortunate. If the interviewer is talking like that, then they're probably have little experience themselves.

6:02 PM

Yep, interviewers like to power trip.

@infinitesimal well, um, actually, lying is usually considered a negative.

Is it so, in this context?

for technical positions. I've always said if a sales person can convince you that they're good for the job, even if they're lying, they've been convincing enough that they have the skills and should get the job.

By always, I mean just this once.

I pretty much need to lie, to hide my 4 months damn antipsychotic therapy, and say I was still working for that time

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Don't lie.

6:04 PM

Or worse, start to tell them I had OCDs

Sometimes I think experience with psychosis must be a plus for developers.

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Tell the truth in positive ways.

When I apply for anything in future, I am going to tell them I spent a decade doing nothing but struggling with severe mental problems.

Well.. I'm afraid people consider it bad

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They will find out eventually anyway.

Agreed, it's pretty hard to hide a year (like me) or more. You can't say I was on a long trip, without proofs :).

6:06 PM

Do you think that's what they want to hear?

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Just tell them you have overcome it, that can be a plus. Not many people can overcome such things and come out alive.

My cousin, high school classmate, and middle school choir mate all committed suicide, for example.

There's lying (saying something that is not true), there's misleading (saying something is true but leads the other to believe something that is not actually the case) and there's white lies (which is saying something that's not false, but actually doesn't address the situation), and there's emphasis or (not misdirection) but direction towards the good stuff (and forgetting the bad).

But in people's mind, when you went across these problems you're wasted

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Then that employer is not worth working for.

You are forgetting that it is you that needs the job.

6:09 PM

@Mitch Yes

totally, I need to think for my white lie

They have a job.

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@infinitesimal Well, I am trying to give @crl some faith here, the same faith that I need.

@infinitesimal means job interview is a competition

Yes^

you shouldn't expand your cons too much, but tell your pros

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6:11 PM

OK, do whatever you feel is best then.

unfortunately, they are feeling-less I think, so not showing too much emotion can be good

Once you get the job, gradually, you can tell them your real problems :)

Good point @Mitch

@crl oops... that's not a white lie. a white lie os on that spectrum. wikipedia says a white lie is actually a lie but a very small one that ... ugh... so complicated!

@crl "What is your greatest weakness?" "A sometimes obsessive attention to detail"

@ABeautifulMind I don't want to disagree with you, but you know, since 10 months I've had many failing interviews, the worse one in October (I couldn't even hand write), I want to stop that losing streak, find the right job. And really hope for you too

@Mitch I'll remember this one

But truly, I think my weakness is slowness

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@crl What happened to your hand?

6:19 PM

@ABeautifulMind With antipsychotics, I couldn't articulate words well, and hand-write

thats why I stopped

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@crl I took thorazine before, I know.

And I'm worried about long-term effects :(, my father told me that anyway, with the mental disease there is already bad long-term effects

A Beautiful Mind

Do you have family to help you financially and otherwise? I have.

@crl Well, I don't know much about schizophrenia, but Wikipedia should be good enough.

@ABeautifulMind sending you a mail to not pollute too much this place :) (you're gone anyway)

6:40 PM

@crl in a way, your father is right about the long-term effects, but they are your effects and only you know how they feel.

Don't be discouraged, my friend.

@infinitesimal my father is proposing to see a "medicine man", embarrassing to believe in this, but well, it can be distracting

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@crl Not embarrassing. There are many things in this world that science cannot explain.

@crl you might as well give it a try, in the same sense as "tell them what they want to hear" in a job interview ;-)

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When you are fucked, just try anything you want. Just don't kill yourself.

:O

Relax @ABeautifulMind

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6:53 PM

I have thought of a new gmail username. But I am keeping it a secret until I have signed up for it.

Good plan pal.

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@crl Waiting for your mail.

Have you finished the six books by Buddha @ABeautifulMind?

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@infinitesimal No. I don't intend to read anything now.

icic

How is the swelling on your mom's neck @ABeautifulMind?

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6:59 PM

@infinitesimal It has vanished, nothing serious.

Good, good.

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7:10 PM

Testing.

7:55 PM

Testing what?

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My internet was slow just now.

@crl I replied to your mail

8:40 PM

@ABeautifulMind yep

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I am going to take a shower.

beer! echo beer! echo 'foo'

@crl That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

beer!help echo

beer!listCommands

@crl help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, ban, unban, convert, define, doge, google, hang, jquery, learn, live, die, mdn, meme, mustache, moustache, nudge, spec, stat, stats, summon, unsummon, undo, unonebox, urban, user, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd, youtube, zalgo

beer!echo hello world

@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

well hot damn, that shouldn't be

unless echo isn't a core command?

echo was removed as a core command

8:54 PM

no idea

it is now a user taught command

in Sandbox on Stack Overflow Chat, 24 secs ago, by Caprica Six

@rlemon Command echo, created by Kendall Frey on Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:32:43 GMT but hasn't been used yet

oh

iirc Cap has special code to hand for it tho

hmmm how do you create it

beer!learn echo "<> $0"

8:58 PM

@rlemon Command echo learned

@rlemon Command echo learned

beer! echo hello world

hello world

in all http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms dev bot has 41 commands and in all http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms it has 42 commands (+echo)

ok

beer!echo beer!echo 1

thanks @rlemon oops wrong place

1

beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo .

beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo .

beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo .

beer!echo beer!echo beer!echo .

beer!echo beer!echo .

beer!echo .

.

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@crl Replied.

@Robusto Hah, yes, the carpentry one is a bit long...

9:26 PM

@Cerberus Good joke though

Hi Guys

how are you

?

I need your help.

Guys is it correct to say these sentences "somebody scorned me", "I ridiculed somebody", "stop talking or they will ridicule you"

@Mohammad Yes, all correct.

@crl Merci.

@Cerberus Thanks

9:48 PM

another question is what is the difference between "devote" and "dedicate"

Isn't the first one more religious?

But I'm not sure, I have a question too, how do you call the discs in Connect-Four? disc? or a better name?

I do not know @crl

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@crl Replied.

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10:37 PM

@crl Still around?

@Cerberus The Italian heteroclitic nouns are from 2nd decl neuters, which show no difference in nom/acc anyway.

I feel like I’ve just said something naughty.

Mmmm, Romanian apparently also has these.

@Mitch Read this.

@Mitch Then when you’re done with that, read this.

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@ABeautifulMind yes

It’s weird how academic journal articles in English are almost always paywalled, but if they're not in English, they are seldom paywalled.

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And "loca magna" should not be interpreted as a big fat crazy-woman. :)

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@Mitch Summing up: it’s complicated.

The Wikipedia entry I referred you to really should incorporate the paper referenced above. Heck, they even missed the three-way opposition in Spanish between ello/él/ella, which is a lot simpler to mention than the stuff from the paper.

> 3.10: Este intento de explicación diacrónica pretende atender no sólo a la oposición develares -u / -o, sino a tres hechos poco comunes: 11, que en asturiano se conforma la oposición contable / incontable; 21, que encontramos una flexión sustantiva, -u / -a, y adjetiva, -u / -a / -o, distintas; y 31, que una misma final de la flexión adjetiva, -o, esmarca tanto del masculino, el café frío, como del femenino, la torta frío.

Just weird.

> ya en latín se daban con frecuencia construcciones ad sensum que se asemejan especialmente a la que proponemos, consistentes en el uso de los pronombres en masculino plural cuando tenían como antecedente un sustantivo colectivo femenino singular.

@Cerberus Does that ring true, that Latin would use masculine plural pronouns with feminine singular antecedents when those were collectives?

> The truth is, English speakers accept poor usage because correct usage "doesn't sound right". It's the same reason we accept dangled participles instead of more complex sentence structures

Bullshit.

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A: Why "themselves" instead of "himself" when referring to third-person singular?

This is one of those issues that native English speakers get wrong more often than people learning to speak English and it's usually rationalized by some social change. (E.g. Gender politics make assuming gender in pronoun choices problematic; we have no gender-neutral pronoun; speakers are ther...

11:14 PM

^ I hate that too

Just downvote it al inferno.

Just a peever.

Doesn’t deserve deletion; deserves –100 as a sign post to others.

No I mean the English use of they instead of he, example the JS room topic contained before "Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help"

Is it the same context that the question above?

Possibly, but why do you hate it?

Hmm, I think it's more related to if anyone is singular or plural? I think I've read it's plural

Naw.

Tell anyone who is willing to help that they are free to do so.

11:19 PM

I said I hate it, because 'he' would sound better to me, but that's different between languages I guess

Just because "they" takes "are" does not mean there are several people involved — it is exactly the same as "you are" or "vous êtes" when used for a single individual: the verbs are plural but the logical person is singular.

In French: "Dit à quiconque voulant aider qu'il est libre de le faire" well "qu'ils sont libres de le faire" could be used...

Spanish avoids this issue. :)

By dropping the pronoun altogether.

Dile a alguien que está dispuesto a ayudar a que ~~ellos~~ son libres de hacerlo. (Is it that? Google translate)

Don’t use ellos.

11:24 PM

son still traduce the plural

Dile a esa persona que puede hacerlo.

ah, I see

But.. Dile a alguien que puede n hacerlo. ?

No, that would not agree.

Alguien is singular.

ok

Also, Google Translate screws up the subjunctive again.

It has to be "Dile a alguien que esté dispuesto a" or "que quiera ayudar".

Because we do not know that such a person exists. :)

11:27 PM

and also "que sean libres de hacerlo"?

No.

ok

Dile que sí puede hacerlo.

The other clause is not subjunctive, at least as used here.

Google Translate seems never to get the subjunctive right.

subjuntive use was one hard thing to grasp, when in school

Well, you use it naturally in French, not quite as much as Spanish, but still.

11:30 PM

Indeed, with some weird exceptions too

Yes, I hate having to remember whether I’m using espérer or souhaiter, and why it matters. :(

Siempre voy esperando que sean iguales, pero en francés, no lo son.

"Il l'a fait après qu'il est arrivé" and not soit arrivé

Ouch.

But if you don’t change the subject, you can use the infinitive and avoid the issue: Lo hizo después de llegar. :)

Sometimes it's the future that is used instead of subjunctive

@tchrist easy way

In Spanish, you can use both indicative and subjunctive after después de que, depending on the sense. But the opposite version, "antes de que" always has to be subjunctive.

Reference

Fernández López sure does write a lot.

Basically, you have to learn one by one whether each conjunction triggers subjunctive in the different languages.

It probably doesn’t help that he’s translating to German instead of to French or English. :)

I never got the hang of the German rules for those cases.

> Según Manuel Seco (ver la cita más abajo), el empleo del subjuntivo en oraciones subordinadas introducidas por después de que con sentido de anterioridad, en las que se trata de hechos reales y no de una perspectiva de futuro, es un “calco del inglés”. Lo más correcto en estos casos es, según este autor, emplear la preposición después de + infinitivo, o también cuando + un tiempo del indicativo:
Después de que las tropas der Gobierno hubiesen conquistado la ciudad, se produjo una huida en masa de la población civil.

Here’s a good example from there, and it wasn't even meant as one:

> El uso del subjuntivo en la subordinada no se limita a los casos en que el verbo de la principal sea un futuro morfológico, sino que es válido siempre que la acción subordinada esté vista en perspectiva de futuro, ya sea desde el presente, ya desde un momento pasado.

11:54 PM

so it's en que + sub, sino que + ind, siempre que + sub, ya (que) + sub

Otherwise, without bitboards in connect-four, I'm afraid that the 4-in-a-row check will take some ugly 4*4 lines of booleans

Oh, no I can do it smarter, checking in the 4 directions untill where I can go

@crl Not quite, but that's what's happening here, yes. You can’t just say that en que triggers subjunctive or that sino que denies it. You have to look at the larger context and intent.

"Quiero vivir en una ciudad en que ..." would certainly demand subjunctive. "Me explicó una situación que le pasó en que ..." does not.

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Singular or plural following a list by user111572 on english.stackexchange.com

Without putting much thought into it myself, I would think you have to think about things that way in French, too: it depends one broader matters.

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