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Chris Okyen

21:26

How can I get a free copy of the fist edition of the oxford English dictionary

Matt Эллен

you cannot

Chris Okyen

I was told it is no longer in copyright

and there are PDF available

Matt Эллен

have you searched on Google?

Chris Okyen

Yeah nothing

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@ChrisOkyen The fist edition is the best.

Chris Okyen

21:28

but someone who's niche is this chat said it is no longer in copyright and can be legally downloaded

user116848

Hi guys

user116848

What do you think about this english.stackexchange.com/users/73373/farooq Should I change my mountain pic??

Anonymous

6

A: Resources for learning English

Dictionaries Bing English-Chinese Online Dictionary - Wildcard sentence search, Examples sorted by category and readability Cambridge Dictionaries Online Dictionary.com EtymOnline - The online etymology dictionary MDic (free, cross-platform) Merriam-Webster OneLook - Search many dictionaries at...

user116848

Or no:)

Anonymous

See the links at the bottom of that answer. But it's really cumbersome to use

Matt Эллен

21:30

!!github okfn/oed

Jarvis

@MattЭллен I can't quite understand that format. See /help github for, well...help.

Chris Okyen

Oh ok

Jarvis

@MattЭллен okfn/oed Extraction and Interface for Oxford English Dictionary (OED) 1st Edition

Anonymous

There, that sounds like it may be better (I have no clue)

Chris Okyen

Thanks for getting back to me

Is that russian

ллен

Matt Эллен

21:31

@snailboat it's the same

Anonymous

I think it's Matt Ellen in Cyrillic

Matt Эллен

@ChrisOkyen nah, just Cyrillic

Chris Okyen

Oh

Matt Эллен

@snailboat it is indeed

Anonymous

Yay! I hope I win a cookie

Matt Эллен

21:32

yes!

Go to Google for you cookie. they'll put it in your browser

Anonymous

Oh! How exciting!

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Good!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus certainly interesting :D

Cerberus

Of course the other editions are also available online, no doubt.

Aaand I have just found the CGEL.

Matt Эллен

I don't think 2nd ed is out of copyright

Anonymous

21:35

I think most people in the US and UK with library cards can use the OED website for free

Cerberus

You can still find it.

Matt Эллен

so it won't be legally freely available

Cerberus

@snailboat I can use it for free through my university's VPN. But it's faster to install it myself.

Matt Эллен

@snailboat I was very excited when I found that out :D

Anonymous

In any case, I recommend finding some solution besides "here's a bunch of PDFs" if possible :-)

RegDwigнt

21:36

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A: "She laughed as though there (was/were) a chance he might have said anything else."

= = = = RESERVING AN ANSWER POST = = = = In case this thread gets closed before I get to it (it currently has 2 close votes).

That's a first.

Cerberus

Holla!

Pretty smart!

Anonymous

Anti-close vote warfare!

Anonymous

And so forthright about it!

Matt Эллен

21:50

good night

Anonymous

Rest well!

Cerberus

Night!

Johan Larsson

think I'm gonna watch Korea vs Russia

Cerberus

Hi!

Johan Larsson

hej kompis

Cerberus

22:04

Hej!

Kompis?

Barcelona
Berlijn
Kopenhagen
Londen
Nice
Venetië

Which city should I get a free return ticket to?

I've never set foot in Barcelona or Berlin.

Londen, Kopenhagen, only briefly.

skullpatrol

Damn it! I keep getting fooled into thinking the election room is this one >8(

Cerberus

Venice, Nice, longer.

@skullpatrol I elect you as our failed election-room seeker.

skullpatrol

Thanks pally :D

Mahnax

@tchrist baristafont.com

Jez

@skullpatrol same

skullpatrol

22:09

@Jez great minds get fooled alike :-)

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus friend

@Cerberus Berlin

Cerberus

Ah, that's cute.

Related to compaan?

@JohanLarsson Yeah, you like Berlin?

Johan Larsson

never been there :)

Cerberus

I'd kind of like to go there, except that I don't like modern architecture.

Ohh...

Johan Larsson

heard good things about it though

Cerberus

22:16

Have you visited all the other cities?

Yes, I only hear good things about Berlin, too.

Still very trendy.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Return! Where are you going?

Cerberus

Can't think of a more trendy city anywhere in the world, for cultured people.

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus only London

Cerberus

@Mahnax No! The plane ticket is a return ticket.

medica

@Cerberus Barcelona is very hot in the summer.

Cerberus

22:17

@JohanLarsson Ah OK.

Mahnax

@Cerberus What?

Cerberus

@medica Yes, and I cannot stand heat...and the flight has to be before the 30th of September.

@Mahnax I'm not sure what you mean, whether your mean anything, whether it's a joke...

Mahnax

@Cerberus Sorry, are you trying to decide where to go, or where to go on your way back from somewhere else?

medica

@Cerberus london wouldn't be too bad, and Venice in September would be lovely.

Cerberus

@Mahnax The former.

Mahnax

22:19

@Cerberus Oh! Sorry. I say Barcelona. It was so lovely.

Cerberus

@medica But London is around the corner, it's usually easy to find cheap tickets thither. Venice is very nice. But I have already been there...still, that was more than a decade ago.

@Mahnax Ah, you have been there?

medica

@Cerberus I went to Venice in mid-May. It was wonderful.

Mahnax

Visit La Boqueria.

@Cerberus Yes, during my spring break travels.

Cerberus

@Mahnax But you are no thermophobe, are you?

Mahnax

Paris -> Avignon -> Nimes -> Avignon -> Carcassonne -> Barcelona.

Cerberus

22:21

@medica Right, it is wonderful. But I'd have to go in July–September.

tchrist

@Cerberus Go to Barcelona!!

Cerberus

@Mahnax Ah, yes, I remember now.

Mahnax

@Cerberus I don't like the heat much, but it was fine in April. 25˚C is about as hot as I like, and it was around 25˚C all three days.

Cerberus

Right, in April.

tchrist

Barcelona is never sweltering like Sevilla.

Cerberus

22:21

You know I am a thermophobe...

Mahnax

@Cerberus It's soooo worth it. The food. The Mediterranean. The culture. The city.

tchrist

You must see Guadí.

Cerberus

I shall have to bring very special glasses to see Guadí.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist implemented operator precedence in the parser, turned out nice

after rewrite

medica

@tchrist I would go to see Gaudi, but it miht be pretty hot still in September, no?

Cerberus

22:22

@Mahnax OK noted.

tchrist

@JohanLarsson Binary or unary?

Johan Larsson

both

medica

@Cerberus Have you been to Florence?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Seriously. It's one of the most amazing places I've ever been.

Cerberus

Yes.

Florence was choking hot when we went there.

Johan Larsson

22:23

@tchrist */+-><!= && || (and more)

Cerberus

@Mahnax OK why was it so amazing?

Mahnax

And I barely saw any of Barcelona. We stayed close to Las Ramblas the whole time.

Cerberus

I'm more into older architecture...

Oh, the tourist street?

Let me Bing some pictures of the Ramblas...

Mahnax

@Cerberus It was beautiful and warm. Charming architecture and very interesting buildings. Friendly people. Exposure to Catalan/Castilian speakers was cool.

tchrist

@medica The sea-breeze is always pleasant. You could go meet JBJ there and have him show you around to all the fine places Donde nunca te han llevado cuando anochece en Barcelona, as the book’s title runs.

medica

22:26

That sounds better than I heard!

Chris Okyen

@snailboat where is there a link for how to extract OED from meta.ell.stackexchange.com/questions/735/…? I looked at the other guys link but I don't know if it will work on windows

Mahnax

And La Boqueria was so cool.

user116848

@medica Here?

medica

@Arrowfar hello!

user116848

Hi everyone :)

medica

22:27

Arrowfar sounds like a weapon's name on Game of Thrones.

Cerberus

> Barcelona: average high September 26.1

Mahnax

Fresh fruit and veggies. Olives like you wouldn't believe. If you eat meat or fish, lots of that.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Right those things sound good.

user116848

@medica Haha I am addicted to GOT

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh, right! He was going there. When?

medica

22:28

@Cerberus That's very resonable.

tchrist

January       55F   13C
February      57F   14C
March         59F   15C
April         63F   17C
May           73F   23C
June          77F   25C
July          84F   29C
August        86F   30C
September     79F   26C
October       75F   24C
November      57F   14C
December      57F   14C

medica

@Arrowfar did you see the season finale on Sunday?

Cerberus

@medica 26 is still horrible for me in the sun, in a city. But I might just survive 26, if it truly doesn't get hotter than that.

tchrist

@Cerberus Summer.

@Cerberus It isn’t the same. You will see.

medica

@Cerberus I agree with you.

Cerberus

22:29

No specific month?

user116848

@medica Yeah I did

Cerberus

@tchrist I've heard that before. I have died many deaths from heat, on island, coasts, everywhere. Crete was also Hell.

It's more like...is it worth it?

@medica Spoiler! Delete!

user116848

@medica Always a bad ending. A cliffhanger one :D

Cerberus

I really didn't want to know that.

tchrist

Sea breeze.

Johan Larsson

22:30

@Cerberus go to Oslo?

tchrist

Beaches.

Siesta.

Cerberus

There is plenty of sea breeze in Knossos.

Or Ko-No-So in Linear B.

medica

@Cerberus so sorry!!! I thought everyone was caught up! :(

Cerberus

It's OK.

I don't plan on watching the last couple of seasons in the near future.

medica

@Cerberus I would far rather be cold than hot, unless I am on an island and can go diving.

Cerberus

22:32

Same here. Except the diving.

Mahnax

@Cerb Go to Helsinki!

Cerberus

I went to St Petersburg in autumn, it was 5 degrees and sunny all week, I loved it.

user116848

Any of you watch "Person of Interest"?

Cerberus

@Mahnax Hah, I only get to pick from the shortlist. @JohanLarsson

medica

@Cerberus My kind of weather.

Mahnax

22:33

@Cerberus I know. Why though?

tchrist

Plus if you don’t go during July or August, you won’t be able to make optimal use of your sidetrip to Sitges. :)

@Cerberus Second week of August.

user116848

@medica Sometimes GOT is a bit erotic don't you think?

Cerberus

@medica Yay!

tchrist

@Arrowfar Sometimes Game of Thrones makes dull stabs at eroticism; it rarely succees.

Mahnax

I prefer 10˚C and light rain.

medica

22:35

@Arrowfar yes, well, not erotic to me. Just unnecessary nudity.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Probably because "Alcatel" (or the Chinese company they sold part of the brand to) only bought tickets to those cities.

tchrist

@medica Exactly.

user116848

@tchrist Yeah haha

Cerberus

@Mahnax Rain, really?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Mhm.

Cerberus

22:36

@medica Just unnecessary hardcore sex!

@tchrist Ah OK. The hottest part of summer.

medica

@Cerberus lol, on porn hub maybe, but not GoT

Cerberus

Oops I mixed up the tabs.

user116848

Episode six was too much. If you know what I mean.

user116848

:)

tchrist

Pretty much the only scenes I found in the least erotic were those with Ned kissing Cat good bye in his arms before she went back north, and perhaps when Renly and Loras were horsing around and laughing. I don’t find any of the whore stuff tolerable at all.

medica

22:37

@Cerberus GoT has naked women draped over fully clothed/armored men. It's absurd.

@tchrist sagreed.

Cerberus

Huh?

I seem to remember fairly naked people of all genres.

user116848

@medica But looks kinda hot

Cerberus

Naked boobs.

user116848

@Cerberus Unbelievable haha

medica

@Cerberus rarely men; women? always.

Cerberus

22:39

Hmm.

Take for example the sex scene between Carice and whatsisname, in the second season?

I remember that was pretty long and soft-pornographic.

user116848

@Cerberus So whats hardcore lol

Cerberus

@Arrowfar Well, at the very least there need to be naked genitals.

medica

@Cerberus I just haven't felt there was anything but gratuitous nudity, but that's me.

user116848

@Cerberus Yuck

Cerberus

@tchrist Oh...thanks for the link, but I'm not sure I'd go to such a festival.

@medica Either you have been numbed, or you are being shown a censored version.

user116848

22:42

@medica You should watch "Person of interest" Fully sober and great actors

Cerberus

@Arrowfar I know, right? I always cover my partners' genitals.

medica

@tchrist Have you heard if Book of the New Sun has been optioned?

user116848

@Cerberus hehe

tchrist

@medica No idea. There’s the Urth mailing list.

medica

what is the Urth mailing list?

tchrist

22:43

@Cerberus Yeah, not really my thing either, although I’ve been to a few. Burning Man is a million times better anyway, since besides an 8-day rave, you have a million other supercool things going on.

user116848

Funny I didn't think anyone on English site would watch GOT.

medica

@Arrowfar haha! everyone watches GoT

user116848

Apparently

tchrist

@medica This. Of course, it’s replete with spoilers. But it is not just about the Solar Cycle, but about Wolfe’s works in general.

user116848

I thought people here very sober :) Clearly not lol

tchrist

22:45

@Arrowfar Why did you think that?

@Arrowfar Sobriety, Game of Thrones, Sequitur Non.

user116848

@tchrist You mean here? :)

Robusto

Why did three people vote down Matt's mod response?

tchrist

Which one?

checks

Yes yes, but that wasn’t what I was asking. Never mind.

medica

Gosh. Manhax even has a downvote.

tchrist

TF?

Cerberus

22:48

@tchrist I feel a bit too old for festivals, these days!

Robusto

I linked the wrong answer. Of course.

tchrist

So, here’s the telling question: do you think vote totals to the questionnaire are predictive, kinda like exit polls?

user116848

Bye everyone :D

medica

@Arrowfar Bye

Mahnax

Bye, @Arrowfar. Take care.

Robusto

22:49

@tchrist I think there is a relationship.

tchrist

Who is Arrowfar? You mean Farooq?

medica

@tchrist For my sake, I hope not, but I fear they may well be.

tchrist

@Cerberus That’s my line, sonny.

Mahnax

@tchrist With a maximum of fourteen votes on a single answer, I'm not certain that they will be. I'm sure we have far more voters than that.

Robusto

@tchrist I don't think they're absolutely predictive.

tchrist

22:50

On verra.

user116848

@tchrist Yes Yes Farooq Bye Bye

tchrist

For some reason arrow-far makes me think of Horus the Avenger — and Apollo.

Mahnax

@tchrist Ouais.

medica

:16133572 :D

Robusto

@tchrist I was thinking of Green ~~Lantern~~ Arrow crossed with Mrs. Tiggywinkle.

tchrist

22:52

Much more sensible.

Robusto

Why does Green turn up so often in the comic book world?

tchrist

@Mahnax I see you’re something of a canard yourself, what with all that kebbequacking.

Cerberus

@tchrist Last was when I was 19. I remember signing heat and long queues for the loos, where they had water we could drink. And discomfort and dirt everywhere.

Robusto

Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Green Goblin. Also frozen foods: Green Giant.

Mahnax

@tchrist Harrumph.

Robusto

22:53

@tchrist You mean Canardien.

tchrist

@Robusto Make a list of all the superheros with color-names, and tally.

Robusto

Feb 1 at 2:17, by Robusto

@tchrist On a dit Canardien.

Mahnax

I am no quebecois, for I do not speak through my nose.

medica

@tchrist I heard kids saying ouais in Paris.

Mahnax

@medica I heard them saying putaing in Avignon.

medica

22:55

@Mahnax not poutine?

Robusto

@tchrist ping

tchrist

@medica wæ̃

Mahnax

@medica No?

tchrist

@Robusto brb

Mahnax

Oh Provence ! Où on peut boire du ving.

medica

22:56

@Mahnax Je ne connais pas putaing

Mahnax

@medica Putain is the word for whore. I noticed that in the southern parts of France, people added an "ng" sound to the end.

And instead of du vin c'est du ving.

Robusto

Feb 1 at 2:21, by Robusto

Mmm, souffle.

medica

@Mahnax Oh! I didn't know that.

Like puta.

Mahnax

@medica Yeah. It's usually used with an intensity similar to fuck, if I understand correctly.

medica

@Mahnax Ah, bon, Ah, maintenant je comprends

@Mahnax No wonder I didn't hear it!

Mahnax

22:59

@medica Haha.

No, in Québec you probably heard tabarnak more.

medica

@Mahnax We had an ER doc telling a hispanic lady giving birth to push, push but he was saying, puta! Puta!

The mother was not happy.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Haha. La Provence, probably.

Mahnax

@medica Oh dear.

@Cerberus Ouais, Provence.

medica

@Mahnax the reat of us were dying, however.

Cerberus

La!

Mahnax

23:02

I work with a guy from Colombia who prefers to swear in French.

Cerberus

Très original.

medica

@Mahnax Tabarnak was my father's favorite word.

Mahnax

He thinks he'll be understood by fewer people if he uses French and not Spanish.

Merde and mierda are not so different, anyway. Like puta and putain.

medica

really, they aren't

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Q: What do we call a grocery store’s action to hand milk and egg to a boy who was asked to buy them by his dad?

In connection with my previous question - What does “make the last word on word” mean?, there was the following sentence in New Yorker’s article titled, “Salia’s word game” "In his dissent, Scalia heaps contempt on the majority’s view that the “true buyer” of the handgun in question was not...

word-choice

I don't understand.

@AndrewLeach Hi!

Andrew Leach

@medica Hello.

Mahnax

23:07

Ah, another candidate.

medica

@AndrewLeach we've been dialoguing in the election chat room. Put your 2 cents of you like!

Andrew Leach

Thought I'd look in, but it's just past midnight, so I probably won't be around for long.

@medica So I saw.

Locking an edit war is the right thing to do.

medica

@AndrewLeach Thank you.

I've appreciated Grace Note's firm but wise handling of things.

Andrew Leach

It's happened to me on Christianity.SE. Once my edit had been reverted, I raised a flag.

Cerberus

@medica You need to read the entire question to understand.

medica

23:10

I have come to apprecite the merits of flagging. But I didn't at first, out of desire no to bother the mods.

@Cerberus IK. TL:DR

Cerberus

@Mahnax He should use ELUese.

Mahnax

@Cerberus ?

Andrew Leach

@Cerberus And write in Cyrillic!

tchrist

@Mahnax They do that in Spain, too. So pan (for bread) ends in a uvular nasal.

Mahnax

@tchrist Cool!

Andrew Leach

23:20

OK peeps. And so to bed...

medica

@AndrewLeach nite

Cerberus

@Mahnax Also called Incomprehensiblese.

@AndrewLeach Yay!

Hello, Andrew.

Good night!

medica

23:38

@Cerberus I ended up answering it.

KitFox

I missed a flag again.

sighs wistfully

tchrist

All ye candidates, answer me this:

KitFox

You should ask in the election hall.

tchrist

Why in the world “must” we reopen this question just to cite the dictionary definition of something he couldn’t look up for himself?

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Q: The "Oh to have…" expression

What does "Oh to have..." mean, as in "Oh to have a song in a national campaign" in Jon Lajoie's song "Please Use This Song"? Can somebody explain me where does that expression come from and what is its real meaning. In what context do we use that expression ? Thanks a lot.

meaning etymology expressions expression-choice

It appears that Certain Candidates do not believe in closing questions. Period.

It has two reopen votes, and it is just exactly what the dictionary says it is.

KitFox

I thought Cerb wasn't running.

tchrist

23:45

This is strictly General Reference, because this means exactly what the dictionary says it means. It is a standard word, used in a standard way. Please consult a dictionary for the interjection oh or o, which are the same thing. — tchrist 3 mins ago

medica

@tchrist Did I not close that? Oh, wait. I answered that.

tchrist

Maybe we can scuttle it off to ELL, but I thought that even they weren’t into reading the dictionary to people. But this is just a silly question for ELU.

I am beginning to lose sight of the distinction between ELU and Yahoo Answers.

Next up will be YouTube comments.

medica

@tchrist Show me the way to go home....

@tchrist We've been discussing this issue for hours on the election room chat.

tchrist

@medica There’s an election chat room???

medica

@tchrist There actually was a You tube question, like, 7-10 days ago.

@tchrist Yes, of course.

tchrist

23:48

@KitFox I did not understand what you meant. I thought you meant in one of those questionnaire answers.

@medica Linky?

user116848

@KitFox Can you tell me how to earn more points on ELU? By giving good answers?

medica

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tchrist

k

@Arrowfar That’s one way, probably the eaisest one.

user116848

@tchrist What are others?

KitFox

By asking really good questions.

user116848

23:50

@KitFox Yeah that

tchrist

@Arrowfar Asking good questions. Getting suggested edits approved. Approving answers. Getting users who have downvoted you to change their minds or resign their accounts. :)

Alraxite

Also earning bounties.

user116848

@tchrist "Approving answers"? For own questions right?

tchrist

@Arrowfar Yes.

user116848

resign their accounts--------how so?

Alraxite

23:53

Isn't he Farooq?

Cerberus

@tchrist In which dictionary can I find oh + infinitive?

user116848

Yes I am :D

user116848

@Alraxite How did you know?

tchrist

@Cerberus Come off.

Alraxite

@Farooq Does that ping?

Cerberus

23:54

No, seriously. This is not easy to look up.

tchrist

O take me back again!
O would I were there!
O that I might see him!
O for another glimpse of it!
O the pity of it!
O dear me!
O dear!
O me!

medica

@tchrist you read it all already?

Cerberus

That's not looking up. And not all of those O's mean the same thing.

tchrist

If somebody cannot connect “O that I might see him” to “O to see him”, then they are going to have a great deal of trouble all over the place.

Alraxite

@Farooq Do you get the ping sound? Like now?

Cerberus

23:56

Either way, there is no work of general reference where you could easily look this up.

user116848

@Alraxite No no

medica

@Cerberus those O's do all mean the same thing: emotional interjection.

Alraxite

Well, OK.

tchrist

@Cerberus I disagree.

Strongly.

Look up the word oh or o.

user116848

@Alraxite By the way how did you know :D I am curious haha

tchrist

23:57

Then read what it says.

Look at the examples.

Use your brain.

It is a sloth’s question.

medica

@tchrist :(

@phenry - hey!

phenry

hello @medica!

medica

welcome back.

user116848

@phenry Hello

phenry

can't stay long.

medica

23:58

nothing constructive happened in your absence.

(in the election chat, I mean)

phenry

who knew that my presence was the only thing keeping it constructive?

medica

we discussed what to do in the case of a rollback war.

Yes, I think that's it!

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