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@Robusto I hate how Martin gets everything wrong. Everybody knows that Drogo’s son wasn’t named Rhaego but rather Frodo.
16:23
Secret squirrel spy reports from beyond the snoopy veil:
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Q: Analytics graphs on mod tools

Rory AlsopWhen reviewing moderator analytics graphs I have noticed that some of the axes don't return expected data. The most important one is the total page views - which seems to cut off months ago. So I can get post data up to yesterday, but total views and visits, as you can see from two anonymised ex...

Oyez! Oyez! Oyez! Hear ye, hear ye!
I think he a word or three out, but still.
@RegDwigнt is gonna freak. :)
sama means lord or something, I think
It is higher in prestige than -san, that is so.
or maybe how you'd address a knight
16:36
The Japanese language uses a broad array of honorific suffixes for addressing or referring to people, for example -san, as in Aman-san. These honorifics are often gender-neutral, but some imply a more feminine context (such as "-chan") while others imply a more masculine one (such as "-kun"). These honorifics are used as suffixes that attach to the end of people's names, and can be applied to either the first or last name depending on which is given. In situations where both the first and last names are spoken, the suffix is attached to whichever comes last in the word order. While the...
> Sama (様 【さま】[sama]?) is a markèdly more respectful version of san. It is used mainly to refer to people much higher in rank than oneself, toward one’s guests or customers (such as a sports venue announcer addressing members of the audience), and sometimes toward people one greatly admires and can be used for either gender.
Am I the only one who dislikes Socratic? To me, that implies that you already know the answer but are asking leading questions so that your students can figure it out for themselves.
@MattЭллен I’m no expert on either set of insular honorifics, but I do agree that ‑sama seems closer to Lord Andrew, Baron Lloyd-Webber than it is to the chivalrous Sir Elton or the common Mr Blaire.
@terdon I agree that that is what it implies, but I disagree that it is wholly inappropriate. It falutes most highly on prestigiousness. Have you an alternate name to propose in its stead?
@tchrist Nope. I'd started writing an answer to that post to complain but since I couldn't come up with anything better, I shut my trap.
Clever monkey.
Ape!
16:48
Bee!
Or Italian.
I pissed a prof off by telling him that a point in time cannot have any size.
@skullpatrol If a point in time determines an instant and two points in time determine a time line, then how do you get to Times Square?
:D
!!wiki time square
Times Square is a major commercial intersection and a neighborhood in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, at the junction of Broadway (now converted into a pedestrian plaza) and Seventh Avenue and stretching from West 42nd to West 47th Streets. Times Square – iconified as "The Crossroads of the World", "The Center of the Universe", and the "The Great White Way" – is the brightly illuminated hub of the Broadway Theater District, one of the world's busiest pedestrian intersections, and a major center of the world's [[entertainment ind
@tchrist Burn it!!
@tchrist It's simple. You take the point and do it times square.
So you get point times square.
17:01
@Cerberus I added some new lorem-ipsum burning to my answer over yonder.
> The example also uses the nonsense Lorem ipsum text — which, being not Latin but fake-Latin “garblese”, can seriously annoy scholars, since it has “words altered, added, and removed such that it is nonsensical, improper Latin.”
I had already +1d you.
People should once and for all get over that crap.
@tchrist aye
@MattЭллен See, even common can be pejorative. :)
Oh, that I already new :D This is the UK. The class divide is alive and well
Like the House of Commons...
sniffs
17:07
lol
Imagine the horror of sitting next to those people!
I mean, really. Some of them didn't even go to Eton!
You don't say!
          GERTRUDE
Good Hamlet, cast thy nighted color off,
And let thine eye look like a friend on Denmark.
Do not forever with thy vailèd lids
Seek for thy noble father in the dust.
Thou know’st ’tis common. All that lives must die,
Passing through nature to eternity.

	HAMLET
Ay, madam, it is common.
Next thing you're going to tell me they have titles lower than Duke...
@matt is Eton still as dominant as always?
@Cerberus Yes. There are knights of the realm. Good chaps, though
@skullpatrol Yes
I'm sure, but...
No, of course
@MattЭллен Which is precisely why we’ll have a Sir Hugh before we’ll have a Sir Stephen, despite the latter’s charitable endeavours. Well, unless Chuck gets there first.
17:12
@tchrist I thought Stephen went to private school. Though I can't recall which...
@Cerberus We also have Baronets
@MattЭллен Oh he did, he did: but was expelled from several. :)
@tchrist indeed :D But getting in is the hard part
@MattЭллен What a travesty! As if the rank of Baron weren't low enough!
> Fry briefly attended Cawston Primary School in Cawston, Norfolk,[16] before going on to Stouts Hill Preparatory School in Uley, Gloucestershire, at the age of seven, and then to Uppingham School, Rutland, where he joined Fircroft house, and was described as a "near-asthmatic genius".[17] He was expelled from Uppingham when he was 15 and subsequently from the Paston School.

At 17, after leaving Norfolk College of Arts and Technology, Fry absconded with a credit card stolen from a family friend.[
Well, I guess they're not too high prestige then.
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> “What! Hugh bloody Laurie made a peer of the realm before me? Preposterous! I won’t stand for it!” “I hardly think they’ll let you, sir.”
!!define asthmatic
@skullpatrol asthmatic Having the characteristics of asthma, as in an "asthmatic cough"
A coughing genius?
No, a genial chap with a bit of a wheeze.
17:19
"near-asthmatic genius"
@skullpatrol A sickly polymath.
acyclic polypaths
Sooo.
How are we all today?
@Cerberus Sometimes it's prudent to appease certain upstarts
Meh.
So decadent!
17:23
O ye new moderators, would you be apprised of a hole without a bottom? It is questions whose titles do not describe themselves. These number, if not uncountably infinite, nonetheless beyond my digital reach: I’ve run out of fingers.
I imagine it would be difficult to create a query to catch them all
The perfect is the enemy of the good enough.
Use your toes.
@tchrist true
@terdon Clever monkey.
17:24
@Cerberus pretty good. how are you all
@tchrist Ape dammit!
The planet thereof.
@MattЭллен Great! I, too, am fairly good.
@terdon Chaire phile!
@tchrist Ugh, yes.
17:26
I've been re-reading Pratchett. I get twitchy about monkeys :)
Oook ook ook
Oh and I've started on Nightside the long sun. I have to say thank you @tchrist!
Pratchett is cool.
That he is.
17:28
@terdon Ah, glad you like it. @Cerb and @medica aren’t that far yet.
@terdon And well you should!
I once started on myself.
@MattЭллен No flirting in chat.
How can speed at a point in time make sense when a point in time doesn't really make sense?
@tchrist And I have the books in my phone's library (adj.) application. I'll read them!
17:30
@Cerberus I didn't say.
@Mitch Ook ook
@MattЭллен blushes
@Mitch I believe sir, that he was talking to me.
17:30
@Mitch Why not?
@tchrist Haha, I like the inane marketing speak. That is actually how companies speak.
And, sadly, some governments, too.
> (8) Due to the spliced pigeon DNA & natural simian tendencies, there is a heightened propensity for "aero-guano". This, though, led to the spinoff product, "Welshguard". (Lesser known than its Scottish rival, but just as effective. And not to be confused with "Welsh-Guard", a service we provide where we send two large Welsh guards to someone's home to keep them from reneging on a promise.)
@Cerberus It is. Like, all of them.
@terdon blushes out of shame this time
!!wiki cycloid
A cycloid is the curve traced by a point on the rim of a circular wheel as the wheel rolls along a straight line. It is an example of a roulette, a curve generated by a curve rolling on another curve. The inverted cycloid (a cycloid rotated through 180°) is the solution to the brachistochrone problem (i.e., it is the curve of fastest descent under gravity) and the related tautochrone problem (i.e., the period of an object in descent without friction inside this curve does not depend on the object's starting position). History The cycloid has been called "The Helen of Geometers" as i...
@tchrist Advertising and PR seem like one big pseudo-scientific conspiracy.
Some people may actually believe it works.
I mean, it is like Newspeak, which also wouldn't work, but at least that's fiction.
17:33
@Cerberus Silence is golden.
@Cerberus This public service announcement brought to you by the firm of Lies, Damnlies, and Bullshitters Unlimited.
Not necessarily believing that it works, but being too afraid to believe that it doesn't
Speech is a load of lead in your pockets dragging you to the bottom of the river.
@Mitch No doubt gilded, but poo on the inside.
@Cerberus polished
See how easy it is?
17:35
Gilded?
@tchrist Yeah, and, while most of the time it's not actual lies, it is always about misleading people. @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 would not agree with this.
!!define gilded
@MattЭллен gilded simple past tense and past participle of
@Mitch You don't need to polish gold.
I think guilded means being part of a guild or similar
17:36
@MattЭллен No he meant it was part of a trade union.
@MattЭллен Err yes.
@Mitch Speed is a load of leaches in your britches dragging you to the bottom of sewer, and thence straight out the estuary to the frozen sea. [sic]
!!define gilder
@MattЭллен gilder One who gilds; one whose occupation is to overlay with gold.
17:36
@Cerberus This is marketing.
I thought Gilder was a currency
Yeah?
But gold doesn't oxydise...
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bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_pre_2011/… is a Pavlovian reflex a learned reflex or a habbit?
@tchrist I'd be running too.
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the distinction, I think, is that a reflex is controlled by the nervous system
17:37
if a reflex is nervous, it's not learned
@Cerberus The intent to deceive is sufficient to convict, surely quoth Dante.
Howdy.
Man, this sandwich is tasty.
Hobbitry?
@tchrist If only!
@Cerberus tell that to marketing. You need to polish the gold just in case. They'll provide a service. Or better, advice on how to pay someone to help you find a service.
17:38
@Mitch Yay!
Can you point me to such a person? What's your commission?
@MattЭллен nope, you can learn a reflex.
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@MattЭллен So conditioned reflexes (= learned reflexes) are intrinsically very different from normal reflexes?
@Mitch right, but then it's not nervous
@Mitch He said nervous.
A conditioned response.
17:39
@cc yes.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 no bragging about food in chat... wait, no, that is totally allowed!
breathing and blinking are nervous reflexes AFAIK
Catching a ball is a learned reflex
@MattЭллен a learned reflex can surely be one borne out of anxiety. That's what OCD is all about.
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nervous = motor neurons, learned = 'central' neurons or something like that
@Mitch are addiction also related?
Get in a crash crash turning left. Ever afterwards, you have a nervous tic when turning left.
17:41
@cc motor neurons can be conditioned. It's the things that are primarily spinal and subcortical that are reflexes I think (it's been a while)
@cc could be related.
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imo, for example a smoker is both victim of addiction and conditional reflexes, (not an OCD but close, imo)
@Cerberus What don't I agree with?
@KitFox would know better the difference between the types of reflexes than I do
@MattЭллен some reflexes are built in neuronal hardwirings, like the kick reflex from your knee.
but some are behavioral.
17:42
@Mitch right, but that's not a cerebral cortex level thing
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That what makes advertising and corporate speak different is that they are all about misleading people.
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@Mitch like pupil reflex, and breathing one, bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/add_ocr_pre_2011/…
!!youtube reflex Duran Duran
17:46
@Cerberus Ah. Yes, Of course I have to disagree with that, since such an absolute statement cannot be true.
@tchrist wow
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But typically true.
Quite a bit of "corporate" speech is not at all misleading even if it is strange by normal standards.
In other news, Nexus lives on! Google will continue to make Nexus phones, says this Google chap.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then in what way is it strange?
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advertising creates some unconscious reflexes no?
17:48
@Cerberus It is jargon, it is an in-group dialect that an out-group cannot understand or uses vocabulary that other groups would not use.
@cc I hardly believe that. It's what advertising companies claim in order to sell their services.
Good point @cc
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There is that, but I meant the languages intended for communication with other parties.
Yes, there is lots of corporate speech which is meant to mislead. But that is true of ALL speech where there are stakeholders whose outcomes depend on the interpretation of the speech.
(Besides, large parts of jargon also have a misleading element in them...)
17:50
EVERY TIME people communicate they mislead. They think 10 thoughts but only say one. They use euphemism. They leave stuff out. So what?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, that is in a fundamental way true, but there is something different about advertese/corporatese.
Politics is only slightly better. It depends.
It comes down to intention
It's all lies! You're all lying to me now! The only lies I can believe are the ones I tell myself.
@skullpatrol Or to intent.
@Cerberus You will need to provide some kind of analysis with citations before I will accept that statement. I've worked in corporate environments and much of the language is stuffy or overly formal or faux-formal or using big words for the sake of it, or extending the meanings of words beyond what is meant outside the jargon, but misleading? No.
17:52
@tchrist Aww, he's cute.
@Cerberus Politics is the same. I'd say worse, in fact.
Politicians can say what they want.
Advertisers are held to standards.
(or can be)
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Many of those adjectival phrases are about misleading people. Take only the word "faux".
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Corporate speech suffers from other severe defects than merely intent to deceive, defects it shares with govspeak and milspeak.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still, the language is somewhat less atrocious.
@Cerberus You're conflating two problems here. One, your distaste for deception. Two, your sense of linguistic aesthetics.
17:54
Ah, but the two are intimately connected in many cases, as Orwell says.
@Cerberus So, if I say "utilization" instead of "usage", I intend to deceive?
Three your intent :D
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Using big words in a bad way is misleading, you're trying to come across as better than you are, right?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You’re trying to make something seem more important than it is.
@Cerberus How do you know I'm not as good as that?
@tchrist Or maybe I'm just doing what everyone else does.
17:56
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Which is trying to make things seem more important than they are.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because you use the word in a wrong way.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Buck still stops at spin.
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So finally (sorry for having brought this topic) Suarez's bite during world cup was a pure nervous reflex , yet dysfunctional (since I guess he didn't train to bite)
@tchrist No, which is trying to sound like everyone else sounds.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It is true that there are many victims who are part of it but innocent.
17:56
@Cerberus please. Usage defines words.
@cc I would say it's a conditioned reflex, because he was trained to react in a vicious way to stress
@cc did Tyson?
but maybe he wasn't
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you know that you are using the big word just to seem more important, then QED. If not, then you are merely a hapless victim of other people's misleading language.
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it's clearly an OCD
17:57
Animals bite each other
bites you
We do not!
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@skullpatrol yes for game or for attacking, but... it's intentional
@Cerberus s/hap/wit/
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ha ha I thought you were going to say - in corporate speak they say 10 thoughts but only think one.
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17:58
I don't think Suarez had the intention to make himself a fool, in front of so many people, or maybe he was unaware, at that moment, he was filmed
lack of intention doesn't mean it's nervous
@cc I think nervous reflexes are a very specific and limited set, like closing your eyes when something approaches at speed, or when your leg moves under the doctor's hammer.
@tchrist Both.
If you stick your hand in the lioness’s mouth, she will likely bite you out of habit not out of spite nor hunger.

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