English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

00:33

@JohanLarsson What was?

username901345

03:51

hi

what does this mean?

"Can I ask you this in case you should have done something inappropriate?"

username901345

05:26

what is this shoudl>

Cerberus

05:41

Now that is a more specific question.

Should can be added in conditional clauses.

It makes the situation described in the clause slightly more tentative, the writers is slightly less convinced that it is true.

Ice Boy

05:53

@JohanLarsson what is an "internet tough guy"?

There's no way to walk the walk on the internet, you can only talk the talk. But without the walk it means nothing :-)

Thus, it seems like an oxymoron.

Jasper Loy

07:36

Wow, I have 7 stars on the wall, miracle.

Matt Эллен

Morning, Jasper.

Jasper Loy

Recently, I am bothered by the illegal thing I told you about again, lol. I think I will talk about it with my friend and see what he thinks.

Matt Эллен

fair enough

Jasper Loy

I could risk doing it and paying a fine or going to jail. But I am not sure if I can afford the time and money now.

On the one hand, I want to help certain people in society by doing it, on the other hand maybe I should just let them help themselves.

On the one hand, my conscience tells me to do something for them, on the other hand, I just want to take the easy way out.

To do what is illegal but morally right, this is a great dilemma indeed.

Matt Эллен

noöne will fault you for not breaking the law

Jasper Loy

07:47

Also, the obsession with doing it extends. If I were to do this thing for my country, should I try to do it for the world?

I have an obsession of changing the world. And maybe I don't mind spending my life doing it. But is that what I should be doing with my life?

I recently moved my desktop to the store room. Now I only have my laptop on the desk. Much more spacious.

I am eagerly awaiting Ubuntu Mate 14.10. It will be the first release of this new distro.

After that, they may go back and produce an Ubuntu Mate 14.04 LTS.

I suddenly have a craving for noodles, I should go out and have some.

Matt Эллен

08:04

sounds like a plan. I had noodles for dinner last night

Gigili

08:25

@Mitch Thank you.

Johan Larsson

08:37

@Robusto When I said that maybe you can only say no on the internet.

@IceBoy a keyboard warrior.

medica

@Arrowfar - still struggling with that pesky construction, I see. Keep at it! I started to answer your question, but Edwin Ashworth beat me to it.

@MattЭллен - I have a question if you have the time. Do you have a minute?

Matt Эллен

Sure

medica

In the uncommon event that one strikes it rich on an answer, and exceeds 200 points per day,

the rep tops off at 200, but any downvotes are subtracted, even though the actual rep may far exceed that.

It is a disincentive to downvote bad questions for people working the queue.

I had a ton of rep from one simple answer, thT PUT ME AT 200 FOR FOUR DAYS.

(sorry about the caps, accident)

Matt Эллен

That's true, but you will still get the rep back if someone vote for you.

medica

But in the end, at least two of those days, I fell under the 200 cap be...

huh? I don't understand

One day, I had 199 because of one downvote, another, 198.

While rep is no biggie, having 200 rep for (?) 200 days is kinda cool.

Matt Эллен

08:46

yeah

medica

Whatever the frequency is for the gold badge.

Thus the disincentive if one hits 200.

Matt Эллен

the rep cap badge?

I would hope that would trigger even if you've been down voted. I don't know actually

medica

um, I'd have to look. I think it's silver for 50, gold for 200 days with 200 rep.

No, it's happened to me with considerable frequency.

Anyway, just something to ask about. It would be nice if one didn't lose the 200 cap for being conscientious on the review queue.

Thanks. If you have any thoughts or insights, please ping me.

Matt Эллен

Will do!

username901345

hi

"Can I ask you this in case you should have done something inappropriate?"

what does this mean?

Matt Эллен

08:54

@medica apparently if you cap and thenend up less than 200, that day won't count towards the badges. that sucks.

6

A: Rep cap allows to cast free answer downvotes

It's a bit hard to abuse, because you have to get additional upvotes after spending rep on downvotes. If you don't, they are not free. From personal experience - if you hit the rep cap and then downvote, you might end up at 199 that day. And that means that the day is not counted towards certain...

@username901345 am I allowed to ask you this in the case that you have done something inappropriate?

username901345

oh

should is in this case like

it is natural that you should have done that

?

Matt Эллен

yeah

username901345

thank you

Matt Эллен

no probs

username901345

Is this correct? This is about a political debate..."The man in the middle of the panel---his voice was being drowned out, sandwiched by the other two's ever such strident, spittle-spraying voices."

medica

09:15

@MattЭллен Hence the question. :-) Should it be fixed? I've thought about posting it in meta, but I thought someone would actually know why it's set up that way.

@MattЭллен Hmm. Read it and it still looks like a bug to me.

@MattЭллен english.stackexchange.com/questions/202542

Matt Эллен

/facepalm

thanks!

@medica I don't rep cap often enough to think it's a bug :D There probably is a feature request or bug report for it, though. seems like something people would want sorted out.

Hmm. I can't see a question about it. Could be worth asking, @medica.

username901345

09:57

matt?

Matt Эллен

yes?

@username901345 yes, it's fine

username901345

10:18

thank you

username901345

10:53

The term "bench" is also used as a metonym to mean all the judges of a certain court or members of a judiciary.

memebers is modified by "all the?"

mean all the (judges) and (members)...

Matt Эллен

all the (judges of a certain court) or (members of a judiciary)

so yes

members is modified by "all the"

username901345

11:20

thanks

Jasper Loy

12:36

@MattЭллен My noodles cost about 6 USD, very expensive. Think I should eat elsewhere in future. My usual dinner cost only 3 USD.

Matt Эллен

that is expensive

username901345

The all-seeing eye is ever behind you.

Matt Эллен

I had very cheap noodles that I boiled in a pan

but I didn't get any meat or veg with them!

username901345

Try a ramen stall or something.

China Town

Jasper Loy

Well, I usually don't eat expensive food, but sometimes I just want to eat something different.

@MattЭллен It's sold in the most expensive building in the world, lol.

username901345

12:40

Music is the food of our clayey urgings.

you know...

Dont ya think so?

Beta Decay

14:24

Hey, since I don't really want to search either of these terms, what's the difference between a corpse and a cadaver?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected, Phone number detected: +91-9950211818 kala jadu ~@2014~specialist baba ji on english.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

@BetaDecay There's an EL&U question about it: english.stackexchange.com/q/126546

Beta Decay

@ProgramFOX That's great, thanks!

ProgramFOX

@BetaDecay You're welcome!

Beta Decay

What's the SmokeDetector?

ProgramFOX

14:32

@BetaDecay It's a chat bot that posts spam questions so users can flag to make sure it's deleted very quickly.

Cerberus

That.

Damn you, I was just typing the same thing!

ProgramFOX

:D

Cerberus

stamps foot for emphasis

Andrew Leach

@ProgramFOX TTL: 66 seconds for the last one :)

Beta Decay

Ahh who set it up?

ProgramFOX

14:36

@BetaDecay The bot is maintained by the Charcoal team, including Undo, ManishEarth, hichris123 and me.

Beta Decay

@ProgramFOX Hmm.. Interesting :)

Mitch

@ProgramFOX haha. I thought it was -actual- spam.

Cerberus

I thought you were —actual— spam.

Mitch

I'm not going to cllick on a link like that! guilt by association!

@Cerberus em-dash lover!

Cerberus

Hyphenophile!

Matt Эллен

14:41

~~not me~~

Mitch

Oh. I forgot to say "Damn you to hell".

I bet you avoid the Oxford comma, too.

Cerberus

I do not!!

I have just learned the origin on hyphen.

Mitch

Oh?

Cerberus

From hupo "under" + hen "one".

Mitch

You didn't already know it was Greek?

Cerberus

14:43

I assumed it to be Greek.

Mitch

An unknown known?

Cerberus

To know that it is Greek is not to know its exact origin.

Mitch

γνώθι τις υποθέσεις

Matt Эллен

from hoopo, meaning hoop and hen meaning hen. hoophens were a unit of currency in the byzantium era. hens in a hoop, because they're easier to carry that way.

Mitch

@Cerberus underone - that makes no sense.

That's a pretty Byzantine explanation.

Johan Larsson

14:49

Looking for a programming word if Metres is the unit what is Millimetres?

Matt Эллен

I'll consant your noples

Cerberus

Well, there are two words that fall under one super-word?

Johan Larsson

Creating a datastructure where each base unit has a list of subunits|conversions

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson sub-unit? division? fractional unit

Cerberus

@Mitch Hmm what is that supposed to mean?

Know someone hypotheses?

Johan Larsson

14:50

@MattЭллен ok I'll go with SubUnit ty sir

Matt Эллен

no worries :D

Johan Larsson

Do you make nuget packages at work?

Matt Эллен

no. I tried to use one once, but it didn't work out

Johan Larsson

use as in install from nuget?

Matt Эллен

yeah

Johan Larsson

14:55

Try again imo, it is nice

We have started to publish packages to a local nuget at work. Think it will be nicer than project references.

Forces us to create versions and updates become explicit.

Convenient to update in large solutions, manage > update and have all projects update the ref.

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson hmmm. that's just what happens with Hg.

Mitch

@Cerberus Oh. That makes sense. I was thinking more physically.

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен how do you mean? Explicit pull?

Mitch

@Cerberus ha ha google translate doesn't do what I want!

You're always saying "Know yourself" and I was trying to say "Know your assumptions"

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson if I clone from a version tag, then the sub projects are all at the right version, too.

Cerberus

15:01

@Mitch You are always thinking physically with people, cut it out!

Mitch

@JohanLarsson It's just before lunch for me so I thought that was some sort of food thing. "Why yes, I make nuget -all- the time. good for a snack or for a meal!"

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен yeah

@Mitch pun, now you have to feel terrible for five minutes while we judge you.

Cerberus

@Mitch Ah, I see. Tis does not mean "your" in any way. That would have to be sas or sou or seautou in this context: gnôthi seautou hupotheseis.

Johan Larsson

15:41

ok the five minutes are over let's put it behind us.

Mitch

Oh. I was all ready to be ashamed.

terdon

@Mitch I modern Greek, it's the.

Mitch

@Cerberus I don't want facts to get in the way of my opinions

terdon

τις υποθέσεις == the assumptions

Matt Эллен

@Mitch but opinions are facts. it's a fact that you have opinions

Mitch

15:43

@terdon google translate gives "γνωρίζουν τις υποθέσεις σας" for "know your assumptions". Is that plausible?

Cerberus

@terdon Oh, really? That is weird!

Mitch

@MattЭллен Nice! Will treat all opinions as facts from now on.

terdon

@Mitch Nope. That's they know your assumptions but to further complicate things, the word can also mean business so that's more like big brother: they know your business.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch excellent. I am the best.

Cerberus

If anything, tis is indeterminate in Ancient Greek.

terdon

15:45

Business/things you're involved with

Mitch

@MattЭллен Wait.. that's your opinion. That's not in my set of facts.

terdon

@Cerberus In modern Greek, it's the plural female form of the.

Cerberus

@Mitch So you used Ancient Greek the first time, right?

Matt Эллен

@Mitch in your opinion I am the best.

Mitch

@Cerberus Nope, I mishmashed the scorates quote from the web with parts of things from google translate.

Cerberus

15:46

@terdon Tis anthropos = "a certain man, one man or another, a man".

terdon

@Cerberus Really? Not tois?

Or something?

Cerberus

Tois(i)(n) is the dative plural m/n article.

Mitch

What's the imperative for "Know your hypotheses" then? (in modren greek)

Matt Эллен

don't throw your tois out the pram

Cerberus

@Mitch Oh...and in Google Translate, did you pick Ancient Greek or New Greek?

Mitch

15:47

@MattЭллен In my opinion your reasoning is problematic.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch my problem is your opinion is reasonable

Cerberus

I quote the Odyssey:
êsthion. autar ho toisin apheileto nostimon êmar

Mitch

@Cerberus Oh..I don't think there's an ancient Greek. I looked. I presume Latin is not Vulgar Latin or Church Latin, but just 100 BC literary Latin.

Matt Эллен

he did not just say that!

Mitch

@MattЭллен You got some big problems then.

Cerberus

15:49

@terdon How well do you know the Odyssey?

Mitch

@Cerberus You would say that.

Matt Эллен

►

Cerberus

@Mitch Ah, okay. I wouldn't trust Google to know Ciceronian Latin, or even to be precise about its choices.

terdon

@Cerberus Not as well as you probably. I've read the whole thing though, yes.

Cerberus

In Greek?

Ancient Greek.

Mitch

15:50

@Cerberus The original comic book, the movie made from the comic book, or the comic book inspired by the movie?

Cerberus

I don't know the Odyssey well, I have only read some books of it in Greek.

terdon

@Mitch Γνώριζε τις υποθέσεις σου.

Mitch

Bless you.

Cerberus

But I do know the first couple of lines of book 1, because I memorize and recall them as a sleeping aid.

@Mitch The original Youtube video, d'oh.

Mitch

I would think that would keep you up. All the killing and stuff.

Cerberus

15:52

I only know a few decades of lines! No fighting yet.

Mitch

►

Action right from the start.

Cerberus

This video is not available in your country. Sorry about that.

To all ye Europeans, if you want to halt corruption, you are advised to sign the grand petition against TTIP and CETA, which has already gathered 615,000 signatures:
http://stop-ttip.org/sign/

The problem is explained on the same site, in a 3-minute read: stop-ttip.org/what-is-the-problem-ttip-ceta

This is the most important effort against corruption of the decade, and of this century so far, in the West.

It took one week to collect 600,000 signatures...

Mitch

16:11

How about this one?

►

Cerberus

>
This video is not available in your country.
Sorry about that.

username901345

@Mitch hi, "he would kill me and, he warned, my girl."

Is this the same as "he warned me that he would kill me and my girl?"

Cerberus

Yes, more or less.

username901345

he warned is modifying only "my girl" or the whole sentence...

both possibilities are possible?

Cerberus

16:54

Only "my girl", in theory.

However, in context the first clause is also a warning, and he is presumably threatening both people at the same time, so in the end there is no semantic difference.

Robusto

Why can't pineapple devs ever answer a simple question without responding with 400 sutras about the peripheral issues?

Cerberus

17:14

Hah.

Why can't [any] [person] do that?

Robusto

I can.

Johan Larsson

17:47

But can you say no irl?

Maybe if we nag and wrath++ enough.

Cerberus

Fun!

Johan Larsson

The three heads looks more like rats than dogs imo.

!fun :)

Cerberus

18:02

How dare you!!

You you...monocephalous monstrosity!

Johan Larsson

18:22

can't tell if it is an insult.

Stack Exchange

18:36

Limerick Machine: There once was a man in a shop Who paid for his food with a hop The clerk was impressed The hop w…

posted on October 15, 2014 by sgdi

There once was a man in a shop Who paid for his food with a hop The clerk was impressed The hop was the best But he still wanted cash for the mop

Cerberus

18:51

@JohanLarsson That is so typical of monocephalics.

Johan Larsson

How are things my friend?

Ice Boy

you, you ... tricephalic canine :-)

from the underworld

Jasper Loy

Hello @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am now Superman, lol.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy yes I saw you wearing that on Tuesday

oh, that was yesterday

Jasper Loy

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Don't tell anyone. They are not supposed to know I am Superman, lol.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:06

I'm so confused ever since my monitor developed a bright green stuck-on line of pixels

Johan Larsson

19:17

One litre of milk in BrE right?

Mitch

19:29

Look it up.

@JasperLoy I'm Gunga Din

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Vertical or horizontal?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Vertical

Robusto

19:53

Resolved: Kiss-asses who post politically correct ass-polishing emails to everyone in the company should be forced to eat library paste.

Ice Boy

:-)

Johan Larsson

If one has only PC to say one should say something else.

Ice Boy

20:17

at least PC is not offensive

in fact, it is intentionally defensive :-)

Robusto

21:01

@IceBoy It's offensive to me and all right-thinking people.

Ice Boy

ass-kissing will always be apart of politics

Johan Larsson

21:22

@Robusto Yes clearly offensive. they should have their tongues removed by cats.

Ice Boy

21:48

76

Q: Is there an actual "pity" or "sympathy" upvote problem?

There have been a number of discussions about "pity" or "sympathy" upvotes. http://meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=pity+sympathy+upvote That is, the idea that once a post is voted down to -1, some kind-hearted user will come by and upvote the post, no matter how terrible or wrong it may be, to ...

41

Q: Do we have a problem of "pity upvotes"?

I know, this may sound like it is off-topic, but hear me out. At Stack Overflow and here we get votes on posts, this is all stored in a tabular form. E.g.: post id voter id vote type datetime ------- -------- --------- -------- 10 1 2 2000...

time-series hypothesis-testing data-mining markov-process censoring

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh. You should have chosen horizontal. The outcome would have been less terrible.

@Robusto Mmmm.... library paste. Comfort food. just the right level of sweet and salt.

@JohanLarsson "Cat got your tongue? You ass-kisser."

Johan Larsson

I'm rarely accused of that

In Sweden there is a saying 'Sparka nedåt och slicka uppåt'

Mitch

Because the cat got their tongue.

Johan Larsson

(kick down and lick up)

My friends say I kick up.

Mitch

haha...I think. WHat does it mean though?

Johan Larsson

22:02

lick up would be brown nosing

Mitch

and kicking down?

Johan Larsson

kick down would be to be an asshole to the people you are manager for

Mitch

Ohhh... duh.

Johan Larsson

You came back strong after the suspension, I starred you, felt good.

Johan Larsson

22:25

GramsPerCubicMillimetre(s) plural here?

I think not but dunno

Johan Larsson

22:57

yeah feels like def singular now

Cerberus

23:28

@JohanLarsson Yes: it is the number of grams you have for each millimetre.

Johan Larsson

yep ty

do you have visual studio?

Cerberus

Nope.

I think I got it for free once, though.

But I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Jasper Loy

23:50

@Cerberus Woof! Are you sleeping?

Cerberus

Nope just got home.

How about you?

Damkerng T.

> She might have been being possibly supposed to have been being able to have been managing to have been going to have been surviving this sentence.

Jasper Loy

Nope. They seem to be blocking more and more sites here, lol. I should use my VPN.

Damkerng T.

Please rate my sentence. :P

Jasper Loy

@DamkerngT. Incomprehensible, lol.

Cerberus

23:52

501%.

Congratulations!!

@JasperLoy That sucks! Like which sites?

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Cerberus

At least I am glad they are not yet blocking your VPN.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus I think they block about 100 porn sites here.

Cerberus

You blokes live next to each other.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Well, I don't think they can do that.

Cerberus

23:53

Only a thousand km of jungle between you!

@JasperLoy Such a low number?

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Yes, it is meant to be "representative of societal values", since they cannot block the whole internet.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy There are ways to try...

@JasperLoy Right, that sucks.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Well, I don't think they will go to that extreme in my lifetime.

Cerberus

OK.

They do block VPNs in some countries.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus OMG. So how do they access blocked sites? No way?

Cerberus

23:55

Well, they can't block all VPNs.

Let alone all exit points. And I don't think they block all encrypted traffic (yet).

Jasper Loy

Anyway, there is a site I discovered that became unblocked, lol. I was surprised. I wonder what happened. Maybe they only want to block 100 and not 101, lol.

Cerberus

Which one is it?

Jasper Loy

I should not write it here. It is, of course, a porn site, lol.

Amazing that people want to ban porn but not cigarettes, when the latter is more harmful.

Cerberus

Why not write it here?

Yeah, it's silly, puritanism.

Jasper Loy

Because this is a SE chat and I could get flagged? Also, maybe inappropriate too.

Cerberus

23:59

I have seen a porn site before. You can delete it afterwards.

Unless you think it will be shocking to the uninitiated.

Jasper Loy

Nah, my OCD tells me not to write it here, lol.

Transcript for

English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer…