English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

21:01

@snailboat Thanks! So that's 168 votes total, or 1,680 reps. That is like 5% of my score?

Less than 5%.

Alraxite

@snailboat Thank you. Perhaps I'll find one easy enough for me.

Cerberus

@phenry Okay, so if your main suggestion is that migration to ELL/ESL should be easier, then I agree. Isn't one reason that it is still in beta?

@snailboat Yay! So I haven't made my reputation on the back of silly SWRs.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Congratulations!

phenry

@Cerberus - well, I think it should be made easier only if it properly recast as an ESL site.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Beta sites aren't graduating after 90 days anymore. I think only two sites graduated last year.

phenry

21:04

as to why it's still in beta, I'm not clued in to the process enough to know. I may post a version of my rant over at Area 51 in an effort to influence the process.

Anonymous

The biggest bottleneck is the site design, since SE's one designer is overworked.

Anonymous

And there's a huge backlog of sites.

Anonymous

Even ones which clearly should be graduating are taking a while.

Cerberus

@phenry But if the migration thing was your main reason for disliking the current ELL...

@snailboat Yes, Linguistics has been up for several years.

@snailboat Ohh that's funny.

phenry

@Cerberus - I wouldn't say I "dislike" ELL exactly. I think the fact that its mission forces it to function as EL&U's toilet hampers its effectiveness.

as such, it should NOT be a migration target for this site until and unless the problem with its mission and name are straightened out.

Cerberus

21:07

But you haven't explained how it is hampered in practice, except by the migration thing.

Anonymous

Actually, most of the questions that do get migrated seem kind of iffy.

Cerberus

Perhaps I am not seeing something bad that is happening at ELL: I am not a regular answerer any more.

(Nor anywhere else, actually.)

Anonymous

I think ELL is doing sort of okay.

phenry

@Cerberus - it's hampered because there are people who want it to be the place for questions EL&U doesn't want because they're "too basic."

this despite the fact that people learning English have very different needs than fluent speakers who just happen to have a simple practical question.

Anonymous

Its biggest problem is that it gets too many low quality questions, I think.

phenry

21:08

ELL is forced to serve two masters, and so it excels at neither.

Mitch

@phenry I'm not sure you're complaining about the right thing. the name 'ELL' is what the 'ESL' people call themselves these days. So it is expected to be an ESL site, just with the more modern name 'ELL'.

phenry

@Mitch - first of all, I don't think that's true:

google.com/search?q=esl

Cerberus

@phenry How is it hampered in practice, can you give an example? Are bad questions flushed towards ELL or something?

phenry

"ELL" as a term seems to be only used by SE.

Cerberus

> But saying that ELU is the place for fluent speakers of English and ELL (if recast as an ESL site, as I recommend) is the place for non-fluent speakers would be both entirely appropriate and helpful to both populations.

What if a non-fluent speaker (who will be the judge anyway?) asks a question about etymology?

Even if poorly worded, I don't see how that should be off topic on ELU.

Mahnax

21:12

@phenry This was to avoid the notion that for many English learners, it is not a second language, but rather a third, fourth, or fifth, etc.

Hence ELL over ESL.

Anonymous

@Mahnax I've always understood "second language" to mean "L2" = "language acquired later in life" rather than literally meaning "second language"

phenry

second of all, ELL was proposed as an ESL site but then the proposal was broadened, specifically to include questions that are thought to be "too basic" for ELU, regardless of whether they come from native or non-native speakers.

Theodore Broda

@phenry I enjoyed (and completely concurred with) your excellent, in-depth article on the ELL/EL&U issue; you have one of my votes. Many EL&U users use ELL as a trash can for bad questions. Also, although I have not been here extraordinarily long, I have noticed a pervasive aloofness and capriciousness in the conduct of some EL&U users, and I feel the hostile environment often discourages new users from participating in the site and sharing their knowledge.

Mahnax

@snailboat Well, sure. But if I recall correctly, that was the rationale used.

phenry

@TheodoreBroda - thanks!

Anonymous

21:13

@Mahnax I understand.

Anonymous

I mean, I sort of understand. :-)

phenry

16

Q: Why limit the new group to ESL?

Proposal: English as a Second Language People often ask questions which are too basic for ELU, though the people asking are not ESL students. Why not broaden the new group to accept all basic questions which do not need the intervention of a serious language researcher?

culture

20

Q: Done! Now restore this site to ESL ("English as a Second Language")

Proposal: English Language Learners A Brief Background — 6 months ago as part of the Area 51 process, this proposal was renamed from "English as a Second Language" to "English Language Learners." It was a way to highlight (and defend) the NEED to support a *separate* community for non-native spe...

culture proposal-name

Mahnax

I'm not saying I agree with it—but you'll be able to read my full position on the ELU/ELL debate later today, when I answer the moderation candidacy questions.

Anonymous

Ahh

Anonymous

@phenry I think what you wrote about opinion is fair, but I don't entirely agree. There's a lot of evidence (actual usage, standard and otherwise) that people can base answers on. Especially with so many major corpora for English being freely available, and with descriptive grammars based on these or other corpora

Anonymous

21:21

I don't think it's necessary to characterize everything as opinion

Cerberus

@phenry As I see it, ELL was not broadened to include "basic" questions per se, but rather questions from people who want to learn how to use the language, how they should use it, as opposed to what it is or how it works. That includes questions from native speakers.

Anonymous

If I say a sentence can't end with a preposition, that's more or less wrong rather than my opinion

Anonymous

It's trivially disprovable.

Cerberus

Depends on what "can't" means.

Anonymous

If I say a sentence shouldn't end with a preposition, then I'm expressing an opinion.

Cerberus

21:22

But I agree that all worthy style books disagree with that position.

in RPG General Chat, Apr 29 at 7:51, by lisardggY

@JonathanHobbs It's really annoying over on English.SE where people answer in comments, usually out of a "I can't be bothered to write up a proper answer, so here it is in half a sentence".

Anonymous

Opinion is okay, too. But we can not only state opinions, but look at evidence and describe how language is used, as well

Cerberus

I don't like this. It's not unfriendly if you choose to quickly and succinctly choose to help someone by posting a comment.

@snailboat Those do not overlap entirely.

Proper style is something many people would like to learn about, and it is not determined by the masses.

phenry

Answers should be answers. Comments get lost in the shuffle too easily.

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Anonymous

@Cerberus Well, I wasn't claiming that people shouldn't have opinions about language. Everyone does, really. :-)

Anonymous

I was merely pointing out that it's possible to have opinions and to make observations. Not necessarily about the same things all the time.

Anonymous

21:27

Sometimes there's overlap.

Theodore Broda

@phenry That's why there are so many unanswered questions on EL&U; users quickly and offhandedly write their answers as comments, so that oftentimes some of the best answers cannot be accepted.

phenry

@TheodoreBroda - yes, exactly.

and I admit I've made a few rep points by basically repeating the gist of someone's comment in an answer. hey, if you can't be arsed to do it right...

Cerberus

@phenry Who cares?

I don't see the harm.

Anonymous

Comments are licensed under Creative Commons. There's an expectation that answerers can build on them.

Cerberus

On the contrary.

@snailboat That is very hard to disagree with!

Theodore Broda

21:30

@phenry Good point; if you bother to rewrite someone's general ideas into a formal answer with proper citations and formatting, then you deserve the reputation.

phenry

@Cerberus - Maybe you're right. But I understand why someone would think it comes off as dismissive, especially in light of all the other snobbery that happens here.

Cerberus

Ugh, I hate that the law should even be involved in such things. I prefer plagiarism, which is legal but frowned upon.

Anonymous

@Cerberus It was a response to this:

Anonymous

> In one sense, all of English is about opinions.

Anonymous

(From phenry's meta answer)

tchrist

21:31

@snailboat That, however, is wrong.

Cerberus

@phenry I just don't think it's fair to ungratefully interpret something as dismissive which was clearly intended to be helpful...

@snailboat Haha OK!

Anonymous

@tchrist Quoted from this answer

Cerberus

@Cerberus I don't find your reply unfriendly. I do find the use of Latin to be unnecessary. You say, "lower the bar of my own scribblings." Except this is the Q&A, and while Meta is a bit more lenient it does little to help the cause of this site if a new member, potentially non-English speaker has to not only try to figure out English comments but whatever "inspice et iudica" means. If you want to chat in other languages with friends there are better places to do it, such as Chat. If you don't agree with me, fine. I'm offering my perspective on the friendliness of this site as a non-regular. — Ryan 34 mins ago

I don't know what to say.

Theodore Broda

@Cerberus But is is not so obviously helpful to new users who are not accustomed to the general EL&U environment; it just seems supercilious, as if their question isn't even worth a more experienced user's time.

Cerberus

Why?

That is a very strange interpretation.

tchrist

21:35

@snailboat I know, but it is not true. Neither English philologists nor English phonologists publish research in refereed journals as mere opinions. There’s work here.

Anonymous

@tchrist I agree that it's not true

Cerberus

@TheodoreBroda You want some information; I give it to you in a quick and efficient way. You should be happy.

Anonymous

@TheodoreBroda I'm sorry to hear that some people take comments that way

Anonymous

It hadn't occurred to me that they might

Cerberus

I will use my own, reasonable judgement as to what I consider bad manners or undue unfriendliness. I take this very seriously. But the mere fact that someone else doesn't like it isn't enough.

tchrist

21:36

@Cerberus Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all.

Cerberus

@tchrist I that is how it shall be.

Fiat.

Theodore Broda

@snailboat They shouldn't take it that way, as most people at EL&U do genuinely want to help them; however, the brusque commentary isn't what some people are accustomed to, and they interpret it as haughty. I guess what I mean to say is that the unique attitude of EL&U users take some time to get used to, as they are often different than other sites, including some SE sites.

Anonymous

(Actually, the reason I quoted it was because I was pointing out that it wasn't true.)

Anonymous

@TheodoreBroda Every SE site I've used has felt very different.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Prithee, what “unique writing conventions” had you in mind?

Anonymous

21:40

I mean, all unique, not all different from English.SE but like one another.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist Answering in comments, flagging without properly explaining why in the comments, and other things that might be perceived as discourteous by people not accustomed to EL&U.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Those two things happen on every SE site.

They are by no means whatsoever unique to ELU.

Anonymous

I think answering in comments happens to different extents on different SE sites.

Anonymous

For example, I think it might happen a bit more on Linguistics.SE than on English.SE.

Theodore Broda

@tchrist It seems more prevalent and almost institutionalized on EL&U, though.

tchrist

21:44

@TheodoreBroda That is not my perception.

@snailboat They have genuine standards there about what counts as an answer. Or a question.

@MichaelMyers Is there anything we may do for you, sir, or are you just moseying by?

Theodore Broda

@tchrist I see you have very stringent standards on what questions should be regarded as legitimate. I still think answers should be answers.

Anonymous

On ELL, short answers are usually deleted or converted to comments.

Anonymous

It encourages users not to use the answer function for that sort of quick reply

Cerberus

Ah! See!

Michael Myers

@tchrist For old times' sake. And for the election.

Theodore Broda

21:49

@snailboat Not all questions require a verbose answer. Sometimes it is better to be laconic.

Anonymous

@TheodoreBroda I made a meta post to that effect on ELL, but it had no effect

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda I beg your pardon? Just what part of How do I ask a good question? do you disagree with?

RegDwigнt

Just checking in: I take the meta thread to mean there won't be a Town Hall Chat this time?

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I was wondering that myself.

RegDwigнt

Not that I'm complaining, more ~~sleep~~ football for me.

tchrist

21:51

@TheodoreBroda We want questions — and answers — that show research and thought behind them.

Michael Myers

@phenry Not to go all Grampa Simpson on you, but back when I moderated English.SE, we were told to warn users for posting comments that should be answers. And speaking of answers, that reminds me of the Great Pie Shortage

RegDwigнt

The thing is, Michael actually wore an onion to his belt.

phenry

@MichaelMyers - I don't know why we're not still doing that.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Er?

RegDwigнt

@tchrist Simpsons reference. You need a TV set to understand. And some electricity. Free pot only goes so far in substituting either.

Theodore Broda

21:53

@tchrist None. However, "on-topic-ness" can be subjective, and some questions that are only marginally apposite (but meet the most basic requirements nonetheless) are eradicated before they have a chance to be improved.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt æther

Michael Myers

@RegDwigнt Back in my day, we learned our cultural references from watching people make cultural references. And we liked it.

Anonymous

@phenry One thing about comment-answers that is possibly not ideal: they appear above all the actual answers.

Anonymous

@MichaelMyers I know hundreds of Simpsons references because, growing up, my brother quoted the show non-stop

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda I will always vote to close all Is "X" right? questions that say no more than that. They are proofreading questions. They don’t belong here.

Michael Myers

21:53

@snailboat And you can only upvote

RegDwigнt

@MichaelMyers back in my day, we had no culture. Or any frigging Latin in our Englishes.

Anonymous

So I know that one, even though in that phase of my life I did my best to watch zero television

phenry

whoa, somebody starred something I wrote! this is the best day ever.

Anonymous

@MichaelMyers ELL has a problem with answer-comments which are wrong.

tchrist

@phenry Jasper, retire your sock.

RegDwigнt

21:55

@snailboat well gosh that's easy.

Take fire, add more fire, kill.

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt I'm told the solution is to respond to them with additional comments.

Anonymous

Since you can't downvote, and if I flag them my flags are declined

medica

@phenry Good answers, Well presented. Good luck.

RegDwigнt

@snailboat I don't know anything about ELL. I would have to ask JR.

phenry

@RegDwigнt - what meta thread is that? I'm always missing stuff.

tchrist

21:56

@TheodoreBroda The constant onslaught of teensy-weensy one-and-done questions that show no research, present no theories, and require nothing more than a native speaker to confirm or deny the naturalness of the phrasing do not belong on ELU — nor for that matter on ELL either.

phenry

@medica - thanks!

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt JR is in favor of answer comments.

Anonymous

@tchrist ELL has a problem with low quality questions. (Surprise? :-)

phenry

@medica - you have one of my votes, btw.

RegDwigнt

@phenry the one with questions, on which you only just posted an answer. I thought them questions was going to be asked in chat. But lo, and no.

medica

21:56

@tchrist Agreed

tchrist

We get pi dozen of those a day, and it is a genuine issue.

phenry

@RegDwigнt - I'm pretty sure that's the way they always do the questions.

RegDwigнt

@snailboat probably not wrong ones, though.

medica

@phenry That's kind of you. we do feel the same about certain issues.

Michael Myers

@phenry It wasn't until recently

RegDwigнt

21:57

@phenry I've sacrificed too much sleep to the previous Town Hall Chats to believe you. :P

Or perhaps this time they're doing both.

KitFox

Hi.

RegDwigнt

Anyway, I must be off to watch US vs. Ghana.

phenry

all of the ones i've seen in 2014 have been answered through meta.

elections.stackexchange.com/#stackoverflow

RegDwigнt

Hi and bye Kitty.

tchrist

Why do you say goodbye when I say hello?

Mahnax

21:58

@KitFox Hiya!

phenry

@RegDwigнt - oh, is it time already? U-S-A!! U-S-A!!

KitFox

@RegDwigнt But it was you I needed to ask...

Fine. I'll ask Shog.

RegDwigнt

@KitFox now let's not say things we can't take back.

But I must be off!

KitFox

Bye.

RegDwigнt

Au reservoir.

KitFox

21:59

blows kisses

I hope we lose!

tchrist

@KitFox Beware his cyclopean catacombs.

Theodore Broda

@phenry Give Ghana a break! It's difficult enough to be a functioning republic in West Africa!

KitFox

So no Town Hall this year?

tchrist

@KitFox We no know.

Michael Myers

@KitFox They've been banished to the nether realms, because people who lived in nether realms could never figure out which time zone it was scheduled in

KitFox

22:03

Fair enough.

Theodore Broda

@MichaelMyers I still don't know in which time zones anything is scheduled.

Michael Myers

Also because it was incredibly noisy and difficult to follow, and the payoff was a nicely formatted Meta post - so now they just skip straight to the last step

KitFox

Well, we've got two very studious candidates, I see.

You know that I wish that I had Jessie's girl.

tchrist

Charm school pays off.

phenry

Good answers, @medica.

medica

22:06

@phenry I ha to edit mine down mercilessly.

TRiG

4

A: When should someone use ligatures?

No One Rule Fits All Situations This is all somewhat complicated, because it ties in with kerning support and font selection, and there is no one-size-fits-all answer that will serve for all situations. In my experience, ligatures are more apt to be needed in a tightly set serif roman or italic...

phenry

@medica - I should have done that, but... well, let's just say that IS the edited-down version.

TRiG

I was barely a paragraph into this before I realised that it had to be written by @tchrist.

tchrist

heh

medica

@phenry Thanks! I was just commiserating with the length of your answers. Mine were long too. (lol!) But your answers, tho long, are substantive. They're quite good.

phenry

22:07

@medica - thanks!

tchrist

@TRiG The purple Rorschach is not so reliable a fingerprinting signature as that of my own inimitable diction and delivery is.

KitFox

I'm about three sentences in and I'm already questioning the purpose of the Q&A.

Theodore Broda

@TRiG The answer is always, because ligatures are awesome. For me, discretionary ligatures are never discretionary; ligatures are always required, to the point of gaudiness.

tchrist

Or was it the specimina that betrayed its auctorial origin?

Kabir101

@KitFox: Hi, how are you today?

tchrist

22:10

Cleanliness is next to gaudiness.

KitFox

@Kabir101 OK.

Kabir101

Can anyone correct this: 'Which other options are you getting?'

TRiG

@tchrist The specimens helped, certainly, but there was something in the erudition, the easy and familiar reference to examples, and the general writing style which made me think of you. Toward the end of the answer, the mastery of Unicode came into play, which cinched it.

Kabir101

I guess, 'which other options you are getting' more sense.

makes more sense*

TRiG

In other news, I think this is the first time I've voted in an SE election.

I've still not been persuaded to run.

tchrist

22:15

@TRiG . . . where angels fear to tread.

TRiG

@tchrist In which case, there's no shortage of fools on the network.

Theodore Broda

@TRiG I don't like to run either, walking is my preferred form of exercise.

tchrist

Smart man.

MrHen

Whelp, posted my answers. Cheers to all of the candidates. :)

TRiG

@TheodoreBroda Well, on this side of the Atlantic, I suppose one really should stand for election, rather than running for office.

I'd still rather not.

MrHen

22:17

@medica All three of us wrote about the same length, I think

phenry

Good luck @MrHen.

MrHen

There isn't really a lot of differences in the answers, in my opinion.

Theodore Broda

@TRiG I can't stand elections, either.

Mahnax

I'll be posting mine shortly. Good luck to the other candidates!

MrHen

Aside from @phenry's ELL answer. :)

tchrist

22:18

@TheodoreBroda I doubt whether we’d let you. :)

Jun 11 at 2:18, by tchrist

Master: Thinking of holding an election, are they? Preposterous! I won't stand for it!
Servant: I don't think they'd let you, sire.

medica

@MrHen Hi! Good luck. Are your answers are up? (I just looked. Not yet.)

TRiG

@MrHen @phenry worried about being a "spoiler" candidate, which shows that @phenry does not understand how STV works. (PR-STV is one reason why I enjoy living in Ireland.)

MrHen

@phenry I've been saying that for ages. Where were all of you when I was drumming up support? :P

Theodore Broda

If there was an Anarchy.SE, I wonder how users would feel about these democratic moderator elections.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda If there was an Anarchy.SE, nobody ever told me about it.

medica

22:20

@TheodoreBroda lol

MrHen

@TRiG What is a "spoiler" candidate?

@medica Yes, they should be.

phenry

@TRiG - yes, probably so. I still have PTSD from Ralph Nader's candidacy in 2000.

MrHen

0

A: 2014 Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

I'd be interested to hear how candidates feel about the existence of English Language Learners, and whether/how they intend to preserve/promote the distinct identities of the two sites. My relationship with ELL would be to work with their moderator team to understand which questions they f...

@TRiG Oh, I understand now. The Nadar reference did it.

Michael Myers

@tchrist Politics is the closest we've got

medica

Ah! There they are! off to read...

MrHen

22:21

You get three votes in this election, so I'm not too worried about it.

TRiG

@MrHen In first-past-the-post electoral systems, a vote can be "split": if you don't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in, as Douglas Adams put it.

tchrist

Alligators.

TRiG

STV means you don't need to worry about what other people are doing: it's more complicated to understand, perhaps, but a lot simpler to use.

MrHen

@TRiG Mmk. So... are you suggesting that @phenry and I are spoiling each other?

tchrist

@TRiG Sexually Transmissible Virus

Would like to know what shall come of this:

26 mins ago, by tchrist

@TheodoreBroda The constant onslaught of teensy-weensy one-and-done questions that show no research, present no theories, and require nothing more than a native speaker to confirm or deny the naturalness of the phrasing do not belong on ELU — nor for that matter on ELL either.

KitFox

22:23

That's what gets me about all of this attitude that "other SE" communities have about our site.

tchrist

@MrHen Seems like a personal matter to me.

KitFox

They post crap and complain when we say it's crap.

tchrist

Spades are spades.

KitFox

And yet we're not like SO.

TRiG

@MrHen If you are, it shouldn't be a problem. See CGP Grey's videos on the subject.

MrHen

22:24

@KitFox I thought about addressing that in the "are we not nice?" question but chose not to in the post.

!!wiki CGP Grey

tchrist

@KitFox Well no, but in which regard were you thinking? There are so many.

TRiG

@KitFox It's the "what should I name my variable/api?" questions which really annoy me.

KitFox

Oh no. SO can close the crappiest questions with the snarkiest comments, but because they are about the mystery of code and not English, it's fine and they aren't huge jerks.

tchrist

@TRiG I hate the résumé or spamvert proofreading requests.

MrHen

I think it's an issue of how we deliver the message. "ELU" users like to talk all weird. It's like listening to the English major ramble on for fifteen minutes about why they don't like the color of your pants.

TRiG

22:26

@KitFox Because every native speaker thinks they're an expert.

@MrHen cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom

tchrist

►

MrHen

@KitSox: Hey, wake up! I asked you a question!

@tchrist Heh, nice.

I walk past that studio nearly every day, by the way.

@TRiG Thanks; will read/listen later.

tchrist

@MrHen More where that came from.

@TRiG Aye.

Theodore Broda

@TRiG I don't think that I'm an expert; I know that I am. ;-)

KitFox

Oh right, the bot. Just a minute.

tchrist

22:30

@TheodoreBroda Child.

TRiG

in The Library, Jan 2 '13 at 20:10, by TRiG

(Though of course my opinions are correct, by virtue of being my opinions.)

Jarvis

yip yip

Theodore Broda

Jun 1 at 17:33, by tchrist

The children are watching.

KitFox

!!wiki CGP Grey

Jarvis

CGP Grey

C.G.P. Grey is an eponymous YouTube channel featuring short explanatory videos by a user known by the same name. The channel's first popular video was an explanation of the terminology of the British Isles, which went viral. The channel has also spawned several spin-offs, including a secondary channel, [http://youtube.com/user/CGPGrey2 CGPGrey2], and a channel with playlists of Grey's favourite videos called [http://youtube.com/user/greysfavs greysfavs]. In addition, Grey created the podcast Hello Internet with Brady Haran, creator of many well known educational YouTube channels. Videos ...

KitFox

22:32

!!Thank you.

tchrist

@TheodoreBroda Sø nø prØn in this ch@t.

Jarvis

@KitFox Most welcome

medica

@MrHen - very good answers!

Michael Myers

@KitFox What happens if you don't thank the bot?

KitFox

Nothing.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I woke her up.

Alraxite

22:36

!!summon 8795

Jarvis

@Alraxite Registered; need 0 more to execute

TRiG

Jan 18 '13 at 19:58, by RegDwighт

So yeah, I was searching for donut-shaped dinosaurs but found your gay porn. That was like unexpected.

tchrist

@TRiG This is what happens when you seek out daisy-chained lizards without Safe Search enabled.

TRiG

@tchrist I can see how that could be a problem, yes.

MrHen

@medica Thanks. :) You too!

@Jarvis You changed your name, eh?

medica

22:51

@Cerberus english.stackexchange.com/a/178226/58761

Cerberus

@medica Yay!

medica

deceptionist!

Cerberus

Ego!

TRiG

@medica How are your deflector skills, then?

medica

Hmm, I tend not to deflect.

I would be terrible at Tai Chi

KitFox

22:59

!!summon 8795

Mahnax

23:27

I posted my response to the questions. whew

medica

@Mahnax Good job! and good luck.

Mahnax

@medica Thanks! You too.

medica

(oh, and I know the whew feeling.) :)

Mahnax

It took awhile to think it all over.

medica

Gosh, I wrote mine out last night, except for the brutally honest answer of why I shouldn't be a mod.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

23:35

Jarvis?

medica

which I was hoping wouldn't be a question... : /

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox yay!

Robusto

23:52

@KitFox Wut?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Say what?

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