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13:00
I don't know anything about wild turkeys, but it looks like a largish brood. Seven chicks? (Or what does one call a baby turkey?)
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@Robusto is it where you live?
They must eat a powerful lot of bugs and worms and such.
@cc Back deck.
Just after a heavy rain.
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they (or hens) can eat hornet I think too, some people use them to protect honey bees
We have been known to have wasps. Yellowjackets, mainly. The turkeys are welcome to them.
You ever made a fake nest from a brown paper bag to deter them?
13:07
To deter wasps?
> baby turkeys are called poults and a group of turkeys is called a flock.
@Robusto Yes.
It's um, supposed to work.
No. Never made a fake nest to deter anything.
You survive the blowy rain okay?
Didn't blow much. It was just a steady straight-down rain all night. Not really excessive. No boomers.
13:09
I've been through hurricanes, and this wasn't one.
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@Robusto between harvard and MIT
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Local high school?
@Robusto Middle. The show was at the very nearby country club.
@cc What makes you think that?
13:11
I thought it was non-terrible for having been taken with my phone.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Close enough. Looks like the fence around a tennis court.
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@Robusto or close to them at least
@cc Closer than the moon. Or Moscow (Russia or Idaho, take your pick).
13:13
@cc You live near there?
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not at all
12 mins ago, by Robusto
@cc Back deck.
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now I realise "back deck" is just your home, I'm so bad with vocabulary
@cc Well, I meant my back deck. Note that I take capitalization seriously.
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it would have been Back Deck else, right
13:15
That is the general strategy with proper nouns vs. common nouns.
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but what if it were in one word :p
Rule of thumb: Outside of the occasional typo, I am known to type what I mean.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 "The occasional typo" includes punctuation.
:)
I feel so broke up / I wanna go home
13:20
I think you'll agree that my batting average wasn't bad in that regard. Even if you found 10 or 20, that's 10 or 20 out of maybe 40,000.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 so hoist up the john b's sails
Truth.
@Robusto see how the mainsail sets
I wanna go home
Wait, I am home.
Me too.
I'm testing my chair alarm. I have to sit for five more minutes.
Gonna be a beautiful day today. A bit windy, but sunny and pleasant with low humidity.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You have an alarm that tells you to get up off your dead butt?
@Robusto Almost. I'm workin' on it.
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13:22
hoist the mainsail then hook it
@cc Where do you live?
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@Robusto near Nice (south France)
I heard Nice was only So-So.
joke
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!!urban so-so
13:24
@cc so so Its the middle of good and bad, yes and no, hot and cold.
[x] funny joke
Yesssss checkbox
Pun on the French city name Nice and the English adjective nice.
!!define nice
@Robusto nice (obsolete) Silly, ignorant; foolish. [14th-17th c.]
Aww, come on Jarvis. Why give an obsolete meaning as your first shot out of the box?
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13:26
I'd be happy to leave it also, high proportion of smokers
nice adj 1. Pleasing and agreeable in nature: had a nice time. 2. Having a pleasant or attractive appearance: a nice dress; a nice face.
@cc That's pretty much all over France.
Especially Paris.
Do they still permit smoking in movie theaters there? That is the worst.
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@Robusto yep I searched, it's quite uniform between 28% and 38%, Paris is not so much smoking, but it has a dense population
A woman sitting next to me burned my arm with her cigarette accidentally—twice. She was less concerned about the matter than I was.
I had no cigarette to fight back with, either.
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@Robusto No more inside, since a law a decade ago, but people are accumulating jut at entried, and covering streets with cig fags
I guess she thought I was defenseless. Easy prey.
13:31
or foreplay?
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@Robusto no in that case, an extinguisher, or a high pressure water, or whatever weapon is permitted in my sense, but I'm more concerned about the secondhandsmoke than the skin burning (that heals easily)
@cc For arm I think you would be better off substituting weapon.
Oh, you just did.
Good choice.
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a french "faux-ami" armes<->weapons
oui, "false friend" en anglais.
@cc That’s terrible! Here it’s like 14%, which is still troubling.
13:34
@cc gendarmes <-> men at arms
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and arm<->bras
and bra<->soutien-gorge
and gorge<->throat
and gorget <-> helmet
Speaking of gendarmes, the ones I saw didn't look like a friendly lot. Standing on corners with automatic weapons, looking ready to clear the streets by any means necessary.
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@Robusto yep french have gendarmes and policemen, never really knew their difference, it's seems useless
*it, anyway I wish I leave this country
@cc The police are not military; the gendarmes are.
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@tchrist yes indeed, but their roles are a bit confusing
13:39
It’s like the difference between policía and guardia civil, or between cops and national guard.
Hello.
@JohanLarsson Whaaat why will you be monitoring me?
hejhejhej
And as the police become more militarized, it becomes even more confusing.
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yes like customs at borders (closer to gendarmes)
@Cerberus to expose you, I know you will watch the game :)
13:40
We only have the riot police who are somewhat militaristic in appearance.
@JohanLarsson What game?
@Cerberus You bear monitoring.
I'm not bear monitoring.
We only have cats here.
you are the bear
I am the dog.
> I am the walrus.
> Shut the fuck up, Donny.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Interesting idea. I wonder if you could make one that goes in the back pocket of your jeans, so it would remind you everywhere to get up and move around. And maybe it could just buzz your phone or something, so that the alarm would be discreet in public places.
13:46
sounds like an app right?
It could play this
I can keep going . . .
@Robusto ah nice, slick
@Robusto but can you ~beat~ the JB link?
13:59
was that a serious attempt?
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Another refinement: It goes off once at 20 minutes, but gets more insistent the longer you ignore it.
@JohanLarsson You don't care for Otis Redding? Either that, or you over-value the King of Soul.
Otis is good no question about it, but for a get up and move song?
OK, how about this?
Also JB > Otis imo, chances are JB is THE best.
@Robusto what do you think about this
Erm, no. I foreseeable them to be harmed. I don't think the writer was confusing his sentence with that one. Secondly, the fact that you had to consult your rules to decide if the sentence was wrong shows that it isn't! Native speakers doesn't has to consult their rules to decision whether a sentence is ungrammatically, they knows it, because it's either hurt thems natural ear, or it don't. Completely not the case with the sentences discussed . — Araucaria 2 hours ago
I presume this is a joke?
14:02
Hmm, interesting research. I can just see some white kid getting a doctorate in soul.
@Robusto Tina has nice raw energy, love how she can scream and still sound good.
@Cerberus Sure.
@JohanLarsson If James Brown is the King of Soul, she is the Queen of Whatever He's King Of.
@Robusto I'm surprised every time you mention color.
@Cerberus Oh for heaven's sake. Dealt with. Aru should just write an answer.
14:04
@JohanLarsson I'm surprised you're surprised. What do you mean exactly?
@AndrewLeach What? Dealt with?
Have a look now.
You have removed it? Why?
It was not constructive.
Why not?
14:07
That’s a pretty way to put it. It seemed on the verge of being offensive.
@Robusto the white kid part, I just never think about color like that I think
@AndrewLeach It wasn't much less constructive than the average comment on ELU...
@tchrist Offensive? To whom?
@ttchrist The law texts observation is being misunderstood here. This use is very common all over the place, not just in law texts. Also, look, we know when people make grammatical mistake doesn't we? It hurts our doesn't it? OP's sentence doesn't do this - because it's, erm, correct... :) — Araucaria 3 hours ago
@Cerberus Pineapples.
Whose doesn’t is it hurting again?
I really hate, hate this "offensive" business. The comment was directed at me; if I am not offended, then who would be?
She needs to stop pea-shooting from the peanut gallery and start generating answers, not pot-shot comments.
14:08
@JohanLarsson It's just a joke. I'm reacting to the "For Research Only" super on the video, which is funny all by itself. The idea that you one would be doing "research" instead of dancing is just funny.
@Cerberus I’m sorry that you’re offended.
@AndrewLeach I would prefer for that comment to be restored. I don't think it warranted deletion.
@Robusto :) I'm not speaking from some ivory tower btw
@Cerberus I am offended on your behalf.
I am offended that you are.
14:09
And I am offended on his other behalf.
@JohanLarsson I didn't mean you personally. See my edit.
And two behalves make a hole.
My date is in France. The French are always offended because they suspect your "hi" might mock their country.
@Cerberus OK. There may be flags. I would certainly flag it as non-constructive.
@tchrist *a bewhole. FTFY
14:10
@AndrewLeach That's all right. Thanks!
hoists the Jolly Roger
@Robusto np either way, just wanted to express how surprised I felt :)
@tchrist Yay!
@Robusto Are you saying he isn’t behalving properly?
@JohanLarsson In America, humor often plays off the black/white stereotypes. In this case, it's the bookish white kid's "research" project vs. the raw, expressive power of black music. Ain't no thang.
@tchrist I couldn't behelp myself.
14:12
@Robusto nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
That's a lot of n's.
good thing they were not vowels
oooooooooo
you see?
@Robusto I had to hide the offensive ones behind them.
14:14
@Robusto child, things are gonna get easier
ooooooo, child, things'll get brighter
Every time I allow HP to install printer software I regret it. This time it's telling me that my connection to the scanner has dropped. Like I give a fuck. I can't remember the last time I had to scan something. Probably for a job.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I'm more of a sixpac kinda guy.
@JohanLarsson OK, no research this time:
@Araucaria: My sentence with "I" was only one example of the different constructions that might interfere with one's intuition. Of course not I foreseeable. It is foreseeable for them to be harmed is possible, however. There are many possibilities, many of which have the accusative/objective case. This confusion is generally enough to flip the relative pronoun in complex sentences. I disagree with your suggestion that proper style is whatever a certain number of native speakers would write (or there wouldn't be style guides for native speakers). — Cerberus 58 secs ago
Sometimes I just wanna grab up all her comments and put them in a CW answer for people to vote on. :)
@Robusto first half if is great, the Ike part does not have the same energy
She bends over backwards here so far that it strains credibility, like Pullam with between you and I.
14:21
@JohanLarsson Well, let me stipulate that I never include those things for the Ike part.
stipulate even :)
Haha.
!!define stipulate
@Robusto Stipulating never works, because the deed has already been done.
@JohanLarsson stipulate To require (something) as a condition of a contract or agreement.
14:21
@tchrist You mean Pullum? What does he say?
You must stipuearly for it to have any effect.
> they all must have a firm enough grasp on grammatical matters of this class as not to routinely fumble with it,
@Cerberus He says that there’s no reason that two pronouns joined with and need to follow the same case as just one of them separately.
Which is horse hockey.
Ah, yes, well, as usually, Pullum has some vision of style that is based more on colloquial speech by the average person, who is of course not very much interested in issues stylistic.
@tchrist So why that as of yours? Do you stand by it? I would have expected either enough...not to or enough...so as not to.
@Cerberus It could survive the insertion of so.
14:26
Indeed.
Is it already the dog days of summer that the media feel they need to post stories like Michigan farm to host 41st pit-spitting contest?
Now, if they’d invited Brad to be the designated target, that might be newsworthy, or at least chortleworthy.
@tchrist Are you kidding? That's a local-paper bonanza. The cornerstone of every rural news outlet's summer menu. After that, there's not much until the giant pumpkin contest in October.
Ohh the giant pumpkin contest! Or the giant-pumpkin contest?
It is both at the same time. That's why I didn't hyphenate it. You can't narrow such an event down.
GREAT PUMPKIN!!!
When the Great Pumpkin brings candy to all the good little boys and germs.
Is this an offtopic resource request or an offtopic list request? — tchrist 2 mins ago
:)
14:37
@JohanLarsson Sounds like disco -> rap to me. Lacks but an accordion to turn into French pop. Not my thing, sorry.
ok it is 50% of K&D, I like it, an old goodie.
15:37
This is real.
Or so says the Internet.
is he playing with his fingers?
Yes.
you want one?
Red is left, blue is right, yellow is down, orange is rotate.
Nah.
As someone else said, the buttons should be higher.
Sometimes straight humour is really funny.
or lower
nipple or groin imo
15:40
Then it would have to be a dress or a cat suit or something...
@Cerberus when?
Well, just there.
I missed it
what is homo-humor like btw?
just the same all the time? (pun)
Hah.
Probably!
Maybe less about boobs.
no no no, always more boobs
15:50
@Reg I predict arg 3 bel 2, think it will be a good game
@MickLH Perhaps you need additional education about homosexuality...
> Sorry! We can't find that track.

Did you try to access a private track, but were not logged in?
Maybe the track has been removed.
16:06
fuckit
deleting my soundcloud account any minute anyways, their site has consistently gone downhill for a long time, and they just announced their database is open to Universal Music Group to manipulate whatever
Also when their horrible software finally synchronizes, lots of people still have problems just using their MP3 player (myself included)
I can (and have) written better music streaming websites in 8 hour timespans, if they can't figure out how to encode an MP3 and host it on the cloud they need to get the hell out of the game
</rant>
16:30
Ugh.
That sounds annoying.
17:03
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Q: In “can hear singing”, is “singing” a verb or a gerund?

ShahIn this sentence is singing a verb or a gerund? Look at the children whom you can hear singing.

I’m pretty sure that’s the wrong question.
Well, unless they are looking for a boolean response.
Since the answer is obviously “yes”.
It becomes more interesting when you contrast singing children with children singing though.
> I don’t like to hear monarchist children singing that offensive anti-democratic doggerel on Independence Day of all days.
@tchrist Why did you not mark your related question as a duplicate? Does it not provide the answer to the question?
17:47
Or have you run out of close votes again?
No, I went to the shower.
And while I was getting wet, it occurred to me I should have marked it as a duplicate.
Now so marked.
And I have 11 close votes remaining.
@Andrew Didn’t we get this like twice last week?
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Q: Is this supposed to be past tense or present tense?

hale The report said that years ago city planners had built a facility that turns salt water into fresh water, but financial woes made that impossible. In this sentence should turned be used instead of turns?

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Q: "He didn't know where New Jersey was"

sombeI know the past tense carries the past tense in every dependent clause, but referring specifically to places or to things that are eternal, like the Earth, seems a bit weird and therefore we sometimes (I believe incorrectly) say He didn't know that New Jersey was actually in the East Coast. ...

Although unfortunately that answer doesn’t exactly address this case.
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Q: Using past tense when referencing a still-true fact

ArrowfarIn the sentence: "I didn't know she had a son," Can I say "I didn't know she has a son" instead, because he is a teenager now? Or are both correct?

10 close votes left.
9 close votes left.
18:05
@tchrist Hmm. Yes, that the question is using the present tense for something that would still be the case if it had happened at all. But it didn't happen, so the tense should match, turned. It's not the same as Arrowfar's question on using the past tense for something which is still true.
I have no idea how to find a duplicate for that. There must be one by now.
People keep closing them to the Jersey case.
> He didn’t know that the earth goes around the sun.
That sounds fine, because it is still true and has not stopped being true.
> He thought that the earth was flat.
...is fine, because it isn't and never was flat.
You couldn't say "he thought ... is" if what he thought has always been wrong.
I'm not convinced that the NJ question covers that very well.
@AndrewLeach I agree.
My knowledge of realis and irrealis moods (which I'm sure are relevant here) is not up to providing an answer which can be a canonical reference for the future.
18:21
Hm. I haven’t thought about it much, but I’m not completely sure that applies, in that the only place we see an explicitly marked unreal mode is with hypothetical were.
I'd like to say "Quite" -- this instance shouldn't have an odd form of verb. But I don't know that describing something which has never been true is indicative.
Like from Romeo and Juliet:
> That birds would sing and think it were not night.
> I don’t think he is ready. I didn’t think he was ready.
We don’t use a special mood there the way some languages do.
Hm. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, isn't it?!
Anyway, I think the question title is better now.
But “He didn’t think the earth goes around the sun” sounds ok to my ear. So does the other version, though — alas.
Semantic satiation.
Hello.
18:27
It seems a bit of an affectation to say I didn't think it were possible, but I hate my mother...
What is the problem?
Speak of the hair of the dog that bit you.
We’re looking for a good answer that explains why you don’t always have to backshift for conditions that are still true.
Or why you do for conditions that have never been true.
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Q: What tense to use when reporting something which has never been true or never happened?

hale The report said that years ago city planners had planned to build a facility that turns salt water into fresh water, but financial woes made that impossible. In this sentence should turned be used instead of turns?

> He didn’t think the sun rises every day. He didn’t think the dam was ever sound.
He didn't think the sun rose every day √
He didn't think the dam is sound. x
18:33
There seem to be instances of hypothetical were out there for some of these, but I can’t tell whether this is some Shakespearean holdout or contamination from languages with a past subjunctive form.
Well, what kind of answer would you expect?
Well, the answer to the new question about something which has never been true is definitely "past tense", but I couldn't elucidate why that's so (which is what I'd expect in a good answer).
On the one hand, things that are true always are in the present tense by default. On the other hand, the harmony of tenses exerts pressure on subordinate clauses to "catch" the past tense from the main clause. The result is that both tenses are possible in most cases.
> She told me roses aren’t red nor violets blue / That if I wanted her hand / I must always be true.
18:39
What about it?
You can see the optional past–present tense there, as expected.
Yes, but pineapples aren’t taught of optionality, only right and wrong single-valued answers.
@AndrewLeach In the example, the relative clause describes a general property of a certain type of facility; the type and its properties are timeless facts.
@tchrist I don't know why you would say that. My answer of several years ago tells visitors it is optional.
Right. So either is possible.
I seem to recall you disparaging that possibility.
Yes, in most cases.
@tchrist My? No.
18:42
No, you.
No, not my.
The dominant tendency is to harmonize, I believe, but that does not invalidate the other option.
The direct object of recall is the entire nonfinite clause you disparaging that possibility: the direct object of that clause is that possibility and the subject of that clause is you.
We just went over this.
No, the direct object of hear in I hear (the) children singing is the gerund clause (the) children singing. Try a cleft on it: (The )Children singing is what I hear; or passivize it: Children singing (sweetly) was heard by everyone in the room. — John Lawler 37 mins ago
A clause is finite by definition.
Um, no.
I will not consider Lawler or Pullum's controversial corruption of long-established linguistic terminology.
18:46
He wanted me to do something else.
The object of wanted is the infinitive clause me to do something else.
A gerund is normally modified by a possessive pronoun, not by a personal pronoun, in conventional style.
The subject of to do is me, the object is something else.
I disagree.
I’m sorry that you are wrong.
The object is me, and the infinitive is an adverbial complement of purpose.
18:48
That doesn’t stand up to a constituency parse.
Just as in she told me to leave the room.
It does.
Makes no sense.
There can be no such thing as a single constituent that is personal pronoun + infinitive.
Nor personal pronoun + gerund. Personal pronoun + participle is of course possible, but not conventionally used in the context mentioned.
> The central word of a non-finite clause is usually a non-finite verb (as opposed to a finite verb). There are various types of non-finite clauses that can be acknowledged based in part on the type of non-finite verb at hand. Gerunds are widely acknowledged to constitute non-finite clauses, and some modern grammars also judge many to-infinitives to be the structural locus of non-finite clauses.
Mine is a personal pronoun; my is a possessive determiner. Which do you mean?
So of course there are such things as non-finite clauses. I don’t know why you thought there weren’t.
Only as independent clauses must clauses be finite.
@tchrist What you mean is a verb rather than a clause. What is the difference between a verb and a clause to you?
I assure you, a clause is traditionally finite by definition. Otherwise the word becomes meaningless.

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