English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user19161

02:37

@waiwai933 Quite well for English. Learnt from dictionary at 12 in 30 min. Sure, blog post from you would be nice.

KitΘδς

03:15

@waiwai933 I'd say I recognize only the most basic English sounds, enough to follow the pronunciations in dictionaries. Most symbols I'd have to look up.

kiamlaluno

10:48

@Reg How did I miss that? "You are confusing me with kiamlaluno."

user19161

@kiamlaluno Reg is in Rome with wife for a week, should be ending soon.

kiamlaluno

Oh… he didn't ask me permission for that. Good luck to him with the Romans.

user19161

I hoped he finished packing before leaving. That day he said he was half done only when he came back to talk to us. :)

user19161

Maybe he went there without any clothes.

kiamlaluno

By the way, I cite the NOAD because I know for which English dialect is, not because it's included the Mac OS X. I have the Collins, and the Dictionary.com on my iPod, but it's not clear to which English dialect they make reference.

user19161

10:56

@kiamlaluno I hate dictionary.com and collins.

kiamlaluno

It should have been better to go there with double the clothes; already you return home with half the clothes. ;-)

user19161

Actually it is better to not go with any clothes, since they will be lost on the way. Then he can save money on clothes.

kiamlaluno

Plus, it would not make sense to cite a dictionary that say the opposite of what I know.

user19161

I wonder when Windows will have built-in dictionary.

kiamlaluno

After 10 years passed to chat with an American person, I think I know more American than British. My English classes are a far memory.

user19161

10:59

I read that Windows 8 will have built-in pdf viewer, don't know if that is a deal with Adobe.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy When they will copy from the Mac OS X. :-)

Mac OS X already has a PDF viewer, and applications can also save a file as PDF.

Plus, printing a document, you can save it as PDF.

user19161

OK, well, Microsoft Office 2007 onwards can also save in PDF.

user19161

But for other applications, still need to download PDF converter software.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Sure, but you have to buy it, first. With the Mac, that is a feature included with the OS.

user19161

But it seems that almost nobody uses PostScript format today, mainly PDF.

user19161

11:03

I guess Mac makes for a better initial experience then. It's quite easy to download all the needed software though, and we get to try different software.

kiamlaluno

PDF is just a compressed format, with Postscript-like commands.

It's equivalent to EPF, in some way.

After all, both are from Adobe.

user19161

Yes, and flash too. Maybe Microsoft will take over Adobe in a few years. Then flash and PDF viewer will be included by default.

user19161

@kiamlaluno EPF? Do you mean EPS?

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy That is the only way Microsoft can do things.

user19161

Anyway on Windows there seems to be only one good way to view PS, and that is using GSview. Only one software for this purpose.

kiamlaluno

11:07

@JasperLoy I don't know why, but I keep to think of "Encapsulated Postscript File."

user19161

On the other hand there are at least 10 different PDF viewers on Windows.

user19161

EPS is a standard format for images. The bounding box always give problems I think.

user19161

I never played with SVG though.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Yeah, but Windows doesn't have a way to hook scripts to the printing process, nor to show a menu where third-party software can add a menu item to preprocess the printing items.

user19161

@kiamlaluno OK sounds like Mac is superior, but also more expensive. Ubuntu is trying to copy Mac, even the colour and wallpaper is purple all the time.

user19161

11:12

I think they should stop copying and start doing what they feel like.

user19161

While Linux is the free equivalent of Mac, ReactOS would be the free equivalent of Windows. But the project is just a hobby and I think it will not come to fruition in our lifetime.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy That is true for everybody; I don't like when they copy from each other.

user19161

I think very few people have heard of reactos.

kiamlaluno

It makes me feel as if an OS is just a matter of fashion.

@JasperLoy I have heard of it.

user19161

And also very few people know that Microsoft already has free antivirus, namely Microsoft Security Essentials. Check it out.

simchona

11:15

hello to you both

user19161

@simchona Boo!

simchona

@JasperLoy Eep!

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy I started to use it before it was included in the Windows updates. :-)

simchona

SU is back, by the way

kiamlaluno

SU?

user19161

11:16

@kiamlaluno stackunderblow

kiamlaluno

Super…Uber?

user19161

Problematic user.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Is that like sneezing?

simchona

@kiamlaluno What Jasper said

user19161

@kiamlaluno Then you are quite in touch with technological developments. Before that I used AVG, Avira, or Avast.

simchona

11:17

I use Avira now

user19161

@kiamlaluno I think he meant it as a pun on the word stackoverflow.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Well, I was looking for a free antivirus, and I found it. I was using the antivirus application from Microsoft, before they stopped to support it.

user19161

@simchona I recommend MSE, since they made Windows.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Considering that it's his username, I would think the pun is about himself. :-)

simchona

@JasperLoy i'll look into it

user19161

11:20

By the way, the stupid thing about Windows Defender in Vista is that you need to turn it off otherwise it will conflict with antivirus. Sometimes installing an antivirus will automatically turn it off thoug.

kiamlaluno

A username is your name on the web; if somebody chooses "stackunderblow," I think he is communicating something about himself.

simchona

Should it be on topic to ask people to formulate sentences?

user19161

Anyway as long as I use firefox, I think I am quite safe even without antivirus. I don't use any antivirus though on Linux, not necessary.

simchona

Like this:

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Q: Replying to a favour done by someone

Some people do me a big favour. What should I ask them after their help ? I have tried to ask directly like this What would you like me to do to pay back what I owe you ? What would you like me to do to make it up for you ? I can only think up two such ways to ask them, I am not sure if...

kiamlaluno

Talking of posts, I have to discover who is taking away votes on my posts, on DA.

user19161

11:23

@simchona His accept rate is 10 per cent. His standards must be very high. Maybe he has a PhD in English.

simchona

@kiamlaluno DA?

I feel like asking this in Meta

user19161

@kiamlaluno You mean someone is downvoting you on Drupal?

kiamlaluno

@simchona Drupal Answers?

simchona

Oh.

user19161

@simchona OK if you want. I think it is alright if OP asks about something specific and gives some examples he comes up with himself.

kiamlaluno

11:25

@JasperLoy No; somebody removed the vote casted on my answer, and accepted another answer after days he selected my answer.

user19161

@kiamlaluno Isn't that OK? No revenge involved.

kiamlaluno

That make a total of 20 removed from my reputation. If that keeps going, I guess something is wrong.

user19161

@kiamlaluno I thought it is 15?

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy That depends on why you do it. If you do it because I edited your post, that was not clear, then it is revenge.

@JasperLoy It is 15 for accepting another post, and 5 for removing the vote on a question of mine.

I was not being precise.

user19161

@kiamlaluno If it is the same user on a lot of posts maybe there is a problem. If it is different users then it is a story for Twilight Zone.

kiamlaluno

11:29

@JasperLoy It's the OS that makes you safe from viruses, not the browser. I remember the XP virus that shut down Windows all times you would connect to Internet. My cousin got it.

@JasperLoy Or it's a plot. :-)

Frankly, I find suspicious that happened in the same day.

Now, Mac OS X uses sand-boxing for applications; who creates the application can decide the operations that the application can do, and the application is signed. It is rather difficult for an application to alter another one, and make it do operations it should not do.

I mean, Mac OS X 10.7.

I am planning to replace my MacMini.

(I have doomed the room, it seems.)

simchona

did Jasper disappear?

kiamlaluno

I did nothing!

simchona

You and your magic powers.

kiamlaluno

Well, once they were not called powers. :-)

The plot is getting thicker.

Before they make votes vanish, and then they start with people.

simchona

11:45

gasp

We must get garlic! And silver bullets!

kiamlaluno

The next step will be countries.

simchona

I don't like Antarctica. Can you do something about that?

kiamlaluno

@simchona You forgot those wooden things.

simchona

Stakes.

Also: OT?

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Q: What are the different nuances of "passing with distinction" in a CV?

I am in the middle of translating my (German) CV to English. In the German/Austrian school system, there is the notion of passing ... ... "mit gutem Erfolg" (which is better than average, yet not the best you can achieve, roughly translating to "good success") ... "mit ausgezeichnetem Erfolg" ...

word-usage translation

kiamlaluno

@simchona I said "countries"; let's not make a step longer than the leg. :-)

simchona

11:47

@kiamlaluno Oh, my bad. How about...I'm not sure I can pick a country without people saying I'm racist or something

kiamlaluno

@simchona As long as he provided the equivalent words for English, I would think it's on-topic.

If he would have left us to guess what those German words mean, then it would be different. As the question is, I see it as just asking what words should be used in English, and he made the context clear.

Where is Cerby?

simchona

I'm not sure.

I NARQed this one though:

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Q: Examples where English is "more germanic" than German

English is a so called germanic language - as are German, Yidish, Dutch etc. In a way it seems natural to believe that German is "more germanic" than English. But here it is not clear what "more" is supposed to mean since "germanic" is just a linguistic description of the inner working engine an...

german germanic-languages

Or rather, not constructive

kiamlaluno

There is somebody who started to flag answers as "not an answer."

simchona

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Q: Examples where English is "more germanic" than German

English is a so called germanic language - as are German, Yidish, Dutch etc. In a way it seems natural to believe that German is "more germanic" than English. But here it is not clear what "more" is supposed to mean since "germanic" is just a linguistic description of the inner working engine an...

german germanic-languages

Or rather, not constructive

@kiamlaluno On which questions?

kiamlaluno

@simchona It could be off-topic too, in someway.

@simchona Three out of five are answers from A.Uysal.

simchona

11:58

@kiamlaluno You can't see names on the flags?

kiamlaluno

@simchona No, I can't see names because I am not a moderator; if I were able to see them, then I could not share that information.

simchona

Because I'll say it was probably me.

kiamlaluno

@simchona Well, I can say that whoever was, I agree with that user.

simchona

I can justify it if you want.

@kiamlaluno Well then, thank you.

kiamlaluno

@simchona There is no need to justify them. Without reading the answers, it seemed like a revenge against the user. I mean, I thought "who can give such bad answers that are flagged as not an answer?"

Now, I know the answer. :-)

simchona

12:06

@kiamlaluno Oh! Yes, it could be seen that way. I see what you mean

user19161

@simchona Yes I just ate dinner with my mum!

kiamlaluno

@simchona I think that everybody can have their own opinion; the important is they are sincere, and they don't hide a revenge act behind excuses.

user19161

@kiamlaluno Maybe afternoon siesta.

simchona

@kiamlaluno No revenge. I think the user means well but...not helpful all the time.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy That would have a long siesta. I mean, with 3 heads, that is not a normal siesta.

user19161

12:09

@kiamlaluno Of course, upvote and downvote doesn't mean correct or wrong, it just means agree or disagree. After all, what is "right" and "wrong"?

user19161

@kiamlaluno With 3 heads he needs more rest!

kiamlaluno

@simchona I know it was not revenge.

@JasperLoy Those are the votes on meta. On the main site, it means "this answer is not useful."

user19161

@kiamlaluno OK you know what I mean, Iwas talking about the main site actually.

user19161

First person to get swag must announce it!

simchona

Argh. The OP of the Germanic examples question doesn't seem to understand why I downvoted. Or voted to close.

kiamlaluno

12:13

I don't think it means useful to who read the answer; differently, a super-expert should down-vote all the answers because he already knows all. It would be practically impossible for him to find anything useful.

user19161

I find that when I talk (in real life or in chat) to a person with a certain style I subconsciously assimilate it too. Could be accent, syntax etc.

kiamlaluno

The CV one?

@JasperLoy I hope you don't assimilate mine.

simchona

@kiamlaluno No, the "give me examples of Germanic something or other'

kiamlaluno

@simchona Yes, I noticed it.

By the way, do we need german?

user19161

@sim You just overtook Kit and psmears in rep. Yay!

simchona

12:18

notice that germanic-languages is mostly asked by this same user

w00t

@Jasper: I think I inherited a fan. Someone just upvoted three of my answers that aren't even on the front page

Within the past 10 minutes

user19161

@simchona Shh, you know who it is.

simchona

@JasperLoy Oh...do I?

@Kiamaluno--on a streak against that tag, I see

kiamlaluno

I wish I had fans? Or should that be "I wish I had fun"?

user19161

@simchona Nvm you are a bit slow today.

simchona

@JasperLoy It's 2.30am. I think I can be slow right now

@kiamlaluno Depends on what you think your life needs.

user19161

12:23

@simchona So do you know who now?

simchona

@JasperLoy Yup.

kiamlaluno

@simchona That makes a difference of 12 hours from here.

I guess if that means Australia. :-)

simchona

@kiamlaluno What time is it in Australia?

user19161

@simchona It's not the same one as the other day though.

kiamlaluno

@simchona I guess it depends on which gives you votes on a SE site.

simchona

12:25

@JasperLoy Well. Now I'm confused again. But I think I get it. I think. Maybe.

kiamlaluno

@simchona I dunno; I was once said they are 12 hours ahead of Italy.

user19161

@simchona Since you said the one the other day probably had eight letters. This one only has 6, or 9.

simchona

@JasperLoy Or 3

kiamlaluno

We say la prima gallina che canta ha fatto l'uovo (the first chicken to sing lied the egg).

user19161

@simchona Obviously, since 6+3=9.

simchona

12:26

@kiamlaluno I think you may mean "laid"

@JasperLoy Hooray!

kiamlaluno

@simchona I dunno; I am not a chicken. ;-)

user19161

@kiamlaluno Kiamlaluno sounds like a soft drink.

simchona

Is this a dupe?

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Q: How do you make the possessive form with "He and I"-style subjects?

Despite being a native speaker of American English, I cannot find a construction that sounds natural when trying to form a possessive from coordinated subjects including a first person pronoun, like "He and I" or "My brother and I." If it's "You and I," I can just use "our." But what is the prope...

grammar pronouns possessive conjunctions ambiguity

user19161

@kiamlaluno Actually I am a chicken. I am born in the year of the rooster.

simchona

We're so special, we get our own time zone

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:28

@simchona I visited Hawai'i once. It was nice.

simchona

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Which islands?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oahu.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Now you will tell me I am a puppy because I was born in the year of the dog.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I did not know you write it with the apostrophe.

user19161

@kiamlaluno woof woof cluck cluck!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:29

@JasperLoy I don't always. But I figured I'd try to be polite. :)

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Really? Is that the official way to write it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona The driver of the airport shuttle that drove us to our hotel was quite pleased to tell us about how the TV show "Dog, The Bounty Hunter" was made in honolulu.

simchona

@JasperLoy It's not an apotrophe--it goes the other way, technically

a glottal stop, I think

user19161

Hawaii

Hawaii ( or in English; Hawaiian: Mokuāina o Hawaii) is the newest of the 50 U.S. states (August 21, 1959), and is the only U.S. state made up entirely of islands. It is the northernmost island group in Polynesia, occupying most of an archipelago in the central Pacific Ocean, southwest of the continental United States, southeast of Japan, and northeast of Australia. Hawaii’s natural and diverse scenery, warm tropical climate, abundance of public beaches and oceanic surrounding, and active volcanoes make it a popular destination for tourists, surfers, biologists, and volcanologists ...

user19161

Well it is written Hawaii in English.

user19161

12:33

And we speak English here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy This is the EL&U chat room. Half the time we're speaking anything but English.

@simchona My keyboard doesn't have a glottal stop key.

Actually, joking aside, isn't it fairly common to write a glottal stop with an apostrophe?

simchona

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but it's still not an apostrophe by name. Hawaiian doesn't really have an apostrophe

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy Can I add a "gobble gobble"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona And English has several things which resemble the apostrophe but are not really the same thing. It must make for some exciting arguments for certain kinds of people, trying to distinguish between the different symbols in "don't", "John's", "Hawai'i", and "This is 'quoted' text".

kiamlaluno

Rock'n'roll

simchona

12:42

Someone want to help me explain why lists are not constructive?

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Where but here means except. There are many questions on the main site asking about the meaning of but, interestingly.

simchona

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Q: Examples where English is "more germanic" than German

English is a so called a Germanic language, as are German, Yidish, Dutch, etc. In a way it seems natural to believe that German is "more Germanic" than English. But here it is not clear what "more" is supposed to mean since "Germanic" is just a linguistic description of the inner working engine ...

germanic-languages

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno Aren't those the same as the ones in "don't"?

kiamlaluno

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but it's from ages that I don't write that phrase, and I wanted to write it.

user19161

There is also Toys 'R' Us.

kiamlaluno

12:44

@JasperLoy The R should be flipped, in that case.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy Toys 'Я' Us

user19161

General observation: Sometimes the answer that is more complicated gets more upvotes, especially for word or phrase requests. It seems that people think that using big words means good English.

user19161

Another observation: Sometimes the answer with more comments expressing some doubt gets less upvotes. It seems that people think that comments mean the answer is not good.

user19161

Just pointing out some possilbe faulty logic in our thinking...

simchona

@MrShinyandNew Thoughts on the question I posted? (Please help close -.-)

user19161

12:47

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thanks, I was too lazy to figure out how to flip it!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy Windows Character map is my friend. But it's UI sucks.

Cerberus

*its

And hi!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona I'm not sure about list questions. I don't hate them as much as some people.

user19161

@simchona Done, because you say so.

user19161

@Cerberus Boo!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:49

@Cerberus Today is apostrophopposite day. You ca'n put the'm in where'ver you wan't.

Cerberus

Boo indeed!

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh n'o!

user19161

Pirates day is coming. We can take whatever we want.

Cerberus

Pirates day?

I didn't know they had that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy Did you see the discussion about that recently? We asked lauren to look into pirate-theming the site for Sept 19

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Pir'ates day.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 lauren?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:51

@kiamlaluno damn, I read that with a glottal stop. Pir-ahhtees

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes I saw that one.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno the CHAOS person assigned to this site... I think.

kiamlaluno

@MrShinyandNew安宇 That was the purpose, to make you read "pir ates day."

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno H'arr!

simchona

One more close vote...and it will be gone

kiamlaluno

12:53

@MrShinyandNew安宇 She doesn't decide anything about theming.

Jin is the designer, but he doesn't do anything if he is not asked to.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno Not directly. But she's in charge of helping to promote the site, or knows people who are, or something, and she said she'd pass along our request.

simchona

Pcr is back.

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Q: Facet vs predicate

http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/: Furthermore, we constrain the values of SKU using a facet called pattern in conjunction with the regular expression "\d{3}-[A-Z]{2}" that is read "three digits followed by a hyphen followed by two upper-case ASCII letters": I was wondering why is fac...

meaning vocabulary

kiamlaluno

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't think that by promoting they mean changing the theme used in a site. :-)

user19161

I know nothing about pirates day. I only read about it here. But in all seriousness I think there's no need to do anything then.

user19161

@simchona Changed his profile too.

simchona

12:55

I said his new q is too localized

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno Well, basically, change up the content a bit for special occasions, much like how on April 1st there are often gags or tricks. We thought TLAPD would be a good fit for this stie.

simchona

I also flagged an older question by vonjd because it seems off topic now

user19161

Well he took out the "debate me" part knowing that he will lose to me.

user19161

@simchona Done.

simchona

@JasperLoy Have I told you lately...that I love you?

user19161

12:58

@simchona Thank you!

kiamlaluno

@MrShinyandNew安宇 TLAPD = Total Los Angeles Police Department?

simchona

I think this is off topic now too:

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Q: Where can I find some information on similarities between German and English?

Both English and German are Germanic languages. Could you point me to some sources where the similarities of both languages are being examined and exemplified?

germanic-languages

user19161

@kiamlaluno LAPD and NYPD are terms I often come across on TV. There seem to be no other police departments.

simchona

It's kind of like "what English resources can I use"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno Talk Like a Pirate Day

simchona

13:01

Argh!

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy There is also FDNY.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy It's not that there are no other PDs. There are no other cities.

simchona

@JasperLoy HPD: Hawaii Five-0

kiamlaluno

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, TLaPD.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona So that Q seems to be off-topic but meanwhile it has received 12 upvotes

simchona

13:02

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's old, and I think early enough that opinions were different

Now, it got bumped to the front page and I think its OT

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno I don't feel constrained to leave out, or lower-case, my articles when I make acronyms. :)

simchona

@MrShinyandNew安宇 GLaDOS

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona ok, you convinced me. voted.

kiamlaluno

@simchona That is Spanish for glad.

simchona

@kiamlaluno But...the cake is a lie

user19161

13:04

@simchona Done.

kiamlaluno

@simchona The cake is done, once I passed nearby.

user19161

@kiamlaluno It is done since I keep saying done. :)

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy I am faster to eat it. :-)

simchona

@kiamlaluno Then you just ate a lie.

user19161

Next time no need to cook your food. Just stare at it and keep saying done.

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simchona

13:06

Well, I should sleep

g'night all

kiamlaluno

By the way, was it a New York cheesecake?

user19161

@simchona Night!

user19161

@kiamlaluno Maybe Los Angeles cheesecake. One type for each police department.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy I prefer a cheesecase New York style; I like it better.

user19161

@kiamlaluno OK, I prefer tiramisu cheesecake.

kiamlaluno

13:09

The second place is taken by the "up-side down" cake.

@JasperLoy I prefer the real tiramisù.

user19161

@kiamlaluno Me too, I think.

kiamlaluno

I wonder how much people understand the meaning of tirami sù, in Italian.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@kiamlaluno So what is it supposed to mean?

user19161

@kiamlaluno Honestly, I don't know. What does it really mean?

user19161

Google says "me up".

user19161

13:13

Maybe it means it gets me high.

kiamlaluno

Well, literally it means "take me up."

Cerberus

Tirame = pull me?

Sù = up?

kiamlaluno

It could be something said from who has fallen.

Cerberus

Funny, never thought about that.

It does make sense.

user19161

And even those who did not fall can eat it.

user19161

13:14

And get even higher.

kiamlaluno

It could also be used figuratively, as in "this thing is so good that takes me up."

Cerberus

Sure, makes sense.

@JasperLoy There is alcohol in it, so you could get drunk if you eat enough of it!

kiamlaluno

Maybe it should be "pulls me up."

user19161

@Cerberus Yes I ate it a few times before!

user19161

tiramisu and spaghetti carbonara, ah!

Cerberus

13:16

All mixed in a bob bowl?

user19161

Separate of course.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Is tira third person singular indicative?

Mana ಠдಠ

NO.

I mean uh hi.

user19161

Haha.

Cerberus

Uh hi!

kiamlaluno

13:17

@Cerberus It could be also the second person singular for the imperative.

Cerberus

Ah!

That's how I subconsciously read it.

Lascia me.

user19161

@mana Do you like tiramisu?

kiamlaluno

I should have said "jussive mood."

@Cerberus That is what lasciami means.

Mana ಠдಠ

@JasperLoy Can't say I've ever tried it.

user19161

@Manaಠдಠ How about spaghetti carbonara?

kiamlaluno

13:20

Lasciami is the preferred way to write it, even if I would debate that in ordinary Italian, you would say mollami if it's meant figuratively.

Mollami would mean "leave me alone."

Mana ಠдಠ

Uh...no, can't say I've tried that one either.

user19161

OK I am sure you had hamburgers before.

Mana ಠдಠ

Yes.

kiamlaluno

Aahm… burgers.

user19161

I am bored by McDonald's. Burger King is better, but too expensive.

user19161

13:22

Of course, their burgers are bigger and juicier.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Right, I even got that wrong. But the -a was right!

user19161

Mushroom Swiss is my favourite.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus It is right, but if you say that nobody would take you are Italian. :-)

user19161

Torna a Surriento.

kiamlaluno

That is pretty Neapolitan.

user19161

13:24

@kiamlaluno Same as O sole mio.

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy No; O sole mio is Italian, but in Italian the town name is Sorrento.

user19161

Also know Funiculi funicula.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Probably! But the few bits of Italian I know mostly come from operas anyway!

kiamlaluno

That is another Neapolitan word.

user19161

@kiamlaluno Oh thanks, I meant that I thought they were Neapolitan folk songs.

kiamlaluno

13:27

@Cerberus I can imagine you saying il nome mio nessun saprà. :-)

user19161

@kiamlaluno e noi dovrem ahime morir morir

user19161

Dilegua o notte tramontate stelle

user19161

tramontate stelle all'alba vincero

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno That word order sound poetical!

user19161

Vincero, vincero!

Cerberus

13:28

That is a well known aria, isn't it?

kiamlaluno

@JasperLoy They are; I was speaking of the words. :-)

user19161

@Cerberus Nessun Dorma, from Turandot by Puccini.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus "Il mio destino è chiuso in me… il nome mio nessun saprà… all'alba vincerò… vincerò…"

user19161

Tenor aria that ends in a high B.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Ah, of course.

kiamlaluno

13:31

@Cerberus Yeah, saying the possessive adjective after the noun it is referring to is not quite normal, but it is used in some dialects: mammata means mamma tua in Calabrian.

user19161

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kiamlaluno

That is similar to zieta, ziema, patrima and patrita.

Those mean "your aunt," "my aunt," "my father," and "your father."

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Coo. And how about putting the object first, then the subject, then the verb, as in that same line?

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus Do you mean as in il nome mio nessun saprà?

That is pretty poetic.

I think "poetic" is a better word.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Yes.

kiamlaluno

13:45

By the way, that is common in Sardinian.

Cerberus

I mean, as opposed to nessun saprà il nome mio.

kiamlaluno

Capito mi hai?

That is why Joda is said to speak Sardinian, here.

Sardinian language

Sardinian (, ) is the collective name of several related vernacular linguistic varieties spoken in most of the island of Sardinia, Italy. It is considered the most conservative of the Romance languages in terms of phonology and is noted for its Paleosardinian substratum. Linguistics Dialects The Sardinian language can be divided into the following main subregional language groups clearly identified by isogloss bundles: * Sardinian proper, characterised by a plural in -s and definite articles derived from the Latin IPSUM ** Northern (Sardu Logudoresu-Nugoresu), the most conservative di...

Cerberus

Funny, such diversity on an island.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus That is common in all Italy; there are similar differences between how people for close towns speak in the rest of Italy too. When you speak of Calabrian, you don't speak of a single Calabrian language.

I should have said Yoda, not Joda.

Cerberus

@kiamlaluno Yeah... we have lots of differences here too, from one village to the next, at least in the country.

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