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Jasper Loy

6:06 PM

@nosmoking LOL

nosmoking

@JasperLoy the tubes are for colds or rhinopharyngites, but I'll use them as a portable nose cleanser

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking So when is your math course going to start?

nosmoking

@JasperLoy For the moment, I've a bit given up on it, and searching jobs in computer science

one with them gsx.com/products/gsx-analyzer

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking OK. If you are not ready to study, it is better not to start yet. Do something else, like a job.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy yes thanks for advise, I feel I'm in a weird state, I need to do something

my arms are heavy, sometimes it's hard to work, move, read

Jasper Loy

6:19 PM

@nosmoking I feel the same. I have been jobless for seven years. These seven years, I have been struggling with severe mental problems.

nosmoking

I wish you deviate from this vicious spiral, like me

Jasper Loy

I am trying to. It is difficult.

nosmoking

maybe working is a solution, even a not-too-intellectual job

that's what I'm thinking for me, even if I want to act smartly in the job

Jasper Loy

I am not in need of money now, and I think a job now might make me worse.

nosmoking

with my studies, I must do something intellectual of course, but you know, development sometimes is not so intellectual

Jasper Loy

6:22 PM

But I am always thinking about the future.

nosmoking

I'm not in need of money as well, I've worked 4 years and saved almost 90% of the salary

Jasper Loy

I think nosmoking is a very good name for you, you should keep it.

nosmoking

but working, doing something is maybe a solution, or maybe that's because I'm in a weird post-treatment state

@JasperLoy I want it in real life, like Nosmoking Man a superhero fighting smokers with waterguns

Jasper Loy

I am trying to stabilise my thoughts so that I can start studying math on my own next year.

nosmoking

you need a shock maybe, a trip, new friends

going at the university and talking to people

Jasper Loy

6:25 PM

Yes, maybe trying some sex would do me good too.

nosmoking

of course, with an intellectual girl, the best

Jasper Loy

Did you ever have a girlfriend?

nosmoking

@JasperLoy once, not long enough for sex, and a few wanted to, but I was immature and clumsy, so I refused

however now I'm ready

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking OK. I never had one, lol.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy I just kissed her, nothing more actually, and I was clumsy I guess, without even appreciating this moment

Jasper Loy

6:28 PM

@nosmoking OK. Germany is my number one choice for rebirth, and France is number two.

nosmoking

I may like singapour at the opposite :), hope I won't have the island syndrome

Jasper Loy

I am currently targeting to solve all my mental problems by the end of next year.

nosmoking

I've lived 10 years in Martinique (west Indies) actually from 2 to 12

Jasper Loy

I have said that for many years, because every year my mind is just still too confused.

@nosmoking It is extremely clean. Chewing gum is not sold here.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy that's why I said you need a shock, to break this routine

@JasperLoy hehe, I've nothing against people throwing chewing gums, or even spitting, just the smell of smoke disgust me

Jasper Loy

6:31 PM

I only started seeing a doctor for medicine last year. I have not tried any psychotherapy yet.

nosmoking

but that's great, I like it

@JasperLoy can I ask you the medicine name?

mine is Xeplion

Jasper Loy

However, I have been suffering since I was 18. I am almost 33 now.

nosmoking

my old bro always said (for joking) that I was autist, he was maybe right

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking I have taken haloperidol, chlorpromazine, clonezapam, fluvoxamine at different times. Now I am just taking clomipramine.

nosmoking

ok, alwways fixing neurotransmitters

I've a cool book on brain hemispheres, and the asymetry of brain, but I feel like you can't act on it, only powerful medics can

Jasper Loy

6:34 PM

There was once I threw away all my books because I wanted to start afresh. I now only have eight math books.

@nosmoking Have you seriously thought about what you want to do for the rest of your life?

nosmoking

@JasperLoy I think I'll be a developper

like @JohanLarsson

a mechanic of the web

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking I hope to be a mathematician.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy with teaching?

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking Yes, something like that.

nosmoking

you can teach young children, it doesn't require so much diploma, but you'd better pass the higher ones

Jasper Loy

6:38 PM

No, I don't like children. I prefer teaching high school kids or undergrads.

nosmoking

yea, me too

>18

Jasper Loy

I was a teacher for a while before I quit.

nosmoking

yep you told me, did it go well? with your students?

Jasper Loy

I am very sad my life has turned out this way. When I look back at all the things lost, I just cannot understand why this has to happen to me.

@nosmoking No, they were very naughty, and I could not manage their behaviour, that is one of the reasons I quit.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy sometimes I'm angry about my parents :/, they have (I think) some OCDs too, about various things

Jasper Loy

6:40 PM

@nosmoking I blame my father for most of my problems.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy really why?

Jasper Loy

He has done many things to hurt me. He made me go mad.

Without him, I would not go mad. Maybe I would have won the Fields medal by now, lol.

Anyway, I am living with my mum only now.

nosmoking

hmm, that may be reasons of your trauma, your dad and your first job

you need to reconciliate with those one by one, like me, I've smelt different smoke, and accepting smokers if they are > 5 meters of me

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking You can email me if you want. jasperloy at outlook dot com.

nosmoking

k, better than spamming this room :s

Jasper Loy

6:43 PM

Tell me your real name in email too.

I just wanted to make sure I keep in touch with you.

nosmoking

I'll send you my resume

Jasper Loy

We can still talk in this room, and share our secrets via email.

@nosmoking I am leaving this chat now, bye.

nosmoking

I've not many secrets, I even think of telling my employers about my "smoke OCD" so they know it in advance

@JasperLoy bye

who else is schizo here :)) ? (sorry for the above 'spam', it can be deleted if a mod wants)

[schizophrenia.se]

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meh, violent movies

it's about her brain who were made better, I don't believe in it, above all with such violence

skullpatrol

7:44 PM

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nosmoking

7:54 PM

Another brick in the brain

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking What time is it there?

nosmoking

21:55

same in Germany

Jasper Loy

Ah, I am 6 hours ahead of you.

nosmoking

one 1/4th of day

Jasper Loy

I think schizophrenia se is too narrow. Maybe mental illness se?

nosmoking

7:58 PM

yea, just [psychology.se], [medics.se]

Paris-Singapour might be long by plane, though, 8hours maybe (not taking timezone into account)

I've done Paris-Beijing in March 2008

yea, it's 13 h 15 min, so 7 hours of pure flight, 6 hours of timezone

Jasper Loy

Wow, you edited the last 4 lines, looks cool.

nosmoking

I keep editing, that's one of my OCD I guess, my brain decision area isn't so well

Jasper Loy

The chat has fewer people during weekends.

nosmoking

fewer fuhrer fever

for 500€ I can do to Singapour

Jasper Loy

My lecturer told me that I should apply to about 10 places for grad school. That would cost about 1000 USD I think.

I think I will like California. I was thinking of doing something crazy: apply to all 10 University of California's and nothing else.

nosmoking

8:10 PM

Berkeley, Stanford, CalTech

Matt Эллен

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking What movie is that? I don't want to click on it.

@MattЭллен Are you interested in it?

nosmoking

@JasperLoy A movie my parents just went to look, I didn't because I'm sckeptic on the quality, Luc Besson is the maker, he made the 5th element, Leon the professionnal, etc.., but always violent films, with guns

@JasperLoy nah, it's for me

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy yes, but I thought it would be a place you could ask about schizophrenia

nosmoking

I was looking at a SE place for mental stuff

Matt Эллен

8:16 PM

> If you have questions about ...

> Cognitive science
> Psychology (e.g., cognitive, social, developmental, biological, applied, clinical, organizational, etc.)
> Psychiatry
> Neuroscience and neurobiology

sounds like a good fit

Jasper Loy

Yes, indeed. Maybe I should join too, lol.

nosmoking

yes

Jasper Loy

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Q: Grammar of 'Meaning' and as in 'meaning of life

There is something about the term 'meaning' that is eluding me (and seems to have eluded many of humanities 'best' minds) as in 'what is the meaning of life'. The 'question' seems to lack a necessary object viz: To us, you, god, life etc and it seems to relate to the term 'meaning in some charac...

meaning

This should be nuked.

We have been mistaken for Philosophy, lol.

Matt Эллен

nuked

nosmoking

I've read a book on the right and left brain, and how functions are really separated, and now that I think about it, 4 years ago, I started holding my mouse with left hand (right-handed) for balancing efforts, and writing a bit with my left hand, it coincides with when I started to be isolated and schizophrenic. There may be an effect, this is a good fit to ask it in [CognitiveSciences.se]

Jasper Loy

8:24 PM

Ah, I use my left hand to write all the time. But I write almost nothing these days.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy and you're right-handed too?

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking No, I mean I am left handed.

nosmoking

oh ok, that's normal so, writing is a good activity also, I should do it more than typing

Jasper Loy

I mostly do typing these days, on the computer.

I wonder what will happen if the world changes to another keyboard, one that has A,B,C in alphabetical order.

Andrew Leach

All of us typists will be stuffed.

Or we typists.

Anyway, no good will come of it.

skullpatrol

8:32 PM

it would be impractical

Andrew Leach

I've used something with an on-screen keyboard like that, but I can't remember what it was.

skullpatrol

me too

Jasper Loy

I think all countries should become one big country with the same set of laws and the same language.

Andrew Leach

I didn't like it. Nothing was where it should be.

nosmoking

Does typing modify our brain, I mean when we trained it for writing by hand before

Andrew Leach

8:34 PM

@JasperLoy Are you a fan of Star Trek?

Jasper Loy

@AndrewLeach Nope, but I know John Lennon has the same idea.

nosmoking

The problem is both hand type, so both brain hemisphere are used, a problem since for writing only one is needed

Andrew Leach

@JasperLoy Er, sorry to break bad news, but I think that's had the same idea.

Jasper Loy

@AndrewLeach Yes, I noticed the typo, but wanted to give him eternal life.

Andrew Leach

Mm. Right.

Jasper Loy

8:37 PM

@nosmoking I use my right hand for table tennis, but I am not good at it.

Andrew Leach

Apparently Nosmo King was English. I didn't know that.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy I can use both, did you receive my email?

@AndrewLeach really?

Jasper Loy

I should put up a pic of myself, but I am too fat now, so I will wait.

Andrew Leach

H. Vernon Watson

H. Vernon Watson (1886–1952), better known as his character Nosmo King, was a popular English variety artist. He was touring the music halls before World War I, but he remained relatively obscure until the 1920s, when he shot to fame as Nosmo King. == Early years == Coming from a rural background near Peterborough, Watson showed a leaning towards things theatrical and it was evident that he had a rare talent for mimicry. In 1911, he turned professional, using his real name, doing impressions of the leading comedians of the day. Then, when Frank Tinney, the American black-faced comedian, came to...

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking I think I replied to it.

nosmoking

8:39 PM

@JasperLoy what's your weight? I've gained 5 kg recently due to medics

@AndrewLeach excellent

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking I went from 60kg to 70kg the past year.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy exactly like me

but I'm 1m83

from 54kg to 70kg

Jasper Loy

I am only 1.65m, so I am overweight.

nosmoking

nah, it's fine

Andrew Leach

I've managed to lose two stone since October.

nosmoking

8:41 PM

70/(1.65*1.65) = 25.71

between 18 and 25 it's "normal", after it's overweight

after 30 it's obese I think

Jasper Loy

Americans are very fat.

Andrew Leach

BMI gets complicated doing everything in Imperial measurements.

nosmoking

@AndrewLeach what is it in a International unit?

ahhh brits

Andrew Leach

I've lost 29lbs = 13kg

Mitch

@AndrewLeach Wow. Isn't there somewhere you could pick up new ones?

Matt Эллен

8:44 PM

stones are for life, not just for rolling

Andrew Leach

I'm sure I could find a supermarket. But actually I'm not sorry to have mislaid them.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy Jasper Loy is your real name?

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking Yes, it is.

Andrew Leach

@nosmoking Is your real name H. Vernon Watson?

nosmoking

@JasperLoy I'm careful, because the chat transcript is graved in the rock, and served to google

@AndrewLeach :)) the king of Nosmo

Mitch

8:46 PM

What? I thought it was Jason Bourne.

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking Ah, yes, but it's OK since I did not kill anyone.

Mitch

At least not in self-defense.

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking I thought you had no secrets.

Andrew Leach

@MattЭллен Bother. I've lost a couple.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy at least my name, maybe

Jasper Loy

8:48 PM

@nosmoking OK. There are a few people with my name in the world.

nosmoking

@JasperLoy and not many with mine, in google I'm alone with this name

Jasper Loy

@nosmoking OK. It's fine as long as you did not kill anyone.

Andrew Leach

@nosmoking Which name? Nosmoking, or your real name?

nosmoking

@AndrewLeach real name

@JasperLoy yes, but well, I wouldn't care so much to tell it anyway, I just don't want to have it associated ith all the shit I'm saying

by Google

Andrew Leach

Your first name is fairly easy to find.

Jasper Loy

8:52 PM

I am very sad. I think about all the things I have lost. If only I did not go mad.

nosmoking

yep, it's on English Language & Usage

Andrew Leach

Or at least, what I guess is your first name. It seems quite reasonably a first name.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: The coolness that water can bring When you’re sweltering and need cooling Is such a relief …

posted on August 09, 2014 by sgdi

The coolness that water can bring When you’re sweltering and need cooling Is such a relief It beggars belief It really is quite the best thing

nosmoking

@JasperLoy I'm like you thinking about past and future, but that's the wrong way to do it

Andrew Leach

@StackExchange Second line :-(

nosmoking

8:54 PM

The coolness that water can bring
When you’re sweltering and need cooling
Is such a relief
It beggars belief
It really is quite the best thing

Is the 4th line worrect?

Jasper Loy

Yes.

nosmoking

beggar is a noun I think

Jasper Loy

Oh, I am not sure if it can be a verb too.

nosmoking

it seems so

Jasper Loy

oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/beggar

nosmoking

8:57 PM

Reduce (someone) to poverty:
why should I beggar myself for you?

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach We'll have to form the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Stones

Andrew Leach

@MattЭллен No, no: I want to lose them.

Matt Эллен

@nosmoking read further down for the idiom

Andrew Leach

It's really only used in beggars belief.

Matt Эллен

yes

nosmoking

9:00 PM

> Those of the left claimed that naive women were seduced into becoming avaricious consumers, beggaring their families.

> Now if it could be shown that beggaring rich people inevitably enriches poor people there might be something to say for a crusade against inequality.

Andrew Leach

Yes, it does mean make a beggar of, but beggar belief is a fixed idiom.

nosmoking

@AndrewLeach ok

Andrew Leach

It's related.

Belief is in severe lack.

nosmoking

it ruins belief

Andrew Leach

Hm. There is a severe lack of belief.

nosmoking

9:03 PM

and self-belief too

Matt Эллен

further down on that very same page

> Phrases

> beggar belief (or description)
> Be too extraordinary to be believed or described: a disregard for common sense which beggars belief

nosmoking

oh right, I was too lazy to look lower

Andrew Leach

Tch. What's the point...?!

nosmoking

> It beggars belief that a group of local councillors can really believe there is any merit in this option.

Andrew Leach

Yes. Although using belief/believe like that is infelicitous.

nosmoking

9:05 PM

> Although the inadequate measures to deal with the problem beggar belief, what is even more incredible is the mentality of a farmer or a householder who will dispose of their rubbish by dumping it into the nearest river.

As an ecologist, I like it

Andrew Leach

I think I'd change it rather more radically. "...can find any merit in this option"

nosmoking

even better

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