English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

19:01

> dwimmer: DWIM is an acronym for “Do What I Mean”, the principle that something should just do what you want it to do without an undue amount of fuss. A bit of code that does “dwimming” is a “dwimmer”. Dwimming can require a great deal of behind-the-scenes magic, which (if it doesn’t stay properly behind the scenes) is called a dweomer instead.

> dweomer: An enchantment, illusion, phantasm, or jugglery. Said when Perl’s magical dwimmer effects don’t do what you expect, but rather seem to be the product of arcane dweomercraft, sorcery, or wonder working. [From Old English]

I am of course autoplagiarizing myself.

Johan Larsson

did you make much money on the books?

Cerberus

@tchrist Low six figures "only"? Is that much money important to you?

tchrist

No and yes.

@Cerberus I just need to pay the bills.

And yes, that is a bit low for my skill set and seniority.

The Google offer was more in line, but I didn’t want to move.

Cerberus

You forgot one instance.

tchrist

Oh well.

Too late.

And we have no mods here, nor do I wish to invite a non-native mod to fix it.

Plus it will all hit the news when it hits the fan soon enough.

Johan Larsson

19:05

Kit can delete it with mod powers, or Joseph.

tchrist

I know, but I have no seen her lately.

Cerberus

Can he?

tchrist

@JosephWeissman Are you alive?

Cerberus

I suppose he can.

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus I would be surprised if not

tchrist

19:06

I think so. I forget the differences in powers between native and alien mods in chat. There are some, but as I am neither, have forgotten them.

Cerberus

Same here.

tchrist

I would make a terrible moderator.

Cerberus

Same.

All would cower in terror.

tchrist

For I suffer fools neither gladly nor at all.

Precisely.

Cerberus

I already "moderate" and terrorise certain gates...

Johan Larsson

19:07

when did they tell you and when is the last day?

tchrist

Last day was technically today, but I turned everything in yesterday.

I told them last Wednesday; they had been betrayed themselves and were not told.

Johan Larsson

so it is going to be some serious chatting from now on?

tchrist

The team learned on Tuesday morning, first day after the holiday.

@JohanLarsson Mayhap.

> And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night!
Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain!
Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning!
Stronger than the foundations of the earth.
All shall love me and despair!

@Cerberus ^^^^^^^^^

Johan Larsson

wild guess, never read any of his work :)

Goethe?

tchrist

Lord.

That’s Galadriel turning down the One.

> Frodo bent his head. ‘And what do you wish?’ he said at last.

‘That what should be shall be,’ she answered. ‘The love of the Elves for
their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their
regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast
all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now. For the fate
of Lothlurien you are not answerable but only for the doing of your own
task. Yet I could wish, were it of any avail, that the One Ring had never

Cerberus

19:13

@tchrist Who had not been told?

@tchrist Haha I would have recognised that bit without seeing the name.

tchrist

@Cerberus My boss. His boss. His boss. They were all told that my contracting company had been told that they would be paying 10% less for contractors, and it was them up to them to absorb the cost or pass it to the contractors. My management chain was all waiting for that shoe to drop, knowing that if I got stuck with a 10% cut, I’d bitch.

And then something completely different happened, and it they were all caught in the dark.

It is never supposed to happen that way either.

People are doing very very very stupid things. Again.

Cerberus

Weird.

tchrist

You. Have. No. Idea.

Everybody is freaked, outraged.

Cerberus

Those who lead large corporations but did not found them are not seldom fairly incompetent, but the corporation is too big to be destroyed by this.

As to Galadriel, I always wondered why she didn't think Sauron would have captured her, had she used the One.

tchrist

Yes.

What happened and why I can easily explain.

The surface reason is that last quarter, despite record profits and record revenues, saw a first-ever net reduction in customer count.

Cerberus

19:18

Sauron was more powerful than she, and she knew the One Ring was a conduit for his power.

tchrist

This was caused by the little guys cutting their rates to sub-marginal.

Cerberus

Ah, I see.

tchrist

Stole 3m of our customers with those "$10/month guaranteed for your first 3 months".

And those companies of course lost money.

Cerberus

Shareholders demanding blind cost reduction in the short term?

Johan Larsson

@tchrist you should learn C# now imo

tchrist

19:19

Not clear what shareholders are demanding.

@JohanLarsson I would certainly rather perish.

Johan Larsson

would be interesting to hear what you think of it

Cerberus

@tchrist More profits.

And dividenda.

tchrist

The real problem is something else.

Cerberus

Incompetence is always a problem...

tchrist

Well, yes.

Which is what has happened here.

Comcast cut a deal with Netflix for the latter to pay the former some sort of access fee.

Do you know why?

Because Netflix was “monetizing” the Comcast backbone without paying them anything for it.

And filling up their pipe.

Matt Эллен

19:22

yes, the net neutrality thing

tchrist

While cell phones tend to have data fees or caps, most other services do not.

@MattЭллен Yes, actually.

Matt Эллен

I saw a nifty vidya on it t'other day

Johan Larsson

> The world is headed towards an intellectual implosion. -- Random Internet Guy

Is headed right there?

tchrist

So what has been happening especially over the last year is that major telecoms are all suffering greatly as their networking backbones are getting boned up the yinyang without any lube by the YouTube and Netflix type operations.

@JohanLarsson Sure.

Cerberus

@tchrist I know all about it.

tchrist

19:24

Ok, so here's the thing.

Johan Larsson

good, I liked the quote didn't want to mess up the translation

Cerberus

@tchrist I can hardly believe that...

tchrist

Only a few companies are making those deals.

Matt Эллен

►

Cerberus

Customers pay for using their cable/bandwidth to access Netflix. Netflix pays its own provider for uploading its streams.

tchrist

19:25

@Cerberus 13% saturation to 36% saturation of the total backbone in the space of 12 months, with a non-linear growth curve.

Cerberus

No need for Comcast to double-charge for the same bandwidth.

tchrist

@Cerberus No, they are not paying for bandwidth.

That’s the point.

And the wholesalers have all-you-can-eat meal plans.

Cerberus

@tchrist Then they should charge their customers more.

Matt Эллен

surely they can't upload without paying for bandwidth?

Cerberus

@tchrist Sure they are.

tchrist

19:26

Sigh.

No, they are not.

North Americans almost never pay for bandwidth and data used on broadband connections.

Cerberus

If someone watches a Netflix stream, two parties are already paying for the bandwidth, right? The consumer and Netflix both have computers that use bandwidth.

tchrist

@Cerberus NO!!!

This is the whole problem.

Cerberus

@tchrist Not per GB, no, but they pay nonetheless.

tchrist

The infrastructure was built out assuming at most voice.

It cannot handle video.

Cerberus

It was Comcast's choice not to bill based on GB but a fixed rate.

tchrist

19:27

This is THE problem.

Cerberus

The problem is that Comcast made the choice to sever the link between cost and price.

tchrist

So when people were sold these fixed-rate broadband connections a few years back, all was fine. Then video hit, and everything is collapsing.

And the telecoms are desperately seeking to recover their costs.

It is very hard.

Cerberus

They should charge based on maximum bandwidth used during Internet rush hour, which I believe is the bulk of their costs.

@tchrist It is their own fault, no offence.

tchrist

@Cerberus Americans are never used to paying metered rates for some things.

Cerberus

It's what you get when you charge prices that are not based on cost.

@tchrist Neither are we. But that is the telcos' fault.

tchrist

19:29

Like local dial up connections, which were “free” no matter how much you used, the big sell of broadband was that it was a much faster pipe, and that of course the price was still fixed and not dependent on what you used.

They never imagined so many people using so much, all the time.

Cerberus

1 min ago, by Cerberus

It's what you get when you charge prices that are not based on cost.

Either way, telcos still make huge profits.

tchrist

Of course they do.

Which is why this is outrageous.

Cerberus

Indeed.

tchrist

One team of 5 developers now has only 1 because of auto-guillotining of all contractors. Can you imagine the last man standing?

Cerberus

Won't the entire project collapse?

tchrist

19:37

Probably.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist yes

admittedly I was on a smaller team, but yes

Cerberus

Then why didn't they cancel the entire project...

tchrist

Only chance is if they just had a release and will cancel all future ones, going into pure maintenance mode.

@Cerberus Because this was axe-the-contractors day. Employees get the axe come June 6th or 20th. And yes, they probably will. Or reshuffle the cards.

Cerberus

Then why even bother instructing your colleagues?

Alraxite

19:55

I think I understand what the OEM System Builder means. It always refers to the OEM disc that you can use to install the 'OEM version' of the OS on a computer. That's what big companies like HP, Dell, etc. buy from MS (the OEM) and install it (using the OEM preinstall kit) on their machines that they plan to sell. The OS that is available preinstalled on the machine that is now available to the general public is usually referred to as the OEM OS or something of that sort.

tchrist

@Cerberus Because we don’t know who will get the axe.

Alraxite

Also, the term OEM is a bit ambiguous. It can either refer to the real original equipment manufacturers (MS) or the company who bought the OEM to resell them preinstalled to their product (HP, Dell, etc).

tchrist

And most of my instruction was by way of documents and manuals.

Explaining the release process, etc.

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite it always refers to the people who build or resell the computer that the OS is installed on.

Alraxite

@MattЭллен It also refers to the Original Equipment Manufacturers from whom they bought the OS to build their computer. That's what OEM stands for.

I found a page explaining that difference.

Wait.

@MattЭллен investopedia.com/terms/o/oem.asp

Matt Эллен

20:04

@Alraxite I still won't call MS an OEM as they don't make equipment.

Alraxite

@MattЭллен Well, maybe the term OEM is ill-suited here, but in general for any hardware, the OEM can (and should) refer to the original manufacturer of the hardware.

@MattЭллен Also, then, neither are HP and Dell the OEMs of the preinstalled OS's that they ship.

The OS is the OEM part.

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite no, the OS has an OEM license, because it's being shipped by someone who makes OE, e.g. Dell, or by someone who sells computers.

Cerberus

@tchrist Ah OK, but I meant, if the project is doomed anyway. Or isn't it?

Matt Эллен

the license refers to the type of entity buying the OS, not the person selling the OS, or all version of windows would be OEM versions

Cerberus

As usual, it is commercialese.

Matt Эллен

20:13

yeah

Cerberus

It cannot be relied upon to be efficient or consistent.

skullpatrol

Hi guys :-)

Cerberus

But @Alraxite I know installation discs with OEM versions of Windows are often called just that, "OEM versions".

Hi, pally!

c c

20:32

I don't like it but it seems the slash is actually a good way to express a short list/enumeration/set with an implicit or

I'd prefer Male|Female rather than Male/Female

skullpatrol

I prefer the the slash.

The vertical bar doesn't look right alone.

Matt Эллен

skullpatrol

:D

Vertical bars look better in pairs, as in |x|; in my opinion.

RegDwigнt

20:49

meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/4792/…

Y no inline?

Matt Эллен

bugs in the software

RegDwigнt

Oh well.

Matt Эллен

they've eaten the line away

RegDwigнt

Something's fishy. Relog.

skullpatrol

termites?

Cerberus

20:51

Hello.

RegDwigнt

Meh. No change.

Matt Эллен

welcome back!

RegDwigнt

Well anyway.

Cerberus

The site is under maintenance and stuff.

RegDwigнt

Here it is:

> In many ways, this already is a poetry analysis site, except the poetry isn't Official Poetry. The best definition of poetry I ever encountered was in Chapter 111a of Even Cowgirls Get the Blues:

Cerberus

20:52

Main site still won't load for me. How about you?

@RegDwigнt A very succinct definition.

Oh fuuu why did I write "OED" there??

What rascal starred my typo?

skullpatrol

Most people see the glass as half empty pally.

RegDwigнt

I don't know what Cerberus is talking about.

skullpatrol

Get with the program.

Matt Эллен

I'm glad it's half empty, less chance I'll knock it over. I'd be sure to knock it over if it were half full.

41 mins ago, by Cerberus

But @Alraxite I know installation discs with OEM versions of Windows are often called just that, "OEM versions".

lol

very clever, Mr. Rhino

my starwall hasn't refreshed

c c

@skullpatrol but slashes have tons of other uses, divisions $\mathbb{Z}/ \mathbb{Z}$, URIs where slashes is very rarely used as an 'or'

Alraxite

20:55

First, we'll consider only hardware equipments and not OS's:
If A produces a part P that he sells to B, who then puts that part into a bigger thingy which he then sells to the public, then when people refer to the OEM of that part P, they should be referring to A.

The OS's part (well, I'm only discussing Windows) needs to be discussed separately:
Microsoft, overall, has two licensing versions in which they sell their OS's:
1. Retail: This is the one intended for consumers. It's nicely packed in a pretty box with documents and stuff. Since the OS is not being sold by MS for the intention of…

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Three different things.

Alraxite

@MattЭллен @Cerberus

Oh wait.

Original equipment manufacturer

An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM, manufactures products or components that are purchased by another company and retailed under that purchasing company's brand name.[http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/documents/pdf/glossary.pdf Dictionary of IBM and computing] official IBM site * *[http://www.economist.com/surveys/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_PVPVNGJ Moving On] The Economist, Jan 13th 2005 OEM refers to the company that originally manufactured the product. When referring to automotive parts, OEM designates a replacement part made by the manufacturer of the original part. Automotiv...

That's the definition I'm using of OEM.

skullpatrol

I think the glass is twice as large as it needs to be. @MattЭллен

Matt Эллен

lol

Cerberus

@Alraxite Okay, so "OEM System Builder" may be the technical term for the disc itself. But most people would just call that a Windows disc with "the OEM version".

Matt Эллен

20:58

@Alraxite windows is not rebranded as "Dell Windows"

Alraxite

@Cerberus Yes. They do call it that. I don't see how that contradicts what I said.

Cerberus

Either way, I would not concern myself with what are extremely infelicitous terms at best, and wholly confusing and contradictory in practice.

@Alraxite It probably doesn't!

c c

so "Y/N" is bad, it looks like division of 1 by 0

Matt Эллен

OEM, as I have said, refers to the type of licence, not to MS

Alraxite

@Cerberus You're saying you found my essay confusing?

Cerberus

21:00

@Alraxite Wait, what essay?

That was your essay?

I'm sorry, I thought you were quoting someone else.

Alraxite

5 mins ago, by Alraxite

First, we'll consider only hardware equipments and not OS's:
If A produces a part P that he sells to B, who then puts that part into a bigger thingy which he then sells to the public, then when people refer to the OEM of that part P, they should be referring to A.

The OS's part (well, I'm only discussing Windows) needs to be discussed separately:
Microsoft, overall, has two licensing versions in which they sell their OS's:
1. Retail: This is the one intended for consumers. It's nicely packed in a pretty box with documents and stuff. Since the OS is not being sold by MS for the intention of…

No.

Cerberus

Ok then I have no objections!

c c

"n/a" non-available is the worst possible abbreviation

Matt Эллен

an OEM is someone who builds computers. the OEM version of windows is called so because it is sold to them. that's all. MS are not an OEM.

Cerberus

One think I might add myself would be something like "OEM System Builder is not a term often used by those who install those discs".

Alraxite

21:02

@MattЭллен Yes. That's what MS calls their licensing. People simply call the product with this type of licensing the 'OEM version'. So..?

@MattЭллен But wiki states a definition contrary to yours!

Cerberus

Is the site still off line for you too?

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite so I don't know what your point was

skullpatrol

@cc I always thought n/a meant not applicable?

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite no it doesn't

Alraxite

"An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM, manufactures products or components that are purchased by another company and retailed under that purchasing company's brand name."

c c

21:04

!!wiki n/a

Alraxite

If MS sold XP to HP who sold that to the consumers after installing it to their machine, then MS is the OEM.

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite which Dell do not do. It is not sold as Dell Windows, or HP Windows or whatever. It's still MS Windows

c c

N/a

n/a or N/A is a common abbreviation in tables and lists for not applicable, not available or no answer. It is used to indicate when information in a certain table cell is not provided, either because it does not apply to a particular case in question or because the answer is not available. References

the most ugly and confusing abbreviation

skullpatrol

so 1/0 = n/a

Alraxite

@MattЭллен It says, "retailed under that purchasing company's brand name". That doesn't necessarily mean that they need to rename Windows to Dell Windows. Does it?

c c

21:07

the ugliest and most confusing .. should I say? or it's possible to factor by most

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite yes.

otherwise it's not under their brand name

skullpatrol

1/0 is not applicable to the definition of division.

Matt Эллен

store brand products are manufactured by other companies, not the store that sells them. They are then branded by that store.

stores also sell manufacturer branded products. these are not under the store's brand

skullpatrol

it also not available to the definition...

Alraxite

@MattЭллен Well, then you're following Wiki's definition too strictly. The general idea is that OEM refers to 'a company whose products are used as components in another company's product'.

Like here: investopedia.com/terms/o/oem.asp

But taking what Wiki says literally, I do agree with you.

skullpatrol

21:10

and has no answer

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite that says the same thing

Alraxite

But I don't think, that was their intention.

c c

@skullpatrol isn't it in $\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R} \union {-\infty, +\infty}$?

Matt Эллен

unless there is some strong relationship between Dell and MS where by Dell influence how windows is developed

which I don't think there is

skullpatrol

@cc In the set of real numbers.

Alraxite

21:11

@MattЭллен How? If HP sells XP preinstalled on their machine then XP is a MS product which is used as a component in their machine.

Matt Эллен

but there could be

Alraxite

Then MS is the OEM.

Cerberus

@Alraxite Software is not normally considered a "component" or "equipment".

Matt Эллен

> The OEM will generally work closely with the company that sells the finished product

Dell and HP do not

they are not VARs

if you want to call MS an OEM, go ahead. I simply disagree.

c c

$\cup$

skullpatrol

21:14

@cc I don't want to unite infinity to the real numbers, thank you:-)

Matt Эллен

too late. there are infinite real numbers!

Alraxite

I just think your disproof why MS isn't the OEM are just based on loopholes or ambiguities in the definition given. 'Work closely' is an ambiguous term. For me, they more or less work closely since MS provides them with their OS. But anyway, we simply disagree then.

Shahar

fight

Matt Эллен

@Shahar NO U

Shahar

you*

skullpatrol

21:15

you mean infinitely many, right?

c c

$\mathbb{R} \cup \{ -\infty, +\infty\}$

the singletons -Inf and +Inf

Shahar

Isn't $\mathbb{R}$ by definition $(-\infty, +\infty)$

Matt Эллен

@skullpatrol yes, but is pi a real number?

skullpatrol

yes

Shahar

yes pi is a real number

c c

21:17

$\mathbb{R} = ]-\infty, +\infty[$
$\overline{\mathbb{R}} = [-\infty, +\infty]$

Matt Эллен

it is infinite in length

skullpatrol

no

Matt Эллен

have you found its end?

I suppose in base pi it's 10

Shahar

no

use parentheses

since $\infty$ is not a number

skullpatrol

pi is a finite number

Matt Эллен

21:19

oh. I was told its digits go on forever

Shahar

They do

skullpatrol

they do

Shahar

he means that it's within $\mathbb{R}$

c c

@Shahar ok I believe you

skullpatrol

but the number is finite

Matt Эллен

21:19

so it is infinitley long

Shahar

It's between 3 and 4

skullpatrol

so is 1.000000000000.....=1

c c

Does the frequency of each digit in pi tend to 0.1?

skullpatrol

infinitely long^

c c

0.999... = 1

Shahar

21:20

That can be argued^

c c

@Shahar ... means limit, so that's right

Alraxite

OK. I also think that's a statement that hinges on ambiguity. I wouldn't find it odd to refer to my operating system as a 'component' of my computer. Even if 'component', by adhering to some strict definition, can't be used to refer to an OS, then I would argue that that was an unintentional mistake by the guy who
wrote the definition of OEM. He clearly meant that OEM basically means a company who provides a part to another company which they can use to make a more complete product to sell to the masses.

Shahar

Not just limit

skullpatrol

no limit

endless

1.00... =1

c c

this can be written as an infinite sum

Alraxite

21:22

Nvm. No one agrees with meh.

skullpatrol

me too

Alraxite

Boo

Shahar

@Alraxite you wrote a huge wall of text. What do you expect?

skullpatrol

tl;dr

Matt Эллен

@skullpatrol you can also be written as an infinite sum?

skullpatrol

21:25

me?

Matt Эллен

you said "me too"

skullpatrol

my sum finishes when I die

Shahar

What's the point of this chat

Matt Эллен

part of you will live on in this chat room!

skullpatrol

:D

Matt Эллен

21:26

@Shahar >The Incomprehensible Room. It slaws your typizg, too.

skullpatrol

thanks pal

Matt Эллен

no worries

Shahar

erm I mean the purpose

it says it's for ELU

but you are discussing math and shit

Matt Эллен

in English

we tend to discuss English in Latin and Greek

skullpatrol

@Shahar sorry, I'll go back to the math room

Matt Эллен

21:27

and French and Spanish

Cerberus

@Alraxite Of course different people can use different definitions. But the way I am used to seeing these terms used is that software is definitely not considered a real component of a consumer computer, and a software company is definitely not an OEM. As Matt said, the reason Windows has an OEM version is not that it is Equipment or a component, nor that Microsoft is an OEM, but only that it is sold to companies that are called OEMs, i.e. Dell and HP and Asus.

Matt Эллен

and German

and Russian

skullpatrol

!!wiki language

Matt Эллен

and sometimes even in English

Cerberus

@Alraxite I'm so sorry!

skullpatrol

21:29

!!hello

where is my gf?

Shahar

oh I'm so sorry

she's with me

btw I got her pregnant

Matt Эллен

looks like you two need to go on some kind of day time talk show where people fight

a daytime fight show?

skullpatrol

with you in my corner I can't loose

Matt Эллен

"Welcome to Generic Daytime Fight Show with your host Chud Ruddery!"

Joseph Weissman

Hello!

Matt Эллен

21:34

Applause

Shahar

wutup homie g dawg

skullpatrol

hi

the mods are coming to get me :-O

Alraxite

@Cerberus Then I guess it's only a debate, in the realm of OS's, of whether OEM means a company who sells their products to companies who in turn resell them or it means it is the company who does the reselling. I believe the correct definition should be the former but I can't pull up sources (except perhaps Wikipedia which has been dismissed) to substantiate that. So I guess, that's a disagreement we cannot resolve.

@Cerberus Well, the amazon page does call it that: amazon.com/Windows-Premium-System-Builder-Packaging/dp/…

But perhaps it is not used colloquially

skullpatrol

@Shahar Shouldn't you say you are "getting" her pregnant?

Alraxite

@Cerberus Actually ignore my paragraph.

@Cerberus It's a debate, in the realm of OS's, of whether, when people call HP and Dell OEMs, they call it so because they sell other OEM products or whether it is simply a misuse of the original definition of OEM as given by Wiki. The latter is the one I support.

That's what you meant I think

OK.

Jasper Loy

21:57

I finally managed to log in after a long time.

@matt Boo! Are you sleeping soon?

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy Were you having a problem with login earlier, too? I just managed to log in after my first attempt five hours ago. The login page wouldn't load, and the main Stack Exchange site displayed a notice stating it was "in read only mode".

Jasper Loy

@TheodoreBroda Yes, same problem.

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy It clearly hasn't affected all users, as they continued their conversations without us; maybe the problem is regional.

Jasper Loy

I have installed Linux Mint 17 on my desktop.

@TheodoreBroda Yup, the internet works in mysterious ways.

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy How many OSes have you installed over the years? It seems like you try a different Linux version every few days.

@JasperLoy "Linux Mint" sounds like a possible name for a soothing cough lozenge.

Jasper Loy

22:08

@TheodoreBroda I have installed different flavours of Linux many, many times! But I think I will try to stick to Linux Mint now, which will be out once every two years starting from now and is the easiest for beginners.

@TheodoreBroda So you are planning to go to med school?

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy Yes, but maybe I could just get a job concocting those ridiculous names for pharmaceuticals. I doubt you need any real qualifications for that.

Jasper Loy

@TheodoreBroda I think you are very smart and will go very far. I can sense it.

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy Thank you, I appreciate your compliments. I may not necessarily be academically competent, but I am definitely self-confident.

Jasper Loy

@TheodoreBroda I am going to install Linux Mint 17 on my laptop now. Bye! You can email me at pcwrjl at gmail dot com if you wanna talk.

Theodore Broda

@JasperLoy I have been disillusioned by Microsoft's latest excuse for an OS (Windows 8's lack of the basic Start button makes me long for even @Cerberus's current OS), and I am thinking about trying a Linux flavor myself, probably Ubuntu. I like that it is free, and that you can install it on a flash drive to have a portable system you can boot on any computer. I hope your Linux Mint 17 installation goes cleanly and quickly (I can't say the same for any Windows install).

c c

23:09

Windows hate, I can't even sort by date my files, well I managed to find it, but that doesn't always work on dialogs

Jez

23:56

@KitFox Please watch this YouTube vid - it's amazingly good at describing why guys feel and behave the way they do when it comes to dating. Maybe you'll stop assuming we're just selfish bastards when we feel sorry for ourselves. :-)

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I'm bookmarking that so i can rewatch it to remind myself to stop giving a shit about what women say they want

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