English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Kitḫ

00:20

@Cerberus How was the bread?

@JSBngs I will read your novel and offer critique, if you are interested.

@Cerberus I heard that it's called a Dutch oven as a jibe against the Dutch, because of anti-dutch sentiment during some war (so, the Dutch were so poor/stupid/whatever that they didn't use a real oven , they only had pans)

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Good! But probably because it was very fresh: I expect it to be like regular supermarket bread tomorrow.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Ah, right, that's a bit like what it sounded like, like going Dutch.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah. Like "Freedom Fries" and "Hot dogs".

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Oh. "Going Dutch" is insulting?

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, I don't know about those...

@Kitḫ Well, you're not paying for your friends...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:29

@Kitḫ Because Dutch men were so cheap, they made their dates pay for their half of the date.

Cerberus

Yeah, especially on dates it is cheapish!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah, Anti-French sentiment French Fries => Freedom Fries, Anti-German sentiment: Frankfurters => Hot dogs

Cerberus

Though even Dutchmen usually pay for dinner for their female dates.

Kitḫ

makes notes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Stop clouding the issues with your facts

Cerberus

00:30

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Ohh like that, I see. How extremely silly.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 My sincerest apologies. Perhaps fashioned changed.

Kitḫ

We freedom kiss each other too.

And have freedom maid outfits.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I find it amusing that "hot dog" caught on, but "hamburger => liberty beef" and "saurkraut => liberty cabbage" did not :)

Kitḫ

And eat freedom bread. And put freedom's mustard on our hot dachshunds.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ You know what's funny? In my family, a "french kiss" is when you kiss someone on both cheeks as a greeting.

Cerberus

But I think it might be normal if the girl pays for her own cinema ticket or something when it's not the first date. Not sure.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haha, oh God...

Kitḫ

00:32

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Right. The typical triple kiss. There's a name for that, which I've forgotten.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh... and only one cheek is normal?

Kitḫ

So you are kidding about the hot dog thing right?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus well, no kisses at all might be normal

@Kitḫ Not kidding at all

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh... when you meet a female friend you haven't seen in months at the train station, what would you do?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

In fact some yahoo who knew that story about hot dogs, liberty beef, etc, was the one who coined "freedom fries" when the French weren't supporting some war of yours... Iraq II, I think.

@Cerberus dunno. Hugs, maybe?

depends on the friend

Cerberus

00:33

Did people really start using "freedom fries"? Did it catch on?? That would be utterly ridiculous.

In Dutch, we have the "Nigger's Kiss".

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I think you are full of crap.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Sadly, nothing is too ridiculous for America.

Kitḫ

@Cerberus Goodness. That's offensive.

Cerberus

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ I'm serious!!! Google it!

Kitḫ

00:34

And freedom fries did not catch on, except that we lampooned the Republicans who suggested it.

Cerberus

Negerzoen = nigger's kiss, though neger is probabbly a little bit controversial than nigger. But no politician would ever use the word in public.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus In English, the "N-word" is considered pretty offensive and should pretty much be avoided all the time unless you are black, and trying to offend white people, or talking to black people.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 > The term "dog" has been used as a synonym for sausage since 1884

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Like Brazil nuts.

Cerberus

Recently, the company who makes negerzoenen has decided to change their name, because it thought it would be too offensive. Everyone with some sense of culture revolted against this change, so most people still call them negerzoenen, except the politically correct, who are probably not a majority.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Liberty cabbage: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut#Cultural_references

Cerberus

00:36

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, that's so silly... but I suppose Americans were traumatized by slavery more.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, and you probably know about Zwarte Pieter already?

I just love shocking Americans, though Canadians will do too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I am looking for more refs for the other german foods

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 That's not about hot dogs.

@Cerberus Oh, that's so quaint. You really shock Americans? How charming.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Not you, honey.

You are European in spirit.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So it seems that the term "hot dog" predates WWI but you can see here that around WWI Hot dog takes off and frankfurter drops ngrams.googlelabs.com/…

Kitḫ

Yah. Duh. Because hot dogs are what you eat at baseball games.

Friggin' Canadians.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:48

And they didn't have baseball before ~= 1918?

Kitḫ

Don't mention that year to me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

why, what happened in 1918?

Was 1918 significant to you?

Does 1918 hold some special meaning for you?

Kitḫ

You ought to know that I'm a Boston Red Sox fan.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Sorry, I didn't know. And now I'm going to tip my hand and say that I don't know what happened wrt the Red Sox in 1918.

oh, babe ruth

Kitḫ

hiss

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:52

yeah... I'm... kinda... not really into sports.

Kitḫ

Well, no matter. The curse is reversed, anyway.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But thankfully, Wikipedia is there, like an omnipresent extension to my memory.

Kitḫ

And baseball wasn't really popular until the late 1800s, and not well organized professionally until around 1900, I think.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ANYWAYS, the point is, WWI help solidify the name "hot dog".

whereas "liberty steak" did not catch on. because it's dumb.

Kitḫ

Well, I still think it's hooey. They're not called "wieners" either, and I don't think we had a beef with the Austrians.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:57

wasn't it one big emprire at that time?

Kitḫ

I think it's another myth that Canadians perpetuate in order to feel superior to Americans.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

anyway, time to run. ahoy mateys.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Bye!

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And yes, but with Hungary, not Germany.

I have to go too.

Good night!

Sonic The Hedgehog

02:14

@Kit

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Austria (the Austro-Hungarian empire until the end of WWI) was allied to Germany in both Wars.

Kitḫ

02:31

@Cerberus Allied, but not part of their empire.

@SonicTheHedgehog Cute. Is that an ocelot?

Cerberus

02:58

@Kitḫ Austria was annexed by Germany in 1938.

And murder of the Austrian heir apparent more or less sparked WWI.

Kitḫ

03:11

Right.

simchona

@Kitḫ It's a kitty!

Kitḫ

@simchona Ocelots are kitties.

simchona

@Kitḫ I never said they weren't

Kitḫ

Hmm.

I see.

user19161

@Kitḫ Ubuntu 11.10 will be called Oneiric Ocelot.

Kitḫ

03:17

@Jasper Better Oneiric than Ornery.

user19161

Hi @sim. I edited one of your answers, just some small punctuation thing again.

Anonymous

07:28

Hello, anyone here? :)

I've some question, phase request.

z7sg Ѫ

09:47

@Anonymous phase request?

Ocelot!

Anonymous

If I tell my friends on facebook to use legal software like me but in face I use pirate software, how to call person like me? (slang / idioms)

z7sg Ѫ

liar

or were you looking for a gentler word?

Anonymous

yes, please. :)

z7sg Ѫ

5

Q: Is the noun "liar" considered offensive? Would it be offensive to use it with a proven liar?

Is the noun liar considered offensive? Would it be offensive to use it with a proven liar?

3

Q: What's idioms/slang to call person that pretend to be good but they're not?

This is not relevant to my real life but it come from movie in my local TV. Actress in movie is real bad but when she talk with other, she pretend to be innocent/ good woman. I want to know how to call this kind of person.

idioms phrase-requests

the top answer from the second one has plenty of options

oh that is your question! heh well i don't know what you want then

;D

what's up with it?

Anonymous

10:03

um, i will try to explain more.

z7sg Ѫ

sounds like a fake to me, a phony, a fraud

but do try and explain

Anonymous

when i post my photo of my house on facebook, my house is clean but i just prepare everything before i take that photo to make people say "oh, you're good man, you clean your house everyday" but it face i clean my house once a month or less.

it's like fake, does it has an alternative word?

z7sg Ѫ

yes i think a person like that is a fake

Anonymous

thank you :)

oh, i just have one more question. my native speaker's friends told me that i can improve my grammar by read lots of book but it's help much. I read books everyday, usually computer book but my grammar still crap.

do you have suggestion on this?

z7sg Ѫ

10:18

well, reading books will help your vocabulary and comprehension but for grammar you probably need to do exercises. i think the best thing for this is a teacher who will be able to identify the problem areas and set appropriate exercises for you.

Anonymous

ok :)

z7sg Ѫ

you could find a textbook and work from that but really, that won't be half as effective without a professional.

Anonymous

so, do i need a teacher to teach me speaking as well, now i can talk in English bug my accent is bad.

z7sg Ѫ

what is your native language?

i know some people benefit from recording themselves and then comparing their pronunciation with a native speaker's.

Anonymous

10:56

My native language is Thai

genesis

11:52

Hey everyone, please mention me if you wanna reply. Is "This is a very interesting question that has not received enough attention" correct?

Kitḫ

@genesis Grammatically, yes.

genesis

@Kitḫ spelling is wrong?

Kitḫ

@genesis No, it looks fine.

genesis

@Kith okay, thanks

z7sg Ѫ

surprised there isn't a harry-potter tag already

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:21

Good morning ye scurvy bilge rats!

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Morning!

Guess what? Guess what?

I'm testing on the production server today!

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ thanks for the offer, but i have same dedicated writer friends who i'll tap as beta readers. do you read fantasy much?

@Kitḫ congrats?

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs Thank you.

@JSBᾶngs OK. I should have mentioned that I've done it before. And yes, I read a lot of fantasy.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ well, hmmm. i'll keep you on file in case i need another reader

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Yay, production testing. That's how we do almost all our testing. With real live users! Muhuhahahahahaha

Kitḫ

12:44

Can I share a another story about the project lead?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Is it a good story? Should i make popcorn?

Cuz popcorn is good any time of day, even this unholy hour

Kitḫ

I think it's funny.

But that doesn't mean much.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Then don't keep us waiting! I used up all my patience waiting for the swag

Kitḫ

Well, OK.

JSBᾶngs

story plz

Kitḫ

12:49

So he appears in my doorway yesterday morning, with a "hey, how's it going?"

I give my standard flip-him-the-bird (not really), and he begins with "Well, I probably shouldn't tell you this..."

I hate that garbage. You know? Just friggin' out with it, man!

He just got off the phone with the head honcho, statewide program director. He didn't want to freak me out or anything...

Except of course, I could see that he did in fact want to freak me out...

But she'd been at a conference or talking to some people or something and anyway, Indiana is interested in our project.

pause

I blink, thinking "And..?"

He says, "So bringing Indiana's entire school system into this project wouldn't freak you out?"

pause

I narrow my eyes in that particular way that I hope conveys the impression that I am thinking "Is he an idiot or does he think that I am one?"

Then I reply, "Um, no. I built it to be scalable."

z7sg Ѫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I got my swag today! Yay 4 stackchange!

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ nice. well-told. is your line about scalability bullshit, or is it actually that scalable?

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs It's perfectly scalable. Uh. I think.

I mean, we're talking about tens of thousands of users, not millions or anything.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ heheh nice approach.

What kind of a boss does that?

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ well, yeah, pfff. tens of thousands of users is peanuts

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:56

@z7sgѪ Yeah I got mine on the weekend, it made me feel special because no website ever sent me free stuff like that before.

Kitḫ

Well, low tens.

If that.

genesis

hey everyone

stackoverflow.com/posts/7485502/revisions

I'm not quite sure if "via" can be capitalized? Probably yes...

Kitḫ

@genesis Sure, why not?

JSBᾶngs

Via can totally be capitalized

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 He's not my boss; he's the project lead.

genesis

12:58

okay..

z7sg Ѫ

@JSBᾶngs That would make VIA.

JSBᾶngs

i now have three monitors and a laptop on top of my desk

z7sg Ѫ

wow look @ jonny 4 screens

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ well... still. yeesh.

@JSBᾶngs Well, I have two monitors and two lego pirate ships battling on the high seas.

JSBᾶngs

@z7sgѪ nya nya, my screens are bigger than yours

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:01

AND a tiny lego Johnny Depp

z7sg Ѫ

what res are they then?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 pics?

JSBᾶngs

@z7sgѪ big... two wide-screen monitors, and another more typical one

z7sg Ѫ

are they 1920 x 1080? mine is :P

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I have a tiny LEGO crush on your tiny LEGO Johnny Depp.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yesterday, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

z7sg Ѫ

13:03

do they float? would be cool if you had them in a wave tank

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ I doubt that they float. I could probably seal them up with glue, if I were insane.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And the douchebaggy kind.

z7sg Ѫ

lego is made from plastic right? plastic is made from oil, oil floats on water.... therefore they must float on water

Kitḫ

They float, but they are not watertight.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ That almost makes sense :)

@Kitḫ I'm not even sure if they would float, they're pretty heavy and not that wide.

Also, here's my Johnny Depp

Note he's chilling with the old-school '90s lego pirate

z7sg Ѫ

13:07

they almost certainly do float... but probably with a high waterline

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Now you need a little Keira Knightley and a little Orlando Bloom to all make out in the captain's cabin.

I like how we can see EL&U chat on your monitor in the background.

z7sg Ѫ

who is the cabin boy in this set-up?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Here's a pic of the modern lego pirate captain

No idea why this won't one-box but it works if you click: 2.bp.blogspot.com/_1xvGeM5s52w/SfUX3o7YnTI/AAAAAAAAAaM/…

JSBᾶngs

@z7sgѪ i'm pretty sure that i have two of those, but those monitors are both busy so i don't have time to check right now

@Kitḫ can i also have a little keira knightley?

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yargh!

@JSBᾶngs I think we could all do with a little Keira Knightley.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:11

@z7sgѪ which set-up? Are you referring to the black minifig next to depp? I have no clue who that is because this lego kit is from the most recent film and I only saw the first one.

JSBᾶngs

0

Q: Are pronouns optional?

To resolve an issue on Christianity.SE I'd like to know whether it would be legitimate to forgo ever using pronouns to refer to the Holy Spirit. So, is it required to use a pronoun when the subject is well established, like it's required in the game of Checkers to make a jump even when doing so...

pronouns

^ this question makes me feel funny. is it off-topic? or is it just annoying?

Kitḫ

It's annoying.

But you drop pronouns when using the imperative, right?

Oh, but they are not asking that.

I say migrate it to Writers. It's a style question.

cough

z7sg Ѫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 you gotta have a capn, first mate, bosun and cabin boy. the rest is optional.

JSBᾶngs

it's actually a gender and theology question trying to pass itself off as a style question

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs That's why I coughed.

Let's make it someone else's problem.

JSBᾶngs

13:14

@Kit your coughs are so expressive :)

i'd rather we close it outright. maybe "not constructive".

in any case we already have two good answers for it, so closing it now would just be to signal that we don't appreciate this kind of thing for the future

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ I think you're confusing toys with real life.

z7sg Ѫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 you clearly don't know how to play pirates properly :/

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs I don't think the OP is trying to discuss the gender/theology, but rather asking about the writing style when a hypothetical situation (such as an argument about gender/theology) comes up.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs I agree. Done.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs Have we abandoned the "usage" part of "English Language and Usage"? It seems to me that this question is on-topic for this site.

z7sg Ѫ

13:17

@MrShinyandNew安宇 i guess the tough one is deciding between Jack Sparrow and the old Lego Pirate for captain... i'd go with Jack tbh

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's stylistic, in any case. I suppose that could be the answer to the question, but his stated goal of "arriving at a consensus" sounds like a good argument to close as "not constructive."

JSBᾶngs

if the question were rephrased to remove most of the context, then it could be a pure usage/style question

wow, the clouds out my window are really dramatic right now

Kitḫ

God is threatening you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs I dunno, the context doesn't make the question wrong.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ Is he? She? It? Gah!

@MrShinyandNew安宇 you're free not to close-vote :)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:19

@JSBᾶngs And I did. Not-vote, that is :)

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 it's sentences like these that make me pine for a negative verb a la Finnish

guys, i have to share my big discovery with you: salt in your coffee. no, seriously

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs That would be handy.

@JSBᾶngs My parents used to do this all the time, then one day, they stopped.

z7sg Ѫ

@JSBᾶngs i don't see how it would help. you either vote or you don't vote.

JSBᾶngs

yeah, i did it on accident the other day, but it's awesome

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs They did it because their coffee maker manual told them to. Then they got a new coffee maker, and its manual didn't mention adding salt, so they stopped. :)

JSBᾶngs

13:21

@MrShinyandNew安宇 weird. i'm just adding a pinch of salt to my coffee as it comes out of the machine, and it tastes great. i would never have guessed that it made such a difference

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs I'll try it next time. Although I wonder if the people at Starbucks will think I'm insane.

Probably they have some crazy-ass lingo for "salt" in coffee. And given that many of Starbucks' lingo seems to be negative (non-fat, no-whip, no-room), adding salt is probably "non-desalinated"

@z7sgѪ I find the Jack Sparrow fig to be a little over-the-top, not Lego-y enough. I love the old and new pirate captain figs, though, with those little minifig hook hands, and the peg leg. pure awesome.

JSBᾶngs

starbucks serves a "salted caramel hot chocolate" in the fall, which gives precedent

z7sg Ѫ

the gunner zombie

he could be bosun i suppose

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JSBᾶngs oh, yeah, I tried that, it was awesome.

@z7sgѪ I guess that's who is standing on my desk. There's another zombie fig in this set too. To be honest I only bought the set for the little lego globe.

z7sg Ѫ

i'm not sure how well your crew would work out. there could be personality clashes. and that's not what you need on a long sea voyage

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:32

@z7sgѪ Considering that a standard lego ship doesn't have a kitchen, a head, enclosed rooms, stored water or food, etc, I think personality clashes might be the least of their concerns. And anyway, what kind of kid plays "sea voyage"? It's all about battle!

brb

z7sg Ѫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 what's wrong with sea voyage? >:(

fossilet

bonjour

Kitḫ

@fossilet Hola!

JSBᾶngs

@fossilet buna dimineata

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ It's not exciting? It's the boring part of the whole thing. The fun parts are the "shipwrecked, now must survive", "visiting hostile natives", "stormy weather", "pirate attack", etc, parts.

z7sg Ѫ

13:45

@MrShinyandNew安宇 yeah, but those are all integral parts of a sea voyage! :D well, maybe being shipwrecked isn't essential but the rest deffo

fossilet

@JSBᾶngs what's this language?

JSBᾶngs

@fossilet romanian

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ Yeah but when you're under attack by pirates, or whatever, it doesn't matter if there's a bosun around.

z7sg Ѫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Err, what? Bosuns totally kick arse in a battle.

aedia λ

14:02

Yeah! Who else is gonna make sure you splice the mainbrace?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@z7sgѪ On a Lego ship, the amount of arse-kicking in battle is determined by the awesomness of the minifig and not their rank.

Kitḫ

@aediaλ sigh I love it when you talk that way.

aedia λ

14:22

Kitḫ

@aediaλ giggle

I need .Net help. Anyone about?

aedia λ

I can smile and nod attentively while pretending like .Net isn't the worst thing ever.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ yes

@aedia .net is awesome

tho i have to go quickly

so make it snappy :)

Kitḫ

Here's a side question. What is a reasonable level of irritation for the following scenario?

The place where I consult asked if there was any problem with a scheduled reboot of the production server in a couple of days so they could do Windows updates. When I asked what the updates were the reply was "Systems approved patches."

My initial thought was, how am I supposed to know whether that's going to affect my system?

On the other hand, I'm just a consultant.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ "systems approved patches" is pretty vague. be mildly irritated. OTOH it's not very likely that a windows update will affect your system

unless you know that the update is pulling down something huge, like a new .net release or something

ok, off to my meeting. will answer more questions later

Kitḫ

14:31

@JSBᾶngs I suppose I am more irritated that the IT guy doesn't know more about what's going on on his machines.

@JSBᾶngs So I squandered my opportunity, but I am stuck on figuring out how I handled the expired session. I did it on the testing server, but apparently I have not configured it the same on the production server. I'm poking around, but I thought someone might know right where to look.

Obviously, I can check SO and such, but if you happen to have an idea off the top of your head...

Matt Эллен

14:52

@Kitḫ you've looked in web.config?

Kitḫ

I think it may be that the connection string is encrypted. That's the only thing that's different.

Matt Эллен

the connection string is encrypted? lol

Kitḫ

What? Why is that funny?

Matt Эллен

well, if they've hacked your web server, they have access to how to decrypt your connection string

@Kitḫ sorry, I didn't mean to be so derogatory

Kitḫ

Well, I didn't encrypt it. And I don't know how to decrypt it.

So I can't figure out what the connection string should be.

Matt Эллен

14:56

another reason why encrypting it is a bad idea

Kitḫ

Well, my boss did it, and he's not here today.

I think it has to be done because of state IT policies.

Matt Эллен

hmmm. what is the problem with the session, exactly?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

encrypting the connection string is meant to prevent accidental disclosure of the password through shoulder surfing

Kitḫ

It just errors when it expires, instead of redirecting to login.

Matt Эллен

can you lengthen the session timeout to make it go away

@Kitḫ oh

Kitḫ

14:58

@MattЭллен That is not allowed.

It works on the testing server.

I think it must be something I changed in IIS.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

can you compare the configuration files?

or is it all in the registry

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 The config files are identical except for the connection strings.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ the connection string is for the DB, right?

that's probably not the source of your problem

BUT if there is config information stored in the db...

Matt Эллен

this page suggests two ways to get redirects to work

@Kitḫ what is the error you are getting?

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 True. I only thought that because it is the only thing that is different.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:04

Is there some sort of application-wide error handling in .net?

maybe that is configured differently

Matt Эллен

there is for ASP.NET

in IIS

Kitḫ

> Server Error in '/CIMME' Application.
Procedure or function 'GetNavTree' expects parameter '@user', which was not supplied.

Which just means the Session value is null.

But when the Session expires, it is supposed to redirect to Login.

I remember changing this somewhere, but I can't find my notes.

Matt Эллен

It could be a config issue in IIS - if you've configured the test server to redirect error types to the login, but you've not done that for production

Kitḫ

Hmm. Good thought. Let me see.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

This conversation is a good example for why application-server configuration should be in your source-code-control system, at least, as much as possible.

and you can expect to need to maintain parallel branches if another state starts using your software.

Kitḫ

15:15

punches server

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Really? Why is that?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And it is, as much as possible.

But we are small and without unlimited resources.

Matt Эллен

what version of IIS are you using?

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен 7

Matt Эллен

Ah. I've mostly dealt with 6. I think I have 7 running at home. I can have a look later if you're still in need

you're probably better off just asking the overflow, though :)

Kitḫ

Maybe lunch will help. BRB

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Well, I'd expect that with two different customers, demanding different customizations, the software will eventually fork, if only so that you can maintain the various installations

like if Maine is running 1.2.3334 and Indiana is running 2.1.321321 and you find a bug in both versions, you'll need to fix both versions at the same time.

Kitḫ

15:24

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Maybe, but it supports a national program, so I don't think we'll end up with separate customizations. It's possible though.

Brain is getting hazy. Must have lunch...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ customizations might not be the problem if you just maintain separate modules. But different installed versions will almost certainly be an issue if you can't force everyone to upgrade.

Matt Эллен

enjoy your lunch @Kit. see y'all later

user19161

16:35

Hi @matt. Just watched Contagion starring Matt Damon, that's you.

Matt Эллен

I r not matt damon

Hi @Jasper :)

user19161

@MattЭллен I've got new singer now as you can see.

Matt Эллен

ah yes, miss Carey

user19161

So a new theme, with a new message.

user19161

Her hair looks like yours!

Matt Эллен

16:39

um, ok :D

user19161

I saw your new chat profile message too.

user19161

Contagion was a movie with a very simple story but great acting from great actors.

user19161

Some virus outbreak, vaccine invention, panic.

user19161

I watched it because of Matt.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jasper you should watch the first part of this

►

It's about Mariah Carey

but the song that follows is good too

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