English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

RegDwigнt

13:00

@MattЭллен yeah we do that too, and the worst thing that happens is a website. But when those politican guys do that, suddenly the worst thing that happens is 50% of the websites disappear, and 100% of the rest is being watched 24/7.

tchrist

@MattЭллен I work with people like that, although with may be pushing it. They think the more meetings, the more gold stars they get. For me, the more meetings, the less code.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt yeah. it's crazy

@tchrist aye. meetings are a drain on resources

tchrist

Calculate the costs. Take away the chairs. Lock the potties.

Working for a global telecom just puts the n-meetings problem up in the exponent part.

RegDwigнt

Victory for Jamie Oliver in the US as McDonald's is forced to stop using 'pink slime' in its burger recipe

Holy Jesus on a stick.

People will really eat anything.

Nobody will eat a turd for a million dollars, but make it 19¢ and people will fall over their feet.

tchrist

I remember ridiculous 29¢ hamburger specials from McDonald’s.

I’d heard about his pink slime campaign for some time.

RegDwigнt

13:11

And that was a 200% premium. Others went all the way down to 9.

tchrist

Not that changed my dietary preferences.

Or orientation.

Or whatever you call it.

RegDwigнt

Dietary religion.

tchrist

L’ancien régime maintient.

@RegDwigнt Yes. And people really wonder why I loathe discussing it?

It belongs on the sex, religion, and politics list.

Mitch

@MattЭллен The rule for inclusion in the EU should be if the country has an entry in Eurovision that year. If not, they're out, government, euro, anything.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch but then the USA would enter. no, I'll not have it.

RegDwigнt

13:14

@tchrist on the Internet, everything is religion.

@MattЭллен I don't think they would. They don't think they would. You don't think they would.

Also, what's your beef with the US all of a sudden. You're part of it.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt It is not a religious position that holds that our Byzantine programmers who write code with Notepad instead of with vi or emacs should acquaint themselves with an auto-da-fé.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt if the US could exert more power over the EU just by entering a talent contest? I'm pretty sure they'd jump at the chance

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Probably the pink slime.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt we're more part of the EU than we are the USA

apart from the spying thing

tchrist

@MattЭллен We could fix that for you if you’d like.

Matt Эллен

13:17

I really wouldn't thanks :D

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I love that stuff! State fairs, pig races, cotton-candy.

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен we have a metric(!) shit ton of norms and regulations here they'd have to adopt. Over their dead bodies.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt If you will.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt nah, they're just opt out.

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен exactly, by not entering in the first place.

See the trade agreement negotiations.

Matt Эллен

13:18

the UK has metric.

Mitch

@MattЭллен Have you -seen- Eurovision lately? Kazakhstan would be in well before the US.

Matt Эллен

but see if you can find it on road signs

tchrist

@MattЭллен And miles to go before you sleep.

Mitch

@tchrist The PC term nowadays is 'Turkish'

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен still, you don't bathe your chickens in chlorine. Because the EU said, "um no dudes your insane or wut". But the US is unable to make the same sacrifice.

tchrist

13:20

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt true, true.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Billions fall to the sacrificial knife.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist ...and then into chlorine.

Mitch

@MattЭллен hmm... good idea.. our armed services do have a pretty good lock on show tunes.

tchrist

See, you can so put a hamburger on a stick!

Mitch

13:21

@MattЭллен And the native food culture.

RegDwigнt

Oh is that a burger on a stick I am looking at? I thought that was Lady Gaga again.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt wait...people wash chickens in chlorine? spits out chicken salad I thought that was extra pepper.

RegDwigнt

So anyway, Mitch is precisely right. The US would never get past the semifinals. They only have second-rate Canadian singers. Austria has bearded women.

tchrist

Será algodón de azúcar.

What Tinkerbell uses to floss her little teeny tiny tinky teeth with.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt but they'd still have entered. they don't need to win to gain entry in Mitch's EU qualifications!

RegDwigнt

13:23

@Mitch it's the propaganda de jour all over this continent. Don't know how widely publicized it is in yours.

@MattЭллен oh I see what the problem is. Britain didn't understand the rules again.

Matt Эллен

according to documentaries, talent contests are part of the US national curriculum

tchrist

Fey fair fare.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt Or was it Germany redefining what "entering the eurovision song contest" means?

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Exactly, since I am always right. All countries who should get in would get in. Israel, Ukraine, um... France? .... uh ... Malta.

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен the rules of ESC are clear and unambiguous. The US loses.

tchrist

13:26

The Ministry for Rules & Measures is always overworked and undertasked in the UK.

Mitch

@MattЭллен My imaginary castle, my rules

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt what are these so called rules then?

tchrist

Castle in the Sky

(re-titled Laputa: Castle in the Sky for re-release in the United Kingdom and Australia) is a 1986 Japanese animated adventure film written and directed by Hayao Miyazaki and is also the first film produced and released by Studio Ghibli. The film was distributed by Toei Kabushiki Kaisha. Laputa: Castle in the Sky won the Animage Anime Grand Prix in 1986. Plot In the film's backstory, human civilizations built flying cities, which were later destroyed by an unspecified catastrophe, forcing the survivors to live on the ground while the sole exception Laputa remains in the sky, concealed ...

So, la puta has herself a castle now?

Mitch

@MattЭллен I had that class. It was fun I guess. The show dresses always kind of bunch up in an uncomfortable way and are itchy. But that's European values for ya!

tchrist

@Mitch Naw, Malta’s a dud.

Mitch

13:28

@tchrist Her mother too.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch but you looked like a princess!

Mitch

@tchrist Milk dud's are better.

@MattЭллен OMG blushes

If my face could explode from blushing, it would make a mess.

tchrist

Matt Эллен

!!wiki malk

KitSox

Malky Mackay

Malcolm George "Malky" Mackay (born 19 February 1972) is a Scottish football manager and former player, who played as a defender. Mackay began his playing career in Scottish football, with Queen's Park and Celtic. He joined English side Norwich City in 1998, remaining there for six years. Between 2003 and 2006, he achieved consecutive promotions to the Premier League with Norwich, West Ham United and finally Watford. He played for Watford in the Premier League, and after retiring as a player in 2008, reached the position of full-time manager in June 2009. He was manager of Cardiff City b...

Matt Эллен

13:32

not what I was expecting

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен good. These so called rules are then good.

Matt Эллен

:D

Mitch

@terdon I'm at 2^20. In an hour I'll be at 2^21. my mouse-finger is starting to get tired.

terdon

@Mitch Hah! I stopped after a while. You can put it on auto and it still takes days :)

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

terdon

13:43

Geek bait.

RegDwigнt

I got to 4096 by playing piano on the keyboard, then did the math and gave up.

Mitch

@terdon I'm just going to do it in my head.

It's going slower now.

terdon

94906265.6242516^2 ?

The things we waste our time on...

Mitch

@terdon 9007199254741000.94223826010256 ?

terdon

Wow! You did that in your head? You're good :P

Mitch

13:47

Check it.

I'm pretty confident about the last digit.

terdon

The ?

Ah, digit, right.

Mitch

Exactly.

@terdon It's fun...it looks like things will fall apart about 2/3 in, just not enough room after that to make progress (not enough room to find dupes easy to collapse).

terdon

I forced myself to stop. Too addictive.

Mitch

Did you check my math?

terdon

Heh, no, I'll take your word for it. Especially that last digit.

Matt Эллен

13:56

!!>Math.pow(94906265.6242516, 2)

KitSox

@MattЭллен 9007199254741002

Awal Garg

!!tell Hello

KitSox

@AwalGarg Invalid /tell arguments. Use /help for usage info

Awal Garg

!!tell 'hello'

Matt Эллен

tell doesn't work like that

Awal Garg

13:58

@MattЭллен how then?

Matt Эллен

!!tell AwalGarg listcommands

KitSox

@AwalGarg help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, lego, legopart, nuke, nsa, nano, wordwar, listcommands, tell, afk, awsm, ban, unban, color, convert, define, doge, domain, findcommand, github, google, hang, inhistory, jquery, learn, keister, t, greet, tr, ping, live, die, mdn, meme, mustache, norris, nudge, parse, spec, stat, stats, summon, unsummon, timer, todo, undo, urban, user, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd, youtube, zalgo (page 0/0)

Matt Эллен

!!tell AwalGarg help tell

KitSox

@AwalGarg tell: Redirect command result to user/message. /tell msg_id|usr_name cmdName [cmdArgs]

Awal Garg

@MattЭллен Can i tell it plainly echo something without referencing to me or somebody else...

Matt Эллен

13:59

no

well, maybe

Awal Garg

!!> for(var i=1; i<10; i++){console.log(i);}

KitSox

@AwalGarg "undefined" Logged: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

Awal Garg

!!> for(var i=10; i>10; i++){console.log(i);}

KitSox

@AwalGarg "undefined"

Matt Эллен

!!tell AwalGarg eval "hello"

KitSox

14:01

@MattЭллен Command eval('"hello"') does not exist.

@AwalGarg "hello"

Awal Garg

!!> for(var i=10; i>1; i++){console.log(i);}

KitSox

@AwalGarg Maximum execution time exceeded

Awal Garg

@MattЭллен Is there a sandbox where this bot exists and I can play without considering spamming..?

Matt Эллен

is it in the sandbox?

Awal Garg

@MattЭллен no, he is not present there..

Matt Эллен

14:02

!!summon 1

KitSox

@MattЭллен Registered; need 0 more to execute

Awal Garg

@MattЭллен what did that do?

Matt Эллен

@AwalGarg try typing !!summon 1 in here

Awal Garg

!!summon 1

great.. he is there now.. thnx @MattЭллен

Matt Эллен

no worries

!!wiki fishpots

KitSox

14:04

@MattЭллен The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing

Awal Garg

@KitSox Why are you not responding in sandbox?

Matt Эллен

!!summon 14515

KitSox

@MattЭллен Already registered; still need 0 more

Matt Эллен

type in
!!summon 14515

KitSox

@MattЭллен Already registered; still need 0 more

Awal Garg

14:08

!!summon 14515

RegDwigнt

@KitSox so @Mitch was off by over 1?

Matt Эллен

14:23

compared to infinity, that almost over 9000

Mitch

@KitSox hm.. I used calc on windows. something is wrong with rounding on either windows or on the chatbot.

@RegDwigнt and less than 2

Matt Эллен

@Mitch maybe there are two answers

@Mitch the bot's answer is down to Firefox's implementation of javascript

I believe

Mitch

@MattЭллен Oh. javascript.

...and I meant that to sting.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch oh. windows calc

Mitch

oh. math.

any lamer can use that.

Matt Эллен

14:26

oh, mathy! you came and you squared without taking

now we've got rounding errors

oh, mathy!

Mitch

Hey mathy, do you have a sister?

One that's a little more stable?

Matt Эллен

excel agrees with javascript

Mitch

display more digits

in B1

Matt Эллен

ugh

I'll have to do it again

Mitch

with format

of that cell

Matt Эллен

14:35

yes yes

terdon

$ perl -le 'print 94906265.6242516 * 94906265.6242516'
9.007199254741e+15

Mitch

huh

terdon

$ awk 'BEGIN{print 94906265.6242516 * 94906265.6242516}'
9007199254741002

Matt Эллен

different number, again!

terdon

$ echo "94906265.6242516 * 94906265.6242516" | bc
9007199254741000.9422380

Mitch

14:39

omg. should the last digit be 6?

Matt Эллен

and again!

terdon

Hmm, I'm guessing there's some rounding going on somewhere but I'm not sure where.

Matt Эллен

oh! so awk agrees with javascript. excel is a different number altogether

terdon

Here comes C:

9007198717870080.000000

void main(){
  float f=94906265.6242516;
      printf("AA %f\n",f*f);

}

Mitch

Aren't those obviously wrong?

terdon

14:43

I'm sure to be doing something stupid in the C one. I don't really know C.

Mitch

try double

terdon

@MattЭллен Wouldn't trust Excel as far as I could throw it.

@Mitch Can't, needs float for the decimal doesn't it?

Matt Эллен

true. it does have bugs built in for compatibility

Mitch

?? double is a double worded float.

terdon

void main(){
  double f=94906265.6242516;
      printf("94906265.6242516*94906265.6242516 = %d\n",f*f);

}

94906265.6242516*94906265.6242516 = -372449864

scratch that, idiot printf

94906265.6242516*94906265.6242516 = 9007199254741002.000000

Matt Эллен

14:45

agrees with awk

terdon

Phew

Matt Эллен

9007199254741002
9007199254741002

9007199254741002

terdon

At least it's consistent:

$ ./aa
94906265.624252*94906265.624252 = 9007199254741002.000000
9007199254741002.000000/94906265.624252 = 94906265.624252

Matt Эллен

that's good

oh, it's rounded the 16 to a 2

Matt Эллен

15:14

@Mitch it should end in a 6

username901345

0

Q: Is the article in "they will be possessed of a place" grammatical?

Those who believe and do good will be possessed of a place most beautiful in Paradise, receiving a great reward. Isn't this a grammatical error? Since this is a superlative sentence, a should be "the" If not, why not?

Why not "the?" here

terdon

@username901345 Those who believe and do good will be awarded a most beautiful place in Paradise.

username901345

so it means a very beautiful place?

terdon?

terdon

It is not the most beautiful place but a place that is beautiful.

Yes

username901345

i see, but it is so unnatraul,..the meaning

terdon

15:21

There is a difference between the most and a most.

username901345

you would normally expect superlative

in this context

terdon

Not necessarily, no.

> adv. In or to the highest degree or extent. Used with many adjectives and adverbs to form the superlative degree: most honest; most impatiently.
adv. Very: a most impressive piece of writing.

username901345

if I wanna use superlative.

terdon

Then you need the.

username901345

"this is the place most beautiful in the world?"

terdon

15:23

No, "this is the most beautiful place in the world."

or (clumsy) this is the place that is the most beautiful in the world.

username901345

but you say,"the place dearest to my heart"

terdon

Yes, how is that relevant? Most has multiple meanings. In the example you quoted it is being used in the sense that I mentioned above:

2 mins ago, by terdon

> adv. In or to the highest degree or extent. Used with many adjectives and adverbs to form the superlative degree: most honest; most impatiently.
adv. Very: a most impressive piece of writing.

username901345

?

the reasoning is the same

terdon

wordnik.com/words/most

username901345

the superlative

terdon

15:25

It's not a superlative here. That's what I'm saying.

most != the most.

I was most grateful = I was very grateful.

username901345

I am sorry but even native speakers say yes

The tide was up, and the place most beautiful.

terdon

I was the most grateful = nobody was more grateful than I.

username901345

Cardale Babington

terdon

@username901345 Huh?

username901345

google it

terdon

15:26

Again, that means that the place was beautiful, not the most beautiful.

And I am a native speaker.

This is also the case in other languages. What's your native one?

user116900

@MattЭллен I watched The Amazing Spider-man 2 today, very nice, but also sad, since his girlfriend died.

terdon

For example in Spanish: lo mas guapo and que cosa mas guapa are not the same thing.

@JasperLoy OY! Spoilers!

Same in French: le plus beau and c'est plus beau for example.

Matt Эллен

15:46

@Mitch 9007199252742000.94223806010256

I'd send a photo, so you can check my working, but I don't have a camera connect to the computer

user116900

Where is Kit?

Matt Эллен

9007199252741000.94223806010256 sorry

carried too many 1s

windows calc is more accurate than excel or any IEEE double precision conformant programming language

user116900

@MattЭллен That shows how bad the latter is, lol.

Matt Эллен

indeed!

Mitch

16:06

@MattЭллен That's what I got with windows calc which has a bajillion significant digits.

Matt Эллен

9007199252741000.94223806010256
9007199254741000.94223826010256

I differ with windows calc

Mitch

ha ha...I changed that one digit.

Matt Эллен

I'm the one on top

user116900

@Mitch A low rep user did a stupid edit on Math and then a high rep user did the same. Both changed the meaning of the question. In the end I deleted my answer, lol.

Matt Эллен

I don't quite get where I went wrong

anyway. I have to go

user116900

16:12

@MattЭллен See you at home.

user116900

@MattЭллен I also prefer to be on top, lol.

user116900

16:27

@aediaλ Have you had coffee?

Cerberus

@terdon I love it!

aedia λ

@JasperLoy Funny you say that right as I'm pouring more of it down my gullet :)

How goes it, everyone?

user116900

Haha, someone I hate likes to say "How goes it?" too!

aedia λ

It's superb weather here and that's making my day. Sunny, not too hot, not too cold... I'd take this year round.

@JasperLoy I hope you don't hate them just for that!

Funny though, how if someone irritates you you start to notice and be annoyed by little mannerisms that might not bug you in someone else.

its_me

Hi, can somebody please tell me if I framed this sentence correctly? Required documents for inter-state travel by private vehicle (e.g. car) in India. It's a headline.

Please feel free to suggest improvements if any.

user116900

16:41

@its_me It looks good.

its_me

@JasperLoy Aha, ok. Thank you!

user116900

@its_me That would be 1000 USD, lol.

its_me

Sure, here you go... $1000

:)

terdon

@Cerberus Ah, The Devil's Dictionary, can't beat it!

> PIANO, n. A parlor utensil for subduing the impenitent visitor. It is operated by depressing the keys of the machine and the spirits of the audience.

> POLITICS, n. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.

> PAINTING, n. The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather and exposing them to the critic.

I love that one.

Cerberus

16:56

Haha all three great!

user116900

@Cerberus Like your three heads

terdon

@Cerberus Knock yourself out: thedevilsdictionary.com

user116900

@MattЭллен Welcome home, lol

Matt Эллен

that's my working @Mitch

can anyone see my mistake?

the mistake in my working. I know where the mistake in my answer is

@JasperLoy thanks

aedia λ

@MattЭллен Using a pen?

Alraxite

17:09

@MattЭллен What is that?

user116900

@MattЭллен Geezis, are you John Nash in A Beautiful Mind?

aedia λ

@terdon Oh man. This is fabulous. I need to stop reading it before it eats my whole afternoon.

Matt Эллен

it took me an hour, so probably not :D

terdon

@aediaλ It's a brilliant little book :)

Cynical bastard.

Alraxite

@MattЭллен Why are you multiplying 949062656242516 by itself?

terdon

17:12

@MattЭллен lol. I didn't even try :)

As far as I can tell your only mistake was spending an hour doing that :P

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite well, terdon asked a question, and Mitch calculated an answer with windows calc. I calculated the answer with javascript and got a different answer. Then I calculated it with excel and got a different answer still. Then terdon did some more calculations with other programming languages and they agreed with javascript. I wanted to see what answer I would get by hand and it almost agrees with windows calc, but it's different by 2 ten millionths and I can't see why

user116900

Have you tried multiplying 12345679 by 9?

user116900

The answer is quite fascinating, lol.

Matt Эллен

!!> 123456789 * 9

KitSox

@MattЭллен 1111111101

user116900

17:14

@MattЭллен You got my question wrong.

Matt Эллен

oh well

!!> 12345679 * 9

KitSox

@MattЭллен 111111111

user116900

Hehe.

Alraxite

@MattЭллен Um, OK.

You could try WolframAlpha.

It'll probably be correct.

Matt Эллен

I could, but that'd be relying on a computer still

Alraxite

17:16

9.00719925474100094223806010256 × 10^29

Matt Эллен

so it agrees with me!

Alraxite

Seems unlikely that a computer would get it wrong though.

Most likely rounding errors is what you guys were dealing with.

Matt Эллен

besides, it was 94906265.6242516

terdon

That much we know :)

Matt Эллен

so windows calc has rounding errors too, according to wolfram alpha

terdon

17:19

I'm inclined to trust the C one.

Matt Эллен

I'm not

it clearly has a rounding error

and is the same as the javascript and the awk one

terdon

Yes, it does.

Alraxite

Well, my windows calculator seems to agree with alpha.

terdon

Awk is written in C so it's the same issue.

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite can you show the answer, because that would be surprising

Alraxite

17:21

I'm using it in Scientific Mode, btw.

The Standard one probably can't hold 30 digits.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Windows Calculator used to just use regular FP math, but for Vista or 7 it was rewritten so that people would stop mocking its rounding errors.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 shame they couldn't do the same for excel :D

Alraxite

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен That's probably too dangerous. It'd upset every existing spreadsheet in the world and suddenly financial models would diverge and the economy would collapse.

Matt Эллен

@Alraxite and if you square 94906265.6242516

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:24

Plus, it's a different team at MS :)

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 aye, I expect so :D

terdon

Actually, the best would probably be the bc one: 9007199254741000.9422380

$ echo "94906265.6242516 * 94906265.6242516" | bc
9007199254741000.9422380

Matt Эллен

yes

that is most accurate

terdon

That's a command line calculator so it's really made for this sort of thing.

Alraxite

Matt Эллен

17:25

wow

ok

terdon

Wow indeed!

Alraxite

Are we wowing at my picture?

Matt Эллен

I used the same programme in the same mode and got a slightly different answer

@Alraxite I was

Alraxite

Hmm.

Matt Эллен

but I can't test it at home, because I'm on linux

terdon

17:26

$ echo "94906265.624251600000000000000 * 94906265.6242516000000000000000000" | bc
9007199254741000.9422380601025600000000000

@MattЭллен So am I, use bc ^^

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен I get the same answer. What version + architecture of windows were you using?

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 whatever the latest win 7 is

maybe I misremember

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

32 or 64 bit?

Matt Эллен

64 bit

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm, same as me.

Intel or AMD processor?

Matt Эллен

17:28

i7

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm.

Matt Эллен

second gen, I think

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

did you make a typo?

Alraxite

I don't think he knows that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

what? of course he keeps an itemized list of past typos in his head

Matt Эллен

17:30

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

doesn't everyone?

user116900

The spammer is back, lol.

Matt Эллен

@terdon bc isn't windows calc :p

terdon

Nope, but works at least as well :)

user116900

17:50

The love spammer is persistent, lol.

user116900

Haha, so much spam, lol.

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